@madolite Fair points, I get what you're saying and I agree. But at the end of the day as a general statement, which is what the title of the video is.. to "stop comparing these games," isn't the purpose served here. He's painting the differences by *comparing* them and showing how they aren't as similar as people claim they are through constant *comparison.* So saying "these games aren't the same," or something like that is definitely valid. But that isn't what's really portrayed here for what it's worth. This video itself is a massive comparison of the two games, whether to display the differences or not, it is the same thing (by principle) that most other people are doing. Not that many people, from what I've seen, have actually said these are basically the same games. They've more-so pointed out similarities and this video does just about the opposite. It's mildly hypocritical if you just take it at base value. It's pure comparison by definition and by theme. No disrespect this is just how I see it.
Enshrouded needs water. Literally. Some way to create a pond or a small river in a way. Maybe make the terrain around the water un-destroyable. But i just cant help but imagine this game with some natural rivers and lakes on the map.
@@eternal7912 We need water man seriously. Desperatly. Ive never had a valheim build without water somewhere in or around it, it would just make enshrouded so much better
@@ATIHO98 I haven't played Enshrouded yet but I hope to soon, just once I have time. I'm just so used to games where you use materials or pay in game currency to repair items, or games like raft where stuff just breaks forever, but I love games where you can easily repair stuff or repair it for free. It would make sense to use some materials, kind of like minecraft, but I hope the irongate team keeps it free forever
I've never played Enshrouded, but the vibes I get are that it's like if you combined 75% Skyrim and 25% Minecraft, where Valheim feels like the opposite ratio
the thing about valheim is, you feel rewarded building your house. i kinda hard how to explain that but that's the feeling i get when my first home base was finished.
The thing I don’t like about building in Enshrouded is all the extra fiddly steps to get the same result as in Valheim. You want to build a wall in Valheim? As long as you have the materials you just plop it into the world. In Enshrouded you have to make stone blocks or wooden blocks or straw blocks first and clog up your inventory before putting something down. Want to make a torch in Valheim? BAM, place it straight into the world as long as you have the materials needed. You don’t have to craft it first, then get it out of your bag or the other hot bar that you don’t happen to be on and then place it. Valheim’s elegant simplicity really spoiled me.
Fantastic point. Building in enshrouded is a helluva lot more fiddly. I find myself just wishing I could put down some stairs for future access in an area, but you cant without putting down an altar first..then building the blocks then the fixed angle snap then the hotbar thing...I hope they fix that somewhat in the future.
Both of these games are so good. I'm glad to see someone else discuss this, because it's a shame that so many people can't just let games share similarities without trying to turn it into a competition.
@@kuuro1641 even then it comes down to personal preference saying one is better than the other because you cant afford both gives me real "buyers remorse" vibes
My biggest problem with Valhiems buildings is simply the lack of an early game stone wall/flooring. I'm going to be honest, buy the time I get the stone cutter my base is well under-way and I tend to stick with one theme for an area, so there is almost no chance of me using stone at this stage of the game becasue of this. I feel Valhiem really-really needs a early game stone building option.
I hear you. A complete tear down instead of an easy, "click replace," with the stone structures led me to do similarly. My initial house in the meadows becomes my main portal hub. After all the wood/core wood construction, I only build a concrete outpost later on in the game.
Couldn't agree more. I wish there were a sort of rougher, cobblestone-like stone you could build with, kinda like the old stacked stone fences and walls you see in northern Europe
Its one of those things where you're better off building a new base if you have the patience for it. Our first base was a large wooden one in the meadows, second just one stone central hub building in the black forest bordering the swamp, and third base was a giant stone fortress with stone-tiled pavilions in the plains once we had accumulated a bunch of stone throughout our playthrough. Each base we spent a significant amount of time at before moving on, so it made the prospect of making a new base with different materials and techniques we learned along the way exciting.
Dude this huge hole in the game experience has turned me totally off to Valheim. I’ve tried it four times and could simply not bring myself to have fun. It sucks cus I know I’d love it if I made it through, but I just didn’t have the patience. I might try again, but you’re so right. If they fixed this issue it would be huge!
I usually compare Enshrouded to Subnautica, rather than Valheim. Hand-crafted world, narrative driven story, and somewhat fixed build pieces. I still love all 3 games to pieces, but I don't put Enshrouded in the same box as Valheim.
He didn't do the best job at pointing it out, but there's a difference between comparing 2 games and saying "this game is the best game ever and that other game is just a copy ripoff pile of trash" and a lot of gamers tend to do the latter when comparing games. Enshrouded and Valheim have MANY similarities from the visual style and color palette to similar gameplay mechanics. However what some people feel the weird need to do is then say "Valheim is shit, Enshrouded is the better game" or vice versa. Both are amazing games and have their own specialties and differences that make their playthroughs feel unique and their own thing.
Bosses: Valheim and Enshrouded definitely have different definitions of "bosses". Valheim's definition are as you said, fights you need to prepare for. They FEEL like actual boss fights as well, and after beating them you feel like you were rewarded by gaining access to the next biome and unlocking new weapons and armor to beat the next boss. Enshrouded however, has no actual boss fights aside from the Fell Wisp Wyvern which is the only fight in the game that feels like a proper boss but doesn't really reward the player in any capacity other than "congrats, you beat it". The World: The world in Valheim is so massive there's just no words to describe it. Yes it's pre-generated each time so everything isn't the same every time you make a new world but I think it adds to replay ability as opposed to a world where everything is static. Valheim DOES have some repetitiveness when it comes to biomes but I think that's completely fine. Enshrouded's world feels more immersive BECAUSE it was handcrafted and not pre-generated each time. Each game's world feels completely different but that's fine because both games are amazing in their own right. Crafting/Gathering: Valheim's item collection definitely feels like a chore and I think there could be some improvements. Limiting some items from being teleported I think is fine because it forces you to carefully bring it all back to base and it feels rewarding when you make that new weapon you saw someone else carrying. It just feels like you've accomplished something by manually carrying everything you've collected back to base. Enshrouded doesn't feel the same at all. It allows you to teleport anytime and anywhere as long as you aren't in the shroud which removes that feeling of accomplishment with "I've finally brought back what I needed to craft that weapon/armor". It also doesn't reward you as much when you just open a chest that's out in the open and immediately have a good weapon to use. The upgrading system in Valheim is more rewarding as well as opposed to Enshrouded because it requires more of that weapon's material compared to a common item that you get by just running around randomly in Enshrouded. Building: This aspect I think Enshrouded definitely takes the point over Valheim because you can edit every little individual "block". It makes me think more Sons of The Forest where building is more freeform. Valheim's building definitely has a lot of aesthetic but Enshrouded's building has more customization and is a LOT more freeform. I don't think there's much more say except that this game has more options than Valheim. The fact that Enshrouded's building system is customizable with changing every little bloc gives it the edge over Valheim. I don't think they SHOULD be compared to each other but it's nice to see what each game offers and I think both are great at offering certain aspects. It does come down to which game does what better and that's great to see, even if both games aren't entirely the same genre, one being an RPG with survival aspects and the other being completely opposite.
Theres one BIG difference in the Games building Systems and that is: RAIDS! I think Building a Home feels a lot different when you know that at some Point you are going to be attacked. And i personnaly enjoy this tension far more than Building something pretty with no real purpose.
And with the raid slider in Valheim, if you get your base wiped you can drop it to rare raids, or even turn it off for a week or two. And places like the Elder Mount's "basement," can be designed to be unraidable, so you can take a breath of fresh air when trolls, etc. start rolling in.
@@Mville88 I mean yeah the building is meant to be fun. The game doesn't try to force you to involve your base as part of a defense and I like that. Raids in Valheim never, not once, felt like a serious threat. Every time I had a raid I was more annoyed because I had to stop whatever crafting or farming I was doing to clear it out. I died 1 time on my first playthrough to the 1 raid where multiple trolls come but that was it. The raids aren't even remotely a threat. If you want a game where raids are a threat play 7days to die with the horde nights, Dig or Die where your base is literally a turret defense bunker you have to build to protect yourself from massive hordes of enemies you can't survive against outside, or Terraria where there are events that happen that drop unique loot and have progression implications to them. If Raids in Valheim had some purpose to them like special drops I could get or some type of progression associated then I would actually enjoy doing them. As they are and have been though I always deeply sigh when I see "the forest is rumbling" or w/e it says.
My man! I LOVED this videos editing. You kept me hooked the entire time. The audio balance, talking pace, pauses when changing topic and scenes, it's all so good. You deserve soooo many more subs
I agree with most of your comments, but would like to add that I love the chests and finding great weapons, armor in Enshrouded, it makes exploration a joy as you want to uncover the whole map in the hope of finding something. Although I do agree that once found they should not be farmable, as it makes things too easy, the same with the shroud, once an area is cleared it should stay cleared, the story does not make sense otherwise. In Valheim you never seem to explore the whole area, or I didn't anyway, I farmed enough materials for what I needed and that's all before I moved on to new areas. Valheim is also very linear in progression of armor and weapons there is little variation to what players will use. In this case Enshrouded comes out top as there are so many variations from the talent tree that players can 'mix it up' to suit their playstyle. I love both games and I can see a lot of instances where one or the other does things better, it is as @irakonul4525 said, both games are so good, we should be happy we have access to two fantastic games. I hope more game devs take note of the success of these games and maybe we can get 2 or 3 more such games that we can compare, I wouldn't complain about such a situation 😉 Thank you for a great video, a fair and unbiased assessment, I enjoyed watching.
I agree that random loot / chests in the world are a great thing and I think valheim should also have something like this. But yes the resetting the world part is the issue for me.
Great video. Something that does bother me though (and this is not directed at you necessarily) it the whole log out/log in reset thing. Someone blaming the game for allowing this is akin to saying "if you didn't want me to steal it then you shouldn't have left your bike outside on the lawn.". It's not a game flaw, it's a character flaw. It's simple, just don't do that.
I agree but if you logout after playing and log back in the chest is also reset. So it will always happen even if you don’t do it on purpose. But yes I do agree with you.
bro when we got to mountains in valheim with my friend we found the biggest freakin rock ive ever seen generated by worldgen. valheim's landscape is very special and it isnt worse than handcrafted imo. you will have your own iconic mountain, lake, island or whatever you didnt know you wanted in this game. and map and marking system makes it so much better. also yeah, portals are cool, but even though i love my carts, we used setting to allow teleporting ore, otherwise its just unreasonably time consuming
Thanks for posting this. I haven't played Valheim and kept seeing the comparison. Personally, I'm a lot more casual and like the easy nature of boss fights in Enshrouded. I even cheesed the Wispwyvern solo. Basically, I'm here for the aesthetic of the world and the building, not necessarily the combat, and hopefully they'll keep the ability to 'cheese' boss fights for the more casual players
I love building in Valheim but i want to echo your sentiment about wanting more build pieces 🥺 I would love to add stuff like the ability to paint a design on the wall, maybe the ability to turn the troll leather into a chair or floor covering. I'd like more statues and random objects like baskets. I hope a developer reads this 😅😅 (and if they do can i also please combine ten dandelion to make a delicious salad?)
Of course everything wants to be compared to Valheim. The success of Valheim transformed a genre. Even games like Enshrouded had their publicist compare the game to Valheim even though its not similar at all. Yes, all the games in this genre chop trees, build a house etc... Why didn't Enshrouded say they were like any of the other dozens of similar style games.....because they don't have the current "pull" that Valheim does.
I do not so much compare them. I love them both Valheim and Enshrouded. They are similar, but different. Perhaps Enshrouded is easier and easygoing, 'cos you do not have to travel anywhere, if you do not want to. And there are no raids. One thing I really want in Valheim, is the possibility to dig into a mountain.
They are indeed very different, but sadly when enshrouded came people were saying it is a better valheim which is why my friends and i got it, and regret it. We barwly put 10-20 hours in it, and it was more than easy and boring. I dont remember a single memoranle encounter and building was pretty clunky aswell. While in valheim every new biom was like scary and challenging and made us learn more and get better
the problem is the progression curve, and how easily you can get OP in enshrouded. If you played blind, you have a better experience for sure. Also the game is not even out yet lol. Can't compare the game to anything if the meat being cooked is still raw.
I mean they're entirely different games with different goals. Also your comment is 3 months old but they just released difficulty sliders for the game so you can change how many mobs there are spawning, how hard they hit, how long your own buffs last, how tanky they are, tons of things. Valheim is more about an uphill climb through all of the biomes. Enshrouded is about the joy of exploration. The fact you found the building in Enshrouded clunky and not the building in Valheim is odd to me. Valheim's building is nothing but annoying and tedious. You can't build any structures without roofs due to the rain damage mechanic and you can't build cool structures really until late game because wood can't support many floors and large or uniquely shaped buildings. At the end of the day I've played through both games and there are things I prefer about both of them more than the other. Valheim enemy encounters feel more meaningful but Enshrouded exploration, discovery and building is just miles above anything I can do in Valheim. I can go to the top of these waypoint pillars you unlock as you encounter new NPCs for your house and I can fly anywhere I want to while taking in the gorgeous view. They're very different games in what they are trying to do.
I wish for the plains they would add a 4 wheel black metal cart, even if its the same amount of storage slots, maybe less of a speed reduction, because a cart with over 1200 kg is such a slog to pull. And in real life, more wheels make it easier, I used to use a single-wheel wheel barrow for gravel and dirt, its a pain, then a got a 2 wheel and its so much better. Last year I got a 4 wheel metal cart and I can easily pull over 600 pounds, (I got it on amazon and I think the stated weight limit was like 700 pounds and it was only $65) so Valheim should definitely add a 4 wheel black metal or even iron cart, and have basically no weight limits so it doesn't slow you down or maybe only slows you down a little if the carry weight in the cart is over 1500 kg
from my experience WITH COMBAT, enshourd is a level heavy game. while dodging you can still get hit, the parry system is decent but harder to time, you cannot fight enemies who are 10 levels ahead of you otherwise you die. while in valhiem, its more skill based. Parry, dodge and timing is key but very rewarding.
Ehh yes and no. I do agree Valheim is more skill based combat-wise than Enshrouded but Valheim's combat more so comes down to whether or not you have good food buffs and aren't slacking on your gear upgrades and potions and are making sure you swap out buffs in the later zones like to bonemass. When I have my potion setup going and I have 10+ potions + good food I'm not afraid of anything and this isn't even late game I'm talking pre-bonemass/going into the snow biome.
Currently, with mods we have on Valheim it is much closer to Enshouded from playstyle point of view. This includes extra passive/active skill tree, too. We started to play our 1st run of Enshrouded day it came out. We do host both on dedicated server and prevent any kind of exploits. (Which includes Valheim's item duplicating or Enshrouded's world resetting.) On that note, it is Yours choice to exploit reload mechanic. Now, there are few things which people should actually compare instead of building system shown in video. (Since that's rather superficial thing for RPG games.) - Valheim's Vanilla armor sets are bland, mainly improving defense rating instead of diversifying playstyle. (And math behind defense is stupid as few extra points of armor make previous zone trivial.) Enshrouded armor sets are about role diversification and right armor type for right job is very impactful. - Enshrouded's armor pieces can be combined between sets to optimize effect and are still visually pleasing. Valheim sets lose that little bonus they have if they are not complete. - Valheim progression is: "We allow you to craft gear which you needed in last biome, don't expect gear fitting your current biome." Enshrouded progression is: "Just do whatever you like, way you like... it will somehow play out fine enough." - Valheim has no background story, just few rocks with rather random test. Enshrouded has actual story with a lot to read, NPC quests. - Valheim has unbelievable number of mods. That's because game has unbelievable number of holes which mods plug. In world content like monsters/bosses, features, gear, professions, ... One thing Enshrouded misses is weather system as said in video. And one thing Vanilla Valheim misses the most is "Seasons mod from shundal" which alters all zones based on time of the year. Even oceans freeze up in winter for while, while you do not freeze on mountains in middle of summer. It boosts up that weather atmosphere Valheim has as trees, grass, wild life, ... get affected by seasons, too. And here is final comparison one should get: - Valheim development is extremely slow. This or next week we'll get Ashland update... just after year and half of waiting. - Enshrouded development is about 4~5 times faster. Team takes a lot of feedback. Since January, they added extra content to existing zones and made a lot of impactful changes. => Re-Playing Valheim every 6 months is replaying practically same game except latest content update (if any). While re-playing Enshrouded after 6 months gives you very new experience even in starting zones. And here is final note: Both games will give players their money worth of gameplay. Seasoned Valheimers have over 400 hours in. New player can expect anywhere between 60 and 100 hours for 1st playthrough. Possibly even 120 hours with Ashlands. Initial release of Enshrouded gave people 40~80 hours of gameplay and story, too. With next big expansion one can expect same 60~120 hours of fun.
While I agree with you on Valheim's building JJ, I will say that I appreciate the simplicity. Ive never seen a game have such a good core mechanic, with the angles and snapping points giving you flexibility while not being overwheming with choice. I really like that it allows you to be creative while being simple enough that builds all feel organic and fit with one another. That being said, I totally agree that, on the balance, Valheim could use more furniture and decorative pieces. I really wish there were a simple stacked stone you could build with before needing a stonecutter (kinda like the old stone walls across the countryside in Northern Europe), and maybe some alternate wood designs accessible from the early game. Specific trim pieces for wall frames and windows, as well as small tables, shelves and such would be cool. Here's hoping they do like a Hearth & Home 2.0 sometime before full release!
Great video! I agree with you on the points you make. They are both great games, but different. I have started to dive into the building in Enshrouded more and its fun, but also at times frustrating because you have to build within its limitations. Valheim is alot more free in its building. I do wish Valheim would have the terrain modification of Enshrouded though :D But yeah, my heart is still with Valheim as mye favourite game, but its fun to play other games while we wait for Ashlands :D
Yea for me Enshrouded is very new...But they are totally separate in their mechanics...One thing that makes Valheim still stand out is that everything feels way more earned; the grind that you put in that allows you to automate resources and gear is way more rewarding than having your late game gear pop up in chests that you get in very minimally challenging fights and then reset the game- I hated that mechanic most...Although the building I would agree is streamlined I think it is a very high point for Enshrouded personally especially in the variety of the materials and interior deco but the game is early and still as of now it seems there is no crucial use to having an efficient epic base, versus Valheim where your base layout/storage/docking and crafting are all going to be integral to the hundreds of hours that you will spend grinding and how efficient you can be, which for me personally feels super rewarding as you unlock those late tier materials and upgrade your base and expand which allows you to be better equipped at playing the game efficiently- the transport system is the same thing, Enshrouded is too simple because it felt like you can be anywhere at any time no matter what, which again is good for streamlined effortless gameplay, but the portal mechanics of Valheim gives you more strategic thought and planning to what you are gathering and what is your strategy to get precious material from point A to B and forces you again to be efficient and thoughtful to how you plan your raids and travels meanwhile still allowing you to set up efficient travel systems in the portals to assist you.....What you prefer in one or the other game will highly depend on what you feel is rewarding, the amount of time and thought you are willing to put into the game and what you value in the gameplay.
Food in Enshrouded IS mandatory because it gives you almost as much health as you have (at least as a mage) and gives huge bonuses to magic, dexterity or strength.
Hi from Australia.' I have both of these games and have over 1200 hours in Valheim and over 400 in Enshrouded. Both games have the "I am over the grind" element to starting new characters. My preference in design is Enshrouded. It is a far more polished game. With this said, I consider Valheim to be one of the greatest games ever made. Comparing them is natural for gamers. They have a similar feel to each other. Enshrouded just has a sense of being there that I think is better than Valheim. The auto generated maps in Valheim can be spectacular, but the last few maps I generated were a mess. There are pro's and cons in both the games design choices. Anyway, I liked your video. I will be keeping an eye on your channel from now on.
lol, more polished? I guess, if you count all the limitations. Enshrouded is more suited for average builders that want the game to make things look good for you. That's why we call it more of a "kiddie" game.
@@TheGolferguy71 bro why do you have to be so cringe and defensive over your favorite video game lmao. He's not trashing Valheim, he has 3 times more hours in it I think he really loves the game. Valheim is a great game but it is absolutely clunky in many many ways. You can't build structures without roofs cuz fuck you rain mechanic. You can fill a cart beyond the point where you can pull it and there's not indication of when the cart will be too full to realistically pull home. The cart also is annoyingly clunky and gets caught on literally the smallest twig and bush. The fact you can't TP with the ores literally just exists as a way to inflate your playtime in the game. More than half of every Valheim playthrough you are in a constant battle with your stamina bar and I'm not even talking about combat where that would make sense. You take a ton of stamina to cut wood, pull your heavy ass cart, to farm ores. All the meanwhile random mobs can roll up on you and not just can but will because mining/cutting creates noise (i actually like this part). It's so strange to me how gamers like you try to act like you're such a badass for playing a game that is "harder" for reasons many of which are just objectively awful gameplay experiences like the cart like the rain damage on buildings like the raids. I saw another comment say the raids make the game tough. I never once struggled with the raids. They are easy as shit, all they are is just an annoyance to, once again, inflate playtime by dragging you away from farming or crafting. It may sound like I'm dunking on Valheim but I'm not. I love the game. However when people try to act like it's the "manly" survival game I laugh. You want to suffer? Play Dig or Die on the hardest difficulty or 7 Days to Die. Valheim has fun and challenging bosses and enemy encounters, I'll give it that. However a lot of the other things that make the game "hard" are really just arbitrary bullshit that doesn't require skill to overcome, it's just annoying playtime fluff.
Sometimes it's not a comparison people are looking for. I looked up some info putting them side by side because I am wanting to try Enshrouded but my wife and I have been enjoying Valheim. A lot of people who played Valheim also are playing Enshrouded so I love to hear their feedback on what they like in Enshrouded but ultimately we're just going to try it ourselves :)
Wonderfully edited video. Every shot was visually appealing and the audio mixing completed it perfectly. You bring up great points separating the two games. I don't understand why these are so often juxtaposed. They are two very distinctly paced experiences. I agree that Valheim is missing building pieces, (where are our turf roofs? Vikings used wattle and daub!) I would really like to get into modding in order to revamp and add to the building pieces in a way that's still in line with the game's artstyle. It feels like building is often proportioned unevenly in regards to the player's size. If you could add anything, what would you?
Stopping comparing games in general is a good rule of thumb find words to describe why you like or dislike something. Comparing oversimplifies and creates a reductive argument that only works at face value
Did you... just compared these two games in a video titled "Stop comparing these two games" JJ ? Because thats quite ironic haha. Apart from that... am i the only one that feel like Enshrouded is WAY more grindy than Valheim ? In terms of ressources to craft arrows, magic, countless buildings blocks, wood into planks, wood into charcoal, clay into bricks... I feel like the grinding in Enshrouded is at least 3 times worse than Valheim.
great comparison. Enshrouded needs weather systems. They add so much to survival games. Icarus has some decent weather too, it was lazy not to put something weather related into Enshrouded.
I so wanted a game like this. I do not have time to grind everything including my underwear. I do not have time to master a difficult combat system that ruins your day if you do not play combat games constantly. Not everyone is a master gamer.
You should try picking up the game again. They just released an update that lets you adjust the difficulty of the game and it's very indepth. You can change how aggressive enemies are, how much damage they do, how long the days/nights are, how long your buffs last, etc.
I totally agree. In Valheim, the first stormy night in my house cooking near the fire was something ! And nice comparison of these two games, I love them both too.
I would also add Conan into the mix. I have well over 1000 hours in Valheim, I like Conan a little more. Having AI Thrall companions that follow you around is so fun. For those who haven't played or don't know about Conan, Its a survival game with a premade map like Enshrouded. Similar building to both games, but you have slaves "thralls" that work for you. These thralls are both human or animals. The Humans can fight for you or can do tasks that help with resources. One could play the game just to collect all the thralls like Pokemon. The building isnt as versatile as Valheim, but on the flip side, Conan has some cool stuff you can build like elevators... No portals unfortunately, but it has an alternative late game.
I always loved to see people's buildings in both games. Personally, I couldn't get into Enshrouded's building mechanic just because of the hassle involved with it. I'm so used to Valheim's buidling system.
Valheim is great! Enshrouded is okay at best. Valheim is not just a game, it's an adventure. It's easily one of the best survival games of all time. Enshrouded feels more like another open world action RPG. It's a quality game, but it does not stand out in any way (other than building) compared to many other similar games.
This is the most cooked deluded take I think I've seen yet. I've played through Vanilla Valheim - 1 time. Every other time has been with Quality of life mods and other content mods to make it feel fresh and less clunky and cumbersome. Valheim is an adventure, you are right... for the first playthrough. Sure when new content patches do eventually come out the game is fun to start fresh again. I don't see how you can seriously say that Enshrouded feels like a run of the mill mediocre open world RPG game. I can't think of a single open world RPG that is as captivating and exciting to explore in while letting you have insane customization over your base. Every new location I go to I find myself getting side tracked from my quest for 10-15+ minutes looting a side town that I havent been to before or finding a cave or looking at the incredible and massive locations throughout the game. Like I just got to the revelwood spire and on my way there I see these absolutely massive tree trunks that are hundreds upon hundreds of feet tall with enormous roots sprouting all over the place. There was massive settlements of the beast guys in these houses that are made out of twigs and scale all the way up and around the outsides of those tree trunks. That's just 1 single instance of what I'm talking about in scope and size. Valheim has amazing biomes and beautiful locations but doesn't even come close to holding a torch to Enshrouded's scale and depth in their biomes and locations. I know people will say that's because of Valheim being procedurally generated but that only goes so far. Terraria, one of my favorite games of all time, does an amazing job of making every single seed you play feel unique and makes that playthrough entirely its own thing.
"do not compare those two games... because I do" great comparisson vid anyway. there is nothing wrong in comparing. it's a tool that wise people try to understand something new. best wishes, hope to see more from you
I don't think comparing games is something people should ever stop doing. Where it becomes a "bad" thing is when people get annoying about it and trash on another game in favor of their preferred game. Personally I compared them when I first saw Enshrouded because they are just very similar themed and stylized games. Sure Valheim has some norse mythology but they are relatively similar in the other fields. Instead of going boating across the ocean you are going diving into the shroud. They're both incredible games and both do play different enough to still be great games and both worth playing through.
Hello, is there any way to get save worlds or building blueprints? There are very few of your works on valheimmains, I would like to get others, and construction according to the guides takes several weeks for one building. I use everything when I play with friends in various pvp modes in Valheim that I make myself.
Both excellent games, but Valheim is JUST a survival game not an RPG (quests, etc). Enshrouded is an RPG with building, not really a survival game (no base raids, no weather making you cold, not even gravity & material strength to worry about when building, etc). I think enshrouded would benefit if they added a "survival" option that people could turn on to add these challenges. I spent over 200 hrs each of these games, an indication of how good they are, but as you say, they are not comparable. On a side note, as base building is not as easy to evenly share, I think Enshrouded has the edge for co-op gameplay.
its crazy that people hate on enshrouded because they like valheim. I like both. I played valheim for years, I like enshrouded a lot and I love that the world is handcrafted its a nice change
I agree with most of your takes. I'm admittedly a huge fan of Valheim, but I've quite enjoyed my time with Enshrouded as well. I think the greatest similarity I find with the two games is that they're much more enjoyable when played/tackled as a group.
You ever play Len’s Island? I love the building in that game. They just released a huge update too. It’s a little buggy, but it’s in EA. I’ve gotten 500 hours out of it solid. It’s so cozy but so open to customization and upgrading. Mix between Minecraft, STARDEW Valley, Valheim, and Diablo.
Valheim is a far superior experience for me personally. It just hits on a completely different level of immersion, commitment, challenge and reward. Special game imo.
I love both of these games, and I also don't like it when people try to compare them as equals, they just aren't the same at all. The only similarity is that they are Survival games. The way I see it is that Enshrouded is a "RPG Story Survival" while Valheim I think is more "Open World Exploration Survival".
Valheim could really benefit from a real voxel world instead of a mesh one with max stretching limits (can't cut a mountain in half as the mesh can't stretch that much and with weigth/physics doing supported tunnels would be fun). Enshrouded could benefits from a new games + procedural world generation, once you finish the game you can create random maps to explore. i would love to see a game like enshrouded have procedurally generated planet similar to ECO/Astroneer, big enough to feel "flat" but small enough to be able to go all the way around in a couple hours. i really hope "Light No Fire" is like that.
I agree completely. I enjoy certain mechanics of Enshrouded (the quick select ranged weapon and using the mouse wheel to cycle through quick slots) and really miss them in Valheim. But Valheim feels less limited from a world perspective than Enshrouded. The quests are great in Enshrouded and drive the game, but you know you will finish them at some point and then what? As for crafting, I hadn't really thought about it, but you are correct in saying that in Valheim all the weapon and armour upgrades are things you work for and them make yourself, whereas in Enshrounded, while you can fashion different armour sets, there is literally no point in crafting weapons except at the very beginning. I always thought that adding random weapon loot drops with different rarities in Valheim would improve it, but after playing Enshrouded I'm not sure any more. Maybe if Valheim did something similar, the loot could be runes that add extra characteristics to existing armour or weapons.
Stability and underground are big building differences between the two as well. Also, there is no threat to your builds in Enshrouded which is a big negative for me. I think I prefer Valheim overall but vanilla is pretty punishing trying to retrieve bodies or hauling ore across the world. Both great games.
How's the normal enemy encounters in enshrouded compared to valheim? In valhiem you could get into some bad situations and could easily die when there's multiple.
Thanks for making this video, JJ. I haven't given Enshrouded a chance yet, but this gives me a clear idea of what to expect. It seems that Valheim ultimately appeals more to the cozy builders. Too bad Iron Gate adds so little furniture. It is mainly functional, rather than decorative. I'd like to go wild with my own builds.
yeah similaritys - you can build. everything else is just different same for grounded it is compleatly different game when you got random map vs when you all got the same it gives freedom and unique
They are similar in all the right ways and different in all the right ways. I love them both and I enjoy swapping between them. They both have the same elements I love. They are both their own stories and playstyles. Valheim reminds me more of an old school survival game while Enshrouded has serious DnD vibes. I can honestly say owning both is great and I would recommend both. EDIT: I think one of your issues with Enshrouded is that it doesn't have as much content. Enshrouded just entered early access. Valheim has been out a few years. Enshrouded has already had one major update with more on the way. They even dropped a roadmap that included the next biome. Give it a year and see how you feel about them.
Bosses in Enshrouded are a joke. You can literally 1 shot any of them with one spell: Acid Bite. No dragged out fight. No boss mechanics to avoid. Just walk up, insta kill, and move on. Melee builds are pointless their damage is mediocre at best. Ranged combat with arrows is equally useless since the cost of ammo. Healing is gutted so playing healer support is utter garbage and you could remove that tree/aspect entirely and no one would notice. Building in enshrouded is clunky and just terrible overall. NPCs are useless outside of the niche recipes they provide. They don't move from where they are placed, don't have any engaging dialog, and like Healing skills: could be completely removed from the game and replaced with just picked up recipes and no one would care or notice.
You're the same guy I saw in a different reply. I do not understand how you view the building in Enshrouded as clunky and terrible overall and somehow you enjoy Valheims building mechanics. Valheim is objectively worse in this field. You have fixed pieces in Valheim. You can't customize things to the exact size and shape you want. I can build a 2x4 doorway in Enshrouded or a 10x10 if I want to. In Valheim that doesn't work. Valheim also heavily limits creativity with builds until you get to iron for the better support beams. "NPCs are useless outside of the niche recipes they provide" Hmm... so the thing that makes the NPCs useful... without those things they aren't useful? That's a wild bold take. "You can literally 1 shot any of them with one spell: Acid Bite. No dragged out fight. No boss mechanics to avoid. Just walk up, insta kill, and move on. Melee builds are pointless their damage is mediocre at best. Ranged combat with arrows is equally useless since the cost of ammo." I mean sure if you want to min max the fun out of every game go for the 1 shot the boss and never have to play the game build. Personally I love bow characters in every game I play so I'm leveling and skilling as a ranger. As for the bosses in Enshrouded... spoiler alert: they aren't meant to be seriously difficult bosses. The game doesn't hide what it focuses on and wants you to do. It's an open world exploration and crafting game. The combat is fun enough to not be boring and lets you focus on exploring, building your base and crafting more. I love that about this game. Now do I agree that the bosses should be harder? Yes, but I also don't mind it if they stay the way they are. Enshrouded doesn't have to be Valheim, and vice versa. Valheim has better combat and bosses but in just about every other aspect (for me) Enshrouded I enjoy more.
@@YuYuYuna_ : wall of textual dribble consisting mostly of 'enshrouded game go brrr. game good. gobble gobble gobble'. : Cool thanks for regaling me of your obvious fanboism. Noted and ignored.
I don't understand what's wrong with comparing them, they're fundamentally the same type of game. Both are Survival games with zone based enemy, resource, gear and building progression, the only difference is they go about it in slightly different ways. It's like saying you cannot compare BG1/2 to BG3 because the first ones are isometric and BG3 is not, they're still fundamentally D&D based RPG's so of course you can compare them.
Valheim needs more content. the base game is amazing but they could spice it up. more enemies more build pieces variations of build pieces. something like that would give it a huge edge.
tbh I can only really enjoy valheim when modded. It's like skyrim or something to me, a great baseline. Enshrouded stands better on it's own with more QoL but needs more time to grow and hopefully gets mod support.
100% feel the same. Valheim is an amazing and charming game to play through the first time... then every playthrough after that is just filled with the annoyances you overlooked the first time. The cart not having a weight limit that stops you from filling it up too much or tells you when it will be hard to pull. The rain damaging structures so EVERYTHING needs a roof. The wind mechanic while sailing entirely dictating if your trip will take 15-20 minutes or an hour. I could go on. It's a great game and I'm not trying to say it's bad, I love Valheim. However it does have many mechanics and design choices that I don't view as adding to the challenge and difficulty of the game but rather are just annoyances.
Something I do dislike on Valheim is the fact that you can't have dedicated server, you have to rely on someone's login to enter somewhere. But there's more than 2 years since I've played the game did that change?
? Maybe i'm misunderstanding, but I had one setup for Valheim. Complete with SteamIDs and a whitelist for the people who played on it, no password needed. Just log in and you're on. Enshrouded doesn't have that feature yet unfortunately.
When someone asks "are you a dog person, or a cat person?" And you're thinking, Yes! And rodents, and other ones, too. I love Valheim and will probably enjoy Enshrouded, too.
Briefly: both games are great but for long term play Valheim gives great co-op and good solo experience while Enshrouded is great solo (story driven) and good co-op experience. I don't think Valheim is going to change its nature at this late stage, and I don't think Enshrouded will ever offer great co-op story driven play (even though the devs will try).
I don't reset anything in Eshrouded. I simply play the game and accept what I get. I believe that resetting the game to farm items and resources is cheating yourself out of the intended experience. I prefer to play through and work with what I have. When it comes to gear, I learn to use what I have until I find something better. As for resources, I appreciate what I build more and take time to think of how I want to design something based on what's available. This approach may make the game take longer and the progression slower, but it's more fun and rewarding for me.
Yeah I mean I just play the game and loot wherever I go. Very very rarely is that ever the same place or town and 90% of the time I can't be asked to loot the same locations over and over. For me the fun of Enshrouded is exploring new areas and doing quests and progressing - in that order. Sure maybe I could be much further if I spam looted the same places but I don't care. To me that feels cheesy and would make me quit the game before I even finished it because I've tried doing stuff like that in other games and once I start abusing a weird farming method like that I just stop caring cuz it feels like I'm cheating basically.
I think it’s really annoying that you’re complaining about how the items are easy to get yet use log in/out to farm the rng. It would probably be less easy if you didn’t ruin the game for yourself.
