Stewart Copeland's Snare Drum * Of Mysterious Provenance & The Tama SC145 Snare Drum

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This early/mid 70's chromed brass Pearl 5.5x14 snare drum (I think it was officially Pearl model 6356 and/or 4214) is the exact model drum on which Tama based the "Tama SC145" Stewart Copeland signature snare drum.
In Tama's original literature from when the Copeland Signature snare drum came out-it's got to be at least 10 years ago now I believe- it was described as based on the design of Copeland's favorite snare drum: a 'no name snare drum with mysterious provenance'. Well, here is one for you to see, as Copeland confirmed in one of his earliest Sacred Grove videos.
Really fast, I must now confess that I'm one of those rat bastards that helped accidentally piss off vintage Pearl drum collectors over the years by erroneously referring to this model as a JUPITER (which was I think model 4914DC and offered in both 5.5x14 & 6.5x14).
They're very nice heavy cob shelled drums. And indeed the Copeland signature Tama SC145 is a great drum (that one is in fact 5x14 not 5.5x14. I have owned one at one time. I in fact prefer the sound of the Copeland Tama SC145 to these Pearl models, btw. If you're looking for one: follow my advice contained in this video to spot one!
****And be careful! There are some 3 liners that are older, and then some newer than this exact model that have different '3 lines'. The '3 lines' have to look EXACTLY like the 3 lines depicted on the drum here. Send me pics of the one you're considering buying to my bonzoleum at gmail addy and I'll help you out (I will not buy it out from under you-I'm not a rat!).
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@meredyddbarker7320 6 лет назад

"All these years I've spent trying to get that Stewart Copeland snare drum sound or that Stewart Copeland hi-hat sound," said Primus' Les Claypool, who began jamming with him in 2000, "and he sat down at this [drum kit] that was laying around with old heads on it... And all of a sudden there was that Stewart Copeland snare drum sound. It made me realize it's all about how he attacks his drums, how he plays."

@westy1479 6 лет назад

Westy. Terry you make all your u tube clips so interesting and packed full of knowledge. Keep up the good work mate.

@ickysticky3672 5 месяцев назад

Just came into possession of a 5x14 and I had to come back to this video. This drum has quickly become my current favorite, got it for next to nothing and I’m blown away.

@cbirchish 6 лет назад

i LOVE these videos!! I always learn so much!

@michaelandcolinspop 6 лет назад

Awesome, awesome video. I love Pearl and that thing sounds so good. Thanks for dropping some knowledge on us, Bonzoleum.

@Customwinder1 4 года назад

I restored one of these COB Pearl snare drums for someone not long ago. They didn't even know what it was. I was honest and told them how much it was worth. It was in terrible shape and looked like crap. Completely disassembled it and restored it to brand new again. It sounded great. Great vid mate 👍

@BeesWaxMinder 2 года назад

Love to see a video of that restoration! …you fix-up drums often?

@ronniedilljr7547 5 лет назад

That was the first snare drum i ever owned, And i miss it everyday.

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

Stewart Copeland made the majority of The Police recording using the Pearl Custom model fitted with a die cast hoop. Logically, as he endorsed Tama, live he would be seen using a Tama snare drum. In the studio, endorsees tend to use what sounds best, not always what they endorse.

@brianphillips9152 2 года назад

70s 5x14 Imperialstar steel is a fantastic snare btw. Built like a tank and has a great snappy response for a light touch and then you can just absolutely lay into it. Thanks for your great vids as always.

@WhenHerbSpeaks 3 года назад

This was unexpected fun. I'd love to watch a 10 minute analysis about my favorite snare drum: Fibes 6x14 Chrome over Fiberglass. I also owned and loved the PINK clear...but there was nothing like the/my Fibes Chrome. I don't remember what the stock batter side rim was but I always changed my batter-side rims to die-cast. And Buddy Rich agreed.

@Burps___ 6 лет назад

Terry, great video. I own the Tama SC145 snare. Love it, glad it’s made in Japan as I heard some of those signature Tamas are made in China, don’t know if that’s true or not. Guess what I just got today...Paiste The Rhymatist Blue Bell 22” Ride! Just came in the mail this afternoon from Cascio Interstate in Milwaukee. It’s great, not as dry as I thought, but I’m new to drums. If you want me to drive it over to your studio so you can record a video on it, my pleasure. It’s pretty cool. Gorgeous as hell. Lemme know. Steve.

@relvis42 6 лет назад

I had one just like that years ago I traded it in for the one that the snares go straight across I have a 5 and 6 and half chrome over a brass love the sound !

@LazerBrendan 6 лет назад

Love these snares, I play it with my Stones band... Gladstone strainer is a secret weapon.

@maddog0342 6 лет назад

Lol ! Your videos are not only informative but entertaining!!! I love your brief Stewart Copeland "impersonation!" 😂🤣😂 Keep up the awesome videos Terry! Actually, you need a TV show brother! Or a weekly live, online show, interviewing drummers and doing some gear reviews!!!!!! I think alot of us would dig that!! Thanks for another great video Terry! 🥁🥁🥁 P.S.... What kind of video camera / recorder are you using ????

@henrygentles1894 6 лет назад

Copeland actually said he used the pearl on ALL the Police Albums, there's a Vid, he actually said it.

@BeesWaxMinder 4 года назад

Henry Gentles check about 2:35 in...

@rosscarpenter5604 3 года назад

He says a lot of things and most of its utter bs

@dimetilldeath Год назад

He didnt actually say that. He said it was used on "all of the hits"

@abarragan2973 4 года назад

Awwww you broke my heart. I thought I had the snare! Mine only has two bands. Still sounds great. I use it with my 70’s jellybean Pearl crystal beats. I need to send you a picture of them.

@bonzoleum 4 года назад

Copeland used a 2 line steel as well. In a pic from the 80/20 Drummer's Top 5 Copeland Beats, there's a clear shot of a 2 Line Steel one on the kit (1980 photo). Here's the vid: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ow0y_L4bC7M.html . . Go to 1:05 in the video. You see it clear!

@Xtremecarfan10188 3 года назад

Some guy advertised a COB Pearl snare in my local area. I'll be honest I didn't know much about it, it was only $135. Turns out after I bought it and shared on the group I realized it was a real Jupiter with parallel system. I didn't know the difference between the COB snares, thought they were all the same. Drum is in amazing shape, unforntunately the snare wires are all messed up and no real replacement exists anymore. I saw rDavid video on a modification but I want to keep it original.

@ShellyRann 5 лет назад

Just bought one ! Question. The butt plate is a long, flat metal piece that is slightly curved / bent inward toward the bottom near the hoop opening. Is this correct.

@neotodd5657 6 лет назад

Great video. You say nobody was making Chrome over brass in the 70's but rogers and pearl? Ludwig was making the COB supraphonic 60' and 70's . 70's had that blue and olive badge. The pearl that Copeland played is a "Classic Deluxe" model. Jupiter is different. They list them side by side in the old catalogs. Jupiter has way different throw off.

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

and it's a Gladstone strainer, what Pearl called the Deluxe strainer originally.

@BeesWaxMinder 4 года назад

Just heard the 1st Police Live Album for the 1st time in AGES & bloody Sting introduces “Walking on the Moon” as a song off of HIS new album?! The Rot set in E A R L Y..? 😉

@mpmmclaughlin 6 лет назад

Terry, thanks for this video. I've got the 6.5" in COB (with the parallel strainer and in almost pristine condition considering its age) and the 5" in steel, and have sworn by these for years even before they became quasi popular again. The 6.5" COB has die cast hoops, and I love it. Total workhorse snare, but it does weigh a freaking ton.

@sunflowerguy5314 2 года назад

Do you know how thick the shells are?

@adrianbort2564 6 лет назад

Yeah.!!! You finally discovered it.!!!!

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Yes-I thought it was lost. And I thought I was losing my mind!

@rickshearer 2 года назад

I still have mine!! 🥁

@wrowdy6644 6 лет назад

Was that music store, Biasco's? I bought a nice rogers set there! About 1982-83 ish.

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

This drum is called the Custom model and appears in the 1977 catalogue from Pearl - Model 4214. It's a Ludwig 400 homage - the Jupiter was the Pearl version of the Ludwig Supersensitive

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Yes-a lot of folks including myself often hijacked to Jupiter term to refer to the brass shell Pearl three line brass drums. Like calling a soda a COKE not matter what it is.

@klank67 6 лет назад

Thanks, dude. Turns out I have a COB Jupiter that I thought was COS ... score!

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Nice!!

@mrsmiley9772 5 лет назад

What show was that "Should Have Been a Cowboy" song from the beginning?

@bonzoleum 4 года назад

Update: There's a nice photo of Copeland playing a 2-line steel one of these Pearl's in 80/20 Drummer's video here at 1:05 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ow0y_L4bC7M.html

@MikeMiheli 3 года назад

I believe that is a stock Tama in that shot.

@jeremysimpson2476 6 лет назад

Wish you would have kept playing that Blacrolite. Love that drum.

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

It's in good hands now with a friend. A blucro can be made. Find a less expensive 6.5x14 Supra or Blacro (or resissue Acro) and give it a goos light sparkly blue spray painting! The slight muffling of the shell tones it up a bit. *If you ever see a 6.5x14 Acrolite with it's factory 'black galaxy' finish, buy it. It's an incredible drum (as are the 5x14).

@jeremysimpson6474 6 лет назад

I bought a 5X14 Black Galaxy off Guitar Center for 89 shipped and yes it is a great drum. Wide tuning range. I took the sound control out as it was rattling something fierce. What kills me is the wild price differences for these drums. I have seen them as low as 50 and as high as 350. Crazy.

@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah 3 года назад

This guys insane banter always cheers me up!!! Until I take his advice and spend $300 on ebay.... IMHO

@Ticonderous1 6 лет назад

0:25 hehehe that is what happens when have Bonham on the brain Terry ... GOLD !!!!

@sunflowerguy5314 2 года назад

I have one of these COB models with the George Way style strainer. New Remo heads fit pretty tight compared to New drums. It's no problem as I tune pretty tight. They are great snares, super loud. Someone told me they are 3ml thick. Is this confirmed?

@bonzoleum 2 года назад

They are pretty thick- maybe a hair under 3 mil.

@geoffreyred 5 лет назад

Have any idea about the Tama Granstar steel snare?

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Great drum! If we're talking about the same era drum, it's the same steel shell you'll fine on the original Imperialstar, Royalstar and some of the early Rockstar.

@sticksbass 6 лет назад

i think thats a gladstone style throw. the kiss bicentennial poster shows that throw and smaller 3 lines. i guess thats the only difference. i have that snare but w the parallel strainer and its brass and heavy.

@alfaholic3 5 лет назад

I really wish you played it more.

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Yes-I agree sorry.

@whitneyryan-ng1cq 24 дня назад

Copeland used "the snare" on every Police recording, and usually did not take it on tour, so of course most pictures of him playing show different snares. The more you know!

@bonzoleum 23 дня назад

Have you seen the new Copeland book Police Diaries?

@whitneyryan-ng1cq 22 дня назад

@@bonzoleum I have not. Does it set the record straight on this? Love your channel, btw.

@bonzoleum 19 дней назад

Thanks, Ryan. It confuses things a bit: On pp. 34-35 there's a pic of him playing his kit with the Tama kingbeat, and the caption says: "That snare drum was used on every Curved Air and Police recording." It's a win/win for Tama!

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

Also the 3 line/bead thing is misleading..they also did an alloy version with 3 beads, so they are not ALL brass, while steel generally has only 2.

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Well yes-this is a general guide. I do in fact mention in the video that there are steel 3 liners, but I've not seen a brass 2 liner unless it was possibly reeaaally early on..This is just friendly general advice!

@sunflowerguy5314 2 года назад

Is alloy aluminium?

@howardevans6302 2 года назад

@@sunflowerguy5314 In this instance it would be an aluminium alloy, but even brass is actually an alloy in the real sense of the term.

@JulezNDrumz 3 месяца назад

"Every once in a while I have to calm myself down when I come across a video as infuriating as yours. Why bother posting this if you aren't going to play it for us cranked up?!? Collectors should play their instruments ya nut!" -Stewart Copeland I'm going to have to just buy one and do it myself! Days later and I don't feel bad one bit about this comment. You could redeem yourself and do a repost with a Die cast on top, both heads pitched up max and deer uuu good bud! *Chicago accent

@bonzoleum 3 месяца назад

I'll be honest- I don't dig this particular model. The 2 band steel shell ones sound better to my ears. Copeland had one of those too.

@demonicsweaters 3 года назад

The Stewart Copland impersonation at 5:30 lol

@sticksbass 6 лет назад

prob if he was signed w tama no pics of the pearl snare was let out.

@gregmyers3389 6 лет назад

Umm, Terry.. I believe I suggested the Black with Gold Lettering Bonzo shirt!! MMMMM??!! "Kinky"...remember?!! lmao!

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

I recall, Kinky!!!!!!! I might have to use this logo!!!!!

@gregmyers3389 6 лет назад

Well, I'm not demanding ya know commission for intellectual property rights or anything, but help with a certain missing l-arm for my tom might be nice. lol wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Still looking for a good one. I have one that’s chewed. Give me another day or so.

@gregmyers3389 6 лет назад

You the man TK!

@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah 3 года назад

@5:37 I think it needs more RIM SHOT!!! Copeland was always hitting all the drums with a rim shot. Which was the late 70s new wave style... I think he tuned it so tight there were NO OVERTONES... IMHO

@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah 6 лет назад

What about Snares that Pearl made, and put another brand on. I am thinking of Whitehall drums... I think pearl made the drums and the hardware for Whitehall... They have Slingerland syle lugs, but I think they are really Pearl... They have a.pearl style tom holder...

@pichuvilla 5 лет назад

Where can i send you a picture. I have a “jupiter” but no sure wich one

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Bonzoleum at gmail dot com

@marshmower 10 месяцев назад

We feel fancy saying soda now. So we say that more because it's different. Carbonated beverage is funny too. Soft drink...... for softening bones is less cool... 😂

@bonzoleum 10 месяцев назад

Well said!

@starspangled2206 6 лет назад

Terry. Midwest Percussion. I'd buy a lot of gear there. Artie, Tommy, and John the owner. They became a "boutique" in Monee. After that flopped, disappeared into oblivion. John made an absolute killing, by being one of the very first of the mail order Internet Drum market place. When the Internet was brand spanking new. Hey man! Coffee and JAM! cmon! Man!

@WeEmptyRooms 5 лет назад

I just watched A video on RU-vid in which copeland states that he always used the pearl snare. It’s the one sitting on his kit at the time too. He picks up the Tama and says “but Tama finally worked out how to get that sound...” but he doesn’t have it on his kit?

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

I've never seen a pic of Copeland pac in the day with the 3 line brass Pearl snare. I have actually seen pic with the 2 line steel one though! Pretty much all pics I've seen depict the steel Tama Imperialstar snare..

@WeEmptyRooms 5 лет назад

bonzoleum - interesting. It might be that it was kept for the studio and not taken on the road. I know I have drums I don’t your with but love to record with.

@gazjones8152 6 лет назад

It's a Jupiter, always has been & always will be. What's the ride you're rocking Terry?

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Hi Gaz! -the ride is a late 60s A Zildjian 24" Medium Ride.

@gazjones8152 6 лет назад

bonzoleum I didn't think it was a Paiste but knew it was either a 22" or 24" beast.

@michaelandcolinspop 6 лет назад

Gaz Jones81 That ride is a beauty., indeed.

@TheKinoEye 5 лет назад

@5:32 Opening riff to Message in a Bottle

@popheadstheband9260 6 лет назад

I had one

@DeanMk1 6 лет назад

...coulda, woulda, shoulda...Ludwig 30...6? Bronze snare drum. THIN Bronze shell. Amazing drum. $99 new! I weep every time I think about it. =(

@alanduncan1980 6 лет назад

I think the name you were looking for is "Gladstone" strainer.

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Yes-thank you. goshdammmit!

@alanduncan1980 6 лет назад

ha ha! It took me a minute to remember it too. Good video, Hope you get a buyer for that snare.

@MyDyerMaker 6 лет назад

I've had two and each one had some minor indention at the lugs. I just tapped it out with a hammer on wood. The drum is too bright for me, but it's heavy as hell and built like a tank. I'd rather have a Ludwig though.

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Yes-it's quite common. Moreso (or Mostso) on the old Slingerland Sound Kings. The steel ones of these are nice too. I wish they had made a COS 6.5.

@alfaholic3 5 лет назад

@@bonzoleum They did make COS 14x6.5s. I have 2 of them they have 3 lines with the only real difference being the vent hole position.

@sticksbass 6 лет назад

i think the pearl cob w smaller 3 lines were the 1st generation. i even have one w the parallel throw.

@bonzoleum 6 лет назад

Yes-I don't have a huge amount of familiarity with them, but I know that there is also an earlier version (steel) that has a neat striping around the shell. Is your brass or steel?

@sticksbass 6 лет назад

brass; magnet doesnt stick. 3 lines but smaller than yours. ithink a 79 catalog shows yours and earlier cats show mine. they called mine w the parallel jupiter too. i like it alot. it plays well at any tuning. i also like my 1st generation tama parallel but im not used to the high height of the die cast hoop. i want an S-hoop for it.

@DanSharpDrummingChannel 6 лет назад

Those Throw offs are hard to find and they break.

@quuhodjones8125 4 года назад

Mine never did

@Wiedetex 6 лет назад

I want a Bonzoleum T shirt!

@Ticonderous1 6 лет назад

Got mine bro ... get in touch with terry

@raylombardo4186 Год назад

Dude, it would be helpful if you wrote a script to use and CUT down the time to 2.5'

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

I have just taken delivery from an ebay win of a 6 1/2 Custom brass drum....and after doing a scratch test, it too has an alloy shell. It has the 3 beads, so again, I stress, these drums are not always brass. A magnet test by the seller did not alert him to fact that it might have an alloy shell, just ruled out steel. My comments are there to add a little more info to your already very informative video and are not meant in any demeaning way. With a Jupiter or Custom it's always Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware.

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Howard- I was typing this "Thank you sir. Part of the thing that throws people off is that with the more popular Ludwig 'Brass vs. NotBrass', the magnet test isn't appropriate as the choices are brass and aluminum, but with the Pearl, the shells are either brass or steel-therefore the magnet test is valid..." And then it dawned on me-are you saying that you have a Pearl 3 liner that to which a magnet doesn't stick, but after scratching down, shows no goldish color? That you think isn't brass?

@howardevans6302 5 лет назад

@@bonzoleum Yes, the drum has the 3 bead shell and like a Jupiter drum I own, when you file the inside of the bearing edge fold, or scrape inside any drilled hole, all you see is bright 'silver' aluminium alloy, no 'gold' brass shining through. I could tell by the weight , even taking into regard the weight of the hardware. Also, an alloy shell has a dull tick where the brass still retains a ring, when struck. Of course stripped of all hardware, the weight is unmistakable The seam is also a clue, brass would be brazed, and the steel or alloy shells are welded.. It's a similar conundrum to all those first re-issue Ludwig Black Beauty drums made with seamless brass shells, but in reality were bronze shelled. Under plating, nobody knows what metal lurks ha ha. Again, you really have to check and re-check to be positive about the shell material used on these drums. Even lack of pitting doesn't say it must be brass, as alloy would pit. Pearl's chrome plating was pretty high quality back in the 1970s. Neither this 'new' drum or my older Jupiter have any shell problems, yet the lugs on both have chrome cancer - that gritting that shows under the chrome, but never actually pits. That must simply because of the different metal used to cast lugs.

@bonzoleum 5 лет назад

Wow-thanks Howard-that's the very first I've ever heard of a Pearl three liner that wasn't either brass or ferrous! You should make a video for the die hard Pearl folks!!

@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah 3 года назад

Pro-VAHN-Nance....

@IslandDigital Год назад

Ugh

@C0nrady 6 лет назад

Have a look at this video from about 2.35 and you can see the snare and listen to the man himself explain it all ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ouiJFoIvPcI.html