Stihl 500i VS 090 Forty Year Old Saw | Rip Race 

I split the difference. 😉 That gear box, It definitely has the torque factor going.

@@MountainVoiceInc that’s the whole purpose of its existence ;-) torque for days 🤘

@@NathanVdV Which is irrelevant unless you're burying a 84" bar in a huge tree. Anything smaller and its RPM and HP that matters, and that's in 99.9% of other cases, like this video. So no, that 090g is a very niche saw.

@@em4703 torque is never irrelevant for a saw, doesn’t matter if you have a 20 or 80inch bar on it. If you lean on it to push it to the max, torque is what it keeps going. And you can push an 090g much harder than the 070 while they have the came cc.

The 090 makes a good miller if the cuts are wide. I haven’t tried a McCullough 125, maybe it would be a little faster. Or I know there are several versions of the O90 and some of them don’t have the gear reduction which might actually be helpful here.

yeah i have had a few of the MCGUTLESS 125 , few years back at a log cutting event i was bragging on the 125 MCGUTLESS and a old timer ask could he show me something and being the nice person i am i said YES show me what u got, he took the 090 stihl and cut the 125 in half, moral or the story, ir u want to keep any of the guts in your 125 MCGUTLESS dont get it close to a 090 stihl because it cut it in half like butter, i when home and got the other one i had and dug a small hole and iaid em to rest, on a quite nite u can hear them rusting, no guts, no saw, thats the story and i am sticking to it!!

There's nothing a McCullough 125sp has over a stihl 880 or 881, not in weight, and not in power. Its a great saw for its time but it's loved because of nostalgia, not because it's something better.

I have a Stihl 076. It has the same horsepower as the Stihl 661 but holds more fuel and apparently has a lot more torque? How does torque affect the saw? It it just how it's able to pull through a very large log without the chain stalling? Or is that horsepower. I feel like I know but then I could be entirely wrong. I know the 090 has 0.1 hp less thant the 881 but has waay more torque. Does that mean it can cut much larger logs?

@@rakersdownnz couple of good saws, long or short bar they are both pretty good at cutting.

Was the 3120 or 088 better at ripping? I’m also in BC, how bout that.

@@MountainVoiceInc had a few issues with the 3120s but they cut a bit faster than the 088, that Stihl is a tractor tho. I don’t think the husky could take a bar longer than 6 feet but I still ripped through spruce and cedars up to 8 ft diameter. I used to Heli log with the skycranes all over the coast.

I see so you were breaking them down in the bush just to get the weight down for the heli. The o9o is a definitely a tractor. Full house chain on it with like 100 teeth contacting wood and it still just pulls out shavings.

@@MountainVoiceInc yup,the aircrane would lift up to 25 thousand pounds but sometimes the logs were too much even though they were at a minimum bucking length already,sometimes 13’6” but still weighing over 30 grand. The smaller helicopters like a vertol or Kamov would lift 10-14 thousand but they were usually in smaller wood cutblocks anyway but there would be the occasional ripper on the hill. Makes me miss logging now that I’m talking about it.

The fact it’s a relatively close race speaks for itself. It’s not like you could race a brand new impact drill and a 50 year old impact.

It was

Both logs are butt logs but they are on opposite sides. Pretty close to the same size, no two trees are exactly the same though. I used a 661 for bucking some of these trees, it’s works well, 500i was slightly faster.

All good saws i'm sure. I was a husky only faller for many years. Stihl and Husky hold the professional saw market in a close first and second.

Welcome. The debarker is called a log wizard if you want look them up.

sounds about right. ha

That’s a lot of bar, ripping only I’ll bet. Even my 5’ bar bends so much the chain comes off.

The hidden lesson of this video. The reverse tuck. Glad you noticed.

Thanks!

ha. please no...

O90 is 404. 500i is 3/8. Good point, wider chain = slower cut. Maybe. Might need to test that theory.

@@MountainVoiceInc 404 is like running a cat thru a keyhole. I would worry about chain stretch on such a long bar as the 090 and torque that this beast has. Another comparison would be a Non Geardrive Version.

@@awaite7992 So far so good. 404 was standard back in the day so I don’t even know if the 090 can run anything else. I would also be curious about a non gear reduction model. 090s are hard to find though.

Pulls great.

It handles it well enough. I find 28-32 is a good fit for me, balance point vs reach is the debate with longer bars. I favour balance myself.

Ya if they had the same bar on the 090 would win if the bar was long and had lots of teeth, but the 500i would win if the bar was short and had few teeth. The trees were both fairly big, but the double cut method favours smaller bars. If the question is which saw can rip a relatively large log in half faster I thing we have a winner.

@@MountainVoiceInc you bet brother, short bar low load high HP wins. Long bar heavy load? Torque! Always! 😉

Ya I would have if I had a small bar for the 090. It's a disadvantage to have the long bar in this situation I think. Long bar vs short, full house chain vs skip tooth, nothing is fair, but that doesn't really matter, just which is faster.

I imagine that would be a great ripper. I love my 390 so a 592 would be even better.

The fair part is they both have chains and are saws. The rest is different engineering decisions and 40 years of technology

haha, ya a nice thin lightsaber might be the ticket.

I haven’t checked piston size, so let’s go with 105.5cc. Pretty hard to tell how much power the saw has with that gear reduction, keeps working though. I’ll bet the 500i won’t be working in 40 years.

I totally agree that new saws won't last as long, anyway 090g it's a torque monster, hp not much maybe 6.5 but loads of torque. I have couple of old stihls myself and enjoy running them.

they are pretty fun, might just have to make my own anti vibe though.

The 070 is 105cc and the 090 is 137cc, I have an 070 and going to change the jug to an 090 :)

this was the 090G, not the same as 090@@timwoodger7896

Good question. Well I’m sure other people have covered the 500is cross cut already, and I have logs to rip in half anyway. The 090 isn’t really compatible with a stock bar, so there is no fair comparison there. I just set each one to play off their advantage’s. The 090 is slow but high torque so lots of teeth is better. The 500i is fast so narrow bar and less teeth is better.

Exactly like a dirt bike. Old 2 stroke ones anyway.

Really? Wasn’t it made in Germany, shouldn’t there be more of them in or near Germany?

@@MountainVoiceIncthe trees here don’t require massive bars and thus saws that pull them. So there are very little 090s and even less geared variants here. I would love to own one one day.

Rip chain could be better. Either way chains only remove material as fast as the chain spins so not much faster I think in this case. Could be another video if you want, I could test rip chain on the 500i and see if it cuts faster. I have to make cross cuts all the time so I opt to not use rip chains on most of my saws.

That would make it dull less quickly, but I am pretty happy with my program. It’s pretty fast, and I can still use the saw for normal bucking and limbing without changing the bar.

I mean I’m pretty confident using any chainsaw, but the 090 is a bit clunky for sure.

So was the 090, the tank on that saw is like 3 times bigger than the 500i. Can’t say that the 500i used much more fuel than any other saw I use. But I haven’t measured it.

Ha true that’s a long bar.

Don't know if it can handel that big of a bar the 500 is only 80ccs and the 090 is 120 and a chainsaw is only rated to have a certen size bar on it bc that's its limit on how mutch chain it can pull through the wood but that's not to say that the bar wouldn't fit😁😁

Totally. I tried to combat that by giving it full house chain, but ya best of both and the new saw takes it for speed with a double cut method. The 090 could cut all the way through with 1 cut, but that wouldn’t necessarily make it any faster.

I thought so, but in the moment I forgot the exact cc. so I rounded down to the nearest husky.

Hard to throw a chain if the bar is buried in wood, so more if an annoyance for brush and piddly stuff I guess. I haven’t looked close at the chain catcher, but I’ll take your word for it.

thats true

I’ll keep an eye out, they are hard to find. One with an anti vibe would also be appreciated.

True.

It’s true, the vibrations from saws can cause carpel tunnel. Gloves, anti vibration, a looser grip these things help. I have been running saws most of my life, and the hands 🖐️ still work. Open to suggestions though if you have ideas on how to rip these logs in half faster, cheaper and easier.

Unless your cut is 5 feet wide.

@@MountainVoiceInc it doesn't matter, an 880 is still better.

@@julianlaustsen1991 unless your cut is 7 feet wide...

Ya I was going to drop some text in to clarify it’s a German company, but I guess Stihls main market is the US

@@MountainVoiceInc you are right. US and South America. Good video thanks for sharing! 👍