stealing maps, xplay, cybershoke, cs2kz, and more (Counter-Strike 2) 

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and they dont even steal the more visually appealing maps...

I'm sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied about the freelance work i did, currently i am not porting anything, so you can relaxe and maybe start work on new and innovative projects that fit the cs2 standard. That is at least what i plan on doing instead of regurgitating 10 year old content.

thank you, gotta try to end this before people get a bad first impression of KZ 🙏

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i hope they can sort things out and do things better. We are all working towards a common goal - making KZ more popular and better

they probably have different ideas in mind such as finding more players to earn money... just regular business (which i respect), but it just couldve been done differentlt

that wouldnt surprise me either

i wouldnt blame thour... or maybe you can bc they didnt do research before accpeting 🤔

at least you can get it over in like 1 min bc of the skip ☠️

looks like they give players the chance to receive drops (skins) when they complete daily challenges, which can comprise of stuff like - complete X map in KZ. You can buy their premium to earn more drops and stuff I guess what they get out of it is eyeballs on their sponsors?? I dont know how else they would make money. I guess that getting in KZ early woud mean having the exclusivity and the potential to build a small but strong player base

oh yea ive seen a guy say something along "damn im the only one gambling as part of an xplay challenge/quest" (on the gambling site chat)... so they are in a way bringing new people to the gambling website

cybershoke is the biggest cs project in russia so im sure they do make money

they somehow didnt see what happened with cybershoke

even with permission, porting maps like this is criminal

i think what you said is fair. Plenty of maps take assets from each other and one could say it's similar to "fair use", which i think is cool however, these maps are 1:1 ports that were very poorly made. The mapper was not even credited properly in some of them. Added to that, many, if not all of those maps were dmca'ed at some point but they somehow managed to fight all of them (idk if putting the maps as unlisted can do that)

@@ReDMooNTVV I'm curious to see if any of the original mappers have responded to this. I didn't stop to read all of the Discord messages you screenshotted, but my impression was that this was a visceral reaction from the community on behalf of the mappers. As someone with 5k hours in hammer, having made maps and managed servers, myself, and the mappers I worked with seemed to feel that publishing your map was the same as releasing it to the aether, any time it was seen on another server or reworked in some way, that was a good thing, more people got to enjoy it or felt inspired by it. If someone really wanted credit, it was up to them to add that to their map itself. Likewise, whenever something on our servers was broken or we deemed that it should be reworked in some way, we did just that and slapped it back on the server. I think maybe this paradigm is a result of how servers on CS:GO worked: maps were hosted directly by servers, so there's nothing you could do but mald if your map or some bastardized version was hosted by someone else. Now maps must be published to the workshop - which I suppose some could see as an attempt to take credit, despite it's necessity to CS2. I don't feel particularly strongly either way about this, but it is interesting to see this seeming perspective shift, definitely caught me off guard.

i am not aware of any mappers reaching out to xplay personally (most of them are not active). However, had they ported maps from more active members (such as spider1), there would've probably been private messages exchanged between them. This exact scenario happened when cybershoke did it i understand where you're coming from though, but keep in mind that most of the people commenting on discord had the cybershoke precedent in mind, including me

also i dont believe in "if someone wants credit, they should put that in the map". If i am porting a map that is not mine, i will make sure that i try to do a good job and preserve the author's intentions/visuals/gameplay and say that it was made by them. If we go by the quote, then anyone could just yoink any map that doesnt have the name of the author in it. I am mostly saying what i personally think here. I guess to each their own

i also forgot to mention that this is in the context of KZ. In csgo kz, maps that were approved for competitive play depended on the workshop. Vital information such as map size all depended on the workshop page of a map. There were rules prohibiting map makers from making any changes to the .bsp after approval

Let him cook 🍳