It was time to do a rotation... so wanted to also see just how much difference in weight the stock wheels and tires are compared to the aftermarket wheel and tires!! _ Please sub to help me reach 1k!! _ Music: / freemusicforvlogs
Just a safety tip when you're rotating your tires. Never sit with your legs under the truck. If one of those jacks lets go.. it'll crush your legs. I was changing a tire once.. and had my legs under the car just like you did in this video. I got up for a brief second to grab something.. and the jack let go literally 2 seconds after I stood up. Had I not stood up.. my legs would be gone. I never forgot that lesson.
Why does there always gotta be some wannabe osha fuck in here critiquing every questionable move someone makes in a video? You’re just like any asshole that tells someone they forgot to check if the chamber is clear in a gun video. Just stop, these videos are for entertainment. Not instructional 🙄
One way to battle it is to go to a higher differential gear ratio to compensate. This also helps get the truck engine revs back to where they were designed to be most efficient. Also if you didnt adjust your tachometer ratio your mileage readings will be off and will throw your alleged mpgs.
Wheels and tires are rotational mass. More weight=more drag on the driveline. Makes way more difference than just putting that much more weight in the truck. It will take more torque to get the weight spinning. That's why your MPG went way down. And you're right...Makes braking harder also.
The irony. I have this trucks twin but mine is a Z71 that has color matched grill and bumpers. My truck is a 2017 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LT Z71 4x4 crew cab. Mine came stock with the 18” wheels and 265’s for the tire size. A week and a half ago I put a leveling kit on my truck and bought 4, Fuel “Assault” wheels. I also went up 2 sizes bigger from the stock tires, to 285’s. The tires that I went with are the ones that I have used for decades, since I got my drivers license in 1990 and bought my first truck. The tires that I went with were the 10 ply BF Goodrich All Terrain TKO-2 tires. This is my first set of TKO-2 tires that I have bought. All of my previous ones were the original TKO tires so it will be very interesting to see how these all compare to the previous generation of the All Terrain TKO tires. I know that the 33” tires are just a touch bigger than the 285’s so when these tires do originally wear out, I’m going to probably put actual 33’s on the truck next to see which ones I like better. The 285’s, or the true 33’s? I really like the truck and set up in this video too! I think putting a leveling kit of the truck and 285’s or 33’s really do give the truck a night and day difference in looks as well. The good thing with only going up in size from the stock 265’s, to either 285’s or 33’s, is that the speedometer is only off by 1 mph and that’s it. My gas mileage has also not been effected at all, for the worse either. So that was another added bonus that I had not even planned on having with my truck. I was expecting to lose anywhere from 1 to 3 mpg on each tank of gas every time I filled up. The only negative thing with these trucks is because of the wheel well design, you have to be careful on what wheels you buy. You have to get them with the proper offset otherwise they will rub whenever the tires turn in either direction. Even if you put a leveling kit on the truck and still run the stock size 265’s or 31’s. If I remember correctly, in order to keep the tires from rubbing anytime the wheels get turned, you have to go with a stock 0 offset or maybe a -1 or -4 at the most I think? I’m going to have to call the shop tomorrow and see what they said about what offset came on the wheels that they ordered for me.
You might want to consider what I did on my '05 Jeep TJ Rocky Mtn. I have Quadratec's Baja alloy wheels at just 22lbs each. I currently have 32" BFG KO2 but will move up to 33's by the Spring. 57.58 lbs BFG KO2 33 x 12.5 x 15 45.50 lbs BFG KO2 32 x 11.5 x 15 12.8 lbs. difference x 5 wheels/tires Adds a total of 60.4 lbs - So the weight of a small child. To me it's worth it, better handling on a TJ with wider tires is the way to go. With your truck, long wheel base, seems unnecessary. But that's entirely up to you. A tuner recalibration will help as well as a speedo gear replacement.
It seems that the more you take care of your personal vehicles the more sudden damage they receive. I had to fix a lot of paint scratches, and chips on mine.
I had those same tires....they were pretty good until about 50k miles...then they fell off a cliff and got super slick even tho the treads looked good....I replaced them with the BFG KO2....now I'm thinking about what tires I'm gonna run next
I started watching this video and saw the road paint in your truck thinking to myself, “hmmm, this reminds me of every spring and summer in PA”. Then I saw your shirt lol. Anytime I get paint on my vehicle and there is no signs or vehicles, I make PennDot pay to have it professionally removed. I’m done playing their games.
John Wargo Nice man, spent a few years living in Monroeville, I love the western side of the state. I make it a point to return as much as possible. My wife’s grandparents ran a restaurant in Greensburg back in the day so she loves the town
265/65R18 tire circumference is 99.1", 33x12.5R20 tire circumference is 103.6', there is 4.5' more travel per rotation (about 4.5% more travel). Therefore your non-calibrated speedometer will be 4.5% lower than actual speed with the 33x12.4R20s. Thus, your non-calibrated speedometer will reflect 4.5% less fuel mileage than actual.
Yes Miles, it will of course also effect acceleration and braking. And when you are stopping you are beginning from a speed 4.5% faster than speedo says. And that 3000 miles is actually 2865
Hey man!! Rubbing was a little rough at first, I was only able to get 1 full steering wheel turn each way before they rubbed. Then after about 5k miles, the rubbing went away. They rubbed on those little black corner pieces on the rear of the front fender wells.
Hey man, I have a 2016 Silverado 2500 diesel crew cab. I also replaced the stock tires with 33/22.50/20” . I lost 2-3 mpg around town and 5 on the highway. Unreal I never thought I’d lose that many mpg’s
Mike Carlson actually similar to yours... on average about 2-4mpg per tank. I get better fuel mileage now around town then I do highway. My guess is that it’s always on the hunt with gears and stuff to keep up with highway traffic, whereas in the city and back roads theres a lot of coasting involved. Lol
Yep! I have a 14 Silverado with the stock tires (Goodyear Wrangler SR-A's). On the way to the sand dunes while towing two quad's I average 19 MPG. In the sand dunes I out run and out climb every stock truck with bigger tires. People come up and ask me if my truck is stock after a couple of drag races in the sand.. so unless you are aggressively off roading, I feel you are wasting your money.. with bigger tires you are greatly hindering the performance of your truck. It's just makes me laugh when I'm out running lifted and bigger tired trucks up the hills with my stock Silverado...
Hey bud, sweet ride. I came across your vid looking up fitment. I'm thinking about doing the same set up on my 2016 1500. Just curious if you had to trim or nor cal it or if it rubs? Also what's the offset -44? Thanks man!
Larry, Yes, the tires DO rub! But I did NOT do any kind of trimming to the truck! They rub, minimally, and now with about 5k miles on the tires, they don't rub at all anymore going forward!! When I first put them on the truck they rubbed a good bit on those black plastic pieces on the rear of the front fenders, that's it. I was only able to turn comfortably 1 full steering wheel turn, and it was annoying! But I saw that it wasn't a terrible rub, and that it would probably go away after the tires wear down some, and that's exactly what happened! Lol And yes sir, the offset is -44!!
Hey what rim and tire setup do you have ? I tried to rewind but couldn’t hear it . I really like how they look and do you have a leveling kit or suspension lift ?
That weight per tire probably came from mainly the width and the LT vs P tires. The LT tires weigh about 15-20lbs more than the same size in Passengers.
Johnithan Bush yes, I have a couple videos on my channel going in depth explaining the rubbing exactly. Let me know if you can’t find them. And wheels have a -44 offset!
With regards to sports cars (because sports car people care about HP a lot more than truck people typically) I have always heard that 10lbs of sprung mass is equal to 1HP, whereas 1lb of unsprung mass is equal to 1HP. Obviously these numbers would vary from car to car, but as a rule of thumb it seems to give a pretty goo idea. I have only ever applied that to unsprung mass on the drive wheels, but even assuming that, you are looking at a relative effect of losing more than 50HP!
Dang man that awesome info and scary numbers for what I'm losing power-wise!! I can definitely feel the difference when I swap with the stocks back and forth!!
I have a good 5-6 videos on here showing the poke, explaining the rub, installing the lift, reviewing the lift, etc. Check em out!! 2018, -44, about 3” from fender, 2.5” MotoFab level up front, 2” blocks in the rear ✌🏼 Also if you have an Instagram, j_wargo you’ll see tons of pics of the setup and poke and whatnot.
Did you have to do a lift kit? I'm assuming yes. I'm thinking of doing a larger wheel on my silverado. I'm due for new tires and so now would be a good time to do it since I need to spend the money either way.
@@JohnWargo93 Thx. I figured. Thats not much lift. I think there are some fairly simple to install lift kits under 3". Some of the bigger lifts require much more work to install.
Daniel Lopez truck is lifted 2.5”... you can run 33s on stock wheels but you’ll most likely have rubbing on the UCAs unless you run a small wheel spacer as well to push the wheel out a bit
Width of tire and even the tread will always affect your fuel milage.. height of tire causes the trans to shift different so it’s not In optimal range as factory set the system up on
When you say you can feel the difference in stopping you put up a graphic the says “breaking”. Uh, it’s “braking” when referring to stopping a vehicle.
Hey, how are your atturo xt tires holding up? Im thinking about getting a set in about the same diameter just thinner (285/70 or 33 ish x 11.2 ish) How do they drive in the wet, dry, and snow if any? Im not sure if you made a video or not, but thanks
Charlie Vang hey hey, I’m a fan so far. Been running them for about 5k miles and I like em. Great price, low road noise, they seem to be wearing fine, and I’ve had no issues in light or heavy rain to date. Haven’t had them in snow yet but I know it’s right around the corner... like 2 videos from right now is going to be an actual review on them it’s been long overdue, lol 😂
Stephen christopher mine weren’t so bad, no. Although I am going to have them rebalanced before putting them back on for spring just incase the rubber settled weird from sitting all winter or anything. I’ve heard some horror stories as well, I think I’ve been lucky with mine so far.
I’m looking to put same size tires on my 20”x9” rims. Do you have any rubbing? I’ve got a 2014 Silverado. Buddy of mine has these tires on stock rims and he has rubbing. I couldn’t tell from the rim if I have offset or not. I’m thinking not.
@@JohnWargo93 I just bought a 2015 Silverado, I going to buy the same lift set up to keep that factory look. My vids are going to start soon. Keep it up
I know it's expected to lose a few mpg with 20x12s and 33s but how bad is the performance? Is it a complete dog from a stop now or is it not so noticeable? I picked up a 2018 4x4 but that's on factory 265s and 17s so something like this would be a huge size increase
Trey right.. I mean, it’s a little noticeable from my factory 18s but I wouldn’t say she’s a dog.. she’ll still spin from a stop if I stomp on her and everything.. but I do notice it downshifts a little sooner than before on highways going up hills and such.
Did you recalibrate your speedometer after the tire change to calculate fuel economy or use other than the vehicle mileage if not you actually went further with the new tires
I basically waisted a pair of those same tires 275/65/20 Atturo XT. I didn’t rotate in time and my front wore down tremendously. I drove for about a year without rotating 😩 and I tow a trailer everyday. I’m thinking of going 33’s for my next set up.
Fitness Nation what’s up man?? I have the MotoFab 2.5” level and I like it a lot.. tires DO rub though.. any higher on the level and you really risk crazy premature wear on ball joints, upper control arms, and more.
Andy Garcia for legit off-roading probably not the most effective or comfortable.. I’ve run 33s on my Jeeps before but on like a 16” or 17” wheel. With the 20s and 33s I think there’s too much wheel, not enough tire to grab onto rocks and such off-road.
Right. You want thick rubber, not big wheels for off-road work. (And, in fact, wheels any larger than 18 or maybe 19 inches are counterproductive in any way: they're not good off road, they're not comfortable on-road, and on-track, about 17 or 18 is optimal.)
My off-road pickup has 17s; my Jeep WK2 with Quadra-Lift has 265/60 x 18 . . . those are the OE tires because I have about 20,000 miles on it. I'd prefer them to be fatter tires on smaller rims, but I don't know if I will want to go through the trouble and expense of changing wheel size. Almost certainly will put K02s on it when these Goodyear Wranglers (w/Kevlar) wear out.
@@desertpair2 I have 275/265/20 BFG ko2 's on my 15 Silverado and it handles good on the street and fair off road . I agree the more rubber between the dirt and the wheel makes off roading much more comfortable !
Jim Tumpak III hey man, when ordering through Extreme Customs they mount and balance with new TPMS sensors and ship them out so yes technically I did buy new ones but I’m not sure of the brand as it’s whatever the guys put in before sending them off to me!!
@@JohnWargo93 yeah happened to me on my old truck went fro 255 to 245 but I did it to save 100 bucks at tire store lol , that could effect the mpg stats some I also did mpg test with and without tonneau cover tailgate on and off and opened. Open was the best mileage
That’s weird cuz I did ” - 2 1/2 lift on the truck overall, 2” in front, from Rough Country, and they said it could take up to 33” tires with no rubbing.
Aron Jones no sir, my OEM lugs were too “thick” to work with the aftermarket wheels. My wheel and tire package came with new lugs from Extreme Customs.
What’s your offset? Ima get bds 4inch lift. Not a fan of 20s cause the ride and off-road quality. Worse case scenario wheel spacers for aggressive look lol
If you know the distance from point A to point B on the stock tires as shown on an odometer, drive the exact same distance on the 33s. Do the math to figure the difference per mile, add that difference x miles driven will correct your odometer readings. Went through sameprobem with my second gen ram that came stock with 245s and 3.55 gears. Am currently running 265, upgrading to 285s or 305s and gear swap. Before was getting 10 11 mpg before I figured the distance correction. Now, am averaging 12.5 to 13.5 mpg, may improve when I swap gears. If we wanted fuel efficient vehicles, we would have about a honda.
Ehhhh I doubt it can affect anything that significantly.. sure, the extra weight is there all the time, but I equate it to having the same extra weight that a truck cap or something would have constantly.
Exactly. Had a buddy not want to put bigger tires and wheels on his truck that’s the same year make and model as mine. Did a test I lost 2mpg average after I put my wheels and tires on. Put on a cold air intake and was literally right back to like it was stock.
