It's genuinely impressive that these teams can be in the same building, be employed with less then 400 other people, and still hardly be able to say a word towards each other
CS2 not being verified while CSGO was pains me. It was awesome to play death match in bed since GO had native Steam Deck controller support. It's been more than a year and they're still missing this feature the old game had.
@@KianFloppasteam deck is utterly incredible right now. Yeah it can improve but acting like it’s anything less than great for everyone that’s not a “hardcore” gamer is disingenuous
I was really surprised when I saw that CS2 wasn't Steam Deck Verified. You would think that Valve would make sure all of their flagship games and especially new games would be developed with the Steam Deck in mind.
@@pinguiniv precision was a huge reason as to why they stopped developing the console ports, barely had any player base and I don't blame most for uninstalling it after playing a few rounds at best.
I think they should've made CS2 and CS:GO two standalone games, I have no idea why they decided to replace one with the other. Even the game's folder name in steamapps/common is still csgo.
separating csgo with cs2 would immediately kill cs2, why you ask? the gambling inventory of weapons skins, people will not play cs2 because they already have huge investments in csgo (in real life money investment)
@@Deniil2000 that's because CS2 is CSGO, just on source 2. You know? The engine upgrade people wanted specifically for CSGO for a decade before it happened.
@@Deniil2000 oh trust me if it was as easy like you said, Valve already implementing this idea without replacing csgo in favour of all inventory in CS2
CS2's Vulkan renderer still has an insane VRAM leak in it. Anything below 8GB VRAM is affected, it seems. It's been there since launch and there are no signs of Valve fixing it any time soon
As someone who plays CS2 *exclusively* on the Steam Deck, I can attest that the experience is not great but it didn't stop me clocking up 100s of hours since the game's launch, which made me unable to play CS on my laptop. It goes without saying that I suffer from a serious skill issue which isn't helped by the fact that I have to try and hit headshots on a 7 inch screen lol. Nevertheless, I'm grateful for being able to play my favorite online multiplayer game at a playable frame rate, even if I might never make it out of silver :')
Please never play any sort of competitive/premier mode because why would you anyways. You will just ruin experience for yourself and for others. People in cs nowadays rarely understand how important competitive modes are... Silvers and lower just play it because they "dont care about rank"?? Well just dont play it at all you have casual modes too dawg...
@@danilojonic nah I take the game seriously and usually place 3rd out of my team in the scoreboard, but communication is very difficult in EU servers and teammates are often the problem. Also please cut me some slack, I’m a broke teenager who can’t find a job, working with what I have here 🥲
Hang on. Is Deathmatch not meant to be who can get the most deaths? Have I been playing wrong this whole time!? Next you're gonna tell me the goal of Minesweeper isn't to click on a mine the quickest.
@@kvdrr the entire point of the steam deck is making Linux easy to use for gaming, no one, under any circumstances, should have to know what gamescope is, nor how to use it, to play games right, as someone who loves gamescope, it should be entirely, entirely, optional to use it and still get a near identical to windows experience
- I'm surprised you didn't mention the OLED models (which have replaced the mid and high range variations) having 90hz screens and (slightly) better performance - Driving the APU higher than 15W by adding a "turbo" mode post-hoc is harder said than done. Devices that advertise boost speed are just choosing when _not_ to artificially lower their TDPs. 15W is a pretty hard ceiling by design. You can adjust the PPT limits if you really know what you're doing but at a certain point thermals will be an issue, on mains or not. - I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the community control schemes. It's a shame Valve doesn't provide a decent one by default. But it would be good to bring up the community provided ones for anyone interested (who is likely to stumble across this video). It's also a good opportunity to mention the benefits of touchpad+gyro for aiming precision that really excels past what a joystick can accomplish. - It would've been helpful to test this out on linux on a powerful desktop. This would narrow down what's Deck specific and what's to do with the platform. Steam Deck's OS is very much a normal linux software stack that you'd find in any distro except it boots right into big picture mode. Installing linux and Steam games doesn't take any command line experience. You basically load up something like "Kubuntu" (24.04 is the latest) or "Fedora KDE" using a decent AMD card, update your system, install Steam from the store (Discover), and you now have what amounts to a beastly Steam Deck. - Some of the external screen issues should hopefully improve a _lot_ when the Deck updates to KDE 6.1+ and Gamescope no longer has to pipe frames through X compatibility. (more of my thoughts in the replies)
- Tools like OBS work fine on linux. That should capture the performance overlay. The overlay is just a tool called MangoHUD. That's just a linux tool you install for anything vulkan. There's surprisingly little about the steam deck that is deck-specific. The experience of using a steam deck very much mirrors what it's like playing Steam games on linux in general. - I can say from personal experience some of the issues you were facing had to do with the Linux version of the game. To show this it'd also be interesting to see what happens if you run it using Proton. First make sure that it's available for all titles (Steam Settings > Compatibility > Enable for all other titles), then enable it for CS2 (Properties > Compatibility > Force compatibility). There's also experimental Proton fixes you can try.
- It wasn't very clear in this video that the bug with the wobbly model view was fixed a few months back. I'm seeing lots of people assume that's the present state of the game (it's definitely not). - I think it also would've been interesting to compare the experience with other first-party titles, like HL2/Portal 2/Dota 2 and that game that shall not be named. It helps show how much worse the experience for CS2 is than typical, and that it isn't representative of the linux gaming experience.
@@damianabregba7476 I mentioned, but I wouldn't consider it something your average peecee gaymer should do (which I'd consider the target audience for the deck). People with just enough knowledge to be dangerous ;)
@@MirandaStreeter VAC does not work in WINE/Proton since ~2013, so you can't play online with it. CS2's native Linux version is still very stuttery even on top-end hardware in my experience, which is an issue the Proton verison does not have (I recall running the limited test this way last year).
For everyone who claims the experience on Linux is bad: since over 6 months I am playing all my games exclusively on Linux. I have 500hrs+ on CS2 and the overall experience is GREAT. I play on a 5800X3D with an RX7800XT on 1440p and use Ubuntu as my main OS. Getting 250-400 fps no upscaling. There was an issue with the weapons bobbing extremely. It was updated in about week? Also, there's another bug going on now, but I am sure it will be fixed in the next update. But those two are the only negative encounters I had with CS2 on Linux.
Yes, people are overblowing it a bit. The linux version does perform worse though, that is true, but if you've got a powerful system then you might compromise and lose some FPS depending on what monitor you have. Not everybody has a 240hz monitor. Other than that, it runs mostly like on Windows (not talking about performance).
I believe many of the issues you are feeling are due to the Linux build of the game rather than the Deck. I get half the FPS and a completely unplayable and buggy experience on my gaming PC when running on Linux vs Windows
For example, the view model bugging out like it was in some of the clips is a bug that was introduced a few months ago and was still there the last time I gave it a try (which admittedly was long ago)
@@Retalak the viewmodel bugging was fixed at the end of May. No idea about the performance problems, seems to be inconsistent about who it affects and it's never affected me. The section where philip was unable to get the game to switch to a larger monitor was painfully familiar though, i don't understand how the entire linux graphics stack can be so bad at that.
The performance on my PC (i5-12600K, RX6600) is atrocious on Linux compared to windows. Both OSes achieve pretty high framerates (steady 165fps), but the frame times often reach 40ms on Linux and like 20ms on windows, which is bad either way.
Yea, it shocks me at this point Valve even bothers with Linux builds and doesn't just allow VAC to be used through proton (like EAC or Battleye) I mean how is Valve meant to spark confidence in anti cheat devs to allow proton through if Valve themselves doesn't even allow it
The Linux build of cs2 is an absolute joke. Other valve games that have native Linux versions are alright (even the one that doesn’t exist) but cs2 is just built different.
Been watching you since at least 2020. You really have a perfect niche. I love your content and streaming personality and will never stop supporting your content. Thanks man.
Honestly i feel like part of the issue of performance isnt the steam decks fault but rather the linux port of CS2. I run ubuntu mate, my system is out dated but should be able to run CS2 at 1280x720 low preset at over 60fps (i7 6700k, 16gb ram, 1050ti) but the game runs so rough it is unplayable, similar to how you described in the video.
It's not necessarily their Linux port, but their Vulkan implementation. You have the option to play both the DX11 (default on Windows) and the Vulkan version on Windows. Linux only has the Vulkan version. The Vulkan version on Windows has basically the same problems as the Linux version.
@@moister3727 The Steam Deck has an AMD APU. NVIDIA definetly has some problems, some ethical and some technical. Some games with both GNU/Linux and Windows builds run better with the Windows on Linux. A lot of developers don't know how to optimize Vulkan compared to Direct3D. Why don't developers just use Vulkan? It runs natively on Windows and on GNU/Linux.
@@matei9k My guess is that d3d runs at a deeper level than Vulkan, while both still being low-level APIs. And because Windows has more market-share anyways, they believe Proton and Wine will solve anything at the long run. IDK really.
Not by much. The CPU is a millimeter smaller but it's still the same, this wouldn't fix problems with CS2's Linux version or general Steam deck compatibility, nor would it increase the frame rate that much if at all
Speaking of Valve's priorities; I'm on the latest version of the Linux Kernel (and people say it incurs a much lesser performance penalty than whatever version the Steam Deck is on) but I still have to pay AT LEAST 20% of my FPS as the price to not having to interact with microsoft. Sometimes it is very difficult to keep fps above 200 (on a much, much more powerful computer than the Steam Deck). Of course I won't call it unplayable - but shows that RIGHT NOW valve's priorities are not in giving the best possible experience for linux users in general, which of course means also Steam Deck. The other issues, of the screen flickering and the game failing to launch at an appropriate resolution or window size or issues with recording etc., I don't suffer from - so that is yet another step below in the priority scale, like this: Priorities 1. [whatever, we don't know] 2. [whatever as well, VAC? subtick? Skins? [...] 10. Optimizing the game for Vulkan (performance issues on windows and linux) 11. Optimise the game for Linux in general (performance issues on even latest software and hardware) 12. Optimise the game for specific linux versions (like, distros with the most users, like ubuntu or whatever) 13. Optimise the whole Steam Deck CS2 experience (from performance to UX).
This issue with the mouse acceleration on the Linux version was one of the first things reported on the Linux Issue tracker on github and has not been fixed...
I love your positive outlook on Valve. I'm a bit tired of hearing everyone always drone on about negatives about everything, and never looking at the goods.
Steam deck OLED will probably perform well here. With the LCD steam deck, you really need to use the cryoutilities to adjust the performance of the steam deck
Steam deck external monitor usability depends ont he dock you're using. I had a lot of trouble with a few docks not displaying correctly or at all from the seamdeck, with a few USB-C HDMI hubs it did work sometimes depending on the display. Issues included mismatch resolution, long latency on the display, and just full black screen with only audio. But the official steamdeck dock works super well and gave no issue connecting to all the monitors and TV's that I've tried
My pc broke a few months ago, and had to use my steam deck as a backup pc. Had an adapter to plug a keyboard, mouse and an hdmi cable through an usb c port. Not the most pleasant gameplay
The acceleration from mouse movement comes from the steam deck translating movement as a trackpad input not a mouse. Sometimes I play MM on it because I think it is hilarious that it is even possible, and I enjoy the huge difference of trying to play CS2 with joysticks
If you're looking for a good way to capture your screen from the Steam Deck, I use Steam Link to wirelessly cast my Deck screen onto my desktop. It also lets you control your Deck with all the peripherals plugged into your PC.
I'm using Arch Linux (btw.), AMD 5800X and RX 6650 XT. I have given up playing CS 2 on Linux. So it's not (only) the Steam Deck. Playing competetive, I get a lot of frame drops, the menu problems I've had as well. Often I get below 60 fps average. I dual boot, so I play this game on Windows now. Everything works just fine - so it is not my hardware. The Linux version just sucks at the moment. I would have liked to try the Windows version via Proton on Linux, but that is broken, VAC won't let me join any servers. I really love Valve for the contributions they have made for everything Linux, it's seriously awesome. But Counter Strike 2 Linux native is just bad.
I take my Deck (LCD model as well) with me for weekend visits to my family. I tend to use me playing CS2 on my Deck as a threat to my friends, as it's a horrible experience for everyone involved. The only thing worse is trying to play Dota 2 on it.
CS2 is actually very playable with a PS5 controller with gyro, and in a pinch, with Steam Deck. Provided you take the time to make a layout like I did. Valve didn't take the time, but they could. I may be one of the very few who have actually enjoyed CS2 with gyro on Deck.
Philip, Im pretty sure you already know about this feature. But in the extremely rare scenario that you don't know about this, steam allows you to show the game fps, in every game, you just have to enable it on the steam overlay. With this, you can record ingame footage with the steam deck, and have the fps show ingame also
Have you tried fiddling with the power settings at all? On a few other games it's helped me to cap the GPU clock and power limit to give the CPU a bit more headroom and vice versa by turning off cores/lowering core speed for the GPU to have a bit more power to play with. Would be cool to get it playable because not everything in CS requires good aim. I miss the csgo surf days. Deck is theoretically perfect for that
you should do a broader video on linux, proton and online compatibility/anticheat. i think you might have some time ago but things have come a long ways; we even have battleye support! do different desktop environments (KDE vs XFCE) impact game performance? what about whole distributions? wayland vs. xorg? it'd be really interesting i love u (:
about the anti-lang, a new Vulkan version (1.3.291) were published with VK_AMD_anti_lag, AMD Anti Lag Extension a few hours ago lol, it's gonna take time for the game to update with it tho
If VALVE/steam comes out with a new Steam Deck 2 and it can run CS2 decent smooth, its an instant buy. IMHO it needs some serious spec upgrades, larger battery (graphene), more and faster ram, tiny bit larger screen with less bezzles, upgraded cooling system to cool more Watt. Better coating, higher brightness, dont mind if they pull a 240hz screen even if its unrealistic, its certainly not impossible. In the current state of tech and everything thats available .. they sure could make a lot better handheld.
Well, it is possible to bump up steam deck's wattage limits (up to 27w iirc), but that tiny heatsink with a tiny fan couldn't possibly dissipate all the heat it will produce. You can make custom mods with bigger heatsinks, but that will entirely defeat the purpose of a steam deck.
There's an experimental alternative to Radeon anti-lag by using VK_GOOGLE_display_timing Vulkan extension . It can be enabled in CS2 with an launch option argument -vulkan_enable_google_display_timing and then Nvidia Reflex option will pop up in settings. It does work only in gamescope.
@@olnnn My comment got ghosted by YT, sorry. Misyl Ashton made an announcement for this feature. I can't unfortunately write more because YT will remove it again.
I wanted to get one of these because I travel for work, and cs2 was my main interest and I’m glad I decided to get a laptop, even if it is a pain to carry around
@@happygofishing well ofc CS2 runs slower than GO,but if you have 200 fps on windows,same machine on Linux will hit around 120-130 for example,just kinda bad port,using proton most games from dx to vulkan run with little if any performance hit
you can very easily undervolt the steam deck and increase the power limit to around 25w. Helps a lot with stability in heavier games, especially in docked mode.
I know the person who did the CSGO controller config for steam deck (and any controller through steam input) has been focusing a lot on gyro with the revamped Gyro to Mouse [BETA]. I know they're planning on adding siapi support to CS2 akin to CSGO, but not until they're done with gyro to mouse.
I would be very interested in seeing YOU doing a road to faceit 10. With fun settings like playing on a drawing tablet or something. I feel like you're feedback on the "open" competitive side of the game would be really interesting.
if you get to face it lvl 10 with the steam deck, you might as well just be president of the united states with the amount of effort youd have to put out
there's a couple of launch options that helped me get the performance on point on my linux machine. "DRI_PRIME=1 gamemoderun %command% -vulkan -high" are some that helped me a lot since the game was unplayable before. Now the game runs just like on windows.
Sorry I know is not the topic of this video but did you tried on windows on deck? For what I know it have fully driver support and maybe runs better for cs2.
This cs2 gameplay experience is related not only to steam deck but also to any laptop with low specks or integrated graphics. Where I had 100+ fps in csgo I’m now having mushy 30-40 fps in cs2 on my laptop and it is just unplayable.
i dont know about CS2 but in normal source games you can type cl_wpn_sway_interp 1 (default is 0.2) to have the guns flail like this. if that was the actual problem id be SUPER confused though... maybe more likely to be some kind of cpu priority thing where code for weapon swaying/other less useful things is super low on the totem poll???
I'm playing this on Linux on a i7 3770, which is similar (I think) to the Steam Deck's CPU. So, I have a very old 4 core 8 thread processor, and I have the older DDR3 RAM. But, I have a better (budget) graphics card that's better than the Steam Deck's GPU (GTX 1650). I'm pretty sure the Deck's limited by its GPU capabilities when it comes to CS2. In competitive, CS2 runs most of the time at 60+ fps, with the rare dip to 50 something when there's a lot of action in certain parts of some maps. But it feels much smoother than the Steam Deck's gameplay from this video. I remember before when I used the i5 3570 (4 core 4 thread), most of the time I had 60 fps, but it didn't feel like it, it felt sluggish and choppy, despite the framerate on the screen. Upgrading to the i7 3770 fixed this sluggishness.
5:06 i dunno ...obs studio? i dont mean to be rude obviously, but it feels like you didnt even try tbh. ive noticed this happen a lot with windows people that try to do things on a steam deck/linux, they dont even attempt to find an alternative way to do something and just immediately throw in the towel when they find out their windowsy thing doesnt exist
huh I didnt expect there to be no mention of the black screen issue I had that made me not be able to do anything but listen to the main menu music, didnt think that was only me
ive always been an avid cs case opener but what i found out recently will shock you all - there is a hidden feature buried within the menu that allows you to play as a first person character that actually hold the gun skins that you unbox... no im not lying!! whats crazier is that you can actually run around a big arena and shoot other people that also have skins that they have unboxed! unfortunately this easter egg is seriously buggy and people will scream a whole assortment of racial epithets at you, but its still crazy cool nonetheless as a cute little side feature
I do genuinely like the steam deck. I can’t wait to see the console successor. I think the only thing for me that kills the steam deck is that performance at this point ROG Ally Z1 standard is probably a better deal for the cash
Overall opinion about the Steam Deck APU - hope Valve will make some kind of update for powerlimit on the "docked" mode i don't mind it running at 5-15W while at handheld, this is what makes Steam Deck soo amazing but on "docked" mode it should be running at 20-30W, would be an really interesting then to buy Steamdeck for both handheld use and daily pc use
I'm a full time linux user and I play all my games on it. I don't have a windows machine for the last 5 to 6 years and all the problems you're facing in steam deck happens to all linux computers. Even though I have a ryzen 5 3600xt and a RX 7600 XT, running almost all other games at ultra 2k between 60-165 fps. CS2 just runs terribly, it is one of the worst games in linux unfortunately. It is so sad :(
*A game built by Valve, on an engine built by Valve, runs awfully on a machine built by Valve.* As someone who really liked CSGO and is upset with CS2, this feels like an even bigger middle finger because my main gaming machine is the Deck. It's even more ridiculous that it doesn't have a proper controller config when CSGO had deep integrations with the Steam Input APIs and great controller configurations. I know, playing CS on a controller sounds stupid but with gyro for casual matches, it was great.
I've been daily driving a Steam Deck Oled since i got it last christmas now. I put vanilla Arch linux with a wayland WM on it, and i gotta say, my range of issues was a bit different! I didn't have many problems with resolution, except that the game (like many others) at first wanted to limit the resolution to the deck's 800p instead of my monitors 1080, but that was quickly fixed. Asides from that, sometimes the audio randomly cuts out and i have to restart the entire game for some reason... FPS is fine though, often reaching 60FPS even at 1080p with FSR off. I even got Hammer working, though that was less than fun...
Whoever was the guy that said "nobody plays CS:GO with a controller" needs to get some ice cream in their system. I used to play Xbox counter strike. It was my first entry into csgo. I used to mess around with my friends and we'd do a competitive controller strike match for fun. We'd lose a lot but we'd get some major wins. Bring back the old controller layout with some gyro aiming and all the fancy gadgets that come with it. I hate that CS2 didn't fully ship with everything the old game had. It was like a step forward, two steps back sorta thing.
The issue with the screen resolution "cutting off" part of the screen might be fixable if you change your resolution back and forth. I get that issue sometimes when I switch between monitors or between windowed and fullscreen mode.
