How does sign stealing happen? How can pitchers and catchers prevent it? Dave Valle and Eric Byrnes break down the communication between pitcher and catcher, hitter and baserunner.
I can't even find this dude's stats anywhere... let's just go with: it's safe to say that he has been retired for a while so even when he was playing 5, 10+ years ago, sign "stealing" was prevalent enough that catchers and pitchers were clearly trying to make it tougher for the other team to steal signs. If an opponent is figuring out your signs then you have a weak pitcher and weak catcher. What the Astros are doing is nothing new
Not so much coincidence as it is the algorithm at work. This IS the biggest scandal in modern Baseball after all and people whom don't have a pre existing understanding of sign stealing want to know now the old methods, just to validate how fucked this new method really is.
I love how they have the mock field in studio complete with a dugout and a bullpen to be able to give more context to the things they are explaining. I wish NFL Network would also do something like this to explain X's and O's and techniques and whatnot with former players.
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Can I just speak for everyone and say how much I just love this set! I remember seeing Jim Thome swat ball after ball over the 410 sign over there and the night the Astros won 2017 ALCS Game 5 over the Yankees on a Carlos Correa walk off hit and Eric Byrnes was so hyped he threw his iPhone on the floor and slid into second base in his dress clothes.
A lot of videos on here either don't explain the topic well or at all. This video actually did a really good job of breaking it down and showing the different ways in which players on both teams deal with this stuff.
They even steal signs in little league. But smart coaches have a system that is almost impossible to crack.The Catcher has to wear a cahrt on his wrist.But I have seen it used and it is brillant.Thank you MB Network for putting these vidoes out.
The game in the game was some of the funnest parts of the game. The advantages are hillariously low because good luck hittin it but it really got in pitchers heads. Watching the paranoia. The strategies to combat it. Some of the best baseball Ive ever seen had that game inside the game and Ive seen the best.
You should upload highlights of intentional talk and mlb tonight on this youtube channel , I would watch all the time , you can also upload 3 minute videos of the guys discussing trade rumors or free agent signs or even high lights of hot stove , I think alot of people would watch, plus the other mlb tonight youtube channel only has like 3k subs so alot of people aren't watching them , but this youtube channel is a good platform to premote baseball and to keep fans entertained
This is why catchers hit in the last order who aren't great at hitting but good on defense. Molina and Pudge who were great in both hitting and defense tends to hit 3rd or 4th and maybe 5th.
Personally, I consider traditional sign-stealing - like it shown here - as an interesting part of the game. But it's tough to not interpret this topic in the trashcan context. I hope that traditional sign stealing will remain, but any artificially helped methods will be completely prevented.
You must not watch mlb network. He's had it for over a year now I think. It was weird when he got it, but I'm used to it now. I think it suits him, tbh.
A good system is the first sign indicates which of the next series of signs is the pitch, example: 1 2 2 1 3 is a curve ball. 3 1 2 1 3 is a fastball and so on. I had a dummy catcher once who couldn't do anything more complicated than give 3 signs. Once he through down 1 1 1. I literally rolled my head back in disbelief. If a catcher calls a good game and can block balls I don't care if he has a rag arm or not.
Every team is doing things you can't imagine to try and win. Either you make a rule where all sign stealing is illegal or you allow it. Since making a rule like that isn't possibly enforceable then you need to come up with a way for signs not to be visible or heard. Regardless of knowing what pitch is coming you still have to be able to hit it. Just because you know in the realm of what's coming doesn't mean you are guaranteed a homerun or a good base hit.
There's pitch signaling & sign stealing for advantage when teams are careless... always part of the game.... then there's using sophisticated tech & cameras which is indefensible!
elc...not so...aren't you familiar with the saying: "All is fair in love and war". If baseball including MLB is sooooo stupid to believe that catchers giving their pitchers signs the way they do now is a most secure and time tested way to do this, or at least to insure that the battery is on the same page pitch to pitch, then it deserves to be embroiled in controversies like this. Certainly in this high tech age that we live in, there are more secure ways to give signs...but, I'm not going to tell them. Let those geniuses figure it out for themselves!
@@JustMeELC they do have a point though. Similar to how in the NFL sign stealing is a thing so coaches switch it up is what Baseball has also been doing. The NFL realized that switching it up isn’t enough because there’s only so much you can do this is even more true with baseball. The NFL addressed this by adding a mic in the QB’s helmet. The MLB could also do this by adding a mic to the pitcher and catcher just like how the umps wear a mic. This would stop sign stealing and also add great insight into the game.
The problem was the use of electronics. Sign stealing has always been a part of baseball. Willie Mays was a master at it, but he did it with his knowledge & baseball IQ.
wow. ,moving forward im going to look at alllll the games different now. When catchers walk to mound, how batters keep fouling off. How ppl steal second just to steal signs, And how the opposite team changes when that happens
One thing is a team mate telling his guy on the plate, it's totally another thing when coaches is using trash cans or other stuff to tell the batter what's coming.
If you steal a sign from second your going to get thrown at your head when you come up to bat. Baseball unwritten rule. Pete Rose said he did not want to know what was coming because what if your wrong.
You need practice. It's like two doctors speaking about a surgical procedure, it would sound like a different language to us, but after 8 years of medical school you'd be rattling off the same words you once thought strange...just like the minor leagues, that's where they learn it. By the time they're in the bigs they're all pros.
This is coming from someone who does not understand Baseball - if plays are being opening broadcast, how can it be considered stealing, if the opposition is paying attention and communicating the broadcasts with teammates?
Plipo Gamez using electronic equipment to decipher signals is forbidden. Also in the Astros instance, they used an outfield camera to monitor other teams, which the road team would not have the luxury of doing
Dude, this thing is something out of this world. I lost him while still he was explaining the sequences. That is more cold war era stuff than anything i have ever seen. I can't figure it out knowing whats up, and the technology figured it out within 5 pitches. This is nasa teritory What happens if i have a genuine itch and gotta scratch myself, i wonder..
playing high school ball, only ran into 1 catcher who would mix his signs with a runner on 2nd. None of the others did, and if I was on 2nd, I was calling out the pitch to the batter.
Hinch should be banned for life, also cora and beltran doesnt matter that they are on other team, is to make an example and for preventing that it happen again.
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Shirlee teams have been stealing signs for year and years even when I was playing. Today with modern technology it so easy to steal signs. Its not cheating. Its part of the game of baseball!!
The oldest recorded instance of a team attempting to steal signs dates back to 1876, when the Hartford Dark Blues hid a person in a shack to tip off their hitters when the pitcher would throw a curveball.[1] In 1897, George Stallings, the manager of the Philadelphia Phillies, had Morgan Murphy, a backup catcher, hide in a clubhouse beyond center field with a binocular and a telegraph that he used to alert Stallings to what pitch the opposing catcher was calling.[11] In 1900, Pearce Chiles, a coach for the Phillies, was caught standing on a box with electric wires that relayed to him coded messages about what pitch was coming, which he relayed to the batters by stomping on the ground.[12] Del Baker, Joey Amalfitano, and Joe Nossek were considered to be among baseball's best sign stealers.
Just robots out there now, all the skills like this, the mental games are all being taken away by pitch coms, analytics, and the fear of getting thrown out for pitching up and in, ect. Basically taking all the things that make it baseball out for the game. All so they can add the flair and flash, of flipping bats and Poppin shirts. They did it to basketball and football. They been wanting to do it to baseball. They are getting that wish. Like all great things it most come to a end, be more generic. Make it more like all other sports that the things that make something unique and trash it.
Can't these guys just wear normal clothes? It's so stupid that they have to wear a jacket and tie, then come out from behind the desk to see their pants don't match and they are wearing sneakers.
boring! In the '75 WS Johnny Bench is on 2nd base and you hear Tony Kubek (announcer) say how Fisk should change up his signs because Bench might steal them. Sign stealing is boring...
