Stephen Fry On Brexit, Musk, Twitter & Labour Govt 

Its not the press that are the problem.

Serfs

The party with the KGB agent was after the NATO meeting to discuss the Salisbury poisonings, with Bonking Bozo having skipped his security detail. That pisses me off as I went to school, worked and played sport in Salisbury. I played cricket in Amesbury which is where the lady who died came from. A police officer was invalided out of the force.

I agree but I also feel angry with the public who continue to allow themselves to become supplicants of the right wing press. There is a part of me that feels that we deserve what we get. When will we stop allowing ourselves to become victims? Cutting off our noses to spite our faces!

@@stewartmackay Yes it is.

Stephen Fry is always so natural and thoughtful. That bit about how he doesn't like to take advantage of his huge following because it wouldn't be fair is typical. He and Marr (whom I'm not so impressed with) agree that Starmer seems normal when just conversing (despite that appalling nasal drone). I do feel there is some residual remnants of that trait visible occasionally. But when the politician takes over, he's terrible, in tone and content. I think he's been very badly advised and the politician in him has been corrupted absolutely and irretrievably. Without that, he wouldn't have won the leadership. That thing with Gray and McSweeney was very telling. He chose the dark side. Things will not get better.

Definitely my opinion he has a media personality and a non media one.

This Government doesn't have rose-cloured spectacles, unlike some content creators.

100% agree with you

It was entirely predictable and entirely predicted.

@@wildwizard8884 What? That people wanted a quick fix?

Yes a quick fix is not going to happen and if you junk Labour.......you wont get any fix at all 🤔

100%…nobody understands how long change actually takes…you need to break a few eggs and all that!

Why can't a British government save farming? Are you suggesting that the British are useless?

​@@adrianchetwynd1334 There are more important things to save than the farming industry. LIKE THE NHS FOR INSTANCE.

Only 17.4 million are useless ​@@adrianchetwynd1334

If it was only that easy my friend, if starmer concentrated on Brexit nothing else would get done!.

@@brianferguson7840 Why can’t the British government save the NHS? Are the British useless?

Kinda right, but there is a sheople effect, and folk dont change their positions easily once they let a lie help them to decide. Facts or no facts.

Talking about approval ratings like there's an election in 6 months . . . . jokers.

Maybe. Maybe not. John Major wasn't long into his first elected term when the UK was ejected from the ERM. From that point he was a metaphorical dead man walking, although it was some years before the 1997 election. Never recovered. I get the sense now that an awful lot rests on the upcoming budget. If it goes down badly, or worse, there's one (or more) clangers they might find themselves in a similar place.

There will be a LOT of local council elections well before 5 years are up. I wonder how many council seats Labour will lose to Reform?

Nice to hear from anglophiles.❤❤❤😊😊 Often, when I make a visit to rejoiner RU-vid channels, I get attacked by people who claim to be ex-anglophiles. They call me a cherry 🍒 picker and arrogant for wishing to rejoin. I wasn't allowed to vote to remain as I live in the EU but was badly affected by it. I don't care for nationalism or, to be honest, the concept of nation states in Europe. I think the EU is the right direction for all countries to go. Less nationalism and more freedom and sharing of cultures.

@@oceanscene22 It cannot work and it won't work, though that hasn't stopped the EU's political conquest of its member states by stealth. Right now it is working on fiscal union, in advance of economic union, in advance of political unification. Once the federal government has installed itself, through the simple expedient of stealing fiscal policy, economic policy and foreign policy from democratically elected national governments, no electorate will ever be able to vote the federal government into or out of office - end of democracy in Europe. The government in Brussels will simply self-perpetuate, like the European Commission does now. So right now there are four possible ways in which the European Union could collapse, all of which the EU is heading straight for, due to its own arrogance and megalomaniac stupidity: 1. Revolt by its member states' politicians, for example against fixed migrant quotas. Poland, Hungary and the Netherlands have already told the EU to get stuffed on this issue, while Germany has unilaterally re-introduced border controls. 2. Revolt by its member states' peoples, against the imposition of a federal government they can never vote into or out of office (see above). There is absolutely no democratic mandate for this, but the EU wants economic union, the final stepping stone before political union, complete by 2027. This could lead to rioting, violence and wars of independence. 3. War with Russia. Lisbon Treaty Article 42 commits member states to the military defence of a member state under attack. And the EU wants Ukraine in by 2030. 4. The Islamification of Europe, orchestrated by the European Union (per the Euro-Mediterranean Project, in effect since 2010). These are all coming straight down the track, and one or more of these will cause the demise of the EU within the next few years. The EU is a dead man walking.

@@oceanscene22 "as I live in the EU " If so, stop whining!

@@marinusvosPesky Russian bots. Same stock phrases 'quit whining'. Lol.

@@oceanscene22 So everyone you disagree with is a Russian bot? I am an EU citizen and I hope my country vetoes the UK membership application(s) untill the year 3535, if man is still alive!

I'm going to assume Stephen had to deal with bigotry his life. He's smart and moral enough to know it's messed up.

Stephen Fry is a realist, he says it how it is. He has money, is politically left wing and doesn't recieve money for stating his opinions. And by the way he is intelligent, moral, and a really decent chap. Pity more MPs aren't like him.

@@paulbird3235 Yeah agreed, but I meant it more like this: Look at this age. He's a culturally liberal gay theatre bloke who has lived in a country that - for most of his life - thought people like him were mentally ill. For perspective, Turing - a war hero - died three years before Fry was born and he offed himself due to his treatment due to his sexuality. He's a realist but I'm going to assume he has his fair share of experience too.

He is coming down on the side of self-delusion, like the other 16 million Remainers.

One of my favourite human beings :D

She's not a egg, she's a human bean.

Liz Webster continues to lie by omission.

@@SJG-nr8uj care to fill in the blanks

@@SJG-nr8uj ffs

@@verystripeyzebra The European Union is happy to do so. You will notice that Liz Webster never mentions anything about any of this. All she's ever interested in is the fatness of her own wallet. 1. THE EU’s FEDERAL INTENTIONS (ie. to make one big country) Lisbon Treaty Article 3.4: “The Union shall establish an ECONOMIC and monetary UNION whose currency is the euro.” EU Five Presidents’ Report, 2015: “Progress MUST HAPPEN on four fronts: first, towards a genuine ECONOMIC UNION that ensures each economy has the structural features to prosper within the Monetary Union. Second, towards a FINANCIAL UNION that guarantees the integrity of our currency across the Monetary Union and increases risk-sharing with the private sector. This means completing the Banking Union and accelerating the Capital Markets Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union. Third, towards a FISCAL UNION that delivers both fiscal sustainability and fiscal stabilisation. And finally, towards a POLITICAL UNION that provides the foundation for all of the above through genuine democratic accountability, legitimacy and institutional strengthening.” Angela Merkel’s immediate response to the referendum result, 24th June 2016: “Today is a watershed moment for Europe, and it is a watershed moment for the EUROPEAN UNIFICATION PROCESS. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe, and to the EUROPEAN UNIFICATION PROCESS.” EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017: “Working towards COMPLETING the ECONOMIC and monetary UNION” (with a preferred deadline for completion of 2027). ECB’s ‘Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package’ 2020. “The way that the EU has responded to the crisis also has implications for the future design and implementation of the EUROPEAN GOVERNANCE FRAMEWORK. First, while expansionary fiscal policy is necessary to sustain the recovery, going forward it will be important for the fiscal rules to effectively support the reduction of high government debt in good economic times. Second, NGEU constitutes a new and innovative element of the EUROPEAN FISCAL FRAMEWORK. It will result in the issuance of sizeable supranational debt over the coming years, and its establishment has signalled a political readiness to design a common fiscal tool when the need arises. This innovation, while a one-off, could also imply lessons for ECONOMIC and Monetary UNION, which still lacks a PERMANENT FISCAL CAPACITY AT SUPRANATIONAL LEVEL for macroeconomic stabilisation in deep crises. The review of the ECONOMIC GOVERNANCE FRAMEWORK, which was launched by the Commission in February 2020 and postponed because of the pandemic, provides a GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE THESE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS.” (NGEU stands for “Next Generation European Union”). From the EU’s own website: “Once the economic and financial crisis (of 2008/9) was overcome, the EU established a process aimed at reinforcing the architecture of EMU (ECONOMIC and monetary UNION). The process is based on the Five Presidents’ Report on Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union of 2015, which focused on four main issues: • A genuine ECONOMIC UNION; • A FINANCIAL UNION; • A FISCAL UNION; • A POLITICAL UNION. These four unions are STRICTLY INTER-RELATED and would develop in parallel. The report was followed by a series of communications, proposals and measures, and the discussion is still ongoing.” In 2022 all member states reaffirmed their commitment to economic union, as part of Lisbon Treaty Article 3. From the EU’s website (dated 29/4/24): “Today the Council adopted three pieces of legislation that will reform the EU’s ECONOMIC AND FISCAL GOVERNANCE FRAMEWORK. ‘The main objective of the reform is to ensure sound and sustainable public finances, while promoting sustainable and inclusive growth in all member states through reforms and investment. The new legislation will significantly improve the existing framework and provide effective and applicable rules for all EU countries. They will safeguard balanced and sustainable public finances, increase the focus on structural reforms and investments to spur growth and job creation throughout the EU. The time is now for a swift implementation’: Vincent Van Peteghem, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance of Belgium.” 2. THE EU’S MILITARY INTENTIONS Lisbon Treaty Article 42.3: “Member states shall make civilian and MILITARY capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy, to contribute to the objectives DEFINED BY THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL.” The EU’s military headquarters is the Kortenberg Building in Brussels. The EU Global Strategy, 30th June 2016, issued exactly one week after the referendum, contains the right of the EU’s military “to act autonomously (of NATO) if and when necessary”. It will need this, because, as you should know, Lisbon Treaty Article 42 commits member states to the defence of a member under attack. So if Ukraine is still under attack when it joins the EU, it will be the EU which is at war with Russia, not NATO. The defence of Ukraine doesn’t trigger the NATO charter. On 19th February 2019 Federica Mogherini told an audience in Hamburg: “... all the way through the security spectrum, up to the military operations, because not so many know that the European Union has seventeen deployed missions and operations around the world. So, together, we are already a unique global security provider.” I checked this figure recently. It now stands at twenty-one. On 23rd April 2019 the European Council issued its Military Command and Control Structures document, outlining its military command structure over member states’ land, sea and air forces. The diagram contained within reappears on the Wikipedia page for the Kortenberg Building, above. In September 2021 Ursula Von der Leyen said this: “But what we need is the European Defence Union. In the last weeks there have been many discussions on expeditionary forces. On what type and how many we need: battlegroups or EU entry forces. This is no doubt part of the debate - and I believe it will be part of the solution. But the more fundamental issue is why this has not worked in the past. You can have the most advanced forces in the world - but if you are never prepared to use them - of what use are they?” Last year the EU led joint military exercises in Spain. This is taken from the EU’s CSDP website: “The two-part MILEX 23 exercise commenced on 18 September and concluded on 22 October. The first part of this intense period was a 3-week planning phase by the MPCC in Brussels. In part two, this culminated in the EU’s first ever live military exercise from 16 - 22 October in Rota Naval Base, Cadiz, Spain. During Part 2, an EU Battlegroup-sized force carried out the Operational Plan developed by the MPCC in Part 1. Overall, 19 Member States contributed to MILEX 23.” (CSDP = Common Security and Defence Policy. MPCC = Military Planning and Conduct Capability). 3. Reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe - widely known and reported on, including Albania (hotbed of gangsterism and corruption), Serbia and Montenegro (both traditional allies of Russia), Moldova (part of it coveted by Russia), Ukraine (currently at war with Russia), Turkey (instantly the largest, most populous and poorest country in the EU upon joining) and several others, all of which will bring nothing but a begging bowl to the EU’s table. Oh, except for Ukraine, because, as above, Lisbon Treaty Article 42 commits member states to the military aid of a member under attack. So if Ukraine is still at war upon its accession the EU will be at war with Russia. 4. Unfettered migration into Europe from North Africa and the Middle East (the free movement of people was a secret part of the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, in effect since 2010, and signed between the EU and Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Israel, the Palestine Authority, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey). “Eurocrats do not consider (migration) to be a problem, but rather as a project”: Fabrice Leggeri, former Director of the European Border and Coastguard Agency (Frontex). "The European Union and all leaders of all European nations MUST USE IMMIGRATION to undermine the homogeneity and ethnic identity of the native European people no matter how difficult this will be to explain to the citizens of their nations. This must happen, THIS WILL HAPPEN for globalism to take hold of Europe" - Peter Sutherland speaking in the House of Lords in 2014. I have sent her this time and time again, all 100% accurate, verifiable, and set down in black and white in the EU's own treaties, documents and declarations. The EU comes as a package. She can't cherry-pick, as you well know. All this stuff is what we were heading for if we had voted Remain.

So, by isolation you obviously mean that Canada cannot survive and must become a part of the United States, New Zealand cannot survive and must become part of Australia, South Korea and Japan cannot survive and must become part of China, and Argentina cannot survive and must become part of Brazil. That is clearly what you are saying.

@SJG-nr8uj Of course we can "survive" the British isles has been here for millenia, but we're not running round in animal skins anymore, we had to adapt and evolve. That was most likely fought against by those who hated change. I'm talking about the same thing, adapting to a changing world or standing or fighting it. We will survive, but we should be aiming at prosperity for our people and the following generations.

ABSOLUTEMENT.

YESS.....

She is good.

GOOD ON YOU!. Musk will be the new Donald Trump MK11 edition

You are not alone - whilst his company's achievements in advancing space technology and popularising ev's cannot be denied, I no longer recognise the man. I have openly admitted to my family that on this I was wrong - and I actually feel shame in being duped. I generally don't do idol worship, and regard people saying that they are 'fans' of someone as displaying a weak mind and character, but I have used the word fan in the past regarding Musk on at least two occasions. My shame and embarassment are deep.

​@@wildwizard8884he's been a conman for years.

Even if that ever happens we will Never have the privileged status we used to Enjoy! Why are we so thick and arrogant as a nation?

@@rodneyshepherd9120 Were we really 'privileged'? Or was our exceptionalism indulged?

...... and none of us 27 (+) 🇪🇺 vetoing them .... 😂

As a British remainer, I totally agree.The British Tory Party did nothing but cause trouble while we were in Europe. And the right wing press poisoned the minds of the working class into despising Europe and it's people.

Rejoin EU? Difficult. Probably a union with Russia and Turkey is more appropriate. They share the EU hate.

I don't know if it could be fraud.

​@@mickrap6001Like Trump, he inherited a fortune from the father. Like Trump, he's not exactly an intellectual genius, else he wouldn't ruin his business if he starts to run it himself instead of good management running it.

​@@mickrap6001well, to an extent maybe, basically hyping up his products, over promising and under or not delivering. Building up a cult like following has boosted stick value, while taking huge government subsidies.

P.R.

Starmer's Labour is NOT Labour in any sense. I voted for them this time to help remove the Tories which was achieved with the help of tactical voters who ticked to box for whoever would oust the local Tory. But, I'll NEVER vote for Labour again in any election local or national where it doesn't risk ushering in another Tory government.

Ask Fry about the disapointment we of a certain age feel about how the internet turned out compared to what we imagined it could be in the eighties and nineties.

@@wildwizard8884disappointment. That is a good word to describe the feeling about the internet. It should have been expected. Mankind corrupts everything.

There was a very predictive black comedy film with James Coburn called the 'The President's Analyst" where the US and its people were controlled by the Phone Company. That's where we are globally

Farmers had it good , they were being subsidised by the EU. Paid for sitting on their backsides, that's why they love the EU .

@@yamyam3905 not much sitting about on a farm

​@@yamyam3905 You are projecting about sitting on one's backside.

@@marktutton4155 It's true . The EU were paying them to produce less , now they have to stand on their own 2 feet with no subsidise.

​@@yamyam3905 So why did they vote to leave the EU, that wasn't a very intelligent thing to do. I hope they've learnt from their mistake

Fry threatened to quit the Garrick Club if it didn't allow women to join. He's been a member of that club for years. What prompted him to speak out? A bit of media attention and the chance to grift.

@@geoffpoole483 Focusing on one singular event and imposing your own interpretation upon it. Well done. Do you have a comment relating to anything in my post? You may reattempt this at any time.

@@geoffpoole483 I myself used to get drunk in a Unionist club when I was a teenager. I was raised that way and didn't understand what and who they were. Have you ever made mistakes and then rectified them later?

Lying by omission.

Please stick to countries you know something about.

Well no surprise keir rodney plonker starmer is & always has been a tory

Unfortunately, the general British public probably will. And then when the local teachers and doctors are being shot against a wall, they will blame Labour.

Please stick to countries you know something about? Which country would that be?

Not forgetting David Cameron, who put party before country in pandering to the European ‘Research’ Group in calling a referendum.

@@clarecrawford9677Cameron is a coward and utter disgrace. He did more damage to this country than all our enemies did during WWII.

@@clarecrawford9677 Gordon Brown made our departure inevitable by signing the Lisbon Treaty without the required referendum. Please place the blame where it is due.

but he is worried.

I am now an Irish Citizen but still worry about the country that has been my home for 52 years and will be for another 8 .

Like it or not, it is how politics is funded. You think banning it will stop it, or will it drive it underground, undeclared and opaque. It needs a bit more thought.

Did they learn nothing in the days of cash for questions, duck houses, and moat cleaning expenses!. Greedy bar-stewards the lot of them!.

You think things are bad now? Try not servicing or paying your debts and I promise you you'll see just how good you had it when things were just bad.

French farmers have always protested.

I agree on everything but the WFP. They gave the right wing press the ammunition to shoot them down on this issue. A schoolboy error, from which they are still suffering now!

People voted Labour in the hope that honesty in govt would prevail. How can statements like building 1.5m new homes in 5 years ( calculating actual building days but excluding planning, infrastructure construction etc, that would be one new home finished every 2.5 minutes) help instil any confidence ?

@@carlkirk3467 The thing is can people afford these homes north of Watford, nothing is selling at the moment but old terrace houses. This market has been driven by high rent costs. It will be like HS2, only half will be built!. They seem to have forgotten one thing, you can't buy anything without money. 1.5m, not a chance!.

Grooaannnn. Labour have made one or two errors. Everything else is entirely concocted Tory client media bs

with the tories and refuk? putin, he paid these traitors to rip us out of the eu.

Stop with this conspiracy nonsense. It’s embarrassing

She was indeed until she decided to protect the Falklands.