Here's a fun thought for you: Dune was written before Life of Brian came out, so it's entirely possible that Monty Python's satirical portrayal of that idea was directly inspired by Frank Herbert playing it straight.
@@Randoman590 The trouble is, I can't really recall an exact equivalent to that scene in the book. In general, Paul is a little less conflicted about taking advantage of the Fremen in the book. His hesitancy is mostly about the Jihad and he tries to avoid it while still getting the revenge he wants.
I love this movie with all my soul but the moment after Paul killed Feyd and Stilgar just instantly cheers Lisan Al Gaib as if he's paid to do it is fucking hilarious.
In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it. "I have seen a friend become a worshiper," he thought.
you forgot my favorite part. stilgar talking with his followers "the messiah is too humble to say he is the messiah" & all of his followers start going "yeah", "ahhh", "hes right" that shit was so funny in theatres
Stilgar saying Lisan Al Gaib after Paul killed Feyd😭😭 he said it like we just witnessed a magic trick and people don’t immediately clap so you have to say “tada” for special effect
The thing is... are they wrong? When the _genuine_ messiah appears, not a phony, not someone _almost_ there, but "the one", how are people supposed to resist? Unfounded fanaticism is dangerous, but when the prophecies come true and the messiah appears, it's almost logical. If it happened on modern day Earth we'd be just the same.
how is this any different from a president ordering you to attack another country for whatever reason? religion might not have much authority anymore but it got replaced by nationalism rather quickly. authority works on all levels, its just that religion tends to work on simple people with no infrastructure more often.
1:44 the fanatic religious fervor in Stilgar’s eyes was insane when I first watched it in theaters. You got to give Javier Bardem props for bringing this out in a character such as Stilgar whose so fanatically loyal to his beliefs and Paul being the messiah.
as the servant in part one once said, "when you've lived with prophecy for so long, the moment of revelation is a shock." stilgar was the embodiment of that statement
@@anthtan you realize he’s seen every single outcome right? War was the only option. He literally says it in the film “in so many futures I see us failing, but there is one narrow way through where we win” that’s why he seems to know every outcome when he talks. That’s why he’s not surprised when they reject his rise to power. He already knows the out come but he still asked and hopes they’ll sue for peace. He’s of course correct and that’s why he looks so sad when tells the fremen to “lead them to paradise” because he knows even tho the fremen will win. He still hates the fact that it’s come to this. But there was no other choice
@@lordmiow he can see the future through his dreams. He can also see the past. Everyone’s past. Even their dreams. Along with the voice. Which is basically Jedi mindtricks on steroids
The moment when Paul defeats Feyd and Stilgar has that moment of hesitation before championing his messiah to the people is my favorite scene from the entire film. That look of doubt and confusion and fear before snapping back into the trance is just amazing
The funniest thing about Stilgar and the Fremen is how they had never even thought about getting into a spaceship and blasting themselves into outer space in their whole lives... But "MUAD'DIB LEADS THE WAY so let's get on this giant metal dildo to blow up anyone that says otherwise."
Ikr lol I was thinking the same thing. And how did they never think of using the sandworms to attack their oppressors after all this time??? Surely someone must’ve thought of it but I guess not until Paul led them.
@@rafaellelinner6501 I'm not sure 100% but I know that the Fremen have their own smugglers who distribute spice off-world, so I assume they at least have some space travel savvy folks amongst their ranks. Using the weapons on the ships is another thing, but this is Dune we're talking about, so I'd like to imagine the Fremen just board the enemy ships pirate style and slaughter everyone on it. They could'nt attack their opressors beforehand, as the cities had shieldwalls and were often built behind a natural shieldwall on top of that, like a mountain range. Only through use of the family atomics, and the cover of a very big, rare sandstorm, could Paul destroy that mountain range and push through with the worms. The Harkonnen and Sardaukar had every right to believe they were safe. They literally got surprised and steamrolled so quickly, it was hard to react in time.
@@rickymartin4457 damn I didn’t know all that. Well good to know. I honestly was kinda half asleep when I was watching it so I might’ve dozed off or wasn’t paying attention to those parts. But now you mentioning all this, it makes more sense why they never attacked with the sandstorms until now.
@@rafaellelinner6501 To be fair, it is quite the dense movie, lots of things you can miss if you don't pay attention. I was discovering a lot I missed the first time after a second watch myself.
Why did india not kick out the british during colonialism? Or African countries the French? Its usually divide and conquer and lack of any ability to pool resources and finally human resources are not correctly positioned. Its a bit of a play on reality. Poverty of the locals in a sea of resources just like oil companies in Nigeria oil rich regions.
Stilgar is such a tragic f*cking character. To want to believe in something, _anything_ badly enough to forego all reason. He was born into a hopeless world and a hopeless war, and he was made leader because of his strength. For so long, he held in his heart dreams of Paradise, finding signs in places where they didn’t exist. He just didn’t want all the fighting to be for nothing. Stilgar is the tale of a man slowly transformed by blind faith into an instrument of evil.
How did he take advantage of them? Was it because he wanted to seek vegence for his father and used the Fremen? The Fremen hated the Harkonen too, and not only that; the Fremen hated the occupying houses of their planet. How is morally or ethically wrong if your goals align? He made it quite clear to Stilgar, Choni, and the Fremen people in his command that he wasthe why and how. He tells Stilgar and Choni verbatim about his father, and why he does what he does. He tells everyone in his command during the acension speech to the emperor. Through his leadership he took back Arrakis and saved the Fremen. He did so with the least amount of casualities, and he genuinely cared for the people in his command. How is any of that evil? He even outright refused to kill stilgar, he fought his own battles at the forefront on the ground along side his people and did h2h combat with the emperors champion in lieu of someone else in the final scene with a 50/50 chance of dying according to his timelines vision. If anything, it was the Bene gesserit are the real evil. They orchestrated everything, and have been manipulating all the houses all along including the lesser groups of Arrakis (fremen).
@@xw33b36 Paul said at one point that if he took control billions would die AND he still took control. the point is that when Paul took up the fremens to fight the harkonen they believed it would stop there and what would come next would be building paradise. So you tell me if its morally wrong to make a nation-planet be your weapon of mass destruction just because they believed you would lead them to paradise. (pauls action actually did lead to a better future for humanity but its so far down the line that stilgar's great great great - (you get the idea) grandkids wouldn't even experience it.) He may do things honorably but that doesn't detract from the point that what he is doing morally fucked up and evil. (things can be grey , surprise surprise)
Stilgar lived a long and prestigious life under Paul and his son Duke Leto II. He even wrote a history book about paul and their time together on arrakis. He only laments that when arrakis becomes a paradise, his people abandoned the fremen way of life and basically killed their entire culture in the process. He died happy and satisfied. He didn't bore witness to the horror that is to come when Leto II turned into a tyrant.
1:01 I'm from Spain, like Javier Bardem. And I swear, the way he hugs Chalamet here... it's the most Spanish I've ever seen him in a non-Spanish speaking role!! lol
Words can't describe how much I'm in love with Spain. I live my life listening to flamenco music. Say hello to the sacred soil of Spain for this little guy in Tehran.
It’s funny at first but when you deep it and having read the books it’s actually very sad because, as Paul says, he stops becoming his friend and becomes his follower
It's hilarious but at the sametime there are literal instances in the movie that are foretold, and the actually happends exactly as foretold.. So you, yourself also start to think "Do i have the craziness in me"
Paul: Stilgar, I wasn't lying when I said to Chani that water fall from the sky in Caladan! Comedy aside, I really want to see Paul doing scenes like this to him and the rest of the Fremen when we watch Dune: Messiah, it would be necessary considering the dark and depressing tone the story will take from now on!
Paul: You're all individual! Fremen: Yes, we're all individual! Paul: You're all different! Fremen: Yes, we're all differrent! Chani: I'm not Gurney: Shhh
It's amazing how big a role Javier Bardem played in this movie. He carries more than half the emotional weight of this movie. Unbelievable performance...
I am not crazy! I know he is Lisan al-gaib. I knew it was him. One from the outer world. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I can prove it. He knew our ways, he comes with the reverend mother. You think this is nothing? You think this is bad? This? He is maud'dib! He is Lisan al-gaib!
@@nicksojka7457 man Dune part 2 did a lot better job at conveying that message than that David Lynch movie that now looks like a bad fanfic adaptation in comparison
"“In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it.”
I know people like to poke fun at Stilgar, but he captures the mindset of a religious zealot hyped up on fundamentalist beliefs perfectly. They’re funny, until suddenly they’re not.
Idk if anyone else agrees but I think Javier Bardem should win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. I've read the Dune series and Bardem perfectly portrayed Stilgar the way I imagined him while reading the books. Such a fantastic performance imo
It’s funny as hell till you see that this is actually how overly faith-blinded people act. Reminds me of old babushkas in Central and Eastern Europe xD
When they get all they want, water, status a confortable life and a GREEN PARADISE. Some of them get very depressed, they even forget how to ride sandworms and make proper stillsuits....Then they extiguish. Thats the end of the third book
Even though he fanboys.. The point where paul accepts the belief the freeman have in him, and starts monologueing, and every roars with awe, inspire, dedication and loyalty, for the promised savior of their planet.. It's beyond fucking epic.
Firm and strong believer Stilgar is, yet, he did not force his followers to believe what he believe, at least in the movie he did not shut up anyone who disagree with him.
I think about this so often, like imagine all of the people you love turning into blind worshippers of you. Imagine how isolating it becomes, to have no more genuine human connections. I think id go insane
Stilgar must be what every devoted disciple or follower must've been like when their leader was paving the way, interesting to see it played it in this move/books
It was funny at first but then you sit down and think for a second and realized that yeah, it WAS funny at first the way he was fanboying but then it turns into so much blind fanaticism that it becomes terrifying
Bardem fucken nailed it!! I mean how can you play the religious zealout hype man and also be the comedic release of the movie without killing the more serious themes of the movie... What a fucking great movie
fun fact: that guttural sound that Stilgar makes when he arrives at Sietch Tabr is him giving Paul the gluck gluck 5000 with the amount of dickriding he does in the film
Stilgar: I say You are, Lord, and I should know. I've followed a few Followers: Hail Messiah! Paul: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly! Stilgar: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity. Pual: What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah! FOLLOWERS: He is! He is the Messiah
Currently getting more into the Dune universe everyday, I do like how a highlight of part 2 is showing how stilgar went from a simple believer in the prophecy 2 an almost crazed driven fanatic. Goes 2 show how in reality we as humans can be used by nothing but words of a prophet/ messianic figure.
