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@kleptoonthemic
@kleptoonthemic Год назад
As someone who is newish to woodworking and dependent on channels like yours for guidance, I can’t stress enough how valuable it is to watch someone mill stock in real time. It’s good to see the process, hear the thinking behind it, and see how it’s “supposed” to go. Thank you!
@HowCommunicationWorks
@HowCommunicationWorks Год назад
Not boring at all. This is a fundamental skill.
@TimothyRourke
@TimothyRourke Год назад
Super agree, I could always use more of this.
@aarondaniels629
@aarondaniels629 Год назад
Where do You get those clamps?
@jimfromri
@jimfromri Год назад
I’m part of your niche audience that greatly enjoyed the whole video. I completely agree with the premise that hand tool woodworking requires a different process that machine tool woodworking. Trying to follow the machine tool process with hand tools will drive you nuts. So much more could be said on this issue. Thanks for starting to explore this topic.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Absolutely!
@mattschreiber4251
@mattschreiber4251 Год назад
So happy to see this. I flat cringe at ‘how to join without a jointer videos’. Proper stock prep is the foundation of woodworking. This is great content.
@rollingstone3017
@rollingstone3017 Год назад
Very good observation at 8:45. I’ve noticed how hot the blade gets with continuous planing. Remarkably hot!! And planing seems to get more difficult. You’re the first I’ve ever heard mention this. Great content, man!!
@roopurt5
@roopurt5 Год назад
I love the sound of wood being planed, so I very much appreciate your not cutting that process out. Also, the acoustics in your shop, convinced with your mic make for some of the most satisfying planing sounds. Thanks for another great video!
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Glad to hear it thanks man!
@meilyn22
@meilyn22 День назад
This is the most valuable video on the internet. You are rocking it with these videos.
@brianstevens9924
@brianstevens9924 Год назад
Thank you for this. Glad to see the whole work stream on the hand planes. I picked up a couple of things, and learned that the struggle I have had with knots and twisted grain isn’t just some beginner/experience issue but happens to everyone. So many handtool method videos start with straight grain white pine and I always think I am missing something. This was fantastic! Thank you again for sharing your experience!
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Thanks man!
@ehisey
@ehisey Год назад
The secrect to know is buying wood with out them :). Don't feel bad about having issues with them, I have old pine knots chip the edge of chisels and irons bad enough to need a regrinding.
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Месяц назад
A lot of the masters like Cosman will use wood that is particularly good for planing. The problem is that many of us like wood that has more character, which basically means grain changes at the very least and slabs full of knots at worst. The best you can really do there is use a high angle super sharp plane and minimize tear out. Then clean up with a a scraper and sand it afterword. If you want to use nothing but straight grain boring wood that planes beautifully then that’s fine but cooler looking hardwood is difficult to work with hand tools. And there’s only so much you can do about it.
@jeanlucvassort6411
@jeanlucvassort6411 Год назад
not boring at all Frank, it’s a pleasure & very instructive - Thanks
@Postfrogish
@Postfrogish Год назад
Small niche audience member tuning in! I ain't got room nor economy to buy milling machines. And as woodworking is my hobby, and not my profession, I do the work by hand. It's a workout and an active meditation, you know. I'm grateful for you taking the time to show us your take on the process. I got a few new tips along the way. Been a subscriber for a long time and I sincerely hope you'll get the recognition that you deserve.
@GraemePayne1967Marine
@GraemePayne1967Marine Год назад
I am right there with you, friend. You said what I was going to say.
@darrylportelli
@darrylportelli Год назад
I try to go ACROSS the grain for as long as i can ... First i go across and take out cup , then i use a straight edge to check if there is bow , and i take off the high edges by planing ACROSS them , finally i check for twist and take off the high spots to make it flat , only then i switch to planing along the grain as it minimizes tear out .. love the videos !!!
@thegoldend6
@thegoldend6 Год назад
I love hard work. I can sit and watch it for hours. Thanks for showing the whole process rather than over-editing. Getting an understanding of the process is much easier when you can see it from start to finish.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
😂😂
@mr.shellcracker9161
@mr.shellcracker9161 Год назад
I do my stock prep by hand and I learned a couple of things. Like seeing how you used the scrub plane.
@frankhill9527
@frankhill9527 5 месяцев назад
Great video on how to use hand plane to flatten a board.
@rossmorrow3013
@rossmorrow3013 5 месяцев назад
This is a truly great video for someone who either is bored to tears using woodworking machines and getting ‘okay’ type finishes, then goes to hand tools that they’re not too proficient in the use of and as mentioned it is like miserable merry go round. First thing I leant through serving my time was to begin with hand tools, they are a fraction of just one of those machines, even that big jointer plane which I fully admit isn’t a cheap tool, BUT, it’s a lot less than: 1. Buying a Jointer Machine, getting power to it, that’s going to require an electrician etc, etc. 2. Multiply that times the number of machines in a modern joiner’s workshop/machine shop, 3. If the power supply fails, what do you do, especially if you’re not comfortable using hand tools, depending on the job in hand most times I could match the guys with all their expensive power tools/machines sometimes I would just marginally beat them to the finish line. Keep up the great videos.
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Месяц назад
There’s also something to be said for the quaintness of hand tools. Setting up a literal factory in your garage so you can make a few pieces of furniture is a bit odd. Like why are you building a manufacturing plant that costs more than a new car at your home just for a hobby?
@danielnehlawi815
@danielnehlawi815 7 месяцев назад
Big fan of the fact that you left in the whole process. I'm one of the niche group you mentioned!
@shadrackwahonya3445
@shadrackwahonya3445 2 месяца назад
Not boring at all. Beautiful
@johnbuck477
@johnbuck477 4 месяца назад
I appreciate you including nearly all the entire steps truing up a board by hand. You need to know all the subtleties. What makes the difference between the men and the boys. Ok work vs a nice project! Thanks
@garynelles
@garynelles Год назад
You made a good point about not holding the front of the plane as you plane past the end of the board. Beginners should also know that if they can’t push the plane with one hand then it’s not sharp enough. Great video as always Frank. Keep up the good work! I also watch your videos all the way to the end.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Thanks Gary!
@FrodoMcNuggets
@FrodoMcNuggets Год назад
I have all the power tools in my shop, except for the jointer, but I hate using them. Working with a hand plane is magic. Listening to you plane that stock is magic. I would watch a full, unedited build of ANYTHING. Please do more of this.
@Matt_Chalice
@Matt_Chalice Год назад
You're the only wood working creator that I can watch the full video. Very informative and fun to watch.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Awesome, thank you!
@PHONYJOSEPH
@PHONYJOSEPH Год назад
Great video! I have been looking for this type of process comparison for a long time 👏👍🙇‍♂️
@augustwest8559
@augustwest8559 Год назад
I was taught to plane diagonally to flatten. Smooth with the grain
@magans21
@magans21 Год назад
No video has explained this concept better and more clearly , and with comparison to help hand and power guys. Thank you!
@BStreet666
@BStreet666 8 месяцев назад
As someone who is becoming more interested in hand tools, this was one of the most informative video's I've watched yet. Thanks!
@Jonathan-zj6to
@Jonathan-zj6to 4 месяца назад
I enjoyed the full footage of the stock prep and appreciate it
@BostLabs
@BostLabs Год назад
Frank, I appreciate seeing the whole flattening process with the hand planes. Thank you.
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Месяц назад
I’m a big fan of Rex Krugers philosophy of hand tool work. Old school furniture makers didn’t dress every surface. Hand tool work is simply too difficult and time consuming for that to be viable as a professional. Basically, if you didn’t see it they didn’t touch it. Undersides if tables or backs of cabinets could even be found with bark still attached. The only reason modern woodworkers make everything perfect is because it’s so easy to have the machines do so in a matter of minutes. And as Rex says, you basically wipe all evidence of how it was made from your piece. The more I do hand tool work the more I appreciate leaving evidence behind. Not on show faces of course. But again, if you don’t see it in daily use, I’m not spending hours trying to make it look like a factory manufactured it. If it was made by hand, I want people to be able to tell it was made by hand. It’s one of the reasons why we hand cut dovetail pins so narrow. A machine can’t do that. If you’re gonna do something indistinguishable from a machine you may as well use a machine and not waste all day doing it by hand.
@eugenetaljaard7568
@eugenetaljaard7568 Год назад
Really impressed with the sharpness and setup of your planes.
@fletchro789
@fletchro789 Год назад
Yes, it's making me think that my planes are not sharp enough or not setup correctly. To be fair, my only good plane is a #3 Stanley that does its job well: takes thin shavings. I repaired a junky #5 plane, and made my own (!) jointer plane, and they both work, to some extent. But I see now that better does exist!
@feraligatrs
@feraligatrs 6 месяцев назад
The best and most comprehensive video on plane jointing, great video frank!
@mmgross144
@mmgross144 Год назад
Don’t apologize for showing your viewers the process with commentary. It was very instructive.
@melainekerfaou8418
@melainekerfaou8418 2 месяца назад
Not bored either. Now that I have a couple of years of practice (only weekends), it's nice to watch you in detail and compare to how I do it. Before the glue-up, isn't there an extra step of putting the two boards face-side against face-side in the vice, then planing the two edges at once so that it doesn't matter all that much if they are slightly out of square (as long as there's no twist)?
@roversrobin
@roversrobin Год назад
This is super timely for me; I have just been flattening some boards and came onto YT for some reassurance that I was on the right path in terms of my technique and method. Seeing this in real time was helpful and showed me that I'm not too far off the mark!
@johanflodkvist80
@johanflodkvist80 Год назад
Great stuff! Appreciated getting to see the whole process.
@bluedragonfly5
@bluedragonfly5 5 месяцев назад
I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos to better understand the whole process of woodworking. I'm using yt to learn how to build a cabinet for my bathroom. I've never done woodworking before and only have a circular saw, drill and sanders. Your videos are the most helpful of any I've so far watched. Thanks for going into all the detail.
@allenpadilla7755
@allenpadilla7755 Год назад
This is great! I have always struggled with stock prep. It has been a point of discouragement. You have given me hope. Thank you!
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Glad to hear that!
@MrDNG55
@MrDNG55 Год назад
😮best, complete explanation and demonstration I’ve seen (and I watch a lot)!! Thanks
@fabiomerlin8820
@fabiomerlin8820 20 дней назад
Not boring. Very cool video instead. Thanks.
@lincolndickerson1293
@lincolndickerson1293 Год назад
I appreciate seeing the whole process.
@grsoto
@grsoto Год назад
Very helpful. I'm inspired to give my flea markets hand planes another try.
@hugopetry
@hugopetry Год назад
I'm one of those who like the whole process even if it's a little long. Thanks for sharing!
@GraemePayne1967Marine
@GraemePayne1967Marine Год назад
I have a small shop with only a few stationary power tools. (drill press, lathe, bandsaw, radial arm saw). No room for others, and no budget for them either. Always on the lookout for great hand tool woodworking videos. Thank you.
@kreech68
@kreech68 Год назад
LOTS of great suggestions - thank you
@WorkingViews
@WorkingViews Год назад
well done on a tricky board. sharpen well and plane confidently.
@stub_craft
@stub_craft Год назад
You make this process look so easy, Frank. Clearly I need more practice.
@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally
Another excellent video boss. Well done.
@sureshot311
@sureshot311 Год назад
Awesome video. Thank you!
@rolandkuhn9066
@rolandkuhn9066 Год назад
First time seeing your videos. Watched the hole thing. Very well explained. Liked for sure.
@malcolmsmith5903
@malcolmsmith5903 Год назад
Nice job. Didn't get bored. My summary approach is do what you need to do when you need to do it. (Sometimes I'll take knots down with a #4 then flatten down to those - can reduce tear out).
@DIYwithDennis
@DIYwithDennis Год назад
very informative - I like the detail - thanks!
@themostar7426
@themostar7426 Год назад
This video was top notch. Thanks for sharing with us.
@coljter15
@coljter15 Год назад
Love the detailed video it's really helpful
@rogerfeenstra9496
@rogerfeenstra9496 Год назад
Thank you. It was all very helpful.
@Rossco242424
@Rossco242424 Год назад
Great video, thank you!
@houstonsam6163
@houstonsam6163 Год назад
Many thanks Frank, I'm in that niche interested in the entire process, so I appreciate you showing all of it.
@mitchh6
@mitchh6 Год назад
What a fantastic video!
@thomasglessner6067
@thomasglessner6067 Год назад
Great video. Good narration and great workmanship. Thanks for sharing.
@The_crafting_dutchman
@The_crafting_dutchman Год назад
Nice simple explanation frank!
@BeneWoodworks
@BeneWoodworks Год назад
Great video Frank, not boring at all! Looking forward to watching the rest of your content. Thank you.
@VORONM
@VORONM Год назад
Good job! Ilike this process 👍
@dpmeyer4867
@dpmeyer4867 Год назад
thanks, great vid
@todd4654
@todd4654 Год назад
On the contrary! I really appreciate seeing the whole process. As someone just starting out in woodworking it is beneficial to see all the work. Keep up the awesome content. Love your site
@ecarrillo71
@ecarrillo71 Год назад
You make that look so easy! I definitely lost my mind a few times 🤣🤣
@davidjordonmiller9686
@davidjordonmiller9686 Год назад
Very nicely explained. Really enjoy your content!
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Thanks man!
@dennishanes2165
@dennishanes2165 Год назад
Excellent !! Thanks
@mattbortz10
@mattbortz10 Год назад
Great video as always!
@neoanderson5027
@neoanderson5027 Год назад
That’s a great beginner lesson.
@Ariovistvs
@Ariovistvs Год назад
Gooood stuff, as always!
@TTSetters
@TTSetters Год назад
Perfect. I have the 735x dewalt, and a dewalt job site saw. No jointer though! I have 7 pieces of 8-10 foot by 7-11” wide by 8/4 thick walnut I have to plane and joint. For this I had to build out a 6 foot out feed table to reduce snipe, and an infeed using rollers. The plan is to use sacrificial pieces before and after each plane to reduce snipe. Then on table saw, yet another out feed table (yet to be built….ugh) to use melamine with factory edge and attach walnut on top to joint one edge, then flip to straight edge to joint other side. $1800 worth of wood and 25 hours of prep just to build a table. I agree on the no dowels or dominos. Way more issues created than solved. Straight stock, bessy pipe clamps and glue with wood bars across to keep it flat. Air dried, kiln dried wood should behave (key word, should) and glue up should work ok.
@vosifle
@vosifle Год назад
Thank you for sharing!
@christopherreiss1320
@christopherreiss1320 Год назад
I love your content like this; another fantastic video for hand tool woodworking! I find that your explanations and detailed videos help me to refine my techniques!
@hyphend10
@hyphend10 Год назад
educational and therapeutic!
@williamsmith7657
@williamsmith7657 Год назад
Fantastic! Like many beginners, I’m unsure of the right way to prepare stock with hand planes. Perfect timing, just what I needed. Absolutely loved the uncut version.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Thanks!
@ellisjohnson2766
@ellisjohnson2766 Год назад
Thanks for sharing. Super helpful.
@VivienLEGER
@VivienLEGER Год назад
good practical video as usual Frank, you almost makes me try to film my clumsy realisation and stuggles so most of the people can have a good laugh and some could learn how not to do thing :D You are very nice person to watch and listen too, i still find some reference to Paul Sellers (like the rub your handfull of glue under the bench :D) and love it :D
@halorail
@halorail Год назад
Great Video
@c0d3r1f1c
@c0d3r1f1c 5 месяцев назад
Great demonstration! I did find the shots of the winding sticks to be a bit hard to follow, though. The edge of the farther stick doesn’t really stand out against the background.
@booshveg
@booshveg Год назад
after watching this video i would never do hand planing and will definitely get a jointer , and a thickneser for those kind of jobs if needed one day 😀
@ZenithsCipher
@ZenithsCipher Год назад
great job. I only have a planer, no jointer. This is exactly what I do for everything I have ever built. It is tons of work. For softer species like cherry and walnut it is fine, but for white oak and hard maple this is just painful when you building a large project.
@Thyme2sea
@Thyme2sea Год назад
Appreciated!
@robertmulkey8788
@robertmulkey8788 Год назад
I like it. Thanks
@rebeltoharriganjr6158
@rebeltoharriganjr6158 Год назад
thank you, this is helpful.
@andrewkierstead4593
@andrewkierstead4593 Год назад
Would you be able to make a video showing all your saws (make/tpi) or ppi? I am into hand tool wood working and like your set up. Thanks
@allenwc
@allenwc Год назад
Niche audience == me. I think is really great information for beginners, and it gives a very realistic idea of what it takes to use hand tools.
@richardc6932
@richardc6932 Месяц назад
I would have riped the board, run both pieces over a jointer and then a thickness planer but then that would have deprived me of buying that Chinese plane collection. You can tell from my comment that I am a Veritas fan and it only takes a couple of hand planes to do that job provided you have a spare blade with a camber on it. I enjoy hand planing but I don’t need the extra workout at my age.🇨🇦👍👨‍🦳
@marcbarash6045
@marcbarash6045 Год назад
watched the entire video, not boring at all
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Thanks Marc!
@haithamalhajqasem8347
@haithamalhajqasem8347 Год назад
You are always beautiful bro🇵🇸 I wish you the best always 🇵🇸
@gebuh1
@gebuh1 Год назад
I struggle with keeping my planes set up and sharpened. And so many of edges end up going up or down hill
@xiaohuang9053
@xiaohuang9053 Год назад
How sharp does a plane has to be in order to plane knots ? I use a 1000 grit diamond stone then strop. But whenever I encounter a knot, it doesn’t cut at all
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Месяц назад
Knots suck even with sharp planes because not only are they hard they are effectively end grain. That being said, 1000 grit isn’t sharp at all. That’s really quite rough. I personally go to 16,000, especially if you don’t want to sand. But 8 to 10 thousand is also common. 1000 is the rough stone we use to cut the new edge. And then put a micro bevel of 16k on it. At 1000 it would feel jagged running your thumbnail down the edge. It’s basically serrated at that stage.
@swiftxrapid919
@swiftxrapid919 6 месяцев назад
what if i use my jointer to get the bottom and the side flat so i only have too worry about planing two sides with a hand plane?
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Месяц назад
Because the second two sides are the harder part. They aren’t simply milled to be flat they are milled to be parallel to the other sides. Hand planing the second face (thicknessing the board) is the hardest part of milling by hand. That’s why he said to not do it in this video, unless the project requires you to do it. What you’re describing would only be a viable thing to do if you don’t have a machine planer and the project you’re making requires the board/panel to be s4s. But honestly you may as well just flip it over and run the other face through the jointer too. It won’t be parallel but it also won’t be parallel if, as a beginner, you attempt to plane it by hand.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 Год назад
Wondering if you could expound on something? At the end of video you say your not bothering to get other side parallel, and also mention dovetails. If you dove tail this board together will surfaced side go on inside and non parallel side be planed after assembly? Sorry if I'm getting ahead of something here. Just trying to figure logic of this decision for my own edification.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 Год назад
Also another great video from Frank the machine.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Oh man brain fart, I knew there was another point I meant to make.... Yes - I always do the "face" side of a board as the inside when prepping with hand tools. With power tools, usually the marked face side is the side with less sapwood, knots etc.
@stevengrimes4473
@stevengrimes4473 Год назад
Love the video!
@malcolmsmith5903
@malcolmsmith5903 Год назад
I'll add from a slightly different perspective. Your reference surfaces are 1. for marking from and 2. for joinery (mostly). Distinguishing reference surfaces and show faces early on makes for a more relaxing build. Your reference surfaces are usually where wood meets wood.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
@@malcolmsmith5903 well said Malcolm!
@graysontaylor6673
@graysontaylor6673 Год назад
Where do you get your paraffin wax? Most I'm seeing is in small chunks for melting.
@jimcarter4929
@jimcarter4929 Год назад
Grocery store has canning wax, usually four bars in a box.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
I got a big rectangle bar from hobby lobby years ago it lasts forever
@mattschreiber4251
@mattschreiber4251 Год назад
Waxes can effect finishes. Glide Cote does not, is super easy and quick to apply. I use it on all plane soles (even wood planes) machine surfaces, router bases, etc. Great stuff.
@themountainraven
@themountainraven Год назад
I've about broke my wrist in knots before...
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Ouch!
@redlancer7263
@redlancer7263 5 месяцев назад
I don't think my plane is sharp enough
@mtnbikerJoe
@mtnbikerJoe Год назад
I cringed every time I saw your plane go over those big knots. I bet you had some big nicks to grind out of the knives after that session
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Haha well it's a lot easier to sharpen up than that big ol jointer or the DeWalt!
@1deerndingo
@1deerndingo Год назад
Hi. my name is Niche.
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
😀
@joem5332
@joem5332 Год назад
Who won their right mind would use that board for anything with all those shit knots in it
@FranksWorkbench
@FranksWorkbench Год назад
Hold my beer
@rml3wood
@rml3wood Год назад
Not boring at all👹
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