Stephen A. & Mad Dog DEBATE Shohei Ohtani 🗣️ Should the Angels trade him?! ⚾ | First Take 

He’s the reason why I started watching baseball

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@@PlayoffP69same

Same. Wife like the Dodgers. I'm hoping he heads there.

Too short to play center, but point guard is 👍

Maybe the LA Kings can sign Shohei, he can play center and goalie like Gretzky and Patrick Roy

@@trevorcarey3997Kings have to many centers right now, they just overpaid for one

@@CasuallyCommentingBaseThingswho?

Lmao!

I agree, I work part time in a nursing home and one of the senoirs that I care for still thinks Babe is better, Ruth fans are living in the bubble and not in reality, they bring up Babe's overblown stats, that he out hit other teams, but refuse to realize that majority of the players on other teams in the league were working other jobs because they were'nt paying them enough money, they won't even make a double AA minor league team now. Babe played against coal miners and plumbers, and was'nt playing against the best players worldwide or even in this country. Now it's a full time job, athletes train just for baseball, players are bigger stronger faster, they train 362 days a year, and play against Worldwide Talent, even Casey Stengal said in 1962 the players are better then when he was playing against Ruth in his era, Shohie is even better as a pitcher, Babe never threw 100 mph or even 90 (his average pitch was high 80 mph ) If a time machine brought Babe to play today he'll be a good player (hit 20 HRs and maybe win 4 or 5 games most) but if Shohei goes to play in Babe's era no doupt he'll dominate (hit 70 to 80 HRs and Win 30 to 40 games) and even alot of Baseball historians said the same thing also, comparing todays game to a hundred years ago when the game was still early and not advanced to as it is now, and also the great players like Ohtani Acuna Judge if they were living in 1920s they won't be allowed to play in the Major leagues, or even guys like Pedro Bonds and Griffey would be banned playing in the Majors in Babes time. Even the foods are better now then a hundred years ago, instead of just pizza and speghetti, we now have all mix foods of taco's, soul food and sushi, three of my favorites.

Insensitive? I though it was Natural, you pass on what has been done too you to the next generation... Proving that Humans History Repeats itself, and all this BLM.... for show , Life is a Show Business.

Trout did it to himself. He signed a huge long term contract knowing what type of franchise they are. He wanted the lack of accountability and the great weather.

​@@boxingandbulldogs6341I know it sucks because I wanted to see his career go crazy but dude is lazy. Could care less about his legacy. Otahni needs to get the heck out.

@@Richard-gw2lr Yep. He doesn't even do the things that made him such a great player before and won him that contract, like steal bases, or lay out for plays in the outfield. In addition, they have been load managing him for awhile now, sitting him in several games even though he's healthy. All those precautions, and he still gets hurt just from swinging the bat 🤦‍♂️. That speaks to the organization's indifference and ineptitude regarding fitness and health, and/or a lack of work ethic by Trout, who, quite frankly, is doing what most human beings would do if given hundreds of millions of guaranteed dollars, regardless of your production...not put in as much as effort as you did before all that guaranteed money.

But it’s every day that people make stupid comments way to go Ian.

@@boxingandbulldogs6341ur an idiot, trout got a crazy extension like 4 years ago. They routinely constructed terrible rosters around him when they had Trout on a reasonable contract.

ESPN and talking baseball, name a more uniconic duo.

considering he is not with the Yankees and Red Sox

This might be a dumb question but what sport do y'all watch over there?

@TonySoprano-mm8ip Footy and Rugby are the biggest for us, then cricket, the basketball we could argue we have the 2nd best league in the world after the Nba, Football or Soccer you people call it is next, then Surfing and Netball (Women). I used to think baseball is so boring, but because Ohtani got me into it, there's something romantic and beautiful about it.. I used to think football/soccer is the most beautiful sport to watch, now its baseball for me

@@winterking9799well said. I think sports are all about the mythology and legend. You need individual heroes to build that mythos and bring people into the game. And I think baseball finally got someone like that in Ohtani. Thought it was gonna be judge but as good a hitter as he is it’s not enough to be transcendent. We’ve seen people hit 70 homers. We haven’t seen anyone be on pace for 60 and have a 3 era

I agree. I grew up in Scandinavia where baseball…🙄 But Ohtani is something that transcends baseball. He is a top athlete who makes you want to learn more about the intricate details of the sport. The team strategy, the position players agility, the power, the technical brilliance, pitchers control of the game, the batters skills and in split second evaluate the ball type, the enormous danger of being hit by that rocket (why they call it dead-ball) it can literally kill if hit bad. And all the toils behind. Ohtani makes you see the full connection of the different facets of the game, that’s the reason you finally understand baseball is an interesting sport Something novices can not see when the sport is so specialized by position.

@@winterking9799 what are yout rhoughts on ben simmons

The swing and miss on Rendon is gonna set the franchise back for a few more seasons.

Trouts always hurt angels need to trade both and start over

I think he will also stay with them for his next contract... He seems happy there

@@elisamuelpedraza8228 i can see him giving them one more contract. 1 year 40M. If they aren't in the race by all star break then they'll trade him

@@tufoinproductions maybe, but it would be better for him to sign a big contract this year considering the year he's having and the fact that if he signs another one year deal and gets injured next year, he could lose the opportunity to have a massive contract

​@@tufoinproductionsbro he ain't signing a one year contract lol.

@@tufoinproductionsHe can sign a contract with player options and trade clauses. He can have a multi year deal with all the control

Please don't do more Baseball Segments!!

​@@melvinlamon9615do more

Sadly if it’s only Yankees, Dodgers or Ohtani related. 😢

He's a moron.

They messed up. Should have traded him last season. Gonna be hard to trade a guy for a few months when he can leave them as well.

I have no faith they'll do anything with whatever they get back. At least we can suffer with an MVP for another half season.

If this was before the year I would have said to trade him, but as of now, the angels are in the playoff hunt. You trade ohtani when the angels r losing, angels fans will be upset, but understand it. U trade him now, and the angels will lose their entire fan base

@@yashtalaulikar3727 the angels just lost trout for like two months , rendon got injured too ; unless guys like David fetcher and Taylor ward can carry the angels offense with Ohtani while they r gone the angels playoff hopes r done

The Yankees will pick him up for those few months. Then pay him 700 million for 10 years!

very true....and so will his layoff that's upcoming....

@@shahidmufti795 We all know that’s a dream keep wishing on a Star 🌟 😮😂

And Rendon. Nightmare roster

​@@JasonJia909Trade Trout

@@cjfrm3658 that...would be fascinating

@@JasonJia909 I'm saying we not winning with them it's not Thier fault but why pay both

They actually got a good roster... problem is injuries. Their entire starting infield and their starting catcher are on the injured list. Before the bulk of their injuries they were over .500 and had one of the wild card spots.

The Angels are like the Yanks; a theme park turning a profit over their star attractions. They won't trade Shohei anymore than NY was willing to let Judge walk.

You mean with the Astros !

That would be KD to the Warriors on steroids

They don’t got the farm to trade for him and I doubt they would pay him his worth

While fun to think about, there are several issues with that: 1) It would be impossible for Atlanta to get Ohtani without giving up some of that lineup in return... you can't simply trade for him with top prospects and draft picks, you'd have to throw in a big name or two... 2) The Braves notoriously don't open their wallets too much, both in terms of yearly salary and total amount (they have one $200 million player in their history, Austin Riley for 10y/$212m signed last year)... you wouldn't dare trade away everything to get him for the remainder of this season if you weren't going to try to also sign him and make no mistake about it, Ohtani wants (and will get) $500-$600 million... and 3) Atlanta would almost certainly have a Ronald Acuna problem sooner than later, as he's under contract for three more years at only $12.5 million/year. Given he's the best player in the NL, he will likely ask to renegotiate for $300-$400 million. So like I said, it would be fun to think about, but virtually impossible.

@@chili015most of what you said is right except ronald is signed through 2029

I don't follow baseball but why would a franchise tried to trade the best player in baseball or let him walk? Doesn't make sense to me

@@daebak7370 If they don't, he walks out the door as a free agent at the end of this year...

@@daebak7370 Well let’s just say that in baseball there’s sometimes the best players on bad teams that don’t go anywhere which is why teams try to trade them for like boat load of prospects to start over. Angels really haven’t been to the playoffs since 2014 and they got 2 of the top players and still haven’t went anywhere.

@@corbencarter-dixon5758 wouldn't it make sense to trade trout between the two considering ohtani is the superior player or is it bc hes locked in long term contract?

@@daebak7370 Well tbh in my opinion Trout could’ve walked or got traded a long time ago but because Trout got signed to that 12yr $426M contract (fully guaranteed) it’s going to be hard to trade him because it’s going to be hard for a team to take on that contract

He’s the only reason why the angels have fans in the seats everyday…I have been a fan all my life and I’ve never seen the stadium as full as I have these last few seasons…if they get rid of him now attendance will be at 20-25 % capacity compared to the 75-100% it is now….you have to be retared to trade your ticket getter for prospects that will be worth nothing …I would rather have faith we compete these next few months and make the playoffs and convince him he should stay

@@brandonfernandez1981 it’s not about convincing him at all. It’s about the Angles having the money and willingness to spend it on 1 player, 2 if you want to be technical about it lol. For me, if I was the Angles, I would sign him. Money be dammed, like you said, he packs the house, who won’t buy his jersey? He is a money making machine.

I feel you on this but realistically even if my Astros or rangers get him, it’s only a rental Dude is going to dodgers mariners Mets or Yankees that’s the bottom line

I wish he'd come to the Mariners, but that ship is not going anywhere. I guess if he wants to stay in SoCal, the Dodgers would be better team for him than staying in Anaheim.

@@NK-qx6kk I always see him as a guy who prioritizes his family first before baseball so he’d really want to stick around the West Coast.

​@@rcvillapandowhat family? He is single. Your making up stuff

@@phuckfumassters parents and countrymen

The Angels will try to resign him. Why would they trade him? The media desperately wants to get him away from the Angels and to play for the Yankees or Dodgers... how boring is that? I loved how players used to stick with one team like Ripken/O's, Gwynn/Pads, Brett/Royals, Yount/Brewers, etc. Thank God none of them got traded to the Yankees.

The angels already have a curse on them lol

coz Baseball is much more technical , basketball is like more a mindless game fit for this mindless people of espn

​@@ramcisvillarey5816lol or it's just boring AF.

Who!? The Power Rangers!? 🤣🤣

Except when was the last time the Knicks had the two best players in the game?

I think I would be willing to trade Fried and Money Mike with some picks and PTBNLs for Ohtani.

That would be straight up unfair if the Braves got Ohtani

They have no prospects to give.

@@CalvinHavenerFried and Michael Harris for 2 months of Ohtani?? Are you insane?

@@tylerpifer5966 Fried is leaving at the end of the year. Harris is the trade chip to get Ohtani who would push the Braves to the WS. Should they make the trade and go, Ohtani stays in Atlanta.

You're right on the money. There's zero incentive for the Angels to trade Ohtani. 1) They'd be throwing in the towel on a season where they're over .500 and have a shot at the postseason. 2) They'd lose the fanbase who will stop showing up to the games. 3) They'd lose millions on sponsorships and merchandising. 4) They'd lose any possibility of resigning Ohtani.

??? No

he wants to resign with the Angels

@@JesseWill they don’t know if he’s leaving or not. He said he loves the area. It’s like DAME in Portland, he’s too good for such a horrible team.

What’s wrong with Santa Ana?

@@cjdavalos - Not a thing. When SAS is in LA, he likes to go out in LA. He's not going to Anaheim.

He says LA. The Angels don't play there. He doenst know what he's talking about. Saying nobody cares when they draw 3 million fans every year with a losing team...

Uh, you do understand that he'd drive past Angels stadium if he were going to Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, San Clemente, etc. Not sure why you assume he'd be going to Santa Ana?

@@ClockworkOrangeABC- I understand. I'm assuming he doesn't leave LA when he's working. Also, not everyone would cut through Anaheim to get to those destinations.

Atlanta would have to give up Spencer Strider and Michael Harris

You get it.

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The owner's hands are tied. If he trades Ohtani for 'something,' he'll get shelled by the media and fanbase. It would have to be a respectable haul like what Cincinnati got from the Mariners for Castillo. I doubt any team's giving the Angels much for 2 months of control.

Ohtani Agent say no extension after the season end. That mean his walking to free agent.

@shotimedodgersfans3106 the players decision at the end of the day. Half a billion plus would be hard to say no to. Even for the greatest player on earth.

I heard Tom Brady was singing with them as well. Also Michael Jordan