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Stephanie Kelton - How can we afford the future? 

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This is the opening keynote for the University of Alberta's International Week 2022.
Stephanie Kelton is a leading authority on “Modern Monetary Theory”, a new approach to economics that is taking the world by storm. Her new book, The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the People’s Economy, shows how to break free of the myths and misunderstandings about money and the role of taxes, debt and deficits that have hamstrung policymakers around the world.
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@ericbruun9020
@ericbruun9020 Год назад
How did I miss this? I would approach this more as an engineering project than as a series of smaller economic analyses. Then one can use optimization theory to prioritize and sequence tasks to avoid inflation by evening out workforce tasks and material procurement. This approach also identifies unintended consequences and conflicting objectives.
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 года назад
@1:11:50 do _not_ tax corporations that are engaging in harmful activities. Tax imposed legitimises their activity, and they pass off the cost to consumers and shareholders. Just fine them the heck out of existence.
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
Before I comment on what Professor Kelton has said here, I must admit that I have not had the opportunity to read much from her beyond her views on the use of monetary growth as a means of stimulating debt-free economic production. What I would find useful is her views on the cause or causes of the very regular land market cycles that characterize the periods of boom to bust experienced by every society in which private ownership of land and natural resources is permitted. The economics has always seemed quite straightforward to me, based on my own formal and later studies of economic theory. Every parcel or tract of land has some potential annual rental value (i.e., what someone or some entity would be willing to bid to acquire exclusive control over a location). This rental value is based on real and perceived advantages of one location in comparison to other locations. Some of us have been arguing for a long time that this value rightfully belongs to the community or society, that the failure to capture this value to pay for public goods and services amounts to a redistribution of wealth from producers to non-producer rentier interests. The real world consequences are in multiple senses damaging. Hoarding of land natural resources is rewarded and encouraged. Huge amounts of land is held idle for years or decades, so that the supply of land available for development is artificially constrained. Land rents climb as a result, and these speculation-created rental values are capitalized into higher and higher prices. Land price inflation then makes its way throughout the economy. About every 18 years the stress of the increased costs of leasing or purchasing land causes the economy to stall, freeze and crash. The last freeze occurred in 2008. If the cycle repeats as expected, the next crash will hit us in 2026. And, given the tremendous increases in land prices that have occurred since 2010, the depth and duration of this next crash is certain to be worse than the last one. In the wake of the last crash, the U.S. government injected trillions of new dollars into the property markets, and the Federal Reserve dropped interest rates to the lowest levels in seventy-five years. This did not prevent millions of people from defaulting on their mortgage loans and become homeless. What it did do was re-ignite the credit-fueled, speculation-driven investment in land and real estate. How should the Federal government respond? Without the right sort of reform of our public revenue system, reforms that capture rents and unburden earned income flows and tangible assets from taxation, then, as Stephanie Kelton says, "we are in a real trap."
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 года назад
Currency is never "debt free". All currency that governments issue to the private sector and civil servants and contractors is a liability of the central bank. It is a debt obligation. "How so?" you might ask. The government _must_ stand by its promise to redeem this currency in receipt of tax payments. That is the obligation. They must accept it back. If they do not, and leave people with unpaid tax liabilities the currency value will shortly go to zero, and no one will accept it to do any work. More generally, any form of currency (that which is accepted as a numéraire token for payment of services or goods (or tax payment)) is both CREDIT & DEBT. Whoever has it is in credit, whoever stands ready to redeem is in DEBT. There better be someone holding this debt obligation or your "currency" is worthless, you might find an idiot willing to accept it, but that just passes the buck. No monetary system in known history has functioned differently. You have to however (to see this) ignore superficial surface features (like gold being "the money" - it is not, it is a commodity with _real_ value that often is used as a currency peg - defining what the currency issuer promises to redeem - and in that case they had better have gold to hand out, or fake that they have the gold.) A good analogy is with metrology units. A kilogram is an abstract unit of mass, but is not worth anything, it is a numéraire, it has no mass. A chicken is the thing that has the mass, the kilogram is just it's unit of measure. So think: kg ~ currency, gold ~ chicken.
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
@@Achrononmaster It is unclear to me how your comments respond to my post, which is primarily about the need for changing the source of public revenue raised by taxation. What I will say is that a fiat currency is by definition not backed by anything tangible. What gives such a currency exchange value is its standing as legal tender (i.e., that one must accept it in payment of goods and services and must use it to pay taxes and fees to the federal government). The creation of the Federal Reserve System was orchestrated by J.P. Morgan and other bankers to prevent direct issuance by government of the currency. Had the U.S. Treasury had sole authority to create currency, allocated as needed to government departments to spend according to their budgets, this money would have entered the economy directly without issuance of bonds subject to the payment of interest.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
@@nthperson You are wrong again. Taxes do not create value for the money. You are still in defiance of historical facts that taxes did NOTHING AT ALL to put any value into the currencies of all of the economies where inflation caused the currency to have NO value at all. Why do you keep repeating this lie when the historical reality is so clear and you should understand that defiance of historical facts which have been pointed out to you previously is either done by people who want to willingly deceive others or by people with an inability to comprehend and accept reality. Which are you - a person wanting to deceive others or unable to accept reality?
@nthperson
@nthperson Год назад
@@Rob-fx2dw When a nation's law requires that taxes be paid using a specific form of money (whether coinage or paper currency) this automatically gives the money exchange value. What a unit of currency will actually purchase or exchange for is a different issue. Both taxes and the prices of goods and services change over time, the changes caused by a wide range of reasons. When people lose confidence in government or when there are shocks to a nation's economy, the currency can experience hyper-inflation or deflation. In short, I really have no idea what you are arguing with me about.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
@@nthperson You are wrong about money getting value from taxes simply because it got NO value at all from taxes. It is all bad MMT style thinking that causes you to misunderstand the nature of fiat money. Your argument is based on believing something has value when the term "value" relates to the use of the product itself. Fiat money has no use itself when it is not backed by goods or services. Are Numbers worthless or worth anything of themselves ? No, they are worthless on their own. Numbers themselves cannot make themselves worth more by subtracting one from another or multiplying themselves. Fiat money is worthless just a numbering system is worthless on it's own unless it is used in relation to something else. Can exchanging money make it worth more ? No, and that is obvious because someone demanding it does not make it's purchasing power any greater. Does tax itself make money more valued ? No, for the same reason because it can't purchase more goods if taken from someone and spent by government than it could if spent by anyone else. You cannot quote any instance where government confiscated (tax revenue) and spent money is worth more than any other.
@Herbwise
@Herbwise 2 года назад
Re growth and degrowth. How much of our current growth is focused on making money manufacturing wasteful harmful products? My main concern in that regard is plastics. We have alternatives such as hemp which also can also help conserve forests and that in turn maintains CO2 sequestration.
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 года назад
Good comment. We have plenty of alternatives to everything that is harmful. The problem is entrenched oligarchy, not lack of technology. Also fever for profits whcih creates bullsh*t jobs, sucking like parasites off the poorest workers. Something like 40% of "jobs" performed in the world is work that does not need to be done.
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 года назад
@55:00 if it is the government bidding workers away from the private sector causing the inflation this is _good._ Inflation is not a single type of process. If it comes from base demand, _not_ from price gouging, by raising the wage floor, so the real wage is improved, then the inflation only hurts those who have hoarded money and are not working. This of course need not ever hurt pensioners, because their pension payments can always be adjusted to the standard decent living income level. Firms that cannot afford to match the government Job Guarantee wage floor will find themselves out of business, but since the government injects more currency when it runs a JG and higher wage floor, those businesses face consumers with more disposable income, so if they cannot afford to pay their employees a decent wage they aught not be in the wage slavery business. If they do close down, they too have the Job Guarantee as a backstop, their claim on the State.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
It is clear we cannot afford the future with the ideas of Kelton in practice.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
There is no independent measure that is offered by Kelton in her MMt that actually or accurately measures capacity. Unused capacity exists all the time in every field of human endeavor because machinery that was previously the most efficient later becomes less efficient than new machinery that can produce at a lower cost (lower price) or produces a superior product that supplants the older machinery. Even fashions and styles change and older products are no longer desired by the would be purchasers so the older means of production is no longer in maximum capacity yet still may be workable. It is thus under capacity. Therefore it is impossible that 'under capacity' can be determined with any accuracy.
@1Skeptik1
@1Skeptik1 5 месяцев назад
Irony? Stephanie is one of the richest Economist from United States. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Stephanie Kelton's net worth $5 Million. (Last Update: January 13, 2024) Ms. Kelton has pockets loaded with capitalist dollars while she champions socialism for profit. Socialism is a political and economic system wherein property and resources are owned in common or by the state. MMT is socialism with a fresh coat of paint. We are players in an international finance game board and there are dire consequences to printing.
@galenbodle3741
@galenbodle3741 2 года назад
ρяσмσѕм ?
@mns8732
@mns8732 7 месяцев назад
Completely ivory Tower stuff. The world does not work as she described. It is not a Star Trek episode.
@drunkrtard
@drunkrtard 9 месяцев назад
Im having a hard time not thinking im about to be fed a lot of bs after the first 5 minutes.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
Kelton lies about money creation and the lies are clearly evident to a person with financial competence since they are revealed by examination of the the mathematics of past Budgets. The government does NOT issue money. It borrows money. Kelton says if we have the real resources and the technological knowhow as Keynes said anything we can actually do we can afford" then says "we being the currency issuer". NO that is a really good example of her confusion of terms and concepts. The reality is what you can presently do is already determined . Kelton ignores this fact and the other fact that the "we" is not the currency issuer since nobody just issue the currency. All of the money today is fiat credit money created from banks lending to a borrower including the money borrowed by government. The government does NOT issue money !!
@lot110
@lot110 Год назад
troll
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
@@lot110 Another ad hominem comment that illustrates the sum of your level of intelligence. Nothing of substance to offer !
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
To simple minds like Kelton everything is simple - Until they tray to do it and it fails dismally because they have a simple minded approach to things that are more complicated that they don't understand but are deluded enough to believe they do without any evidence demonstrating having done.
@slowpainful
@slowpainful Год назад
Stephanie Kelton does not espouse "simple" ideas or theories without "proof" - she has repeatedly stated that she describes what actually happens in the economic sphere. It's not an interpretation, it's a model of reality. Reality is the proof!
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
@@slowpainful You seem to have swallowed what she says just because it is what she says. Do you swallow without checking everything others say? Try looking at what others say. For instance people who actually perform the actions she claims to know about. Tell me why she is right and other who are actual creators of new money such as the bank of England and the Bank of Canada are wrong when their description of the process contradicts what she says. Explain how historical facts that are available from the government records are wrong when her description of the national debt is "it never having to be paid off" when her version does not n meet with the historical facts. If you don't believe me do your own mathematics to see how her version of the national debt is not correct since it is contrary to the mathematics.
@ericbruun9020
@ericbruun9020 Год назад
@@Rob-fx2dw I am an infrastructure planner and engineer and looking at actual resources needed is how we do things. Kelton is not touting something unproven. In fact, we go further using math programming to sequence and prioritize tasks. Canada did this during WW2.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw Год назад
@@ericbruun9020 You say "Kelton is not doing something unproven" - What is proven about her claim that taxes don't fund government spending or her claim that the government is the source of money or the idea that the national debt does not have to be paid off and is nota debt for the future.? I expect you to put a reply to this which shows the proof or admit you are wrong.
@ericbruun9020
@ericbruun9020 Год назад
@@Rob-fx2dw I owe you nothing. You do not even give people your name. I suspect you have not even studied this closely, just talking off the top of your head based on ideology.
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