Yes, except for one season, when Sebastian Cabot was ill and John Williams played his relative. The children called him “Mr. French” as well. Look it up.
@@KnowWhat-1234Yes, John Williams played the butler on family affair for most of one season while Sebastian Cabot was ill. But the commercial was definitely from the 70s not the 60s.
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I always thought that Ricky don't lose that number had similarities to Song for my father by Horace Silver. I love both songs and both artists...so its a win-win.
A video about songs derived from classical music themes would have to be at least a couple of hours long. It's never bothered me - I've been a pop music lover for over 70 years. I actually love those 'A-ha!' moments, when I recognize a melody.
@@modifiedcontent That's an gross generalization, and even though the tonal system is limited, and quoting or paying homage exist, no, not everybody steals from everybody. Sampling is different, there is no sneaky part about it. It's obvious and usually mentioned.
If you are going to say that Ricki Don't Lose My Number is stolen because it has the same basic Brazilian bass line feel of another song that admits it is inspired by the music of Brazil then everyone is in trouble. There's a bunch of artists who would owe royalties to Chuck Berry because their songs have the same feel as Johnny be Goode. There are thousands of basic rock tunes that have that straightforward I, IV, V chord pattern. Or how about all the surf tunes from the 60s that sound like Jan and Dean and the Beach Boys?
I am not saying that it is stolen. “because it has the same basic Brazilian bass line feel of another song.“ I don’t know where you got that idea. You certainly didn’t get it from watching the rest of the video or what came before this section. In fact, you didn’t get that impression from watching the portion of the video that discusses “Rikki Don’t Lose That Number” either. The critique of “Rikki” in the video has nothing to do with the bass line; it has to do with the fact that the beginnings of two songs are identical, note for note.
@@KnowWhat-1234To me you have to look at the totality of a song when determining if it is a rip off of another. Just looking at two notes or a lick or part of a riff and claiming a copyright violation is stretching it.
Chord progressions AREN'T the issue simply because chord progressions ARE NOT protected. The same CANNOT be said about melodies, distinctive riffs & as Williams/Thicke learned (though I disagree with the verdict), yes...even the melodic feel of a song can cost you in court. Depending upon the lousy ears or biases of jurors, who are either fans, or simply tone deaf. Ed Sheeran's jacking of "Let's Get Itg On" was far more egregious than was that of "Blurred Lines", which not only was in a different key, had percussion licks which had totally different intervals & note durations, but, a totally different melody, as well.
No, you’re wrong. I got so tired of people writing what you wrote that I made a video that proves it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ww_3V8vNrDU.htmlsi=VSuisjnUoPxQWcU5
No, that’s not right about Sebastian Cabot. Here’s a video that proves it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ww_3V8vNrDU.htmlsi=VSuisjnUoPxQWcU5
"One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do,..." (S). these are the reasons i don't enjoy playing covers or even listen to the radio - FM no longer exists
Using Rikki as an example can be put down to you either reaching or sheer ignorance (and i don't think its the latter). Gaucho was thrown into controversy from very early on, and as a Dan fan it was a great disappointment to me. Rikki/Song for my Father however was always an homage, not a steal at all. It is very disingenuous for you to suggest otherwise. Piss poor.
I like those songs because they quote Horace Silver and Keith Jarrett, etc. I think they should have been credited as cowriters. I certainly don't see it as scandalous
Stolen Songs . Do they Rip off other songs? Or were they inspired ? Most musos started off listing to their music they loved. It should be a shout out! to the music. not a law suit. We all want imatate our idols.
And by the way… Michael Macdonald is singing bg vocals on steel away. Because you can’t write songs you think anyone who can must have stolen it. So that makes you feel better.
The key doesn't make it less of a plagiarism. Keys are not protected but the melody is. The same for distinctive riffs. Think not? Make a song using the opening guitar riff of The Rolling Stone's "Satisfaction" or "I'm Losing You" by The Temptations, REGARDLESS of the key that you choose to play it & see if you won't get sued. To this day, I'm shocked that Motown didn't drag Stax into court due to Cropper playing the intro guitar figure of "I'm Losing You" on Otis & Carla's version of "Tramp". Perhaps that's because "Tramp" was a cover of Lowell Fulsom's original & not part of the Jobete catalog. But still...Motown's sued for less, like The Impression's "Can't Satisfy", to name one.
Yes, Mr. French. Sebastian Cabot had a broken wrist one season, and this man played his relative. The children also called him “Mr. French.” This is easy to look up.
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I always assumed everyone understood that Steely Dan borrowed from 50s jazz and bossa nova classics (and God, I loved them for it because they made it so radio friendly). 'Rikki' was hardly their worst "offense" in that regard, believe me. Fagen's album 'Nightfly' was his signed confession, if you will. He, like myself, discovered music through those old smoky records in the early 60s, through the Howard Roberts Quartet in my case. Now all I can do is laugh when I hear the Dan fans gush about their originality. Okay, if you say so.
“Everyone knows” is such a convenient phrase. I was the world’s biggest Steely Dan fan as a teen. I heard SONG FOR MY FATHER for the first time a few weeks ago and fell over. I played it for my brother (whose high school cover band played REELIN’ IN THE YEARS when it first came out) and he fell over. I played it for my wife … etc. That’s when I said, “Huh, I guess I’m not the only person who was ever surprised by this,” and I added it to a list I’ve been keeping. All to say: No, everyone doesn’t know that.
Just because you became aware of it recently doesn't mean others haven't known about it since the recording first came out. Because we have. You can't assume your experience is that of the general population.
@@scurvybro8850 So wait, I can’t make that assumption, but it’s OK for you to say “everyone knows” this particular fact? If you have a dictionary nearby, look up “irony.”
@@KnowWhat-1234 Fair enough. Not "everyone." However, it's not remotely obscure or unknown enough to be included in a video titled, "Stolen Songs: Do They Rip Off Other Songs?" As if it's scandalous, groundbreaking news.
@@scurvybro8850 - Now that you have moved the goalposts, and we are discussing a different aspect of this subject, let me address the new question at-hand: Do you understand the purpose of a question mark in a headline?
Keith Jarrett asked that question, and then told his lawyers to take action. Now he is credited on Goucho. He was also paid royalties. I guess I'm saying that the answer is more complex than your question assumes.
The guy that thinks the intro to Rikki don't loose that number in his intro says hecwas inspired by other music Brazilian or something. Does that mean we should look over every note of all the music that inspired him to make sure he did not rip someone else off. There is this guy that is putting our thousands upon thousands of tunes that no one will ever hear but in claiming the rights to all these tunes he figures that using this search engine and algorithms to spot similarities in his music with commercial music say on Spotify he can sue the artists for using "his" tune. The bar for using someone else's work is now so low that you don't even have to claim that it was possible that the stolen music was ever heard in public ever. It's not just a melody but as few as a few notes that sound similar that can land a musician in hot water. Crazy.
It must be amazing to be able to be so wrong with such great conviction. Sebastian Cabot left the show after episode 18 of the first season. “Family Affair” temporarily replaced the British actor Cabot with another British actor. The actor who filled in for Cabot was John Williams. Williams was brought to “Family Affair” in order to play Niles, who was the brother of Mr. Giles French. Williams appeared on the show for nine episodes.
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@@KnowWhat-1234 You are absolutely right. I watched your related video. I do humbly apologize. I am glad however that all this happened for the mere fact that after all these years I simply did not know or remember perhaps, that this switch temporarily occurred. Of course it’s quite obvious that so many of us were in the same boat. No intent to come off as condescending. My apologies…thank you !!!
So #1: No he didn’t. You can literally see the backup singers in the video, and none of them is him. #2: To repeat *what it says in the video* (because you didn’t hear it), he was going to sue over the song. Why would he sue someone after he sang on the record? From the Washington Post in 1980: “At this time, McDonald's publishing company has ‘made claims on that particular song,’ and correspondence is in the prelitigation stage. McDonald is reportedly not inclined to sue (‘out of respect for Dupree's musical integrity,’ says a source at the Doobie Brothers' management. Michael's not into sensationalism.’) Industry insiders say, however, that the case has a strong chance of ending up in court soon.”
There are billions of songs out there and ( at least in western music) a limited number of notes. You may have heard a song somewhere that has stuck in your mind and without knowing it and without purpose you use some elements of it in your composition. Can happen.
If a lawsuit could be brought against Dupree by McDonald ("What a Fool Believes"/"Steal Away") then people need to stop writing songs because they've all been written. Both songs have different chord progressions and melodies. The only similarities are in the beat. I like both songs and I never thought the Dupree song was a rip off. Ridiculous!
A little research here. "Ruby Baby" was not a Steely Dan song. It was on Donald Fagen's first solo album. Also, that old commercial was from the 1970's (I remember watching it as a kid). And the guy in the commercial was NOT Mr. French from Family Affair. Mr. French was Sebastian Cabot. Seriously- look stuff up before you post.
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@Know What", I'm surprised that you didn't note that section of "Song For My Father" that begins around the 0:54 mark. When I listen to it, that trumpet (minus the 1st few notes) calls to mind "Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing", the chorus toward the fade, when Stevie's singing the phrase @ the 1:55 mark, & from 3:28 to the fade. What do you think? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e07Ql6mEDWI.html
Now just listen to the main melody from Oxgene, by Jean Michelle Jarre and compare it to - Pop Corn by Hot Butter, the latter was written about 8 years earlier
Hot Butter's Pop Corn was itself a cover of Gershon Kingsley (born Götz Gustav Ksinski)'s Popcorn. Interestingly, years before Oxygène, J M Jarre recorded a cover of the song too under the pseudonym Pop Corn Orchestra.
@@chouchoumuse2729 Yes I know, but I thought it easier to refer to the hit version, at least here in the UK. I didn't know that Jarre had done his own version, but you can tell the Oxygene is based on it It's just that Popcorn has a higher tempo
You said “the Lead Zepplin band.” I know you mean the leading Zepplin band - and by that, you meant the best one, the one that Zeppliniest. In fact we all know that.
@@KnowWhat-1234 Lead Zepplin, Led Zeppelin, they both sound the same. They both suck too! Lead, rhymes with "head", and is an element in our periodic table. It's a metal.
Totally different sets of chords in many of those, and in others, not even similar. You know, there are only 12 notes total to choose from. It's impossible not to cross over and be influenced all the time.
@@Cotronixco - I think you're getting it backwards. They're the artists who said they'd been robbed. In other words: They were not confronted, they did the confronting.
?… The Ricky don’t lose that number guy said at the beginning of his song that it was inspired by a trip to Brazil. Why didn’t you harp on that? The Beatles copied numbers, even said they did, were absolutely unapologetic about it, and we’re never sued about it Because I’m musical phrase is not a song.
Come on, man. Everyone knows about Steely Dan's use of Horace Silver on "Rikki Don't Lost That Number." Becker and Fagen openly acknowledged the obvious. This video acts like it's breaking a major scoop. That's what I know, Know What.
Melodies and lyrics are the parts subject to copyright. To suggest that a root and fifth in a bassline is stolen from Horace Silver is plain dumb. Do you seriously think that Horace Silver was the first person to play a one and five in the left hand? Please give up this analysis and take up knitting or gardening or at the very least study copyright before making this nonsense.
Before I consider knitting or gardening, I have two questions for you. First, if Horace Silver wasn't "the first person to play a one and five in the left hand," please give examples of three others that sound as close to the top of "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" as "Song For My Father." My bet is that you can't. I looked before I wrote this, and I could find nothing. Second, if "Melodies and lyrics are the parts subject to copyright," why was Steely Dan forced to pay monetary damages to Keith Jarrett following his successful copyright infringement lawsuit? By which I mean: In what way is the sax solo at the top of "Goucho" different from the piano solo at the top of "Rikki," except for its length? You have written this with a great amount of bluster and with suggestions that you understand this subject with great depth (certainly greater depth than mine). I imagine that your position is based on something and would appreciate you offering further demonstration.
Couple of things. First, I have less of a problem when the son of a Cape Verdean uses a Caribbean beat (vs. two white guys doing it); especially in a song that’s a tribute to his father. Second, copying a beat and copying a series of notes are different things. These are my opinions on your contention.
@@KnowWhat-1234 really ? the same thing said Dizzy Gillespie when the song Manteca was recorded, Dizzy never gave credit to his percusionist , Luciano Pozo ,who create the first vamp of the song..was pure cuban..not cape verdian or white guys......this is my opinnion on your contention
@@KnowWhat-1234 You would never argue the same way if someone from the caribbean, latin america, or similar took an european song and made it his own though, which has happended many times. (This is probably not going to pass the thought police, but I try anyway. Perhaps you can see it before it's removed.)
@@johndaugherty3000 As a musician, I think you have a logical and valid point. I myself have said this many times previously to my bass instructor. It is bound to happen. Peace and love🎶
