I really enjoyed your teaching style. Teach, review and give me a chance to figure it out. I love steam locomotives. My daddy was a young engineer for the Santa Fe Railroad in 1947. He drove steam locomotives and entertained kids with his steam locomotive imitation. I am retired now and enjoy finding steam locomotive excursions. I recognized several of the locomotives in your video. Thanks so much.
@@samuelfarris6979 I model the PRR and ATSF railroads as my primary hobby, and end up learning a whole bunch of random facts about trains. got my own model train channel called trainman440!
Super deluxe! I love steam trains, and was trying to remember the name of the front wheels...this is exactly what I needed to refresh my memory! Thank you. Excellent production values; very well done.
Some very rare locomotives are: 0-8-2 Kado (Sometimes Queen Mary) 0-8-4 London 0-10-2 Union 0-4-2 Olomana 4-4-4 Julibee 2-4-4T Boston 6-8-6 PRR Turbine 0-10-0 (also) Union 4-10-0 Gobernador 2-6-8-0 (no name but used in US)
Lol I love steam engines, but where I live, we don't really have any... BUT back in April, Union Pacific 844 actually came out here to celebrate the Boise train depot's 92nd birthday. And it was absolutely GLORIOUS!!
Found you via google search on loco wheel count, and thus the info video. Your narration was really nice. I learned a lot... except there was no mention of a 4-8-2 “Mountain” which is on display near me. In 1926, SLSF (Frisco) railway purchased these locomotives from Baldwin Locomotive Works. Will keep up w/your posts! Railfan in MS
Great video Mike lot's of helpful information! I never realized that a tank engine has T designation after the trailing trucks; I've been into trains for for 55 years. You learn something new everyday. : ) Thanks Mike! - Balerio
@@CoasterFan2105although can You do a video about the history of the steam engines with the 4-8-0 wheel arrangements and what their name would be, for Example. Norfolk and western M class 4-8-0 No. 475
Speaking of Tank Engines,Another Wheel Arrangement for Tank Engine's is a 0-6-0T which was An LB&SCR E2 class locomotives which was based on Thomas The Tank Engine.
Duplex and triplex locomotives use the Whyte system as well. The Triplex is basically an Articulated or Mallet type, with yet another set of driving wheels. The duplexes, ironically, are different from the three previous types, as while they have two sets of driving wheels, they sit on a rigid frame. Articulateds, Mallets, and Triplexes have a frame which is hinged to pivot (like pilot and trailing wheels) one of the driving sets to get around sharp curves using a longer locomotive
couple of ideas, switch engines, C&O, B&LE, Missabe, had some freakin' HUGE yard engines, 0-10-0, 0-10-2, and 0-6-6-0, and 0-8-8-0, and booster equipment engine truck, tender truck mounted versions
CoasterFan2105 yah, rattleing around, looking up bits & peices for my latest drawing, n' my little brain wanders off. also, didn't see 4-12-2, 4-10-2, camelbacks, et al. then there are the experimentals, high pressure, watertube boilers, four cylinder 4-8-0,( B&O?), turbine sets, etc. check out the Missabe yard engines, those suckers were just monsters!
Wonderful video with practical examples! You would think that the numbers are always even - so the Whyte notation seems inefficient. Mr. Whyte could have halved the numbers, making counting wheels just on one side of the engine simpler and less error prone. However, there are examples of monorail locomotives... at least for the driving wheels which used a central rail. One such was Patiala State Monorail Trainways whose designation is 0-3-0. One driving wheel per axle. It's the only example of an odd-number in the list shown in Wiki's "Whyte notation" In another monorail where the notation becomes problematic is for Listowel and Ballybunion Railway. It was 0-6-0 but Wiki acknowledges "strictly speaking, 0-3-0". If monorail locomotives had an even number of driving wheels then we'd be back to confusion. From the notation alone there would be no way of telling whether it was a monorail design as it would more likely be mistaken for common 2-wheeled axles.
You missed the 2-6-2 prairie, 2-6-0 mogul , 4-8-2 mountain, 4-4-2 atlantic, 2-8-4 Berkshire, 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone , 2-10-0 decapod, 2-10-2 Santa Fe and 4-6-4 Hudson. You missed other wheel arrangements I don't know the name of but these are the 4-8-0, 4-6-0 and 0-4-2
Unfortunately, I didn't have time to go through the history of every wheel arrangement and some of them were not used very often. I went through a few of the ones you mentioned briefly at the end of the video.
CoasterFan2105 now I know the 4-6-0, it's names the ten wheeler and I knew that UP challenger was 4-6-6-4 but I only thought that the UP challenger had that wheel arrangement, looks like there other challengers out there so the UP challenger is named after its wheel arrangement
Hi Mike, Mike here, my neighbor got me involved with youtube locomotives, it is mind blowing and awsome, I am in my seventies so you know what erea I belong to. My father worked for the NewHaven and Hartford and his last road was Erie...We lived close to the yard and I would listen to the locomotives hissing all night.... Thanks
I think he didn't mention it because there aren't any (to my knowledge) Atlantic's left. Or it may just be the main types. I.e. Mikado, Pacific, Consolidation, Northern, etc.
The "Pacific" was called that because the first ones were for the New Zealand Railways, in the southwest Pacific; built by Baldwin. The trailing truck was necessary to support the wide firebox, designed to produce a high level of continuous output: the NZR had steep ruling grades, and very few flat runs. There was a 4-6-2 that predated these, but that was really a ten-wheeler with added stability.. The "Pacific" type was mixed traffic (NZR never had special passenger locomotives) and became very much used, until trains got too heavy, and 4-8-4 and 4-8-2 locomotives replaced them.
They were called Pacific after the Missouri Paciffic Lines - being the first American road to order they type. The idea that the type was named after the ocean emerged decades after the type's introduction in North America - and decades after the common name had been universally adopted. It's a myth which ought to be discarded.
Some steam locomotives are actually fitted with devices that detect the position of the throttle and can then adjust the speed of a trailing diesel correspondingly.
Mysteryfoxx go look for videos of the rebuilt UP844s break in runs. links titled: < Union Pacific 844 2017 Break-In Run Parts 1 thru 4 >. They have a diesel behind the steamer. (I suspect either to provide a load for pulling OR if some - new - part breaks they cant allow it to sit on a main line waiting for a tow.) LOL And in one of the 4 segments they explain the electronics that allow control of the diesel.
I still have my 4-8-4 Northern. Had that HO engine for over 40 years! Been 30 years since I've actually ran it.. Hate to sell it, but hate to let it sit in the box too.
Would have liked to have seen mention of the European systems of specifying wheel arrangement. The old one (not sure of the original name) is like Whyte notation but counts axles (or the wheels on just one side), and omits the hyphens. The newer one (not sure of the original name) used letters for groups of driving axles and evolved into the modern wheel arrangement systems (AAR in North America and UIC in Europe -- not sure which ones are favored in Asia, Africa, and South/Central America). Both Whyte and the other systems had to be extended to accommodate articulated locomotives.
That thing where the back and forth movement of the piston converts to the turning motion of the connecting rods - who invented that or when did it first develope?
How come you only have footage of one Northern locomotive, the 3751? You should get some footage of the 844, or even better the 4449. That'd be awesome!
@@CoasterFan2105 In Europe and on the Milwaukee Road, the 4-6-4 was called the "Baltic." Also, during the anti-Japanese WWII years, they called the Mikado the "MacArthur," after the American General. The name stuck with some roads after the war. Mike, you also forgot the oddball wheel arrangement, the 4-8-0, mostly used by the Southern Pacific and the Norfolk & Western, called the Twelve-wheeler or sometimes "Mastodon."
Carl Rall It’s easiest to call them by their common names, especially since this video appears to not be specifically for train people. It wants to explain all the useless information we have in our heads in a way non train people can understand. That said though, I personally do really like some of the alternate names for wheel arrangements. Here’s a few cool and/or interesting ones, assorted by wheel arrangement. 4-8-4: Dixie (NC&StL), Wyoming (Lehigh Valley), Greenbrier (C&O), Four Aces (Timken), Big Apple (Central of Georgia), Generals and Statesmen (RF&P), Western (DRGW), Pocono (DL&W), Niagara (NYC), Niagra (NdeM), Heavy Mountain (ATSF, yes really), Confederation (GTW), and Potomac (Western Maryland). 2-8-4: Big Emma (L&N), Lima/Big Mikes (ICRR), Kanawha (C&O). 4-8-2: Mohawk (NYC) 4-10-2: Overland (SP/UP)
My favorite is the 4-6-0 ten wheeler especially narrow gauge ones btw the 2-8-4 doesn’t just have one name they were called big Emma’s by the L&N ,Kanoaws by the C&O ,S-1 by the Pere Marqette and one road (can’t remember the name of it) called them big mikes
that is correct new zealand rail ordered 10 462s from baldwins in 1901. they were shipped across the pacific to nz becoming the q class, this being the first order of 462s in the world they were very successful lasting into the 1950s
9:50 The A.T.&S.F. on the cab of the locomotive stands for Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe. I don't see why Kansas has a place named "Atchison," but it doesn't have a place named "Atchisdaughter."
Hello :) can you do an Electric Trains Galore? That would be really awesome :D I'm from Germany and I watch your videos almost every day when I have the time. Keep up the good work!
I have an idea in a request for a new train talk episode steam locomotive whistles I was just wondering if you were planning to make a video about Steam locomotive whistles
Enjoyed the video. Thanks. There appears to be a huge variation in the size (diameter) of the driving wheels on the different locomotives. Do you happen to know why some have very large wheels while others are smaller in size?
The size of the wheels will be different for different uses. The bigger the wheels the faster, they tend to be used more for commercial passenger use. Trains with smaller roadwheels are slower and tend to carry much heavier loads.
Driver height had an influence on a locomotive's ability to transform power at the cylinders to hauling power. The lower the driver height the more efficiently power was transferred to the railhead. They trade-off being lower road speed. So freight types tended to have lower drivers.
The Missouri Pacific railway was the first to operate the type IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It's notable that the design most associated with Pacifics (tender engines with large fireboxes) were first designed by the New Zealand Government Railways (NZR) and produced for them by the Baldwin Locomotive Works (as the Q class), entering service the year before the Missouri Pacific. Some of the first countries to have decent numbers of them would be New Zealand and Australia, often with them needing to come across the pacific. Which is also anouther place they could get their name from.
Does the U.S. (Specifically Union Pacific) have a lot of Tank Engines? I know of plenty of Tank Engines in the U.K. just not brushed up on any here. It doesn't seem like we have a lot in the way of small engines, lol.
There are quite a few in preservation. You see them at a lot of railroad museums with smaller demonstration railroads because they are economical. During the steam era, you didn't see many on the big RR's, usually only on mining or logging operations. The bigger railroads typically used switchers with tenders.
June will be about Passenger Trains if all goes as planned. I will have to get more video of the 844 before I do a video on the steam program, but hopefully that won't be too far off.
The 2-8-0 and 2-8-2 were great. But there is an issue about this video. You totally forgot these arrangements. 4-4-2 Atlantic 2-10-2 Santa Fe 2-10-4 Texas 4-8-0 Mastadon 4-6-4 Hudson 2-8-4 Berkshire 4-8-2 Mountain
I've never heard of a 0-2-2-0, but an 0-4-2 would be called a "Forney". They were short engines where the tender was permanently attached to the frame of the locomotive.
Question. What is the designation for this locomotive. 2 - 8 - 0 but the 1st set of drivers is separated from the latter 3 sets by maybe half the dia of the driver? I found a picturw but the link is too long to post (????) google IC locomotive 638 Drop down the the line of pictures and click on the 3rd pic (I.C.R.R. engine 638). Could this be the source of that line in the Casey Jones song about the "6 8 wheeler"?? (along with literary license lol)
Hey, that would still be a 2-8-0. The drive wheels are only separated based on cylinder set. So for articulated locomotives, they have 2 and sometimes 3 different sets of cylinders, so the driving wheels are grouped based on which cylinder set they go with. I think the "6 8 wheeler" line in the song is probably talking about the diameter of the driving wheels (probably 68 inches).
Hey CoasterFan2105 I know this on a different video but do you know how much longer the F59PHIs on Amtrak Surfliner are supposed to be around because I got some information about all of Amtrak's F59PHI fleet was sent to the east for a rebuilding program and you said in the Siemens Charger video that there are still more Siemens Chargers on order for California and some of the other states but do you know though let me know!!!!..... (: :)
I do not have specific information, but my guess is that once all 16 new Siemens chargers are in Surfliner service, all the Surfliner F59s will be removed from service and stored, sold, or scrapped.
Oh really I see and the 16 SC-44s will take time to build....but I always thought that since you said 14 will be used on the Pacific Surfliner, (except now that you said 16) and I did a little math because there's F59PHI locomotives numbered 450 to 464 and that's a total of 15 of them and the 14 that are thought to replacing them leaves only just one F59 locomotive left.... bUt 16 then that means all of them but anyway thanks for the info +CoasterFan2105 and be sure to check out my RU-vid channel because I have videos of almost a lot of the F59s but yeah thanks, Keep up the train videos and Train Talk!!!!! (: (Also have you ever seen the Union Pacific Heritage Unit 1996?) (:
Yeah, I was a little surprised when I found out the other week that California ordered an additional 2 locomotives back in November. So yes, it sounds like all of the F59s will be replaced on the Surfliner. And yes, I have seen 1996 twice :)
This was awesome!!!! plz get an instagram that would be awesome, then you could say when you are going to certain places so people can meet you (if you are ok with that)
