Fully agree Tommie, all of the manufacturers of clubs put in their marketing how they are offering premium grade Shafts then you see the TXG and wonder, why do they???? Good work guys this is why we watch your show :)
Tried the Velocore version. Not a fan. Rigid and very stiff in the tip. Requires a higher end swing speed to load the shaft. For us mortals...stick switch the stock version and save yourself $175.
Love the informative content. If theres one thing I would like to see different, is to always have the "tester" hit the driver without knowing which shaft is which. Eliminate placebo effect variable.
They did this before with iron shafts. Matt still could guess pretty closely which was which but as for a club as long as a driver, it’s gonna be pretty easy to tell which is which. The aftermarket shafts are so much more stable. You can tell just from waggling them
I think the most important statement was “is it even the same shaft”. I think they should not name aftermarket and stock shafts the same,it’s misleading to the consumer. Put a different paint job and call it something else cause that’s what it is. If you took the profile of both shafts without the name you never say they are both the same venture. Good explanation and video as usual!
They don't put a different paint job on ANY sporting goods. The fake NFL and NBA balls are IDENTICAL to the authentic ones. Same with Samba and Kangaroo Sambas. Same with Jerseys. Stop with this nonsense. You can buy a cheap synthetic leather MLB baseball for $3 and its IDENTICAL to the $30 authentic. Down to the letter. Industry standard.
@@MrAhuraMazda just because it's done with other merchandise doesn't mean it's right. Also why would you want a lower quality product having the same name and look as your premium product.
MrAhuraMazda187 I think you can have an alternative opinion without patronising someone by telling them to grow up. It’s a reasonable frustration to have, particularly when you’re looking at $850 AUD (or whatever it costs in other parts of the world). TM are clearly cashing in on the hype of the Ventus and for any uninformed person purchasing from a big box store, they’re not getting what they think they are. The comparison re baseballs isn’t really apt because they’re not marginally close in cost. The oem Ventus might be perfectly fine, but people should be properly informed. Btw I understand Titleist offer real deal shafts.
@@markwilliams21 your frustrations are unfounded and most certainly not reasonable. Literally, EVERY product in the sporting goods world does this. Every one. An authentic NFL ball isnt even sold on the market. The ones the pros play isnt even sold. The "authentic" is $135 and IDENTICAL to the $25 synthetic leather one. So stop crying about an industry standard. Youre obviously mad you can show off your expensive shaft cause it looks the same. Then its not for you. These shafts are for people who demand that level performance. Not show offs. And buyers arent "tricked." The aftermarket shafts are for buyers who know exactly what they want.
@@DanielRodrigues-hn8cx to establish a brand identity. Thats why the ENTIRE sporting good world does it. There are minor visual differences btw. They just look similar. And thats done in EVERY facet of sporting goods. Theres like 5 tiers of jerseys you can buy at escalating prices and they all looks 90% the same. Same as these shafts
I would love to intern or work for you! 10+ years of video production experience and 20 years of playing golf. Too bad immigrating to Canada is difficult. Although Toronto is one of the best cities I have ever visited, I don't think it's in the cards UNLESS it was just post. Is this happening? I think this is happening. #DreamJob :) Keep it up!
Whats the basic difference in stiffness between velicore and stock in the same designation i.e. stiff vs stiff. Half a flex ? Or is it so different that profiles are worlds apart.
Very interesting video seeing the contrast between two shafts that are the “same”, but clearly not the same. Just goes to show even more importance on making sure your clubs are built to the tolerances of the ones you got fit into.
Alex Rankin I don’t think that is true. I think your paying for the timing. When I buy a driver 2-3 years later price is super low. You’re not paying for the head, you are paying for the timing and marketing.
Chris fit me into Ventus Blue with my F9 last year and you can feel toe strikes that end up in the fairway due to the quality of the shaft...wasn't sure a shaft could be high MOI but I've seen it play out exactly that way
Playing a TM SIM Max 10.5* with Ventus Red S stock shaft. Bought it at 44”, so its frequency analysis is 275, so just about “X” flex for that length. I like the length, being 65, long arm reach, and grew up playing shorter shafts....last club fitting I did showed 44” gave me 4-5 mph more ball speed than the standard.....44.5” is about as long as I have swung the driver and had consistent ball strikes & control. Question, in an effort to get a little more peak height & carry distance, am I better off putting a 1/2” plug in this existing shaft, or buying a Ventus Red Velocore at 44.5”? Would a 60R vs 50S help at all? Clubhead speed is 92-95mph.
At what clubhead speed would this begin to make a significant difference? Would someone who swings 95-100 mph notice the same difference or would there be less deflection?
Much anticipated video here! I play with some golfers who believe their stock Ventus has the velocore. They need to watch this. That center strike deviation is the ticket! This exact thing happened to me in a fit when I went to a high end shaft fit for me. Key words “fit for me”, not just grabbed off the shelf
Great video as ever gents, I did this test myself earlier this year and had the same findings. Curiously i also found the cpm of the non velocore shaft was higher than the velocore shaft in the same flex almost as if they made the standard version stiffer to attempt to mimic the velocore materials. That was comparing a blue 6s velocore to a 6s standard. The standard was good but the velocore was just plain awesome and for me a real game changer. Thanks
Thx- I got fit ( hit about 25 shafts ) the Velcro Black - S was good margin best for ball speed etc . I put on a Taylor Made M5. Longest , straightest . Was told hand made ! I looked at 3- wood TM with stock ( blue ) g
Another great one! I really like how you described considering the value, specifically mentioning the view over ~5years. I think that is an important point for customers to consider when making a purchase.
For the first time in a long time the Ventus shaft is perfect for measuring stock vs aftermarket, this vid and the F1 Vs driving to dinner analogy is perfecto, love it lads
Matty hammered those!!! Put it in the bag! Did Matty's swing change? Looks like he got the club alittle more horizontal at the top of his backswing than in some previous videos I watched. Great info guys..... thanks!!!!
I'm so glad you guys went and did this. I've been telling players - ever since the whole Stock vs aftermarket versions started being made that there were differences. we even saw them most times in the fitting, but players didn't listen because manufacturers continued to say that "there was no difference" just to impress the OEMs. Finally they're onboard with it. Aftermarket is just a better investment in performance.
@@joey5picks depends. Some get a big difference between the two and some dont, but there are differeces for some players. If the lower cost option works the best for you, go with it! That's more golf!
Impressive display of highlighting the differences and what to look for between OEM shaft and aftermarket. The consistency and dispersion of aftermarket shaft in Matt’s hands were impressive. Well done TXG.
Same paint jobs are the industry standard in sporting goods across the board. You can buy a synthetic leather MLB baseball for $3 that is IDENTICAL to the $35 authentic one and it is the same down to a T. Same with NFL, NBA equipment, balls jerseys etc. So demanding a different paint job is nothing more than being butt hurt you can't show off. The industry doesnt support this cry.
I really don't like companies that do this with their stock shafts, the Atmos range does it right in my opinion by completely changing the graphics. But rants over lol great video guys
By the way - The TM stock (non-Velocore), as well as the made-for Tour Edge Exotics Ventus shafts are of decent quality, and they work well for many average golfers, as long as you get the correct version of those made-for shafts ... AND DON’T PLAY THEM AT THE CRAZY-LONG 45.5” TO 45.75” LENGTHS THAT THE OEMS BUILD THEIR DRIVERS TO WITH THOSE SHAFTS! For a slower-swinging non-aggressive tempo golfer who can control the driver and hit the ball on or near the sweet spot, the OEM Ventus shafts have shown some very good results with golfers that I have fitted. However, if you put a hard-swinging, aggressive tempo golfer in a driver with the non-Velocore Ventus shaft, you can get some distastrous results.
Great information as usual fellas. The Velocore model is a different shaft all together. Different specs for sure but it was interesting how Matty noticed the actual diameter of the shaft and taper was different. Other than paint colour and the manufacturer being the same - two different shafts. Thanks again for the excellent sharing of knowledge and results!
I play the f9 with blue atmos shaft..I feel like its behind me and have to swing it easy. Would you swap it for the hazardous smoke 6.0 my speed is around 112 mph thanks gaz
I would love to see this with Ian putting some fitting magic in the stock shaft...What would the stock shaft play like if it was tipped a bit and built for someone?
This video just inspired my $758 driver purchase from TM, I hope you guys earn a commission LOL! Really though, you should. Purchased the Sim 9 degree with Ventus Black 6x W/ VeloCore. Thanks for all of the amazing videos! You guys are the ONLY youtube I actually 'rang' the bell for haha.
I’ve noticed a lot of live questions about Ping tour shafts. Can you get your hands on a 70 x flex for Matt to compare to his old gamer in g410 LST. Just wondering cause I got one the way.
There is definitely a difference. To the causal golfer, the shaft upcharge will not be worth it. I was recently fit for the SIM Max and didn’t even hit one shot with the stock shaft. I was fit into the LA Golf shaft which is an investment to say the least. It was almost the same cost as the club head. However, the stability of the shaft matched with the twist face technology eliminated the right side of the fairway and straightened my ball flight as well as lowered my spin to an impressive level. This end of the market is not for everyone. I play in am tournaments and need something I can rely on to manage my misses so the investment is justifiable to me. If the goal is to have fun only with your buddies, save the cash.
As ever Guys, thanks for a brilliant, informative and inciteful vid. I really don't understand how TM get away with this, in any other industry "passing off" is an offence. But in the golf industry, it's accepted practice! PS Can I please ask that the next time you are launching TXG merchandise that you do it quietly. MrsBandit was passing through when Matty was holding the white stand Bag up to the camera and I got the (buy that and I'm wearing your goolies as Earrings) look.!!!!!! PPS But if any TXG member wants to gift me one as a Birthday Present, I might just keep my danglers 😜
I think unless you play at a tour level its fine to get upgrade. For us weekend players stock will be perfect. No need to have all the bling if you only hit it 240 and shoot over 90.
This proves what we've all expected. It's not center strikes, it's increasing the consistency of strikes on the face! With a small sample Matty proved that he would have cost himself a few strokes with the stock version. For a serious golfer who plays 50 rounds/yr on avg, it's 700 drives or so, of which a probably 50-75 drives would have worse outcomes in the year. Amortized across the few years you'll own the club (unless you're a Golfwrx member 😁) that's a small per driver premium. As Ian said, it WILL be reflected in your score
The car analogy is interesting in terms of swing speed. At what swing speed does this have an impact? For a slower swing speed is there less difference/benefit? Be an interesting one to look at. Very interesting 👍🏻
I put a Ventus Blue Velocore into a G410LST and it’s the most accurate and longest driver ever. I did not miss a fwy on my last round and as the round progressed I just swung harder as my confidence grew. This shaft is unreal. No duck hooks in last 2 rounds where 2 per was the norm. Duck hooks are my bad miss which just ruins a round. The Velocore was put into play because of the great numbers from your previous tests. Thanks guys and after watching this video no more stock shafts. This Velocore Blue that is currently in play won’t be leaving the bag for quite some time.
Go back and look at your testing of Ventus red, blue, and black. Same results you had today. Ian even commented that you were wearing the middle out. I remember it vividly because I want that Ventus Blue.
I got my self m5 in lock down at great price with a atmos black shaft. I have cobra f9 with a atmos ts black which I fitted for. The shafts are night and day.
for the same price i can get a tensei av blue 65 stiff or i can get a ventus non velo core shaft? which one should i get someone plz help or hzrdus smoke blue?
I bought an after market driver shaft because of your review ( VA Vylyn 55 gram stiff ) and it was the best money ever spent on golf stuff for me by me. There are a few people that have spent more money on golf toys than me, just a few. But the after market shaft I bought was oh so worth it. Good video guys, you two are keeping me going during the Global pandemic with stuff to watch.
Some of the Spin Axis Tilts (27.8 Degrees R) with the Stock Shaft were appalling. This stuff is really hitting home with me, combined with your episode on reshafting Matt's old Callaway Driver and making it significantly better, is that the Shaft on a Driver Head is just way, way more important that I think people understand and want to believe - and might even be more important than the head in many aspects because curvature is such a huge issue to get in control with a Driver and between making Matt's old uncontrollable Callaway into a hittable driver and now this, a $700 Canadian Driver with a stock Shaft that can be that out of control just cements this idea permanently now in my mind. I also think your recent X100 fitting (a 30 year old shaft) also shows this to be again 100% true.
X100 is still played by a TON of tour players. Doesn't matter how old it is. Their timing is built around it & they don't want to change. I wouldn't either.
There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that aftermarket shafts are far superior and can totally transform a golf club. If you're prepared to pay the extra cash you won't be disappointed. Enjoyed the vid, great work as always guys!⛳🏌️👍🏼
I just got fitted for a Taylormade SIM Max with a Ventus Red shaft (stock). Seems to really suit my swing really well. Interesting to see you swing this combo so well, Matt. I had been thinking during your driver bracket that I was surprised SIM went down in the first round.
Was fitted for Ventus 6S aftermarket version with SIM max driver...flat out best driver ever hit. Never been huge fan of TMag drivers. Big shoutout to Victory Custom golf @ Lake Wylie SC
I have had both versions, the Velocore Ventus is so much better.. Stable, forgiving and low launch. You guys forgot to mention the paint has a bit of a different colour.
I play the Ventus Blue (after market) R2 flex. Even with my slower swing speed I believe the tech is working for me. I was a believer after a couple of swings. Great investment for me.
The variety of weight and flex in the VeloCore is vastly superior, Black through to Red I guess if someone naturally suits the Blue that comes with the Taylormade then it's hard for that golfer to see a difference between them
I bought a Mizuno st 190g w a blue Mitzu Tensei stock shaft in Regular. From Rock Bottom golf blue 60 g. It felt dead, stiff as a pipe, n really light. Couldn’t hit 200 yds. Ordered an aftermarket Fujikura vista pro 60 n avg 270 -280 yds. The grip felt cheap. I’d watch buying shafts online that come with certain clubs. Not even the same shaft. I felt robbed.
Sorry, a little skeptical here. I find it hard to believe a major shaft company is going to make the huge investment required to make TWO versions of the same shaft. I mean WHY? It sounds almost as silly as these guys on eBay claiming to have "Tour Issue" Driver heads, that suckers are paying ridiculous prices for, in the hope of getting a hotter driver than my local club pro can get me. Admittedly, I am 65, and my head speed is down to 98mph, but I am seeing NO significant difference when swapping shafts with a new "aftermarket" Black Ventus Velocore S60 that cost me 350 bucks (plus 25 adapter), from the Aldila MS110 70 gram Stiff, that came with my old M1 when I bought it in 2016. I was hoping to gain 5 or 10 yards from less shaft weight and spin, to help me on the par 5's. It turned out I did pick up a couple of MPH head speed, but the older Aldila had LESS ball spin, got more roll, so no gain so far. Although I only got to hit about 10 shots with each shaft on the local Dicks monitor to compare, the results seemed to confirm what was happening on the course.
Question? If talking about MOI in shafts and dropping how does a heavier weighted shaft impact this in fairway and driver shafts? On the extreme side if the driver shaft is 90g and the fairway shaft is 100g. Fx2.0 380 m5 or the a tour limited 90.
Very informative video - thanks TXG! (I can't tell, but I think it was a Ventus Blue you guys were comparing?) I currently play a stock TaylorMade M2 (D type) and the stock shaft on that's a "made for" Matrix White Tie (a company that's since folded). It launches a bit high for my liking and in really soft conditions, it'll carry and get no roll-out - as a result, I get about 200-220 ish yards (all carry) in soft/wet, cooler conditions though in warmer/firm conditions, maybe my drives after rollout can go anywhere from 230-250 ish. Just purchased a (stock) Ventus Blue for 1/3rd the price of the True Aftermarket one with Velocore, since I currently play golf maybe at most once a month and these days, I'm not even sure what my swing speed is. Figured I couldn't go wrong trying a cheaper, Stock (non-aftermarket) Ventus to reduce my ball flight/spin and maybe once I start playing more/developing a more consistent swing, I can probably justify a fitting/getting premium golf shafts then! Side note, in doing some research to justify this purchase, I did some online fittings for other driver shafts (Ie. Project X, TPT) and it looks like the shafts I was being recommended for those manufacturers had similar specs to the Stock Ventus Blue.
I play a shaft I don't think you have in store (the evenflow riptide) but the TX-version (small batch). And just comparing the same weight of the X and my I kept the great feeling or it but it was still so stable. Lower torque might have something to do with it but it just shows that if you wanna get a driver and dont change it, get a proper fit, spend the extra money and you will thank yourself in the future.
I'm seriously looking at the Fujikura Ventus Black Velcore shaft but no club fitters around here have it to test. Will it generally lower the spin rate?? Club head speed is in the 105 range and concerned it's too much shaft for my club head speed..... Any advice would be very helpful. Currently playing the stock Ventus Blue 6s stiff and spin rate is around 4000
speed as well as other swing delivery elements will affect the results - but consistency differences will continue to be the pattern we'd expect to see
Swinging ping 410 . Nemesys 65 stif at 102 now . Got sim 3 and 5 swing at 97 and 94 . Dimana stock stiff fw feel ok . Not great dispersion . Tried a friends Ventus std and dispersion was a lot better.what would be a good weight , and flex in ventus . And colour . Sounds strange . Love the head so happy to spend the money for better shaft. Tempo is 3.0 to 3.5. Also what would be good numbers to look for .
