Still MAJOR QC issues with new vinyl records | Ozzy Osbourne Ordinary Man pressing problems

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I thought these sorts of problems were a thing of the past, but sadly there continue to be many quality control issues with new vinyl pressings. It was really bad 5 or so years ago, and seemed to be getting better. However, multiple issues are being reported with the new Ozzy Osbourne album, Ordinary Man (scuffed vinyl, warped, pressing problems, etc), and there are many other recent examples as well.
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@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL 4 года назад

Hello, happy to see you talking about this problem. I bought (+/- 10 vinyls/ month) . I know now the good pressings plants and bad pressing plants. You should know that the worst pressing factories are currently in the USA. A simple rule to apply. Always prefer a European pressing to a US pressing to be sure to have quality. American pressings are mostly curled with marks, scratches on them. The best pressing plants worldwide: 1)Records Industry (Netherlands) (Its Music on Vinyl) 2) Optimal GMBH (Germany) 3) MPO (France) You should also know that the pressings at GZ media are often bad. I noticed that the quality of the PVC is often bad causing a deterioration of the LP after 4 to 5 listening, because these pressings plants hurry to press and the PVC is heated less quickly and less strongly. Thanks for You Vidéos !!!

@danmartinez5502 3 года назад

You are correct, although RTI in the U.S has been stepping up their game and issuing better quality pressings. Which is encouraging as audiophiles are pushing for better pressing and it is having some effect.

@georgedoughly8682 3 года назад

Pallas in Germany is also a Very Good pressing plant, and RTI & QRP in America are Great plants too. The WORST pressing plant of all time is United in Nashville, Tennessee. They Suck Ass!

@dm95422 4 года назад

I gave up on vinyl years ago. It was a rough transition going from vinyl to CD, but I'm glad I did take that one way journey. No regrets.

@carvinblack 4 года назад

I use to press records up until a year ago. Because of the trendies getting into vinyl QC has gone out the window because of demand at alot of plants. We had a good QC department thankfully. I bought the Jimi Hendrix Band Of Gypsys box set. QRP pressed it. I worked with a couple employees that worked at QRP. They said their plant was always putting out warped product. Of the eight records in the box set at least 4 had issues. One had some bad "dishing". I even had a MoFi record come to me with a kick warp. Unacceptable with the prices they charge. Those scuffs look to me like the pressing plates were scratched or at the very least very dirty. I used to take my watch off when installing plates. Even the lightest bump would cause a scratch. We had a couple Warmtone presses from Canada that were not made very well. Their Achilles Tendon was the sensors on the machines were always sending out false errors. Made pressing a nightmare.

@goldenvinylspin 4 года назад

Could you have a look at my comment I left above and tell me since you worked at a pressing plant if anything I mentioned could be causing the issues. I'm interested to know. I've never been to a plant. So I'm just making a wild guess.

@carvinblack 4 года назад

@@goldenvinylspin Each Machine and Pressing Company is different. With the Canadian Warmtones. The pvc pellets are heated, pushed through an extruder into a puck form. Then a top/bottom label sandwiches the puck and moved into the press. Once pressed it was picked up and moved to the cutter where the flash was trimmed off. Then the machine moved it to a stack spindle. Every ten records were separated by a thin metal cooling plate. Test pressing we did it every five. All that was done by the machine. Although for some reason(maybe a computer glitch) sometimes it forgot to pickup a cooling plate. So we used to manually put a cooling plate on the stacks. From there they are cooled usually overnight. Then the QC guys would look at every record with gloves. And Yes, I would guess alot of the larger plants don't look at every one. After they passed QC they were sleeved(paper/rice or anti-static) and jacketed by hand with gloves. As far as blemishes/warps, so many things. Wrong heat/cool down cycle, Dirty pressing plates, scratched pressing plates, finger marks, bent cooling plates, bent shaft for cooling spindles, being packed in too small of jackets, shrink wrap putting too much pressure on jackets, putting too many records in a shipping box, not stacked properly on shipping pallets, paper sleeves rubbing during shipping, etc. Dont know if too much suction on the record when being pulled off the press would cause warping because the record has cooled down alot before moving to the trimmer, but I guess a possibility. But if it was warped a tad the Trimmer has two pads that press down flat on the record when trimmed. I do know sometimes the pressing plates would fail after a certain amount of records pressed(the center mounting hole/hub would break like a tearing fingernail). We had an air jet setting that could help with vinyl sticking to the plates on the press, but use too much air and that can cause other issues. That is probably the hardest aspect of pressing. You do something to fix one problem, but it could make another problem(s). Trying to find a balance in all the machines settings was very difficult. And then you get into colored vinyl or a PVC brand that makes the pressing process more difficult. I only did it for a short while. Not the dream job every vinyl guy thinks. At least with the machine I was pressing on. I was spending too much time diagnosing and adjusting/repairing the machine. It got old really fast.

@goldenvinylspin 4 года назад

@@carvinblack thanks for the reply. I learned alot. I'm hoping to visit the plant in PEI this summer. During that time I hope to learn more. Cheers

@j_freed 4 года назад

I read your name as *Crosstalk Larry.......* It shows how traumatized we are by the engineering nightmares of analog technology doesn't it. Amazing really that there WERE once really good vinyl pressings.

@stephenyoung5079 4 года назад

I returned to vinyl about 5 years ago and accepted that sometimes you get scuffed or warped vinyl or some lousy pressings, hey that's the way it's always been, I remember in the 70,s taking Dark Side of The Moon back 6 times before I got a listenable copy (and the 7th one wasn't perfect). Unfortunately approx 50% of the vinyl I have bought in the last 12 months have had unacceptable faults and been returned to Amazon UK or my local record store here in Liverpool. The guys in the store raise their eyes up to the sky when they see me come in holding their store bag with a vinyl in it. I,m not super fussy I,m just like everyone else who wants a quality product for a premium price. I have now made the decision to go back to compact discs because vinyl is just not worth the price or the hassle of the returns. I,ll still watch your shows though Frank, love em.

@joet_swbo101 4 года назад

I seemed to have this problem about four to five years ago. Though it seems that the new vinyl I've been getting in the past year or two has been problem free. When researched, it went to come down to two issues. First, the staff pressing the vinyl, lack of experience. All the old guys had retired. The second, the plants have old equipment (no new machines had been built since the 80"s) that keep breaking down,. Which means tighter deadlines, that causes the factories to reduce the cool down and pressing time of the vinyl. Also they don't apply the mold release agent frequently enough.

@robertcperez50 4 года назад

I have a small collection and all my reissues are pressed in EU, either in Netherlands or Germany. Most are 180 gram. I have less confidence in US current presings.

@badvinyl4531 4 года назад

Hey Robert I agree with you. Seems my European pressings are superior to the American pressings. Also my older pressings from the 60's , 70's, 80's always sound good. Those late 50's ,early 60's always impress me. They can seem to look pretty rough but play amazing. Brad.

@johnsweda2999 4 года назад

That's what happens when you pay workers peanuts if they have the minimum wage get a better product

@ElKaaahleeente 4 года назад

I agree. I go out of my way to try to get the European versions...provided the shipping isn't outrageous.

@amirjubran1845 4 года назад

This I can attest to. I've had tons of issues with bad copies of new albums, but EU pressings have generally been very good, whether it's German or Czech. I have a couple of Pallas pressings and found them to sound especially good as far as reissues go.

@FordSeniorMaster 4 года назад

Yes. Because you haven't Mexicans working in European pressing plants, as there are here in the "U.S.A". NO quality control!

@davidellis5141 4 года назад

Just like the late 70's early 80's all over again. When possible , buy European Pressings. The exporters pack vinyl well & the importers have a passion for 🎶. You will get satisfaction for your buck.

@TheMentalblockrock 4 года назад

Could be true as I've only had good experiences of new vinyl quality over the last few years and I'm in England.

@QoraxAudio 4 года назад

There's plenty of European grey market pressings of music where the copyright has expired, those source their master from crappy digital sources. Copyright expiration isn't a thing in other parts of the world though, preventing every random John Dough from grabbing some quick cash on low quality crap. Luckily there are lists of those crappy labels available on the web by searching for: "European grey market releases" It has been going on for a while now, but the issue is also becoming more and more common with CDs.

@MrRugbyloosehead 4 года назад

Many imports are great in every way ,the vinyl, the packaging and overall quality , and like you stated, just like the classic days of vinyl!

@QoraxAudio 4 года назад

@@MrRugbyloosehead Imports from where?

@vinylstoragesolutions177 3 года назад

Most times I would agree. But the copy of the "The Commitments OST" I just got from a MOV European press was fairly scratched up. Still sounds great, just lots of hairline scratches from the paper sleeve.

@grubbybuggy 4 года назад

Almost every single new pressing I've gotten in the last few months (about 9 or 10) has had off center spindle holes. The distortion is audible on many of them because I listen to a lot of electronic music and it's very easy to hear when a note is out of tune.

@keithaw4204 4 года назад

I heard the same thing about that same record! Ugh... someone mentioned it in Turntable and Record Enthusiasts. It’s a super awesome group on Facebook, but a lot of people were saying the same exact thing. I hate buying new vinyl, but I do and have good luck at times. The crazy thing for me is that the used records I buy sound better than a lot these modern pressings. I try and stick with used because it’s way cheaper and the quality, more often than not (at least the shop I go to) sounds better.

@hi-fihaven2257 4 года назад

Hey Frank great to see you man! Sorry to hear about your quality issues. New records these days are not cheap! I don't think that I will try to pick this up on vinyl. Thanks for saving me the trouble brother!

@MikeGuitarPlayer07 4 года назад

Yeah this has been a problem for a handful of my modern pressings! Overall I was unhappy but for $20 albums I kinda brushed it off the table. What pissed me off was a $250 box set with scuffs out the box...that made me go wtf...

@j_freed 4 года назад

I remember the variability in 1980s vinyl quality, I don't think we often returned albums because the wonkiness was just sort of accepted. Then you'd get a great pressings of Pink Floyd The Wall and go 'whoah!' because it sounds SO beautiful compared the the LPs made with worn out stampers, recycled vinyl, pressings with coning, off-centre holes and other issues. I'm beginning to think my well-kept early pressings are like gold now, some of them.

@pulseflow_yt 4 года назад

I went to check and see if I had that weird thumping noise you mentioned (with headphones on) and I have it on the first and last tracks on each side. Bizzare. Also thanks for the mention Frank. That made my day.

@EddieJazzFan 4 года назад

No quality control. It's not like they charge almost 30 bucks for a record....Oh wait they do!

@duh50360 4 года назад

Excellent points, Frank. I understand your frustration. I got the new Ozzy too. Fortunately, mine looked and sounded really good. I have, however, gotten some new pressings that I was completely disappointed in. I remember getting the Yngwie Malmsteen Blue Lightning album last year and it had multiple issues. Thankfully they were good about the return and replacement, but it seems like a bit more care could be taken by the manufacturer to avoid the hassle of returned products.

@PetesCDVinylWorld 4 года назад

New albums I still buy on CD, it's basically a vinyl pressing of the CD anyway. It's not like this was recorded on analog tape

@trueaudiofiles8453 4 года назад

Although that is probably true of this Ozzy album that is not true of all albums. Many are higher res than CD and in some case much higher res.

@Albee213 4 года назад

@@trueaudiofiles8453 That's not possible. If they are both using the same master CD has much higher resolution.

@trueaudiofiles8453 4 года назад

Albee213 what’s not possible? CDs have a bigger dynamic range but they don’t have more resolution. There is information beyond the CDs capability of 22kHz on a record. You can debate whether it is necessary or not but that would be a different argument.

@Albee213 4 года назад

@@trueaudiofiles8453 I cant argue with what people think sounds better. I collect all music and love records, I just want people to understand the facts. CD/Digital samples and stores a wave form digitally and then reproduces it perfectly. Yeah it does not capture the highest frequencies above 20khz, but most people cant hear them, and most devices cant reproduce them. And even if we could hear them it would literally be noise and its very low db and once again make it renders it useless. So anything below 20khz is as a technical scientific measurement, superior for digital formats. Its all analog, digital just stores the information digitally and that's not much different than how tape stores sound as frequencies that are sliced up along tape. For tape to have a frequency response of 25khz it slices the audio into 25,000 slices across the tape over what ever measurement.

@trueaudiofiles8453 4 года назад

Albee213 I don’t think we need to go too deep on here about digital vs analog because quite frankly it’s not appropriate and really unnecessary. I am quite aware of everything you mention above it’s just that it boils down to people’s preferences not which one is technically superior or not. That brings us down a rabbit hole that religion and politics does and we don’t need to go there.😎

@vintagevinylvets1187 4 года назад

It looks like this particular version was pressed at Memphis Record Pressings, who we’ve never heard of. We try to find out on future vinyl to be released, who the label is, the pressing plant, mastering, etc before we make a purchase and that has served us well. So sorry you and so many others went through this. Great video Frank, thanks for sharing.-Chris🎧

@BriansVinylRecords 4 года назад

Vintage Vinyl Vets I have a few Memphis Record Pressings albums and they usually are very good, so I’m surprised they had so many issues with this one.

@MelindaMurphy 4 года назад

For the most part, my records have been arriving in great shape. I do get a few scuffs here and there. If I can't hear any crackle from them and the price was low, I will just keep the records. Vinyl has the best sound but unfortunately it is the most delicate music format.

@pointsbeingmade7996 4 года назад

Melinda Murphy Thats right.

@vinylcrow3789 4 года назад

Same here. As long as I can't hear them it's not an issue

@martijndegraaf1201 4 года назад

I got so many pimples and scuffs on my new vinyl.

@sean870523 4 года назад

The community should build a database containing info on poorly pressed new releases. I had issues with my recent Friday Music purchases. They were all noisy in the closing minutes on each side. The Bon Jovi and Black Sabbath reissues I recently bought had some light scratches but sounded fine, so I just decided to look past the scratches.

@malerhino 4 года назад

I’m glad to hear all the problems. My low-volume record buying hasn’t found any problems, but I’ll speak up when I do.

@terrydargavel9916 4 года назад

Recent subscriber to your channel and have to agree that the pressing plants are getting careless as of late. I have had some bad experiences with quite a few new releases. Keep up the videos, 2 thumbs up .

@Channel33RPM 4 года назад

Thanks for subscribing, Terry. I appreciate it. Frank

@saingrimes 4 года назад

I think Ozzy's camp knew the pressing had issues. I received an Email from his website where i ordered my copy. It was the Limited Edition pressing that came with a signed Litho. It stated that my package would be shipping soon and to be "understanding" if the litho and record came in less than Mint condition. Actual words from the email. It may have just been covering themselves if the litho got bent or smudged. But i think they knew there were issues.

@mrhoffame 4 года назад

These issues truly can be so frustrating!!!

@DJGeorgeDisco Год назад

I recently came back to vinyl after a hiatus from 2005 and it hasn't been fun. This videos is 3 year old and I am already tired of bad vinyl pressings. Going back to high res digital files....

@MrGaberacer 4 года назад

Most of my reissues I bought from EU , where I live are quite fine. Sometimes there's one a bit warped but not much . Maybe there's a problem in US.

@tomfurgas2844 4 года назад

I suspect that the quality control problems stem from the fact that vinyl record production (at the pressing plants) almost ground to a full stop for many years after CD's took over. So when new pressing plants emerged and old ones ramped their production back up they didn't have the expertise to ensure that their pressings were of the same high standard as before. I don't think it's carelessness or cost-cutting. Just lack of experience is producing top quality product. I think this will improve with time, provided vinyl doesn't die off again DUE TO the lack of quality control now. I did have some quality issues back in the 1970's when a lot of record companies were using regrind (old records ground up, label and all, and reused to make new records). I hope that using regrind is no longer a thing. Also; does the Ozzy album have more than 25 minutes or so per side? If they tried to cram a lot of music on each side (so as to avoid issuing the album as a double vinyl release) that might account for the low volume level of the pressing and hence the audible background thumping.

@jeffhunter4395 4 года назад

This is correct about the time,I have a little bit older album that state's "due to the length" you may have to increase the volume.

@tomfurgas2844 4 года назад

@@jeffhunter4395 I just checked the Ozzy discography and his new album clocks in at a bit over 49 minutes. So That definitely accounts for the low volume level of the vinyl pressing.

@ericnortan9012 4 года назад

I work in a production factory. They are constantly messing with our process. We press hard board and it's hard for them to get a consistent mix, and our plant has been running for 60 years. I guarantee the problems are a mix of everything you just said. Lack of experience and keeping cost down are the main culprits. Not enough quality control and a rush to production. They have to get the science right or you will have a flawed product. They are learning this stuff on the go, from old recipes. The best guys that did it for years are retired or dead. They will learn to put out a good product or people will ditch vinyl, What's the point if it is shit.

@peterx1957 4 года назад

Hi Frank. Vinyl QC issues with US pressings seem to go back a few years. I recall the major problems people had with US pressings of the Beatles stereo vinyl box back in 2012. Rainbo was the plant involved. The quality problems were frequent with that release. I managed to get a German pressed set. The subsequent Beatles Mono vinyl box was pressed exclusively in Germany for the world. It appears a lesson was learned and since then the recent Beatles remixed 50th Anniversary vinyl reissues have thankfully all been German/EU pressings. Love your channel mate 😊

@scottlmessenger 4 года назад

Well done, Frank. This was a really fair way to address the issue. I do hope the manufacturers take note. They need to give consumers like you and your viewers the respect you deserve.

@Channel33RPM 4 года назад

Thanks Scott! I appreciate you watching. I hope all is well.

@MA-ki5lj 4 года назад

Hey Frank, I too am experiencing some issues with my copy Ordinary Man. When I got my copy I was well aware of the problems people were having with their copies and I almost didn’t get it for that reason. But I did and the first thing I did when I opened it was inspect it. On the surface it looked nice, the edges were jagged and sharp. I cleaned it thoroughly before playing. I noticed when it was spinning it’s warped and the hole is off centre. It plays with a bit of surface noise on the second side but no thumping. Not what I expect from a brand new record NFG (not factory grade)

@Flannelsurfer 4 года назад

I got my copy the other day, and hadn’t opened it yet. I just cracked it while your video is playing, and yep it has 3-4 sets of scuffs on the outer grooves. There’s also some large white foreign debris on it (looks like white plastic.) I’m going to clean it and give it a spin..

@carvinblack 4 года назад

The white could be a PVC pellet(s) that was still in the machine when they switched back to black PVC. We always vacuumed out the hopper when switching vinyl colors, but occasionally one little pebble might be stuck somewhere and would vibrate out eventually and mix.

@Flannelsurfer 4 года назад

Well, results are worse than I had anticipated. Audible snaps during tracks 1-3 and even during loud passages (mostly on 2). Hole is off-center, disc is slightly warped, and super quiet pressing/muddy sounding with no mids. Definitely one of the worst-sounding new LPs I have bought in the past 20 years. Sounds hyperbolic, but that’s the truth, and I buy 60-70 new releases each year.

@iiiiii1449 4 года назад

I agree the amount of pressing defects is totally ridiculous. Also the trend toward heavyweight vinyl (which does absolutely nothing to improve sound quality) contributes to the problem. The heavy vinyl shifts around in the mail and gets scuffed and it also cuts through the sleeve/jacket during shipping. Back when I bought records in the the store I rarely had a brand new one with seam splits and sleeve rubs. Now I return records for seam splits constantly.

@rickytucker6832 4 года назад

Hi Frank I purchased a faithless box set from there website and it was scratched scuffed and dirty so I complained it was number 500 out of a thousand issued they sent me another box set out this was number 800 and something and it was scratched and dirty in exactly the same places I thought they wasnt going to believe me as I had to send photos and they looked the same I ended up with a refund and two boxset as they didn't ask for either to be returned but I can't enjoy ither as there scratched . Always a worry now and I hate to complain but the prices now we have to . Love your videos glad your back . All the best from rick

@ralfwalter3923 4 года назад

The heartbeat folks talk about tend to be a dimples, usually not deep enough to notice physically but it causes the heartbeat effect. Pimples (the opposite of dimples) cause some terrible pops. That's been my experience.

@Soulhunter1981 4 года назад

Hello Frank. First of all: Nice Video from you and I hope that this time your Ozzy Album comes to you without these flaws. I had the same issues with the new Blind Guardians Twilight Orchestra Album. I got the Limited Edition Box and the cracks and surface noises were so bad, that I couldn´t listen to the Album. I didn't report this to Record Label (I know. I know shame on me for that) but one fine day I got a surprise package from the Record label and in this package was the whole Album with a letter from the Label. In this letter they said that they heard from other costumers about the problems with the cracks and the surface noise and that this problems only occured in the limited Box set and that the Vinyl in this package didn't have this problems. The big + for me was. that the Label said that I can keep the other Vinyl and I don't had to send it back. That was the First Album with that kind of problems for me and luckily the other Albums I bought on Vinyl doesn_t have this problems up until now.

@christophergarrett4535 4 года назад

Frank aka Channel33rpm.... I getting what your saying about newer vinyl record 180gram pressing.... Some have good qualities and a lot have bad qualities..... It's 50/50 sometimes... Bad batches.... And you're right has something to do with the pressing anymore..... Anyways love the episode you put out today Frank keep rockin out with the vinyl records

@BriansVinylRecords 4 года назад

I get warped records a lot these day. It’s disheartening, but I deal with most of them. I use a file to fix the small spindle holes. I’ve seen finger prints on my new albums as well. A lot of QC issues. Thankfully my Ozzy Record was perfect. I also bought the CD.

@rcd4466 4 года назад

It is interesting to read all these comments about issues with new vinyl. As an old guy, it brings back memories of all the frustrations I had with vinyl back in the sixties and seventies, and explains why the compact disc was hailed as such a “savior” to recorded music. Compared to vinyl it was perfect! No warps, no surface noise (yeah!), no tracking problems etc. And, it could be played in cars. I still believe cd is the best format out there, and have over 1500 of them.

@illiniheel67 4 года назад

My issues were with the actual Amazon service. I have ordered several brand new releases through them that are shipped in the flimsy plastic envelopes rather than a cardboard shipping box. The results have been with all edges of the cover completely damaged and even warpage on the vinyl itself.

@gianlusc 4 года назад

I think it should be interesting to hear someone from the pressing plants. However I only had 1 return with a double album that had the same record twice. But very happy generally speaking with new releases.

@sashad3142 4 года назад

The center hole in newer L.P's being to tight happens at least 50% of the time for me. I'm glad you mentioned it. I dont enjoy having to manipulate my new L.P's just so they fit my turntables platter. :)

@goboslament5535 4 года назад

When I brought mine home mine was defective as well. When I played it there wasn't any listenable music on it.

@danmartinez5502 4 года назад

Yes around 30% of the vinyl I buy new has to be returned.

@j_freed 4 года назад

That kinda argues for going into a physical store and examining all your purchases before going home. This directly helps a store provide feedback and apply pressure to the industry.

@davidjames5881 3 года назад

The vinyl fad wont last. New pressings are returned at extremely high rates. From what I've seen? One out of a hundred or more cds get returned, 1 out 10 or 15 records get returned. I have no idea why anyone would start a vinyl collection in 2020. New vinyl is just audio pressed from the same source with a hundred problems, "but it has a warm sound" , lol, no. Lot of headaches? Yes

@danmartinez5502 3 года назад

@@davidjames5881 It has lasted 13+ years and even during this Pandemic sales are up around 17%. It's not really a fad it is a culture shift and a good one at that. The sound is warm and when listening to vinyl you can get the orchestra pit effect. Which is very pleasing as we all hear in analog.

@davidjames5881 3 года назад

@@danmartinez5502 hey enjoy what you like man, but new vinyl is pressed from the same source as a cd. The manufacturing is also absolutely horrid. The youngsters made this a fad,a vinyl boom, it wont last. I have seen the return rates of vinyl, and it is absolutely cost prohibitive, I dont see it making it.

@danmartinez5502 3 года назад

@@davidjames5881 Sorry the New Neil Young Home Grown just released about 5 weeks ago is analog and the vinyl was mastered from analog tapes. Pressed in the Netherlands cost $21.50 on Amazon

@TheTharinduTube 4 года назад

I got the black/white/gray marble pressing from best buy and couldn't find the same issues. Well, not that I can see scuffs on a mostly white/gray vinyl anyway. I agree that the recording isn't loud so you have to crank up the receiver but to my ears, it's well mixed. Happy with the audio dynamics.

@sinistermoon 4 года назад

I'm getting the thumping sound from my Ozzy album as well.

@johannkrist 4 года назад

After doing research on that thumping sound it seems as its interference coused by Ozzys pacemaker

@highrantdistrict 4 года назад

I’ve been getting most new releases on CD rather than vinyl for the past year now. There is no quality control for major label releases as far as I can tell. Smaller bands’ records - via Bandcamp - have been fine. Cheers, Tom

@twistedviewlabs 4 года назад

I'm noticing on new US presses of releases by Sony will have issues. I had bought a reissue press of Jeff Buckley's Grace album (it really should be a double vinyl given the album is over 50 minutes long but I digress) and it had some pitting in the lead-in and a slight warp. On quiet passages, there's a touch of surface noise but it's not THAT bad. We also bought the 1st Stranger Things OST (covered all tracks played during seasons 1 & 2). On the whole, no warping but surface noise for sure. Also, the inner grooves seem to have some Wow & Flutter issues... the tonearm seems to VISIBLY sway on Africa. Thankfully I only paid $24 for the double vinyl @ Target but my point was this was also a SME release. Any other label (WMG, Universal, EMI) hasn't presented any issues yet. Keep in mind, these are US presses. My son bought Skunk Anansie's Paranoid & Sunburnt....UK remaster press and it sounds amazing....no issues whatsoever.... In summary, it's a combo of things. There needs to be better QC at the plants and better handling procedures by the retailers that carry them

@happyhippythevinylguy 4 года назад

I feel lucky, mine was fine. That suck Frank sorry to hear about yours bro

@MrCatalysis101 4 года назад

The whole thing is totally unacceptable. There are pressing houses one can generally rely on and the rest are a shambles. Frankly where I can I buy an original pressing, but that doesn't work in the case of a new album like your Ozzy record. Thanks for highlighting this. About time the artists got involved as it's their music that suffers.

@tattooedfagin 4 года назад

Been seeing these issues with roughly 50% of vinyl purchased in the past 5/6 years, quality control at some plants is shocking & given the price of some of these releases I'm amazed at how many still use those crappy die cut paper inner bags when poly lined would offer far better protection. Called out one label who seemed to produce crap pressings 80% of the time & was told 'shit happens' blaming transit movement from plant to label to customer.

@OceanSoul1969 4 года назад

I had a problem with a new pressing of Bark At The Moon. twice from amazon and once from Wal Mart, there was multiple skips in the exact same spot. So I just took a chance and ordered a used one and got a nice copy. I had a problem with Bon Jovi 7800 as well, multiple new copies from amazon. Honestly, I have all of the vinyl need. I'm not much on getting new music on vinyl, it's really the older music that I like to have on vinyl, so I think I'm done with vinyl, I'm tired of getting older records with skips as well. Still love what I have, but I think I have everything I need on vinyl now. Cd's for me now I guess.

@victorsthought 4 года назад

what turntable?

@OceanSoul1969 4 года назад

leftbreak vinyl I have the same Panasonic record player that I had in high school in 87 :) A new needle of course. I have hundreds of records that post fine but sometimes I’ll get one that skips. It doesn’t have an adjustment for more weight from the stylus. Maybe I’ll upgrade one day!

@111highgh 4 года назад

@@OceanSoul1969 Bon Jovi's second album is boss.

@OceanSoul1969 4 года назад

111highgh I agree! I know he didn’t feel like they grew with the writing on 7800, but I think it’s a really good rock album

@vinniemorciglio4632 4 года назад

Plain and simple, not enough "age" experience all around in the whole production chain that in the past knew what to look/hear for now....

@QoraxAudio 4 года назад

The thumping noise can be caused by locally heating the vinyl record after pressing. You should look for uneven reflections to see it. It means that the vinyl is thinner at certain spots of the vinyl. If you have an old trashy record, you can 'replicate' this issue for experimentation by pointing a very hot hairdryer on just 1 spot on the vinyl, while the vinyl is laying down flat. That way the vinyl will not warp, but there will be a deformation in the vinyl which can be seen by looking at the reflection. I think it has to do with record pressing plants speeding up the process because of the large cues for pressing records. This might happen when either vinyl doesn't have enough time to cool down after pressing or when the heat of the steam generator is too high. I recently had exactly that type of deformation on a vinyl of Chet Baker - The Thrill is Gone Also made a very low frequency thumping noise, somewhere at the middle of the b side.

@Channel33RPM 4 года назад

Excellent insight. Thank you

@QoraxAudio 4 года назад

@@Channel33RPM You're welcome.

@victorsthought 4 года назад

@@Channel33RPM possible temp workers for holiday break...have they stoped press on it?

@yanks1fan09 4 года назад

I saw this at Urban Outfitters in NYC this past week and apparently it's colored vinyl. I was in a rush so I didn't get thought I would go back this week and pick it up but now I am reluctant to buy it. So far anything else I have bought has been pretty good but you are right. The records are a fortune as is and to have that happen is just plain careless on the vinyl producers.

@neilforbes416 4 года назад

Quality Control? Years ago I was collecting a series of two-disc albums in the "Motown Gold" series issued by EMI-Bovema NV, Holland. Volumes 1 through 4 were okay but when it got to Volume 5, The first copy had foreign matter contamination of Record 2/Side 2 Tr.1 close to the intermediate runout groove between Tr.1 and Tr.2. I took it back to the store and it was replaced, the replacement copy had EXACTLY the same problem. Returned it and the third copy had..... Yep! EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! All three copies had the fault, all on Record two, side 2 Track 1, close to the intermediate runout groove between Tr.1 and Tr.2. I gave up on Volume 5. If I'd have been able to get that set from EMI-Electrola GmbH, Germany, that issue with Volume 5 would NOT have arisen. I blame EMI-Bovema for that fault as their product is on a par with Philips, UTTER GARBAGE!

@metalneanderthal 4 года назад

Most of all of these comments are spot on. I will add this as a major cd collector as well as vinyl that new CDs and even a few DVDs/bluray are also starting to suffer from QC issues too! In the last few years a few brand new sealed CDs I’ve purchased have big scratches right across the CD like someone literally took a sharp object and scratched it. Also circular scratches are becoming more prominent but that’s due more to bad digipacks and the cd spins on the center peg as it’s being shipped from the warehouse. Also I’ve actually seen finger prints?!? Basically what we have my fellow physical media collectors is streaming is the main form of music and film consumption so manufacturers are spending much less time and effort into the making of the product because in the grand scheme of things such a low percentage of the population are actually buying it. It’s extremely frustrating as someone who still loves physical product but unfortunately it’s probably just going to get worse. The biggest issue with vinyl is it requires a lot of care and attention especially when it’s being made and that has obviously just gone right out the window.

@qualorii 4 года назад

My copy of Ordinary Man has the label for side 1 on both sides of the disc. I had to check the etching in the deadwax to identify the sides. I didn't notice any audio issues, other than the low volume you mentioned.

@lauher21 4 года назад

Hi Frank I seem to have a lot of issues with Amazon as far as buying records they are usually warped or noisy but I know other people who have great success with amazon so who knows keep up the good work

@Grouchofish 3 года назад

My collecting days started in 1970 and I can think of only 2 albums I had to return because of a defect. And I bought a lot of new vinyl before CDs completely replaced it. Haven't bought any of these new pressings and glad to hear I haven't.

@andrewfilotas8803 4 года назад

You should e-mail the record company and make them aware of the problem.

@trueaudiofiles8453 4 года назад

Just tried my copy and at least the first side sounds fine. Vacuum cleaned mine and there are no visible issues luckily either.

@melovemusic69 4 года назад

Frank I myself ordered through Amazon a month ahead of the release date and received it 1:00 Pm release date. I was excited about opening my first brand new Ozzy vinyl record ever. Bought his CDs before so when I placed it on my turntable it had no warps so that was good. I have all of Ozzy's regular albums on vinyl before 1995 and they all sound excellent so my expectations were high. Terrible noise ticks and pops. So Amazon sent #2 and it sounded cleaner but the vinyl had the worst looking defects I have ever seen. There were dimples on one side and indents on the opposite side. The rest of defects looked like the vinyl was pressed on scales of a fish or similar markings almost 2/3 of the album. I'm awaiting my 3rd Amazon order which should arrive today. But the story doesn't end there. The day of release I purchased the best buy exclusive. Happen to get the last one in Ft. Wayne. So when I picked it up I looked at it while standing at the counter and saw it looked like it had a possibility of being warped. They shrink wrap the vinyl so tight like u said it causes issues. He said bring it back if warped and you can exchange it. Well wouldn't you know it's cupped like a bowl. So placing it on one side the center is up so a clamp solves that but it is raised on the other side about 1/8 of an inch the whole way around. It plays best of the 3 but still has some rumble at the beginning. I think I'm going to wait for my 5th copy which will be the first deluxe gatefold pressing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I might try to fix the marbled black white grey best but exclusive since it is so beautiful. Just really ruins the whole experience for me !! I agree it is a good album other than the last song ITS A RAID.

@victorsthought 4 года назад

sounds like static on first..wash would fix

@melovemusic69 4 года назад

@@victorsthought I wash all my new vinyl. Washed the first one better than I have anything before. Bad pressing !

@CodyLScaggs 3 года назад

I'm sure someone has mentioned by now already, but if not here's what is causing the thump (for me) There's a very small surface bubble on the vinyl record. I just got my copy of Stranger Things 1&2 Compilation from AMZ, and on sides A/B there is a very small bubble. this bubble is on the same spot on each side of the record. It only causes the thump noise ever rotation and only on 1 song (for me) but it's very annoying because I bought that record because it's a great mashup of 80's songs. It happens on the last song on each side (I think) which is Sunglasses at Night (Side A) and Africa by Toto (Side B) super annoying bc as you say, we pay a premium and should receive primo product. Hope this helps others!

@azcoyote 4 года назад

I got an MRP-pressed copy of "Rock 'N Soul Part One" from Hall & Oates a few years back, and it's poppy and had some built in inner groove distortion. It's surprising the GZ people from the Czech Republic haven't inspected that plant regarding their quality issues. The most surprising one was the RTI-pressed reissue of R.E.M.'s "Automatic For The People," which is has a lot of crackling and came scuffed up. I thought RTI could do better!

@frederikjacob1985 4 года назад

Don't have those problems because i'm buying mostly the European represses on 180 gramms vinyl. Also the new electronic music pressings i'm buying are better than they used to be. Found it a bit strange this release to be honest. Anyhow great video again Frank! Hope to hear you soon again! Cheers!

@jasonhess7452 4 года назад

The only issue I've had with any new vinyl was when I bought Lateralus for my son a few years back and the only version they have is the picture disc. It sounded terrible and had major divots and scratches. Returned it for a new copy and it still had way too much surface noise. I try to stay away from picture discs now.

@DarrellS54 4 года назад

The mentioned issues in this video are the reason why I switched to cd's in the late 80's. The pressing plants just stopped caring. Fast forward to 2011, I started buying records again before the popularity took off again with no problems. The quality was as it should have been in the first place on the records I bought. 2020 I've gone back to cd's.

@eladiocofresi5202 4 года назад

I haven't been buying vinyl as much lately, but my two biggest moments in quality on a disc was finding the song skip once on a new copy of God Damn Evil by Stryper, and the track listing being wrong in Playing Games With The Shadow by Kevin Max. At the same time, I chalked it up to them being independent artists.

@olsfield 4 года назад

I have been freakin out. I got my album from the Ozzy camp, supposably.i haven’t open yet. Until now. It sounds pretty good. No scuffs or marks. And no hums! So I am thankful. Thank you Frank for all you do!! Volume is low, other than that it’s good to go.

@Channel33RPM 4 года назад

Glad you got a good one!

@Hatingmeisconforming 4 года назад

My fleet foxes vinyl skipped on the 3rd of may track so i took it back had a new one ordered and the same part of the song skips on the new one.

@2bin 4 года назад

Here's a solution. Buy from Juno Records UK. They have quality EU pressings, great selection and prices/shipping that won't break the bank. I can't remember ever receiving a bad pressing from them.

@dremunoz2600 4 года назад

Terrible, my buddy at a local record shop also complained that his copies were all messed up. Crazy that MRP put out a crap product...something is definitely up. Like you I also have issues with the center hole being too tight or so many new LP's have a slight warp. Too much demand and too few pressing plants, leading them to rush production.

@voivodOfficial 4 года назад

Frank: I bought about 16 new repress vinyl records recently and about half of them had notable scuffs!! Records purchased were from: Nick Drake, Spacemen 3, Teenage Fanclub, John Fahey, LOVE, Stone Roses, Slowdive, Brian Jonestown Massacre, Neil Young. I’d rather stream contemporary bands because they are just recorded in a shabby, digital way anyway. Vinyl will illuminate poorly recorded digital songs (IMO) on my Fluance (same one you have). I’d personally stop buying Ozzy records after Diary Of A Madman (but that is just me). Love your channel!!

@skidart9063 4 года назад

My friend is CEO of viryl technologies. They make the vinyl presses but also press albums. I'll be sharing this with him and see what he has to say. Thanks for sharing and I agree 100% with u. We are paying premium for a supposed premium product . I find the quality in everything now is shit. They never make things last anymore . More focused on profit than quality.

@KevinKohlhase 4 года назад

I haven't opened mine yet but will tonight. I opened a new vinyl a couple of weeks ago and it had finger prints on it.

@frankscovertunes 4 года назад

I've had a few brand new records with scuffs , and a couple warped right out of the jacket. I've had several with the spindle hole too small , I've gotten good at widening them using a #2 pencil.

@Livewire91 4 года назад

Some have said the new Ozzy CD is not that well mastered. Thanks for the video Frank.

@Onteo1 4 года назад

Of all the new vinyl I have purchased the only issue I had is with the deluxe edition of the Beatles White Lp. The original version have a pressing error on Martha My Dear and Long Long Long. The Esher demos are fine. Can’t find who to complain to. The online retailer won’t take it back, and not sure if Apple or Capitol is the people to complain to.

@351frick 4 года назад

Hopefully 3rd times a charm....had to to go and inspect, clean and test my copy that arrived from Amazon on Friday. No issues on my copy...great album overall. Definitely had to turn the volume a little higher, but it’s OZZY the volume needs to be turned up. Cheers

@skulhed 4 года назад

The last Ghost LP (Prequelle) had issues too. I bought the clear smoke vinyl. Side 1 is fine but Side 2 was pressed off-center.

@GilyBeck 4 года назад

Sad news to hear about some of these pressings. But I think it could be that the quality control is going down slightly simply because of pressing plants having to be putting out more records and are being overrun due to demand. Pushing out more and faster so they can get to the next job that needs to be completed.

@Channel33RPM 4 года назад

Too much work, too little time.

@victorsthought 4 года назад

@@Channel33RPM label says where to press so depends where you live

@sam_loomis 4 года назад

I honestly thought I was the only one. Mine is definitely not as badly scuffed as yours, but it’s noticeable on the first side. I only noticed a bit of surface noise for around 20 seconds or so during Under the Graveyard, so I didn’t bother going through the return process. Overall, it’s a decent copy in my book though. I hope your third copy works out for you!

@hmetaljustin 4 года назад

I plan on ordering the CD.

@CorabicrueJ 4 года назад

Got lucky with the Ozzy album, not scuffed but i did notice it is very low volume wise, the QC is on a break i tend to say lol, returned so many records over the last couple of years due to warps...scuffs...chips right off the Record itself, great topic Cheers

@mattkahl2409 3 года назад

Sony’s QC department is ridiculous! I’ve had nothing but issues with records distributed by them. I’m not sure of which pressing plan they’re using, but there seems to be no care whatsoever for the quality of the product itself. I’ve tried purchasing AC/DC’s Let There Be Rock three times now, and every single copy I’ve gotten has heavy scuffing, scratching, etc. I’m sick of it!

@georgedoughly8682 2 года назад

Yes, the 2009 AC/DC reissues were pressed at crappy United and they are terrible sounding.

@georgedoughly6344 4 года назад

A problem I have been experiencing lately is the center spindle hole 🕳 in the record is too small & not punched out properly.

@blindsoup 4 года назад

so many freaking issues with QA. unfortunately, i have started accepting some of the issues (bumped corners, sleeve scuffs, slight warps). but i will not stand for crappy audio - that immediately gets sent back.

@Tim522 4 года назад

Analogue Productions...Chad Kassem does a great job!!! I have not heard anything good from pressing houses in Tenessee.

@groundhoglife 4 года назад

I thought I was just unlucky as I’ve had to send several albums back to amazon because of them having bad scratches on them. Really annoying when you sit down to relax to your favourite album and you unwrap it to reveal scratches that look like someone has been skating on it 🙈😡

@georgedoughly8682 2 года назад

And you notice that it is badly warped too.

@brads4606 4 года назад

Same problem on several buys here. My take on it is PACKAGING, PACKAGING, PACKAGING. Back in the 80s records were pressed on much lighter vinyl and packaged in lighter-weight inner sleeves for the most part. Therefore, the disc didn’t get banged around as much in shipping and stocking. So now you have 180g vinyl discs sloshing around in a heavy scratchy cardboard envelope on their way to your turntable. Guess what? Scratchy scratch scratch. Cardboard is heavy and it’s like a sandpaper sandwich for your new record. This phenomenon has not once happened with any of my Abbey Road DMM Lab reissues - as in Zeppelin, Rush, The Beatles, etc. - because they all come packed in a padded smooth lined inner sleeve that doesn’t drag against the record.

@sabbathbloodysabbath3351 3 года назад

Almost all of the new records I bought over the last couple of months have had many problems. About 3 out of the almost 40 albums I bought had no problems.

@toneyisaiah408 4 года назад

Frank, I have an album by Al Green titled Let's Stay Together. It's a 2009 pressing and the mistakes I noticed that the company called Fat Possum issued the album. 33 rpm.

@irigormo Год назад

I just rewatched this after receiving some represses and want to add that newer jackets are the flimsiest designs possible and makes bent corners and scuffing much easier imho. I have 50 year old records that will continue holding up better than a lot of newer products. And then there is the over use of high gloss jackets; these are going to look terrible in a few years. Obviously, they just cut corners wherever they can as no one complains. Smart to buy where returns are easier.

@Vince_Tasciotti 4 года назад

I have heard of the pressing issues with Ordinary Man, so I just bought the CD and let it go at that. I think some of the issues stem from that mastering and pressing vinyl is a new skill set for the current engineers. They are familiar with CD and mp3s, so they have to learn the craft of pressing vinyl LPs. The scuff marks could originate from mishandling the lacquers or the metal stampers. From what I gather the heartbeat sound is from a problem with the cutting lathe in the mastering room. Some of those lathes are over 60 years old and are tired and need to be updated and replaced.

@kjkvr1568 4 года назад

Yes I have noticed a lot of service noise center holds that don't fit and splines that are ripped from the album.

@kjkvr1568 4 года назад

The last 4 albums I bought had to rips .I guess they're using cheaper paper but like you said it when you're paying forty $50 for an hour you don't want to get a covet that has a rip in it

@7JANEWAY 4 года назад

I don't buy very many new records (just basically Paul McCartney, the Stones and Lenny Kravitz). But I've had this issue on reissues (here's a point I don't see anyone addressing). As one example, I won't buy ANY record by Friday Music. I bought 4 of their Doobie Brothers 180 gram reissues and only ONE of them wasn't off centered! Because of these issues, I would think that record stores would have a field day with this. But there is still something to be said about getting your albums through the mail. This is especially true with limited pressings, records that can only be purchased through websites, and also if you don't live within a reasonable distance from a record store. The weather is another issue. If you live (and I know you're in Canada) where there is a lot of snow and cold, you may not feel like bundling up, getting in your car and driving to a record store--especially if you're only looking for one or two albums. I think the only real answer for this problem is better QC at the record plants. But this is not going to happen, sad to say, because of the costs involved and the demand for vinyl. And lastly, to those of you who have switched to CD because of these and other problems with vinyl: your time is coming, too. It's easily predictable that within a few years, CDs will have a resurgence just like what has happened with vinyl. And then, prices will go up, and you'll find quality has gone down as a result of this demand, too. And then, where will we go for physical music formats....

@j.t.cooper2963 4 года назад

I left those vinyl problems behind 35 years ago. And I have never looked back. 💿

@j.t.cooper2963 4 года назад

@muziky156 My HDCD's run at 20 bit and sound incredible compared to the vinyl copies from the past.

@shinrafugitives3880 4 года назад

I didn't buy this particular album but I recently received the clear record for Avenged Sevenfold's Diamonds in the Rough. First issue didn't surprise me as it obviously had a warping sound but when I played Set Me Free, I didn't even finish playing it because it skipped five times before the chorus even played.

@twistedviewlabs 4 года назад

As someone who did inbound stow for Amazon, I would come across vinyl records all the time. Most times, outside the mailer and with crap tossed on top of it. I tried complaining to a few managers to train associates how to treat records instead of just tossing it in the tote and dumping books or even cases of energy drinks on it. Also, advised on how to properly stow a record as well but it fell on deaf ears. If this 3rd copy doesn't work out, get a refund and hit up a local shop or Best Buy. I have a feeling it's not so much QC at the plant rather how Amazon just doesn't get it/care about how products are handled @ the FC. Ever since I worked @ Amazon and saw how records were handled by the average associate, I've refused to buy ANY vinyl records from there. I'd rather pay a few bucks more to get a better copy at a store. Plus, isn't that what part of the vinyl collecting hobby is about? The tangible experience...

@robertoschiaccianoci4769 4 года назад

Mine is AWFUL too.... also seems they did no Vinyl Mastering.... I am so tired of all those sloppy pressings.

@twistedviewlabs 4 года назад

@@robertoschiaccianoci4769 as I mentioned in another comment, I also think it's an issue with Sony US presses lately. I've heard of similar issues with recent Pink Floyd reissues on Columbia....and for what they charge for PF releases is appalling. I'm sorry, but if I'm paying $35 for a new copy of DSOTM...it better be freaking perfect. I mean...dust...I can clean...but scuffs, warping etc? Screw that...

@robertoschiaccianoci4769 4 года назад

@@twistedviewlabs Not online Sony lots of LOUSY pressings out there. Talked about that issue many times on my IG Vinyl blog but seems like a lot of people don't care as they only COLLECT... last two Springsteen albums were HORRID.... worst pressing EVER Music on Vinyl Vangelis OST Alexander.... Wrote MOV but not even got an answer .... and people keep buying. Yes pressing plants are booked but as you said they wanna make us believe it is a quality product..... which is NOT the case....

@twistedviewlabs 4 года назад

@@robertoschiaccianoci4769 it's a combo really. And yes, most recent SME US presses are awful. Pretty much why I haven't picked up the recent PF US reissues. My son's 1st US Press copy of The Wall sounds awesome and I only paid $15 for it. It's VG+ and has the original sleeves with the omitted tracks' lyrics. Anything pressed outside the US seems to not have any issues. It's also how that millennial who never grew up around records handles said releases as well.

@robertoschiaccianoci4769 4 года назад

@@twistedviewlabs my other problem is.... people don't complain and don't send the crap back as it is all about collecting not about listening. It was like fighting against windmills so many times... some people even keep their records sealed. So... I was absolutely glad that with this video FINALLY someone posted what I had experienced so many times before.

@austinhunt4260 4 года назад

I haven’t bought an Ozzy album since OZZMOSIS, so I can’t speak to ORDINARY MAN, but I did buy 70 of my 72 records brand neW, of which I exchanged 20-30 for better second (or third) copies. That is not a great QC record. I guess the market isn’t forcing this correction, so we may not see improvement until it does.