Still Do Not Buy a Vintage Rolex Datejust

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Hey There! Here we discuss and (recap) the reasons why a certain type of collector should not buy a vintage Rolex Datejust. I love the watch, though new collectors should know what nuances vintage watches include.
If you have not seen, my original video is:
• Do Not Buy a Vintage R...
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14 окт 2024

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@TheSkatereel 5 лет назад

You hit the nail in the head. Vintage Rolex watches, when you consider the costs to get it running well and to look good font cost a lot less than buying a pre owned modern piece. Plus, there’s a big risk right now on Frankenstein watches out there. I don’t see how there’s a ton of value in vintage watches anymore, def not the “insane value” Christian from Theo and Harris laughably claims.

@redatticus7606 5 лет назад

The Value is a hype pull from the current steel models...now is a sellers market with bubble like conditions.....not good.....and John has just hit the nail on the head.....MOST people I know are not Rolex enthusiast, but want to enter into the club via a cheap 70s Rolex.....mostlt due to budget constraints

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Red with the win!

@jaysikes4256 5 лет назад

He's got the insane part right. The value....not so much....

@cavaliericorey 5 лет назад

I dont think we will see datejusts become as collectible as vintage rolex sports models mainly due to their size and vast amount of referances that were produced. Their just seems to be 4 datejusts to every gmt or sub.

@pedrosaenz2800 5 лет назад

Gold in watches is by far the most expensive gold in the world. Buying new is bad business, however, they loose lots of price in a few years. I bought my 16030 Datejust 18 years ago and still enjoy it. Looks like new!! No box no papers and could doble the purchade price any time. I do not buy watches for selling them. Thank you for clarifying some points.

@johngentile6814 5 лет назад

the points you made can be made with any vintage watch -not just rolex. Vintage Omega, JLC, IWC GP, etc can all have similar problems to what you have discussed. You need to know the seller and have to get the watch checked our prior to purchase.

@boogityboo1467 5 лет назад

You are just trying to keep prices low so that you can buy them all!!

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

They are pretty high right now for a vintage time/date watch with an antiquated movement. but a classic :)

@mohdnajeebkooheji 5 лет назад

Hahaha

@WrongTimeWatch 5 лет назад

How about new vintage, with the sapphire crystal? What model numbers should I be searching for?

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Depends, which requirements do you have? I like vintage, and would chose vintage, but only if you can live with the nuances mentioned. Otherwise buy new as possible :)

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

For SS and TT Datejust models, they began switching crystals to sapphire in 1985- so you should shoot for that time frame.

@WrongTimeWatch 5 лет назад

@@JohnPWatches Thanks, have been looking for an OP or DJ off and on, still undecided. Which allows be more time to save up funds.

@traxlera 5 лет назад

Some of us like to have a birth year watch and a vintage DJ is a nice Rolex to have if you are looking for something in the 36-40 mm range that is versatile to be worn for different occasions. The OP and Air King also were on my radar, but I wanted to have the day on the dial.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Makes sense, seems like you fall into the collector category where this watch works :)

@steverushaw8761 5 лет назад

My 1967 Datejust 1601 doesn't have any of the issues you describe and is in beautiful condition..but I guess it's just good sensible advice for any vintage piece buyers beware.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

You've got a nice example it sounds like :) congrats!

@pedrosaenz2800 4 года назад

John thank you. Please specify the model numbets you discribe as vintage. I have 16030 that is really one of tge favorites in my collection. Is that vintage? 😎

@thefuecisla 4 года назад

So I just bought a cool silver dial smooth bezel 1600 and by the prices they have now, I am sorry JP, I don't think there is many people regretting their purchases. Prices go up because people love them and of course because anything new is much more expensive. However, information about servicing and what to watch out for is very much appreciated. Can you please make a video asking vintage explorer 1 owners to sell their pieces? :))))

@tommyl1342 4 года назад

What year would you consider “modern”?

@MIAPhilly 5 лет назад

Title says "Still don't buy a vintage datejust" @1:24 says go to his watch shop and buy the vintage datejusts hes selling..... please stop

@AbyssalTentacle 5 лет назад

vintage date justs should NOT cost 3-4k or MORE , what are these sellers on

@edoardofantini6470 4 года назад

That is the point. Just not worth it. And I love the look, and the history, and everything else. Still, there is no logical reason why a such outdated case and movement should cost 3-4 k. These old Rolexes were tool watches back in the day (which is what Tudor is now). An old tool watch over 4k? Madness.

@jefferyneu3915 5 лет назад

I didn’t hear anything controversial. I bought one vintage Rolex Sub. It gave me so much trouble, I flipped it for a modern Omega PO. I appreciate vintage watches owned by other people. I will stick with modern, more accurate watches. Thank you for a thoughtful video filled with great advice!

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Controversial for hard core fans.

@timur9429 5 лет назад

I have one too and have no rattle or other problems. But I had some polerouters and had one that had the same problems. I send it maybe ten times to service to fix the rattle and it was impossible. I agree with you on that possible problems on vintage watches and the safety of new watches at 100%. I searched for two years until I bought mine.. So my recommendation is: buy the best example you can find and go and inspect the watch before buying. This will come at a cost but saves one from Movement problems that almost can‘t be fixed.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Its nice advice though consider the rattle and other issues can happen literally at any time.

@aleximd9244 5 лет назад

You are right in whatever you say! I agree totally! A vintage is a vintage and the new or latest is different! Go ahead and don't look back!

@rayquintanilla614 5 лет назад

Your point seems easy enough to grasp, don’t know why people don’t get the point. I am a watch enthusiast and I do love some vintage watches, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to appreciate them for what they are! I’m going to be happier in the long run just buying new! Thanks John!

@SoXFireBlade 5 лет назад

My concern with vintage watches is in the summer. which here is over 110 Fahrenheit with at least 50% humidity and i am not sure if most DJ can handle it or not. but i would consider buying a newer DJ or OP

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Great point. I've seen customer watches that have fogged up from very little moisture, so this technically could happen. Though, I live in Miami which gets quite wet and have not had it happen to a vintage watch.

@SportsDad7 5 лет назад

if u have 3500 and want a rolex, u will have to go vintage rolex datejust..

@kyunghoaugustinlee2286 4 года назад

How do u define vintage and modern?

@123vfp 5 лет назад

John - You make some very valid points not just about a vintage Datejust but about vintage watches in general. They have their charm - and often can be found at reasonable prices - but they come with their challenges, quirks, and disadvantages, which, I think you explain objectively and fairly. Another honest video. 👍🏻

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thank you Vince! I appreciate it.

@mediaconsumption3972 5 лет назад

But where else am I going to get a clean looking Rolex without thick lumed up hour markers

@ogarzabello 5 лет назад

*John P could sell toothpaste or face cream in TV commercials.*

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Sounds pretty nice actually. Know a guy that knows a guy? Hooke me up ;) haha

@Amaru_r 5 лет назад

Hi john! Can we say the same for a vintage sub? How old are we talking about when whe call them vintage? Regards!!

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Around 30 years is vintage. If the production year is not available, like a brand that does not tie serials to production year, then if the model was made at all exactly as configured past 30 years. Subs, in my experience, have weathered and aged a little better. They are created for sport and durability, whereas datejusts were really engineered as dress watches.

@Amaru_r 5 лет назад

Thank you for the explanation john!

@Agrippa31BC 5 лет назад

I have my vintage DJ because it was my grandfather’s. Doesn’t really rattle except for the bracelet, although I love the sound. The dial is perfect for the age (1974). The only problems are having to service it (although the 1575 movement is a real workhorse) and the overpolished case, which isn’t so bad. I have a 2009 Explorer I, and a GMT Master II and a Submariner no date from the early 2000s, and I intend on buying a 1990s DJ at some point. I hate the beefier cases on post mid 2000s Rolexes though.

@WilliamInternational 5 лет назад

I bought my grey dial 16030 datejust new in 1982 for 1075.00. It needs service every 5 years when it starts to rattle. Service was just done. Want to buy it?

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Are you selling it for what you purchased it for ;) ?

@WilliamInternational 5 лет назад

It’s worth more than that.

@jordanbuttkevitz6895 5 лет назад

It’s difficult for me to suggest any vintage watch as an option for owning one watch. The one vintage DJ I’d suggest is the Rolex 16030 since it uses a modern movement (3035), despite being 30 years old. As mentioned, biggest issue would be the fragile Acrylic crystal and questionable water resistance.

@karl4828 5 лет назад

why not the 16014?

@barrymcockener4336 5 лет назад

I have a 1971 1601 DJ, two tone jubilee, champagne face with diamonds

@andyt6819 5 лет назад

Not sure if you talked about it on the original video but I believe there is no quickset on vintage date just and that a deal breaker for a casual wearer like me.

@oscardominguez1680 5 лет назад

Andy Tran quickset appeared in the mid-70ies i think

@andyt6819 5 лет назад

Oscar Dominguez thanks, I’m not sure I thought so too but I think teddy baldassarre mentioned he doesn’t set his date on his 1601 cause he’s too lazy. Maybe his is just broken

@niccolo6358 5 лет назад

Please someone has the ID of the bracelet on the right hand? So nice!

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Unfortunately it has no name, it was made custom by a bench jeweler

@giofyr 5 лет назад

What years would be considered vintage ?

@benoitbauer953 3 года назад

as from 20+ years

@CleverSmart123 5 лет назад

I really like the points you raised. People should buy vintage because they care about the history, not because they want a cheap Rolex.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Exactly :)

@scottallan3327 5 лет назад

don't let the haters get to you

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thanks SA, they didn't- I just wanted to make sure the point I was making is cleared up. I personally love the Datejust- it defines the vintage watch niche. Though, I would not recommend it for someone that expects things that are assumed from modern :)

@freen773 5 лет назад

Finally pulling the trigger. Been looking for it for months

@timemachineeddie1146 5 лет назад

I own a Rolex Date Just Thunderbird. It is a small 36 mm, with a plastic crystal and Yes it has Hollow end links. It is a 18k Gold and SS with a Tuxedo Black Linen Dial with an Oyster Bracelet.The condition is Excellent. My dream is to send it to Del Ray and have Hans service it. What an amazing video and thanks for sharing.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thanks ! Send it on in

@seilerjohn1 5 лет назад

What would you consider a 'vintage' rolex. Would you consider one made in 2001 as 'vintage'?

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Usually 30 years, or similar.

@jubes3672 5 лет назад

Hey, great video. Still really would like to get a nice vintage two tone one day.

@pepe_gomez 5 лет назад

I would imagine everything you said here would apply to a vintage submariner. And in essence you are saying ‘don’t buy the most iconic watches ever made because they are inconvenient ‘ . I don’t know if you really understand the love for watches and the reason we love them🤔

@samybechou791 5 лет назад

The guy sells vintage datejust but tells you To not buy it !

@MrGmeproductions 5 лет назад

The pricing on Delray is damn impressive. I have my eye on that mk40

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thanks Grant! We try to be competitive for a dealer.

@rafaelmontanez2616 5 лет назад

Great video! I though your message on the original video on this topic was pretty clear. I own 3 Rolex watches and I considered buying a vintage model next, however after hearing your points I've changed my mind and will go modern. The last thing I want is to spend more money right after I buy a vintage Rolex to have it serviced so it looks & operates decent at best. Hearing any rattling at all would drive me absolutely crazy, I'd rather not even deal with it. Again great video, I'm a new subscriber keep the content coming.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thanks Rafael! I had to take another jab at the people that left comments without watching the video lol

@jonathanmolin1598 5 лет назад

Speedy pre moon on your wrist?

@Justin-yb6mf 5 лет назад

Speedmaster broad arrow?

@jamesbroderick3394 5 лет назад

For the cost and how they look I've never considered vintage Datejusts or Air Kings worth it. They're so bland and common

@CptnWinkee 5 лет назад

Vintage Datejust on a leather strap is classic cool. Goes with anything. Dresses up. Dresses down. The most versatile luxury watch.

@Redonepunch 5 лет назад

People will see the title, get pissed, and comment without watching the video.

@Ikram-Azaan. 4 года назад

After watching this video! I have more interest in Rolex vintage datejust!

@freesneaky 5 лет назад

He is just nicely saying "dont fucking complain when your old watch comes in bad condition or breaks later when you only bought it for the cheap price". Well he's right lol.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Jeremy Song with the aerial support :)

@edotedy 4 года назад

Just saved a non wis mate of mine from buying a badly polished with uneven lugs and poking springbar 1970s 1601 with equally rattly rotor and he fortunately ended up with a near mint 1999 16200. He initially thought the 1601 was worth the 400AUD saving compared to the 16200 smh...

@kongmw 5 лет назад

lol that rattle would drive me up the walls all day. i'm staying clear of the muddy waters that is vintage watches.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Sometimes there are no issues. You know, as you drive an old car you hear rattles here and there. lol

@Ranghocsing 5 лет назад

Nice review can you search me a 36mm no date in steel thank you

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Thank you sir!

@Ranghocsing 5 лет назад

Pls check my comment again

@jamescollett2625 5 лет назад

Is a 1990's datejust waterproof?

@wingriddenangel8818 5 лет назад

James Collett it should be

@jfdomega7938 5 лет назад

Watch People. You have missed your window of opportunity. In the last 12 -18 months the prices on all Rolexes let alone the datejust have sky rocketed! Rolex prices have gone mad/crazy. Actually most mid tier watches have increased considerably. :(

@bearclooneywatches4186 5 лет назад

Once you go DJ41 you don't look back

@WrongTimeWatch 5 лет назад

41 seems too big

@bearclooneywatches4186 5 лет назад

Donjon Armory not at all. Perfectly proportioned watch. I can not say same for DJ II but DJ 41 is absolutely perfect.

@DavidCosmos1 5 лет назад

only if you have bear wrists

@bearclooneywatches4186 5 лет назад

@@DavidCosmos1 ha ha ha ha hilarious

@zodiac-bu5bg 5 лет назад

41 is too big

@romulus1300 5 лет назад

I’m a subscriber, and I like a lot of your vids. So much so that I check your site from time to time. That being said, your thumbnail is click-baity. Why not add “without watching this first” to qualify the statement. I presume you’d get more clicks that way even. Just saying. The content is not controversial in itself.

@moonstatemoonstate 5 лет назад

I am very like your channel and relatively new, but with all respect new generation do not care about vintages. Some models provably will keep value or appearance. So, buy for yourself if like and modern.

@silverstacker8282 5 лет назад

18k gold is very soft. Not good for daily wear that’s for sure.

@tonymontana9628 4 года назад

SHOULD I BUY CASIO INSTANT ?😲

@Manaz101 5 лет назад

Rocking 145.022 😛🤘

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Shh its a secret. lol

@Manaz101 5 лет назад

@@JohnPWatches 🙊 😇

@Crazywaffle5150 5 лет назад

John P.....enis

@aaronschen9896 5 лет назад

Counterpoint: vintage datejusts are cool

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

Aw yea :)

@DavidCosmos1 5 лет назад

wow take a breath, and use a bit more higher and lower tones....good info

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

I'll sing a little song next time. Thanks :)

@ottoman1755 5 лет назад

They are tying to help you. High monotone is the problem. I’m a fan and not being harsh. As a public speaker, we must be aware of good criticism.

@JohnPWatches 5 лет назад

@@ottoman1755 I am a musician so it is my natural tone :)

@samadrid6321 5 лет назад

Seems if people cannot buy Rolex sport watches they are going for DateJusts. Good luck with that.

@justinhendren540 10 месяцев назад

I have datejust that is vintage. Great watch. All this commentary about watches gets ridiculous though. Enjoy whatever you purchase. Reality is all mechanical watches need serviced eventually. Buy what you can afford and just enjoy your time piece.

@blakestar4100 5 лет назад

First off I can get a Rolex fully refinished & serviced for under $350 by a master watchmaker. Secondly yes the market is going crazy right now because retards are paying tens of thousands for a stainless steel shitmariner. And last but not least you can still get a 1601 with the bracelet for under 2 grand if you know where to look. And honestly, I'm so tired of Rolex, hell I own 4 of them. Right now is the time to buy Omega & Zenith trust me. Especially vintage Speedmasters & El Primeros.