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Stoneforge Mystic Just Got a Power Boost | Vintage Cube Draft 

Luis Scott-Vargas
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Assimilation Aegis and Stoneforge Mystic is a big game - will my pick 1 SFM get there?
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@MatthewForsytheHi
@MatthewForsytheHi 21 день назад
LSV: Bet you can't guess what I take first Me, seeing the thumbnail: Bet I can 😎
@NINtastisch
@NINtastisch 20 дней назад
honestly kinda sucks. i don't mind the give aways of the title/thumbnail most of the time. but if it's the question in the very first 20seconds, it takes away a lot of it.
@888ian2
@888ian2 20 дней назад
​@@NINtastischthe important part of that bit is the explanation instead of the guessing game, at least to me
@hugovallssabater4998
@hugovallssabater4998 21 день назад
i really apreciate that you upload even the drafts that go poorly because sometimes i do horrible and feel like trash but if even the goat gets screwed from time to time i cant be harsh on myself
@rissolepower
@rissolepower 20 дней назад
Thanks for posting drafts like this and staying mostly positive throughout. We all have drafts that go like this, and this is the sort of thing that puts me massively on tilt. It's a good reminder that it's just a game and sometimes things don't go your way
@Spaccaspecchi
@Spaccaspecchi 21 день назад
"Plot their Mana Leak with your Interruptor" might not have been the best example for which counterspells you can realistically strand with the card 😅
@atriusfox
@atriusfox 21 день назад
While I get what you are saying here, it's not like people don't play cars like mana leak to get you to tap out, and this would be a tempo play, so it's not non zero. But yeah 3 mana open to 'cast interruptor' yadayada
@manfredire8370
@manfredire8370 21 день назад
Seems like a card that pairs with Vial, so might happen to tap for something and then vial in this for the mana leak
@philosopherhobbs
@philosopherhobbs 20 дней назад
Why? People do tap out quite a bit in vintage Cube. I've seen many games where holding up a counterspell rather than accelerate mana is the wrong play.
@manfredire8370
@manfredire8370 20 дней назад
@@philosopherhobbs he is talking about the fact that you don't spend 3 mana to cast interruptor on a mana leak, you just pay the mana leak
@philosopherhobbs
@philosopherhobbs 20 дней назад
@@manfredire8370 , then that's even dumber. That assumes you've got 5, 6 or 7 mana for 2, 3, or 4 mana cards.
@Kendal411
@Kendal411 21 день назад
That first round was definitely something. Bk with some disgusting draws in both games. Feels like the last few white drafts have been cursed as hell.
@BarginsGalore
@BarginsGalore 21 день назад
this is the earliest i’ve seen lsv take jitte in years
@fjordojustice
@fjordojustice 20 дней назад
This seemed like a pretty sick deck, I always love a solid mono white deck, and ephemerate is so cool when it works. Wish we'd gotten to see you play it.
@turbobrew
@turbobrew 20 дней назад
BK putting the smack down
@MichaelVonKorff
@MichaelVonKorff 21 день назад
Whatever curse affected the matches in this draft aside... I wonder if in the match 3 game where the Stoneforge Mystic and Mother of Runes got Arc Trailed, it might have been better to leave up Ephemerate. Setting aside that we now know the opponent had Arc Trail in hand, it seems like we were almost certain to win the game if we untapped with the Stoneforge, so keeping Ephemerate available might have left us with the best odds of victory.
@atriusfox
@atriusfox 21 день назад
I came to say this. Especially against a RG deck that can't do anything about kaldra. And you aren't worried about wraths either, so it's not like waiting a turn on mother mattered that much.
@kristopherhergenrather9578
@kristopherhergenrather9578 21 день назад
No need to wonder. That was an absolute punt.
@dylanm.4875
@dylanm.4875 20 дней назад
@@kristopherhergenrather9578 Captain hindsight gets in with the obvious punt line fresh from not having gotten dicked 2 matches in a row.
@kristopherhergenrather9578
@kristopherhergenrather9578 20 дней назад
​@@dylanm.4875 ​Dicked or not OP is correct. Ephemerate on Stoneforge gets Aegis in hand if a removal spell is played. It guarantees the Kaldra in play next turn barring two removal effects. The decision to play Mother of Runes lost LSV the game. LSV had a more optimal line of play to almost guarantee the result he desired of getting Kaldra in play next turn, but chose not to take it. That's a punt.
@dylanm.4875
@dylanm.4875 20 дней назад
@@kristopherhergenrather9578 Oh of course, I am not arguing that it's a punt, I'm arguing that it's extremely easy for you to call it a punt after watching the results of the punt play happen then pausing the video and thinking about alternative lines while not being tilted at all and then dropping into the comments section like a righteous crusader and telling everyone how obvious it was. OP probably knew it was a guaranteed punt and was simply using tactful wording because it was pretty obvious that by match 3 LSV might have been "slightly tilted" after losing to not drawing an island 17 turns in a row in a game where his opponent gave him a free card for 4 life.
@bricelory9534
@bricelory9534 21 день назад
Always enjoy when LSV mixes up his archetypes a bit. Weenie is always fun for a change of pace! EDIT: obviously this was written before the games. I feel the frustration of this draft implicitly.
@pyromusicman21
@pyromusicman21 21 день назад
I like no initiative. It's such a time pressure, really nerfs control strategies and just feels overall OP to me.
@johnathonhiner3015
@johnathonhiner3015 21 день назад
Solid mech.
@stephenglaeser7830
@stephenglaeser7830 21 день назад
Cutting it really nerfs aggro though, especially ww as we saw.
@zaneghiskhan
@zaneghiskhan 20 дней назад
Agreed
@Sicktoid
@Sicktoid 20 дней назад
@@stephenglaeser7830 I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from these games. LSV drew poorly, opponents drew really well.
@fjordojustice
@fjordojustice 20 дней назад
Initiative is a pretty cool (and skill-testing) minigame when it comes down on a relatively even board state and both players have to manage battling for initiative with their board presence and life total. Unfortunately a lot of the time Initiative creatures seem to be best used as a free win when ramped into. Less interesting back and forth, more "play an initiative creature before the opponent has had a chance to develop their board, instantly win", which doesn't create the most interactive games of magic. This is most obvious with White Plume Adventurer, and why I think LSV was smart to leave it out of his cube for a while even with the other initiative creatures in there. Games with turn 2 White Plumes are simply not actual games of magic, even compared to other 3 drops being ramped into on turn 2.
@Promatim
@Promatim 20 дней назад
I guessed Lim-Dul's Vault and was super duper wrong. But I'm more impressed that I jedi-mind-tricked myself into ignoring the video title? We count those wins.
@acommoner11
@acommoner11 21 день назад
Oof, rough to watch matches like these where nothing seems to break your way, but happens to all of us! Hope to see another of these sometime where we can actually see it pop off :D
@Gorz204
@Gorz204 20 дней назад
LSV please do not underestimate Lavaspur boots+ Urzas Saga. turn 2 construct and turn 3 construct fetching the boots and throwing them on the new construct is legitimately tearing up the legacy meta right now. You had it giftwrapped and handed to you. It's 100% worth building around the next time you get the opportunity.
@mattwecrazy3236
@mattwecrazy3236 20 дней назад
I enjoyed watching thisore than most vids! Keep the great attitude!!
@pauldaulby260
@pauldaulby260 21 день назад
fun first pick, excited to see where this goes. I know collectors cage just got cut, but i think its worth trying windbrisk heights again. Creatures are so much better now, and white is playable in more decks, its quite common for vintage cube games to have 3 creatures out and able to attack.
@Zii_Vii
@Zii_Vii 20 дней назад
Omfg why'd you have to remind me of that time twister into 6 lands. That shit still gives me nightmares 😂😭 funnily enough I had a similar thing happen in an OTJ draft today. I cast Villainous Wealth for 5 and hit all lands and then slowly bled out on my desk as I had just thinned their deck of most of its lands, they ofc only drew gas.
@13jrohrer
@13jrohrer 21 день назад
Geez those first two matches were painful, I'd have to quit playing for the week after those experiences.
@Quicknick777
@Quicknick777 21 день назад
That's what happens when you don't pick miscalc p1p1
@googleplusisterrible4837
@googleplusisterrible4837 20 дней назад
BK laughing maniacally
@jankasmann4042
@jankasmann4042 21 день назад
I was laughing so hard during match 1 :D
@duncanwalla7014
@duncanwalla7014 21 день назад
Any thought on adding Kellen to the cube? The Boros one that search’s up equipment? Could act as a second copy of stone forge (although admittedly not as good).
@williammartell4821
@williammartell4821 21 день назад
Shadowspear pack 2 pick 2 to go with the Saga over Adeline?
@chrysoarr5237
@chrysoarr5237 21 день назад
Good timing
@decoutan3900
@decoutan3900 19 дней назад
The guess for Pick 1 was spoiled by the title Wolf have otherwiese been a nice guessing Game
@macklinrw
@macklinrw 20 дней назад
LSV, isn't the urza's saga + skull clamp really good since it can tutor and make a dude to draw off of, plus the combo potential with adeline and all the white weenies just make it a crazy card that can run away with games? You would have two tutors for skullclamp including the stoneforge. Or do you still value the free removal from solitude more?
@jeffbriem
@jeffbriem 21 день назад
Some days, they just always have it. Some days your deck just hates you. Both those days fell on the same day today
@piercearora7681
@piercearora7681 21 день назад
I'm always yelling at the screen for you to take the Stoneforge. Great to finally see the card shine!
@joshuaph85
@joshuaph85 21 день назад
I never saw Stoneforge shine in this video. Lol
@googleplusisterrible4837
@googleplusisterrible4837 20 дней назад
Did you comment before watching?
@Hanslineman
@Hanslineman 19 дней назад
Pack 2 Pick 11 isn’t there an argument for Seat of the Synod as a fetchable land for Urzas saga, especially if you won’t play evangelist?
@PhakeJake
@PhakeJake 21 день назад
14:53 Since you'd have to cut something for Emperor, is it worth taking Hedge Maze since Heath can get it? Maybe not cause this deck really doesn't want taplands and you already have one, and it doesn't really want nonwhite lands.
@alexanderdickens2517
@alexanderdickens2517 21 день назад
Considered any other equipment payoffs in the cube? You had access to a lot of C- level equipment here, and it would be cool if there was an incentive for those cards now that Stoneforge has so many value options
@UCKSpree
@UCKSpree 21 день назад
I'm not sure mono-W is powerful enough to be competitive without any fast mana, or initiative. 1-2-3 is often not fast enough, and there aren't many ways to get card advantage. You drew poorly, and your opponents drew well, so it's tough to be too critical of the deck. Mono W can also be particularly annoying to play, because as you pointed out, lines are narrower and you have to spend the majority of the match watching your opponents clock slowly drain. Thanks for all the content, LSV, I appreciate your efforts!
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 21 день назад
Initiative, Monarchy and Thassa’s Oracle could all be removed from cube.
@zivkobabz
@zivkobabz 21 день назад
Oof that was a beating and a half. Yikes :D
@bravosyx3922
@bravosyx3922 20 дней назад
Mana screw is in fact great for magic.
@quarkraven
@quarkraven 20 дней назад
everyone talks about the magic gods but how about the magic devils that d/c'd Luis in order to shuffle away the much needed lands off the top of his deck? let us unite in winning vibrations to put LSVs excellently drafted decks into the right order
@jesselove3715
@jesselove3715 21 день назад
@53:00 why not attack the player with both? Trample damage? I probably missed something.
@jesselove3715
@jesselove3715 21 день назад
Oh. They can double block and still eat food with their chumpers as mana source.
@thugsherrin
@thugsherrin 21 день назад
Daily Cube Dose, just what the doctor ordered!
@QibingZero
@QibingZero 20 дней назад
I like to joke that some of these drafts are just LSV posting bad beats stories in video form, and well, after this one I think I might actually be on to something...
@ska3041
@ska3041 21 день назад
I don't think I need to hate the abrade potentially famous last words
@justinwendt3472
@justinwendt3472 21 день назад
Seeing Aragorn last pick in so many packs lately, what's up with that??
@MTGHistorian
@MTGHistorian 21 день назад
I bump my lunch break an hour back for this. I love it
@TheTomTracey
@TheTomTracey 21 день назад
Just going to skip over the fact that your team carried you to a hard-fought draw after this beating? 😂 Man, I knew you had a rough draft but didn't realize how rought until I watched here.
@LSVargas
@LSVargas 20 дней назад
My team did carry me, including you 🙏
@BryanRamirez1
@BryanRamirez1 20 дней назад
Somehow, through watching your videos, I've passed my curse to you. I'm sorry.
@xardas149
@xardas149 21 день назад
I think he kinda threw the last match game 1. Greeding for the stoneforge AND mother with ephemerate in hand to protect the stoneforge (and grabbing the removal equip before i can be drawn if you are forced to use it) was obv punish to the max by arc trail, but also a poor play imho. the gruul player obv has no choise vs a potential kaldra to kill stone forge, so tapping out with the trick in hand vs a forced play by the opponent certainly not LSVs best day of magic :D Tho the draws/mulligans and solitude playing hide and seek in his deck certainly wasnt helpful.
@bensonbird9929
@bensonbird9929 21 день назад
Hard to participate in the guessing game after reading the title 😂
@thecyclamen9106
@thecyclamen9106 20 дней назад
Should have taken Miscalc first pick I suppose.
@simonemengozzi6778
@simonemengozzi6778 20 дней назад
When I see Luis 0-3, i feel less bad at the game😅
@DoomDG
@DoomDG 21 день назад
Not flickering the aegis just seems wrong.
@shevek5934
@shevek5934 21 день назад
If you're gonna quiz us on your first pick, maybe don't put it in the title...
@bradleytinney6969
@bradleytinney6969 21 день назад
Please join us for LSV'S descent into madness
@roippi3985
@roippi3985 21 день назад
White creatures were looking underpowered, whew, glad they got help
@turbobrew
@turbobrew 20 дней назад
No respect for the jeweled amulet in your mono 3 drop deck?
@Armcode
@Armcode 21 день назад
Based on title I guessed stoneforge.
@LaserfaceJones
@LaserfaceJones 21 день назад
Did we ever find out why he attacked with the elf there?
@Stokkeland23
@Stokkeland23 21 день назад
This is an attack i make less than 2% of the time. But if i do make this absurb looking attack there is a thought process behind it and some alarm bells should go off. I considere this Elf an excess resource with it's biggest utility being that it is able to hit for 1 this turn before he plays something that can block it. I essentially decided to get in for 1 damage, and if it dies i get 4 damage. My deck's manacap was 5 and it has no ability to draw cards. I also have land drops for the next few turns. I am essentially a bit flooded and my deck was about as aggressive as a burn deck. You can think of the play as a mono red deck deciding to chain lightning you for 3 on turn 1. That's how confident i felt in this deck's ability to deal damage. But yeah, i would almost never make this attack. This was just an extremely rare case where i valued 1 dmg or 4 life over the utility of the Elf.
@theoletigeronaskateboardtrick
@theoletigeronaskateboardtrick 20 дней назад
try 42!
@osmondgo8362
@osmondgo8362 21 день назад
I think we all learned that WW is never the way to go.
@markrosen6560
@markrosen6560 21 день назад
Never gets a mox, hmmm, certainly not 3 in one draft....😂
@MarkAvo
@MarkAvo 20 дней назад
But did she?
@painterdubs
@painterdubs 20 дней назад
First pick pack 3 hate pick..gotta hate it.
@paulthetexan
@paulthetexan 21 день назад
Hmm, LSV is running like I usually do, maybe if I draft I'll run like he usually does... edit: nope.
@elleeVee
@elleeVee 21 день назад
pause: 2 picks in and hes got a stoneforge and a skyclave lsv blink twice if you need help
@Zii_Vii
@Zii_Vii 20 дней назад
These games were ROUGHHHHHH OOF
@joshstromer5640
@joshstromer5640 21 день назад
I think I know why the draft was cursed. You were supposed to draft UW Cheons, not uW aggro.
@leeharvey6574
@leeharvey6574 21 день назад
Certainly this enough bad beats to make up for the DT Thassa's run
@thebarnyardmtg
@thebarnyardmtg 21 день назад
No Initiative
@artemi7
@artemi7 21 день назад
Man what the heck was that Elf attack? We they really that eager for 4 damage?
@Stokkeland23
@Stokkeland23 21 день назад
I make this attack less than 2% of the time because it's an absurd looking attack. I answered another guy in greater detail. This was just an extremely rare case where i valued the dmg of the elf over the utility it could offer me.
@nickk6556
@nickk6556 20 дней назад
@@Stokkeland23 idk why everyone freaked over this attack. Is it impossible to imagine a scenario where Vexing Devil is better than Llanowar Elf? I feel like 5-7ish% of the time it probably is. Not that controversial
@Stokkeland23
@Stokkeland23 20 дней назад
@@nickk6556 It'a a decision that is out of the norm or against the consensus. Just because something is the correct play 99% of the time does not mean it's always correct. I also think Lsv was abit frustrated in this video towards the end. This attack might be wrong aswell. I think it was the correct decision and i'd do it again. I don't care if it looks crazy and absurd hehe. If i think a play is good i'll make it regardless of how crazy it looks.
@Eyrie007
@Eyrie007 20 дней назад
Land Destruction is one of the cheapest ways to win a game. I absolutely despise it.
@paulallison3974
@paulallison3974 21 день назад
solitude got pretty shy on you...
@jasmint6703
@jasmint6703 20 дней назад
Rage quitting on your behalf for these games.
@danielhenry6777
@danielhenry6777 21 день назад
what is this cube half OTJ and half vintage cube
@cesarramon4636
@cesarramon4636 20 дней назад
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@vampirelord1892
@vampirelord1892 21 день назад
BRING BACK COMET!!! FUUUUU-
@eitansoussan8158
@eitansoussan8158 21 день назад
So sad when the seat of the synod got ignored because it could have been taken by the urza s saga.
@intheshadowswewait
@intheshadowswewait 20 дней назад
Record well deserved for going blue for no reason
@pyromusicman21
@pyromusicman21 21 день назад
Mic is way too hot- we can hear every time you swallow. ASMR MTG.
@jesselove3715
@jesselove3715 20 дней назад
Bro ... I literally switch out my senheisers for generic Bluetooth because I can hear... Way to much... Lol. There is a whole saga from like 6mos ago regarding mic comments so I leave him alone. He tried. :) try a really cheap POS pair of headphones. Helps me. :)
@jesselove3715
@jesselove3715 20 дней назад
@1:00:00 flicker the aegis to get a questing beast?
@helloyou5549
@helloyou5549 21 день назад
bad beats DAMN
@dickdeoreo
@dickdeoreo 21 день назад
Wearfox? Where’d it go? As I dad, I much appreciated this
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