Steve has been doing BJJ for a hundred years…there’s no shot his injuries are ONLY from kettlebells and not BJJ. As someone who does both BJJ and kettlebells I can promise you BJJ puts my body through way more than any of my KB workouts. To blame all his injuries on using bells is very narrow minded…I also agree that he sounds jealous and a little bitter when I hear him talk lately.
BJJ black belt here and I agree. Never had knee surgery from KBs. I love the combination of KBs and BJJ. Gotta train safe with both, just like anything else.
Wow, Maxwell got OLD, eh!? On topic though: I think he (Steve) is being kinda intellectually dishonest. He's been living a "high speed" lifestyle for a long time (coming up as a wrestler, playing BJJ for decades, doing a bunch of S&C stuff on top, and traveling constantly for years and years).... To then blame one tool for certain issues... eh, idk about that one. A high volume of repetitive calisthenics, plus all that mat time had NOTHING to do with anything, huh? I remember like 7-8 years ago he talked about how pursuing more advanced GST skills was "chasing party tricks", and that proper strength training would be to "simply keep adding weight to the chin-up". Personally, I think "pattern overload", which Paul Chek (think of him what you will) talks about, is a real thing. Ido Portal basically says the same thing, talking about the price of specialization as a generalist animal. To me it looks like Steve wrote a check, again and again, that at some point his a$$ couldn't cash any longer - and now he's going on bitter rants as a cope.
I love Maxwells body weight workouts, but I also have used kettlebells since 2004. I was stationed in Germany and met some dudes who use them and I fell in love with them. I am now late 40s and still use my kettlebells 5-6 days a week and I feel great.
Kind of same boat was stationed at Maguire in Jersey trained out of Cherry Hill. That’s when Maxwell had his gym downtown Philly. It was about 2003 when I started getting into kettle bells because of him.
TGU is all about keeping young. Falling and not being able to get up is one of the reasons people end up in old people homes or dead. I find the TGU as insurance as I get older. I like the kettlebells. I can have a few and I do not need much else to get a bad ass workout with very little space needed. And no gym membership. Saves me time, space and money. They are a win win
If his shoulder got hurt, it was highly likely compromised during bench-press. Mark Wildman mentioned that effect in one of his, I'd say circus video, where he was showing single arm KB press while having his back on a bosu ball (watch the video for safety tips) Generally, if you got hurt by the exercise, chances are that you are doing it wrong or not ready for it. Same Mark Wildman emphasizes gradual plan of introducing new KB movements. And plans for increasing weights too.
And that’s why this is the best Kettlebell RU-vid channel in the world. I love this channel for that reason and because Kettlebells is all I use and I will use Kettlebell’s for life 💪🏼
I had more injuries when I was doing calisthenics to be honest. A lot of tendinitis and joint issues. Kettlebells have given me less problems than any other training I’ve done and I’m 50.
It all comes down to a couple of factors imo: 1. How we train 2. How much we load the movement 3. How our bodies are built 4. Personal preferences If some folks don't click with kettlebells, that's totally fine! It's stupid however to claim, that just because the implement got you hurt, that it will "destroy" anybody who's picking it up.
Pavel and Du Cane resurrected the KB in the west. Maxwell and Cotter were the next in line. The Turkish-get-up is great as a full body conditioning exercise like Burpees. It can be done w/ many implements. I used to 100 w/ an 80 lbs. sandbag. I think you hit the truth. The injuries Maxwell suffered during his time using KBs was a result of his training not the KBs.
Steve is a very confused individual. I watched a KB instructional video of him in the squat position swinging a towel with a KB attached to it around his head while waddling around. I'm not surprised this guy got a shoulder injury. lol
It blows my mind to see actual men and women from around the world continue to get fantastic results from kettlebells and achieve the fitness goals they were looking for yet see these kind of yahoos and that one quack TedTalk doctor still bash kettlebells. At this point they have some sort of agenda. Either they’re selling or getting kickbacks from some competing product/modal or see kettlebells as a threat to a fitness or training program that they selling (see: Rippetoe, Mark). It’s rare to see people actually indiscriminately and candidly want to help others regardless of the tool or program they prefer, as long as they get RESULTS.
I have been training with kettlebells since 2009 and have never gotten injured outside of one pulled muscle. Training jiu jitsu i have had more knee and shoulder injuries then i would care to admit.
I have been around the game awhile and would like to comment on this as I was once an avid kettlebeller myself. Let me say I do agree with Steve and here is why: First , its not the kettlebell itself causing injuries/potential harm. Its the ballistic moves. I have seen women and men get hurt doing deadlifts, powerlifting with barbells. If you are squatting heavy(and that depends on your frame) but an average guy squatting with say 250 lbs will put a lot of strain on your lower back. THats why with heavy weight you want to do a split squat. Also, when doing ballistic exercises with Kettlebells(as thats the topic) swings, snatches, cleans, etc... Even with perfect technique there will come a time and it will add up, your lower back will take a hit. And when people go with two kettlebells and start doing those exercises that point in time where you will damage your lower back comes quicker. Now as you get older and your spine gets older that point comes even faster. Something to consider. Doesn't have to be kettlebells, any powerlift, ballistic move. ALso, need to remember as we get older and father time catches up we need to spend more time on flexibility and mobility. Just some thoughts...
We have been working with hundreds of clients; most of them over 50. No issues with the ballistics whatsoever. Your last sentence is exactly the reason why folks should pick up kettlebells on a regular.
For Jay Vincent (the interviewer), the only thing that works is HIT, which happens to be what he is selling. Anything else will cause you injuries. so I wouldn't bet on his opinion on this
Everyone got into Kettlebells from Pavel, but I got into kettlebells from the pitbull Andrei Arlovski because I read an interview in a martial arts magazine where he said he doesn't run so much but uses the kettlebell. I hated running as a fighter and thought what is that? Than later I discovered Pavel when I was doing it wrong. And now LS.
I use Jay's program and principles, and listed to the interview. You make good points. If your goal is building muscle, Jay's HIT methods are excellent, as he suggests using the weights for your muscles instead of the other way around. Going slow and controlled to fatigue the muscle. Overall fitness is more than just building muscle. Strength, endurance, mobility, flexibility, food, internally, etc are all part of it. I enjoy kettlebells, but dont use it for muscle building, but other functional aspects, as i enjoy it. Its necessary when having a desk job. It helps with my lower back issues and negates the need for deadlifts (which ruin my back) to improve glutes and hamstrings. As you mentioned, i think ths problem is more with people using too heavy of weights. Jay points this out in other videos with Olympic lifting, and how unless you are an Olympic lifter, its dangerous for the average person. What is in common? People using too heavy of weights with poor technique. I injured myself with kettlebells doing that before. It wasnt the kettlebell, it was me. I like Jay's program for muscle building, i like Lebe's material for other fitness aspects. Both can be good at the same time. Where Jay and Steve are wrong, is completely writing it off.
Wow dumbest 😢 wow shocked at that comment sad 😢 kettlebell s best 😅 I am 67 years old strongest I’ve ever been .on your videos Gregory will never give kettlebell s up
Wait, Maxwell's pushup board & body brush didn’t stave off the effects of KBs? I'll tell you, Steve's a hell of a nice guy in person. Everything else is marketing. Being the S&C coach for Royce in ufc 1 doesn't mean you're the best. It means you were thought to be the best while at the right place & time. Aside from getting in with Pavel early that is his only real claim to fame. Go look at Steve's record. Please tell me all the champs he produced despite having basically the first bjj gym on the East Coast. No one speaks of Maxwell like other bjj trainers bc he isn't that good. He's black belt good, but there's levels. You don't wanna hear the inside baseball on his actual abilities. For a small guy, Steve is a gifted athlete. He is pretty smart but also not known to be the best of the best inside the inner circles.
Sprinting and athletics is my thing, with the view that healthiness is important for higher levels of athleticism. Infrequent kb lifting with the major emphasis on "sport style" is what I consider best general conditioning for efficiency here. In my view, highest power is much better trained other ways, but to me, some of the things that make the "using least tension necessary"methods a real boon are 1) training the nervous system as focus with a view to getting more output for less effort and reducing "noise" 2) similarly for higher output aerobically and lactate-wise (metabolic conditioning) and cardiovascular output 3) coordination pluses, more efficiently handling arcing movements 4) time-efficiency! 5) to return to the strength and power issue, I do think because of the neural-kinesiological benefits to this, you maybe actually indirectly enable higher power and strength too (a la Valery Fedorenko). I didn't watch the video but just wanted to share a few personal thoughts. It's important to mention Valery Fedorenko in the western history of kb, too. He has his channel geared on kb fitness for truck drivers. He's very much been for general exercise this way for people interested in kettlebells but not being competitive athletes. Nothing ill-meant here..nothing wrong with doing any exercise wisely! I myself did some heavy one arm swings with a 48 and 40 on my hand and wrist. I think a lot of peeps do things like that sometimes, even if not their usual! Valery was doing heavy flips himself recently..All the best!
I love kettlebells. If u have a reasonable technique using 16 _20kg kb is excellent. And injury can be prevented if weights are modrrate....at least i am still in 1 piece and frequently use it since the pandemic..
So i listened to your response here and you covered some great points and i think there are even more that could be covered. I had listened to Steve's interview on Jays podcast and another he did similar with someone else and i was disappointed in the direction he's decided to pursue. Not in his training program but in his ethical choices on how he is presenting himself. For instance, you had Dan John on and you asked Dan about Steve's attack on Dab about his injuries and Dan pointed out that Steve was aware that Dan had congenital problems and was disingenuous about his comments. In the past i always listened to Steve's interviews on Rogan and London Real, he always had interesting input and had been around in a wide variety of sports and training modalities. But like you pointed out when he decided to basically market Isometrics and HIT training as his training program he seemed to come to a fork in the road with his ethics, he could have just embraced his new training and explained that he thought it was a safe and efficient way of training, instead, he felt the need to attack not only his previous training programs but also individuals like Pavel and Dan John just to name a few, and i thought it was very low class of him. There have always been factions in HIT training also, on one hand, Coaches at even high levels just doing their own thing, and others similar to Steve and Jay who feel the need to attack everyone else if you aren't following what they consider the " Holy Grail" of HIT training which of course they have the " secrets" too. It's really disappointing and i doubt if you hear from Steve he seems to be more about making statements to people that will agree with him opposed to debate him. I just think it''s sad.
....and maybe in you last comment there, is the reason why he is ignoring calls from Gregory to come on his podcast because he knows he will get challenged.
If kettlebell sport is dumb, same goes for every weightlifting sport, strongman sport, etc. Very very childish statement from 2 ignorant "professionals".
1. Pavel, and probably more importantly, John DuCane popularized kettlebells in America, which led to their global resurgence. 2. there are infinitely more people who have trained with kettlebells longer and more intensely than him, all GS athletes, Steve Cotter, etc.and Pavel, etc. etc. without injury 3. Criticizing GS is just absurd, and not worthy of comment. 4. Markov, Vasilev, Rudnev, etc. are all incredible, versatile athletes. 5. Regarding muscle twitch I have no idea, but generally Pavel doesn't say anything these days without some solid evidence for it. But anecdotally, Steve Cotter used to do pistol squats off of and onto a table. You can't be much more explosive than that. 6. OMG about hypertrophy and the kettlebell not "doing anything for them", please, look at Denis Vasilev without a shirt on. 7. Regarding carryover, you're right Gregory, but there are numerous accounts of people performing better in other sports or exercises only from kettlbell lifting. In Strong First they call it the "what the hell effect." I was on the DD forum from the beginning of kettlebells, and used to read all of Steve Maxwells posts. His comments here are nonsense. And Gregory you are right, I believe he is very jealous. When Pavel left RKC and changed his program a lot of people were left behind and had a lot to say. I haven't heard everyone's side of the story, and I am sure a lot of it is justifed. Pavel and DuCane became very wealthy (I assume) and Maxwell seems very jealous. Great video Gregory. This one fired me up since I remember the old days on the forum, and I have a great respect for Pavel. He was exceptionally generous to me once when he didn't have to be. I am doing GS style now, but am grateful to Pavel. Great stuff Gregory!!
To be fair, Vasilev did bodybuilding before getting into GS, but I agree with you. What matters is your program and intentions. Even the Great Gama looked like an oak tree, and as strong as one, from doing high rep body weight squats, high rep dand pushups, mace swings, and lots of wrestling. I read an old 1950’s article by Earle Leiderman where he talked about this bodybuilder named Henry Lenz that couldn’t seem to grow his legs very much until he heard about the Great Gama’s training routine, so he decided to replace barbell training and start doing high rep Hindu squats and they grew his legs to 27 inches. (Leiderman notes that he should’ve just done higher rep barbell squats, or both together, for efficient growth and more pronounced muscle separation, and also notes that if the Indian wrestlers were to include barbell training along with their high rep Hindu squats, their legs would be really massive, but figures the Indians didn’t want them to be that big, and favored the muscle endurance for wrestling. The point here though is that hypertrophy was gained without weight, so I don’t understand why people think hypertrophy is suddenly lacking with kettlebells.) And it pisses me off that Steve is bashing GS unprovoked. I’m really new to it myself, like 2 weeks into it new, but following Vasilev’s advice about going light first to learn technique, I decided to try LC with 12kg and was gassed and fatigued in 5 minutes. I got better at my technique and the third attempt I completed 10 minutes. I already dread trying to do LC with 24s and 32s, and no, these two are way off in regards to their ignorant comments about “what do you do after 32s?” These Russians have to keep practicing just to maintain 32s at a high level. Sure, they could go up to 40s, and some have, but they can only complete 20-25 reps before having to give up.
@@duchaneaux great comments. I started training with Denis at the beginning of this year after 20 years of hardstyle style training. I cannot believe how hard kettlebell sport is physically and mentally. 10 minute long cycle with 16’s was brutal. I can’t even imagine 32’s. My point about Denis and others physique was that they clearly get bigger and stronger with kettlebells.
Desde España, simplemente decirte que me intristece mucho, oir estás cosas de Steven ya que para mí fue un referente. Y no puedo estar más de acuerdo contigo en lo que dices. No hay nada malo si.se sabe usar adecuadamente. Sigue así difundiendo tan buena información Muchas gracias 🙏
With proper technique . Kettlebell exercise is totally fine . I used to have shoulder pain when did dumbell press because my shoulder abduct too much but when i use kettllebell instead and start from rack position . I dont have shoulder pain anymore 😅 then i use kettebell much more than dumbell. From kb press to kb swing , kb snatch , kb overhead squat etc etc . At last i use only barbell and kb no dumbell anymore and have less injury (to none)
Interesting enough I got into Kettle bells from Steve back around 98/2000 when I was also getting into BJJ. I have trained with him in BJJ and visited his gym and academy Maxercise over in Philly. He used to put us through come crazy circuits with body weight, KB, Sand Bags, Maces etc. So it's so weird hearing him bad mouth KB today. Also you are 100% right about injuries from BJJ might be me more of a factor. Not only was he teaching he was competing at a high level at the time as well
Personally I tried kettlebells and they weren't for me and of course did the weights for years. I I actually came across Maxwell's methods back in 1999-2000 when KBs were really making a mark on the landscape. I spent a bit of time on the Dragon Door forums around the 2003-2005 or '06 period. I also remember around that time aside from DD I was also following and doing workouts from RossBoxing, Working Class Fitness (Ziggy) Zach Even-Ish and Wayne "Scrapper" Fisher. Also trying some CrossFit workouts then as well. Now, I just stick with basic bodyweight movements and hit the heavy bag and skip rope and keep it intense but simple and look forward to each workout. Additionally, I am no longer any part of groups, forums, no gyms etc and happy that way. While Maxwell is controversial to many and I haven't agreed with many of his points, he is still a treasure trove of information and has contributed a lot.
Agree! Maybe you can try give kettlebells a shot again? They‘re a powerhouse combined with bodyweight! Maybe give some of our workouts a shot.. We use a different approach.
This is like the WHS baseline exam some companies do to new staff. They don't want to see if you are physically capable. They want to know how your eyes, hearing, mobility is, so if you come to the, 10 years later and say "my hearing is going because of this job" then can test and then also ask, and what about the monthly concerts and weekly nightclubs you went to.... Saying X activity did Y result after 10 years to the exclusion of ever other thing you did Steve, is a big call and requires evidence.
Hey Gregory, I love that you invite discourse and discussion about training techniques. You seem to be an open minded and thoughtful individual who is more concerned with learning, than about being "right." That, my friend is a rare commodity in today's world, both socially and especially politically. THAT is true humility, Touche, my friend. Keep up the good work! Cheers- Craig
I can see ruffled some feathers since this is a kettlebell channel but the main message from Steve is that basically 'everything works'. Doesn't matter if it's crossfit, olympic lifting, kettlebells, powerlifting, strength machines....etc. -What Steve has realized after 50+ years of training every program is that 'everything works' but all programs are have a different degree of safety margins associated with them. So if we know that then we need to ask the question "why are you training?". Is it for a sport or are you training just for exercise benefits(health and longevity with the lowest risks of injury)? -Steve is just saying that doing things like crossfit, olympic lifting, kettlebells for just exercise have added risks since these are skilled movement(sports) in themselves that require higher degrees of skill to perform the movements and have more variables at play. He is saying you should only train in these modalities if you are trying to compete in them(for recreation, pro or whatever). If you want just exercise for health longevity then concentrating on low risk movements for form/intensity/time under load is the safest way. -Steve has also stated that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is for recreation/sport and has risks like kettlebells or crossfit..etc and would be high risk for just exercise. Steve just happens to think sports like crossfit or kettlebells are stupid but thats an opinion just like you might think Brazilian jiu-jitsu is stupid(though to be fair Brazilian jiu-jitsu would be more useful in some serious scenarios like an attacker).
I'm a jiu-jitsu blackbelt, been doing it 25 years all across the country and I've never heard of Steve Maxwell. So he's definitely not one of the most famous jiu-jitsu coaches out there.
He might not be well known now, but he was I think one of the first black belts outside of Brazil and at least in his day was known as one of the better coaches. And he did teach a lot of people about kettlebells and he was certifying trainers as well. Imagine being one of those accredited trainers now😮 this is all why it’s so…disappointing the approach he’s taken in recent times.
Steve Maxwell says that they're dangerous and lead to injury. Here's the thing, when I was doing conventional weight training for around a decade I always had aches and little injuries going on. Since I've switched to just kettlebells and bodyweight I have no aches in my joints and no injuries. Why is that? It's because KBs doing load the joints, they consist mostly of fluid movements that are healthy for muscles and joints. I personally do 4-5 circuits of 4 sets and this takes me around 20 minutes. No pain no injuries and I'm 47. I've been doing KBs for a decade now. Steve messed himself up because he overdid it is all. You can do that with anything. I use KBs because they've been the most time effective for me, and give me the best results; good strength and cardio also. When I was doing bodybuilding I'd workout around 4-6 hours a week, but with KBs I do around an hour a week and am in much better shape 20 odd years later. Dorian Yates recommendeds them and he is the Einstein of bodybuilding. Nuff said! I think Steve is disgruntled because a kettlebell took his teeth out.
No piece of equipment is dangerous... People are dangerous. Smith machines are fine... Unless you load it with 400lb and it slams you face first in to a badly placed bench and snaps your neck in front of your kid {true story) The levels of ignorance on all aspects of fitness on YT is astounding. How YT even allows it to go unchecked is even more astounding
I have multiple certs under Steve and he knows full well that he's primarily talking about two groups: Girevoy sport and the "strong before anything else" group. These 2 groups injure lots of people because they overtrain kettlebell movements instead of making them a part of the training. LOTS of people got hurt with the Secret Service snatch test and Viking Warrior Conditioning back in the day because it was too much volume on the shoulders. Lots of guys that picked up KBs in the 30-50s tried to do long cycle with 2x32kg and hurt their backs. Steve went to Russia and found out Girevoy sport wasn't what marketing to Westerners said it was and made changes to his material after that. Steve had some of the best KB material anywhere and now he's trashing his reputation in the that area and stabbing in the back all who got certed through him. He has an obligation to those who trained. This is sad to see.
I'd add - KB training has healed my elbow pains and regular swings and snatches keeps my hamstrings loose which protects my already damaged back. To use the word "destroy" - not sure where hes coming from. How is Steve Cotter (legend) holding up? 😂
All physical endeavour comes with risk, a price. The question is does the Mentzer type approach actually work, how does it work, what does it address, is it safer? Is the ultimate expression super slow or is that a failed attempt to eliminate risk? I suspect that in relative terms, kettlebells could well be more harmful than some other systems, but proving that is a different matter. Bear in mind that not exercising is likely far more dangerous.
At least 7 videos that have kettlebells in his store section on Steve Maxwell's OFFICAL website. I scrolled to the bottom of the page, and it says 2024 all rights reserved.@@lebe-stark
It is on his official website. Look into the store section. There are at least seven videos about or using kettlebells. Edit: I made another comment, because my other post did not show up.@@lebe-stark
Hello Coach Gregory! I love your content & feel that you're one of the top fitness/exercise professionals around. You're a likeable guy that communicates ideas in a very - clear - concise & relatable way - which really helps the learning process. Steve Maxwell used to be my Jujitsu instructor way back in the mid 1990's. His gym was named "Maxercise" & located in Center City Philadelphia. Back then he was a huge proponent of a type of resistance training protocol labeled as "super slow training" - it was all performed on Nautilus type gym machines. I think this was well before kettlebells were "mainstream" here in the USA. Maxwell seemed to have it together but was always a bit of a "character" even way back then as I recall (lol). Anyways...I have a specific kettlebell "cardio" swing related programing question that I'm hoping you'll answer. I'm 50 years old & I've just somewhat recently returned to working out. I'm currently cycling a "minimalist" 3 exercise - push - pull - squat - randomized set volume strength training routine - 3 days a week. I've been occasionally including a small amount of kb swings at the end of my routine - just to practice & become proficient at the movement. Lately I've been kicking around the idea of adding 2 to 3 - 20+ minute - kettlebell swing cardio sessions a week to my regimen for additional fat loss & conditioning purposes. I'd like to minimize my risk of over training/burnout - especially because I'm presently eating in a caloric deficit. The structured 1 & 2 handed kb swing workout protocol that I have in mind is the program from a book written by Kathy Reifkind called "The Swing" (I believe you mentioned her in some way - in a past video if I recall correctly). Oddly enough - I randomly came across her book the other day while browsing around in my local second hand/thrift store for only $3! I just couldn't pass it up. Assuming this is all a "good" idea to begin with - should I perform these 20+ minute "cardio" kettlebell swing fat loss sessions on the same day as my "regular" strength training - or perform them on some of my scheduled "off" days? What would most likely be the best way to go in your expert opinion? Thank you Coach Gregory & best wishes!
Hey Gregory, I think I know where Steve's change of mind come from. He's is now a believer of HIT (not HIIT) based around super slow tempo training. Check Dr Doug McGouff and trainer Drew Baye, they are basically opposed to any explosive movements, since their argument is that you get the same benefits by working to failiure (and only one set per movement pattern) with slow reps without the risk of injury from explosive movements.
Keep working and don't worry about imbalance. Life is an imbalance; human beings aren't perfectly balanced. There is a strenghtening effect for your opposite shoulder too, if you keep working it. You got ths!
Kettlebells use a lot of twisting around the spine. Even swings, i tend to go down with it a bit more and not stop it at all set point where i see a lot of people stop because i feel extra shear on my back. Also i feel the stress on the shoulder when pressing overhead. The solution ive seen is inverting the grip which no one actually found except one person on youtube. There is also a lot of load on the spine doing beginning phase of turkish getup. The kettlebell is amazing below the waist, i think some contour of the kettlebell would eliminate the problem completely on the overhead press
I'm 66, I blew my shoulders out powerlifting when I was in my 30's, I did martial arts in my 20's and hurt my knee, injuries can happen in any sport. I do kettlebells, bulgarian bags, heavy clubs, steel mace. As I age, I have to adjust recovery time, weights, and watch my form more. But I can't agree with Maxwell. I agree one can get hurt with kettlebells like anything else. But we don't stop living and training because of risk. There are too many people benefiting from Kettlebells than to accept Maxwell's bitterness.
This guy provides no real evidence. Spewing all the Pavel Tsatsouline bullshit I used to subscribe to that gave me a fuckin' hip impingement. Maxwell's saved my body and inspired me to teach others to do the same.
@@lebe-stark Kettlebells to perform squats and deadlifts are very safe. Can't argue with that. But I wasn't referring to the tool itself. Perhaps I came across too harsh and you're a sincere person so let's reason together: ballistic movement with a heavy weight isn't something you should do over a long period of time. This should be discouraged in order to preserve the long term health of the athlete. When you're young, it's totally fine but there's an expiration date on cheese for a reason. I was young and dumb, too, but an accumulation of injuries led me to individuals like Steve Maxwell, who is still teaching BJJ classes and rolling at 71 without the use of explosive movements with kettlebells (or any explosive movement with a weighted tool). Steve Maxwell is a testament that practicing a skill is what can make an athlete explosive due to nueromuscular efficiency and not things like doing them with a kettlebell.
Thank you for your feedback! I fully agree that explosive exercises may not be necessary for everyone. Let's delve into this. I'd like to share a detailed perspective on my thought process because I believe your inquiry is genuine. Regarding explosiveness, referencing Dr. Yuri Verkhoshansky's teachings, implemented by Louis Simmons (RIP) from Westside Barbell, a crucial element for true explosiveness is a 0.15 seconds reaction time between muscle tension and relaxation (see www.westside-barbell.com/blogs/the-blog/how-to-develop-explosive-strength). Depth jumps closely align with this requirement, while kettlebells fall short. Although speed improvement seems possible with de-conditioned individuals, through kettlebell training, effective explosive training demands a solid base of strength, requiring caution to avoid injury. Concerning ballistics over extended periods, Prof. Stu McGill's study on kettlebell swing and snatch (PMID: 21997449) suggests that "superstiffness," as advocated by some, may irritate tissues in certain individuals. The "full tension" approach could challenge some spines. However, there's a broader perspective within the kettlebell world that Maxwell and Vincent might not fully grasp. My podcast (available here: ru-vid.com/show-UCi7jhPL_LyIr35mCUCdL3Mg) provides insights from kettlebell practitioners, athletes, scientists, and sports coaches worldwide. The "softer" or "hybrid" kettlebell approach, which I delve into, focuses on understanding the optimal moments between tension and relaxation, akin to martial arts. This approach offers benefits such as loosening the hips for enhanced flexibility, enabling indefinite work for strength endurance, restoring sprint-like joint capabilities, and promoting full bending of joints, particularly in the hips, to prevent sports injuries. I acknowledge that other tools can provide similar benefits, and one can achieve excellent fitness without kettlebells. It's essential to explore different approaches. While Steve Maxwell may have criticisms, a professional demeanor is crucial, and that's why I'm missing from both of the gentlemen in question who conducted this podcast in the first place. Feel free to reach out for further discussion or clarification.
Never gotten injured with a kettlebell. But I have with a barbell when I’ve deadlifted. Still wouldn’t say deadlifting is dangerous and no one should do it.
Kb sport is one of the hardest things. Snatch, Long Cycle, and Jerk for 10 minutes or more go beyond the physical aspect, it is mental as well. I dislike the fact that people believe that bodybuilding(going to the gym) is the only way possible to achieve health. I truly believe that it is possible to transfer the movements that you do on kb in your daily life.
I agree everything you said and maybe even disagree slightly about the bodybuilding. A lot of the time bodybuolding is not healthy at all. A lot of bodybuilders tend to have crap diets because of an obsession with protein and gains. They even may inject themselves with drugs to reach certain looks.
@@patrickokeeffe4787 I wasn't clear about the subject. I am Brazilian and bodybuilding is hyped right now. Fitness is strong on the internet, mainly on social media. One of the biggest bodybuilding RU-vid channels is Brazilian. Here, unfortunately, people believe that working out at the gym is the only way to be fit.
Just mastering the cardio respiratory part of kettlebell sport pays huge dividends. Gets your lactate threshold up very high. High VO2Max. Very good power endurance using fast twitch fibers. Translates directly to sprinting and running.
Maxwell was Pavels student. I was strong those guys back in the days and they were ego clashing nonstop it was insane and counter productive. Guess things don’t change
@@lebe-stark I did some training way back in the day. Old days before the forums. Pavel was also around Systema back then and it was clashing of egos more or less. I spent a lot of time with Bud Jeffries also(rip) he always told me none of them could agree on anything consistently. Bud told me he dang near walked out of RKC cause the instructors would treat him like a army recruit.
Wow! Knowing that you've spent time with Bud Jeffries warms and saddens my heart. I've followed him for years on IG and "witnessed" on his IG the tragic death of his son. Years later, I invited him on the podcast and he also confirmed! Unfortunately it didn't happen and I followed up a few days later.. Just to be met with the news, that he also tragically passed away.. Thanks for sharing this, brother! Bud was even in with the RKC stuff? What did he make of it? @@wraymcclamma4707
@@lebe-stark I met Bud and his family along with Denis Rogers and Mike Bruce after a strength event and went to eat pancakes with him. He invited me to his home the next day like we were besties. Noah was a week away from working with me at the Sheriffs office when he passed. The Jeffrey family was was some of the greatest people I’ve ever met. Bud liked the RKC system but he was never dogmatic or fanatical. I trained with several other Russians before I met Bud and he wanted me to teach him everything I learned and he would integrate anything he thought would work. I was in Buds strength magazine DVD one time teaching some stuff I Learned from different teachers around the world.
Thanks for sharing your story with Bud! This goes to show, how much of a class act he was. He wanted to learn everything, because he was pursuing truth and was obsessed with training/ strength etc. I strive to become a calibre like him; being able to ponder different thoughts and philosophies, without falling into the dogmatic/ tribalistic trap. Truly appreciate your feedback, man! Thank you! What’s your stance on kettlebells in general? 💪
Maxwell has always been a little weasel that was never really that good at them, so now he's old and bitter. But for BJJ, he would had been better off doing heavy sandbag training.
I used to appreciate the teachings steve maxwell had to give 10 years ago. nowadays he seems to become a fierce old man who pursues conspiracy theories...
RE: inefficient - barely effective -> For what? To build muscle to look like a bodybuilder? Agree. It's a generalist tool that can improve almost all aspects of physical qualities in a single workout. RE: dangerous -> Anything can be dangerous if not used properly or if load exceeds capacity. I get it however, f you're scared of it. If that's the case, stick to Zumba classes, brother.
Lebe your dealing with a caveman (who literally eats rocks by the looks of things) and a peanut head!! Well done for trying to put them right in their narrow views! Keep up the great work. All the best to one KB trainer from another 👍🏻
@@K_j_M not your ‘kid’ and I just don’t like someone being hypocritical. Hey you have your views which is fair enough and I have mine. Good luck to you 👍🏻
Only time I've gotten injured from KBs is when i know full well I'm doing something i shouldn't be.....any training modality can be dangerous if done incorrectly.
