Stop Debating Sasuke vs Madara! 

Sad thing is people are still arguing whether Momoshiki or Isshiki could beat madara

@hoodie_ronald3930 Here’s my scaling for Kashin Koji. Everything is lowballed btw Base Koji >= 10% Jigen, as shown when he beat him and forced him to transform into Isshiki FP Naruto = FP Sasuke, this is stated and shown throughout the entire series and in Boruto as well Jigen >>> FP Naruto + FP Sasuke Koji is at least as strong as 10% Jigen. Jigen at FP beat Naruto and Sasuke combined. Base Koji >= 20% Naruto OR Sasuke (excluding teamwork amps in order to lowball) Naruto = Sasuke = Fused Momoshiki, this is confirmed by scaling and by Momoshiki himself in the novels Base Koji = 20% Fused Momo Assuming Fusion is addition of Kin and Momo (not multiplication of their power) and assuming Kinshiki = Base Momoshiki (this is a massive lowball), then Base Koji = 40% Base Momo Base Momo = Kaguya (another massive lowball) Base Koji = 40% Kaguya Assuming Kaguya is only TWICE as strong as Juubidara (yet another massive lowball, she should be exponentially stronger than him as stated by Zetsu and Sasuke), Kaguya = 2x Juubidara, Base Koji = 80% Juubidara If Teen Naruto and Sasuke are relative to each other and their COMBINED efforts can match Juubidara in a 2v1, then either Teen Naruto or Sasuke AT FULL POWER have to be around 50% Juubidara, which means they are weaker than BASE KASHIN KOJI. With a 10x amp from Sage Mode, Kashin Koji is 8 TIMES STRONGER than Juubidara (80% times 10x amp from SM = 800% Juubidara) This is been incredibly lowballed at least four times (Fusion, equalizing Momo to Kin, equalizing Momo to Kaguya, and assuming Kaguya is only twice as strong as Madara) Sage Kashin Koji wins with absolutely no difficulty

​​@@2_lokok, Madara isn't beating top tiers like Momo or Isshiki but Kashin doesn't have the feats to kill Madara, he just fought a dying 10% Jigen

@@rjsblanket3024 just dropped my line of scaling up above. Sage Koji wins no diff

@@2_loko lmao the idea of someone, who is Jiraiya's (who lost to pain) clone, absolutely beating Juubidaras ass is so hilarious.

Obviously

"Not necessarily."

Dannnnnnng 😂😂😂

Bro threw a Kunai at a wood clone told everybody he fought the first

@@Indo_Tenzo it's the only logical conclusion 😂😂, cuz ain't no way that *boi* could've thrown hands with the goat 🐐and survived long enough to build a reputation for himself outta that encounter

He doesn't have a way to kill or seal Madara . Nor a way to deal with limbo clones tough

The taijutsu has also gotten smaller scales, infamously boruto walls are near indestructible while in naruto walls were getting blasted through casually. Maybe they have better *chi control* now lol. Not to mention speed hard to gauge in relation to the old series since the goal posts have shifted faster but everyone still relative. Lastly we literally watch sasuke use 3-5 jutsu before complaining about chakra something madara never has done. Even though sasuke is probably in a tier above madara you have to ignore what you're directly watching in the anime or reading in the manga because the portrayal of sasuke isn't put on a pedestal like how madara was

@@exequielbreton4393 And how is Madara supposed to kill Sasuke?

There's another reason people overrate Madara and it's related to that dick term you said.

​@@exequielbreton4393he can see clones with his Rinnegan and damage them because he has SP chakra, what are you on about.

🧢 Keep crying 3 Eyed Rinne-Sharingan Juubi-Jinchuriki Madara destroys Sasuke in a 1v1 and it’s not even close.

@@bbrandumbb Cope

@@bbrandumbbcope harder

@@bbrandumbbtroll?

@@bbrandumbbI give the bait a 7/10

That fight makes no sense. Isshiki can destroy sasuke sussano in one kick. But is unable to kill sasuke in one kick or punch. Despite managing to hit him serval times The fight would have us believe that sasuke is more durable than his sussano

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlif he condensed his chakra enough to reinforce his defenses, probably is. Susanoo is just a projection/manifestation after all.

@@deadprecidents sorry but you are grasping at straws here. We constantly hear and told and see that sussano is more durable that it's owner.

And that was with ONE arm lol

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlI mean he legit beat him so hard that sasuke struggled to even move

To be fair that was edo Madara who can heal infinitely and had Hashirama cells that gave him the Rinnegan and full powered Wood Style. Base Madara was insanely strong but no where near as broken.

I didn't think anyone one was confused about the most foreshadowed character in Shonen and most feared man in all of Naruto as well as the God of Shinobi who was the respected by every village (both who could singlehandedly control a full Kurama) during their life times being far stronger than any of the Kage that came after them (Till the next Ashura Re-incarnation Naruto). What's shocking is the fact a lot of people didn't realize how much their reincarnations were already catching up to (and surpassing) their alive primes (Madara & Hashirama's) while they were still teenagers (Naruto & Sasuke). Teenagers who were still to reach their full potential. Especially when after receiving Hagoromo himself (as opposed to just having incarnations of his son's chakra like Hashirama & Madara did), they showed themselves to compete with a far beyond prime Juubidara (who has absorbed the freaking 10 tails as we know prior even Rinne Sasuke would be enough to take him out) and they still had little understanding of exactly how their new power worked. Of course after years and years of training and mastery over the same power (that at novice levels they were able to take on Juubidara & the much more powerful Kaguya) they would have been far surperior to any of Madara or Juubidara by the time they touched adulthood. If not, they'd have been completely screwed against the more powerful Ootsutsukis Madara & Hashirama were narratively put as measuring sticks of power for Sasuke & Naruto to overcome and surpass. So as awesome as Madara was, why do people think those 2 didn't surpass him. Pain once looked unbeatable, but just like throughout the them of the entire show, Naruto & Sasuke surpassed him in power. Exact same thing for Madara & Hashi.

Still a base toneri victim

@@whywhy3289base Madara still would have destroyed them he was relative to Hashirama who was literally the strongest shinobi alive ever before Naruto and Sasuke got their power ups and none of the 5 kage at that time were anywhere near hashiramas level he would have still wiped them.

@@stanleylivingstone7576 he still could have beat them, but it wouldn’t have been guaranteed. If they worked really well together and pretty much did hit and runs to drain his chakra and stay alive then finished him off at the end they could get the W. We never saw much of base Hashirama or base Madara other than some yelling and flashes of their strongest abilities. We never really saw how hard a fight would be against even one of the other Kage would be for them. Both of them definitely win against the other Kage of their time, but we don’t know how drained their chakra would be, if they would take damage etc. . I have no doubt Madara wipes the floor with any of them 1on1 or 2on1. But if it’s all five of them cooperating against base Madara with no Hashirama cells and no endless chakra, it’s going to be atleast a high difficulty W for Madara with a decent possibility of victory for the 5 Kage. Granted, I find it pretty unlikely that Madara wouldn’t try to find a way to escape and fight another day if got jumped and cornered by 5 Kage and he likely takes out a Kage or two while doing so. But I’ll stand by the fact that base Madara is going to struggle pretty bad with any full generation of Kage. If prime Madara has the Hashirama cells but no edo, it’s probably a low to no difficulty W for Madara but there is a small small small chance the Kage win if they have perfect luck, planning, and teamwork. The Hashirama chakra reserves and jutsu, plus his own abilities and the rinnegan he would get are too much for pretty much any group of 5 humans that aren’t reincarnations. I really wish we got to see more of Madara and Hashirama fighting in their prime, especially against other string characters of their time, it would give us a much better idea of how strong the ninja world was back then.

Nope

He does dumbass

Read data books and novels

he doesnt, madara is immortal and needs sun and moon seals. so no

@@chase_uchiha Read data books and novels? what does it say?

Boruto fucks with the power scaling too hard so i do get it last I followed the series at least, it had kid naruto fight that one otsutsuki guy, so maybe people thought that adult sasuke was extremely nerfed, since that makes more sense than kid naruto being more powerful than kaguya

@@neroisntdead3681filler. Anime is just a no

​@@neroisntdead3681Sasuke had his chakra drained almost completely*at the time* so he was weakened during that arc, it literally shows urashiki stealing his chakra and urashiki is never stated to be kaguya level so kid Naruto and Boruto beating him with the help of Sasuke's kirin isn't too crazy.

Urashiki was nerfed from giving his chakra to the turtle

@@rjsblanket3024 Sasuke has his chakra drained completely for 90% of Boruto.

Kaguya was afraid because her children were there and whilst Momo could not kill her cause of the clan's rules and only punish her, there's no clear answer to what would have happened to half breed Otsutsuki

Base naruto beat the piss out of fused Momoshiki he is literally fodder, KCM naruto was killed by madara Next

Next question ow can they beat the first hokage

@@zero1188 Sasuke, Momo, Kinshiki, or Madara beat the first? Didnt kakuzu fucking defeat hashirama 🤣

@@zero1188 if your questions how can juubidara beat alive prime hashirama then majestic Juubi cloaked susanoo with 4 limbo clone assasins spamming light fang is my answer, hashiramas only real Win con is a really hard dif Rashimon gate seal plus the 1000 arm bhudda holding down majestic juubi susanoo cloak and either literally reaper death seal or use his sage mode to try and stone up madara with absorption but idk i think he can process nature chakra if he had to?

At least they didn’t say itachi is the strongest because of yata mirror and totsuka blade 😂

​@@redbool1115😂😂 itachi fans are on another level

Sasuke isnt even top 5

Could u tell me what makes sasuke stronger than madara

​@@Yuno.Topic101 oh my god..

Bro did to debates in one video

It shouldn't weaken him anyway. He is genetically predisposed for his eyes and his chakra and soul are both that of Hagoromo's eldest son. It should be as easy as breathing for him and about as costly in energy.

Losing chakra doesn’t weaken you unless it’s not enough to do what you need.

Is Sasuke in boruto dumb or smth ? Why didn't he absorb chakra off of tentais if he needed that much ? Why didn't he absorb those chakra nukes of momoisiki's?

@@short_dose_of_internet Too much chakra at once probably

Who is beating up limbo clones? 🤔

@@jaquandrejonesliterally any high tier in boruto

@@jaquandrejonescan’t sasuke see the limbo clones with his rinnesharingan?

@@jaquandrejones Sasuke could see the Limbo Clones.

@@Riley.AM. boruto Sakura > boruto sasuke

I'm ngl to you bro... a lot of my other videos people complain about how low I sound so it may be inconsistent as you go through the channel.

Yup and in the novel sasuke mentions that the zetsu army was mutating from absorbing the chakra from the god tree and in Boruto this was also showcased when Konohamaru found them. So the zetsu army was supposed to be amped by the juubi's chakra and perhaps even Kaguya's

Im not sure, but i think army that obito used was actually from kaguya ? that was keep stored ( dont quote me on that ) But even if thats a cased. She created 100k in +-25 years. And between Narutos era and Kaguyas its roughly 1000 years. Soo if she could produces every 25 years 100K white zetsu. it would made roughly around 40 MILION of zetsus when Momo finally arrived

@@breexy7190 Nah, the army Obito used was created by Madara and Obito. It's produced by a root stemming from the Gedo Mazo which is Kaguya's/The Juubi's body summoned from within the moon by Madara. It is still roughly 10k White Zetsu for every 20-30 years though.

Still, if Madara bodied a full batallion without breaking a sweat, Momoshiki can body a 100,000+ white zetsu army comfortably imo

@@josebatxu32 I literally just told you that it wouldn't be 100,000 strong. It would be millions, if not BILLIONS strong. The population of the *entire world.*

Got damn

@@aurizzistic not really. By the look of it sasuke barley touches Sakura

Hot

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Damn

I think Sasuke did the bedroom thing😏 blind and said "oh this easy I can do this with my eyes closed " then eventually after sasuke left the village they had a child

he never said they could win but adult Sasuke and Naruto could wipe the floor with her by themselves also teenage naruto and Sasuke would destroy Madara

@@floyd7525 cap

Naruto and Sasuke never struggled against madara they weren't even sweating madara wass being clapped and he ran away to get his rinnegan in order to perform infinite tsukiyomi

​@@floyd7525facts

​@@GS-gd1nmNo naruto might lose to infinite tsykoyomi. Sasuke still wins.

Thank u finally sb with brain and reading skills. He stated on how he is determined to protect the village. It means he will wholeheartedly fight for the village no matter the threats even if he loses. Now imagine Sasuke struggling with a fucking chicken Dino. Ouhh this already happened

Sasuke fanboys only rely on feats. And Madara Jubidara is featless. To understand jubidara's power requires theory. But Sasuke fanboys don't accept the theory. "But kinshiki > kaguya", "Read LN". These are words that must be said. Of course fighting Otsutsuki is a very good feat. But that's not fair, because Madara never met Otsutsuki or fought Otsutsuki.

Sasuke literally cut Madara in half idiot

It was Kishimoto's way of showing us that he was too much to truly be defeated. "All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Uchiha Madara does not." - Kishi

@@Phoenix-sj1snKishimoto never said that and kaguya is stronger than madara💀

@@Phoenix-sj1snso kishimoto got rid of the a character bcs he was so strong. than replaces him with a stronger character?

honestly if team 7 defeated madara like they did with kaguya i think he would have been clear to people that Sasuke is stronger

Cord in bio. Sasuke 1 shots

Visit a mental hospital

Just because Earths chakra fruit might be more potent than others doesnt make her stronger than Momoshiki. You have to remember that this was Kaguya's FIRST chakra fruit, she was a low ranking Otsutsuki compared to Isshiki so she wouldn't have eaten any fruits before, which explains why she seems so weak before she ate the fruit like you mentioned. Momoshiki on the other hand, would have eaten a number of chakra fruits during the time that Kaguya was on Earth, sealed away or even before she ever came to earth. Earths fruit may have been more potent, but Momoshiki would have been eating a number of chakra fruits over literal centuries, and Kaguya would have only eaten the 1 fruit. So sure, Kaguya might have briefly had the advantage over Momoshiki when she initially ate the fruit, but it makes no sense for Momoshiki to just not get stronger over the centuries that Kaguya was sealed, and thats not even accounting for his fused form

I think people downplay her bone techniques. It could shatter susanoo armor, and if it stuck you, it disintegrated you. I also think its incapable of being absorbed, but I could be wrong. Her ability to change the battlefield to switch things up is also neat. I dunno about her durability, but I'm quite sure she can't take a punch or 2.

You know I absolutely hate when they call kaguya weak in boruto. I legit cannot wrap my mind around something, how did kaguya, who is supposedly way WAY weaker than iishiki, beat him nearly to death without even eating her first tree? She was slightly above human level back then, not even close to being a realized ootsutsuki and iishiki had all of his powers as he could not train in jigen's ear, so how would that even be possible, kaguya would die if he even looked at her wrong. This is just a massive plot hole imo to make the new ootsutsuki seem stronger than her

@@axelb7775 She caught him off guard, which has been shown to be devastating in the Naruto verse (Madara and Zetsu, Naruto and Shin, Kaguya and Sakura are all perfect examples)

@rule5120 those are different tho.. sakura wasn't alone and just punched (also it's a plot hole cuz kaguya has 360 vision and can't be ambushed like that), zetsu revived kaguya at that moment so he wasn't alone either, naruto was just stabbed, nowhere near death, but like we are talking about the difference between the strongest ootsutsuki we've seen so far, and a ootsutsuki imitation who's best feat was blow up people. Normal, regular people. Regardless of what she does to him there is nothing that can harm him with that massive power difference, no ninjutsu, no taijutsu, absolutely nothing. Maybe if she had a way to control actual elements, the same way kirin works, but she can't do that in her prime, she definitely couldn't do that then.

That’s only if sasuke has absorbed the tailed beasts into his susanoo. If not then sasuke loses that battle hard. The two of them were struggling against two rinnegan eyed jinchuriki madara.

​@@gammafrostthey were still learning their powers then and actually were doing just fine until the infinite tsukyomi was cast. And sasuke is immune to that with his susano active. Sasukes speed is either on par or surpasses madara aswell

Final valley sasuke has yin 6 paths, rinnegan and all tailed beasts. Madara has yin and yang 6 paths, rinnegan, rinnesharingan and all tailed beasts. Think again.

@@GS-gd1nmthis isn’t Pokémon, Sasuke still power cliffs despite having less hax his hacks and stats are more effective and maxed out

delusional kids

1- Obito said that bcs he had literally no knowleadge of Kaguya and other more powerfull character + his knowleadge of Hagoromo was fcking poor ( bro literally said that he is as strong as him 💀💀💀) 2-Naruto and Sasuke we're equal and 1 naruto clone was equal to 1 limbo. Sasuke can literally makes shadow clones too, not just as many as naruto but there is no problem to create 4 and sasuke can literally SEE THEM Naruto could only sense them 3-Thats true he could learn it . but even rinnegan have speical ability only to 1 user same as MS. Soo madara learing this ability is just hypothetical. 4- Immortality doesnt mean you cannot lose. Kaguya was, Hiddan was, even technically Kakazu was. + Madara was never stated to be Immortal. Madara said that Guy almost killed them (implies he could die there) but he regenerated. Then Sasuke splited in half ( which is fcking big feat on its own) and said: "I guess its NOT ENOUGH TO KILL YOU". And Madara just smirked. That just implying that its possible to kill him. But sasuke doesnt need to do that. He can seal him in Chibaku tensei ( He could maybe break, but sasuke was able as Teen in 1 moment seal 9 WHOLEASS BIJUUS at once. Pretty sure he could pull all strenght in One and seal Madara)

@breexy7190 1 clone was not equal to 1 limbo at the end. sasuke said madara Limbo is still outside, meaning Naruto clones lost the fight with the limbo clones.

@@breexy7190 u can't can't seal madara in planetary devastation because madara could also do the same thing. Madara could seal sasuke.

@@breexy7190Thats not true, we literally only saw Naruto’s clones go head to head with Madara’s limbo on just one page but after the fact, Naruto’s clones are gone and Madara’s limbo are still kicking. In fact his Limbo actually surrounded the both of them and Naruto was scared. Three eyed Juubidara is featless and we didnt see him use full power but he was confident he could defeat Naruto and Sasuke after his upgrades. Madara also became borderline immortal after absorbing that tree, people are really out here underestimating Madara.

That’s actually not true. He was only doing that to one eye Madara WITH the help of Naruto but Madara received two amps after the fact. Did we forget that Madara had both Naruto and Sasuke in a corner after getting his upgrades?? We didnt even see what new abilities he had because Black zetsu killed him but Madara was pretty confident he could take them after getting stronger. Sasuke was actually at his strongest when he gathered all nine tailed beasts and absorbed them into his Susano’o. I really believe people are downplaying Madara.

@xDiViNexInfectedx Sasuke is astronomically stronger and more skilled than Madara as an adult. He regularly visited Kaguya's castle and threw hands with Naruto. The excuse of "But he has Naruto powers and even then some!" Is irrelevant when Sasuke has more power and 17 years to hone his skills. Madara loses, even if you gave him Kaguya's powers. I'd even go far as to say that you could give him that AND Kaguya herself, and they will still lose.

If Momoshiki and Kinshiki are stronger than Kaguya then i raise my hands.

​@@demonmoonx9993Madara has lived through an entire lifetime of fighting and has much more experience and skill than sasuke. What u talking about?

@CodeF416 He still was getting his ass beat by Naruto and Sasuke

Adult Sasuke does not have Six Paths Chakra. What are u talking about dude?

@@corterapidoetramontina2904if he didn’t have six paths chakra, he’d drop on the floor and be hospitalized from using his transportation ninjutsu once

@@redbool1115 Yup

@@redbool1115 😂😂 just be making up stuff

@@HC-gm4fo In NARUTO SHIPPUDEN it was stated that one portal takes up more than 1/3 of kcm2 + so6p Naruto’s chakra, why exactly does it reference Naruto’s chakra instead of sasuke? I don’t know. But that alone means sasuke never lost his six paths chakra. In fact he literally uses his chakra taxing abilities more in boruto than against kaguya. It’s literally just your headcanon that Naruto and sasuke somehow got weaker in boruto

To support this, Sasuke states that they are Kaguya level threat, and it sounds like he reffers to their power, but if you think about it, the objective to defeat Kaguya was to seal her using so6p power, and for those 2 is to kill them, the first is much much easier and shows the power difference.

Kaguya would have no way of knowing if Isshiki is alive and wouldn’t think he is Also everything just blatantly says that it was about Momoshiki Stop reaching

HAHAHAHAHAHA...... no

@@morifutai1916 it wasn't about only momoshiki fodder it was about momoshiki + kinshiki and plus there was some guy which looks like different from urashiki neither fodder urashiki nor momoshiki or kinshiki can do anythign agaistn kaguya those are just fodders that men can be one of the men in that destroyed tables when sasuke was in jigens dimension

​@@determination982they are kaguya level threats because they are otsutsuki

I'm pretty sure he was about half power after the teleport maybe less and i believe he could have beat momoshiki fused and unfused if he was full power

Why tf Sasuke doesn't use chakra and ninjutsu absorption ability of rinnegan whenever he gets a chance or needs to ?

It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

@@sixfromtokyoVery true, but I’ve seen so many people try to scale someone like Hagaromo as the strongest being in the verse over people like Isshiki and Baryon Naruto because of him being the “So6P” 😵‍💫

@@mrgotham3685 you do realize that hagarmo has creation of all things and basically infinite isgani?

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlThere isn't anything called "isgani", and creation of all things is meaningless in a battle scenario.

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl My guy he isn’t Jesus 💀

This simply wouldn't make any sense because all three iterations of the telling all suggest she feared momoshiki because she specifically name drops him. This is how Sasuke learned his name, if she feared the clan as a whole she would have mentioned that in the first place but that wasn't the case. It was momoshiki who was coming and it was momoshiki who was boasting he was going to be the one to do it, meaning the clan was confident he was enough to deal with her. Otherwise the whole clan would have come together and dealt with her together if they actually felt she was a threat.

@@Michael-wj8pe did momo know kaguya had betrayed them before he met sasuke? I dont remember

@@whateveriwant6985yea he knew

@@whateveriwant6985 Yes, I'm assuming Isshiki sent out a signal of some sort. Nothing is explained about how Momoshiki knows Kaguya betrayed the clan, but what we do know is that it was Momoshiki the one who was tasked to deal with her.

@@Michael-wj8pe ahh ok, that probably makes more sense then afterall

They are relative

Yeah but Madara still has hax that are very relevant in Naruto even today. He had three Rinnegan, had most of the Juubi absorbed and the tree of life. The thing is, Madara at his peak (three eyes) is featless but he was confident he could take out Naruto and Sasuke.

@xDiViNexInfectedx you're over-glorifying madara. He was a mere imitation of an ootsutsuki. Yes, he was an amazing shinobi.. for his time. He wasn't stronger than any of the actual ootsutsuki, he failed to take on naruto and sasuke at the time they fought and he simply didn't scale up because he died. Again, he is great, when you're not comparing him to the big league shinoby that continued to grow, it's the same case as itachi.

@@axelb7775 Madara was already above Naruto and Sasuke with one eye. By the time he died he became a full otsutsuki. He is still relative to adult Naruto and Sasuke. The reason he isn’t scaled up is because he died before using anything close to full power.

​@@HC-gm4fono brain no pain. Create own happiness

Oh yess, the famous promotional ad canon statement

@@raystriker3512why would they lie about that? And besides it adds up since Naruto and sasuke manhandled momoshiki once they got serious

Kaguya was stated to be the biggest threat after that

Can you give me the link to the statement of last novel. I wanna read it myself

Yep I got it. It’s in page 113

its obvious thast naruto and sasuke are just kage level ... sasuke is just another madara level with 2 rinnegans ... but his chakra level is too low ... naruto is kage level also ... for example if hashirama would seal kurama inside of him he would be 10 times stronger than amdara ... adult naruto is just fodder ... darui and gaara put the guy who ate 20 divine trees into a cornenr and this people think momoshik is kaguya level its so poor ... weakling youngster 10 year old kid naruto and boruto and jeraia killed urashiki like a fodder sasuke couldn't even fight with that fodder urashiki sasuke bragged that he can solo kaguya level threat but momoshiki never was kaguya level since kaguya could destroy entire dimensions momoshiki couldn't even destroy one village lol momoshiki's taijutsu experience wasn't even at guy level ... guy would smash that fodder momoshiki lol his regeneration abilities are so weak lol its funny that how weakest version of rasengan destroyed momoshiksi body yet the guy ate 20 divien trees and he also absorbed kinshiki lol madara got sliced and diced and almost got fried by night guy the strongest taijutsu user we have seen in boruto and naruto ... but still he was caapble to regenerate ... i dont get the idea that those weakling fodders are kaguya level not even in dream the can reach kaguya level the weakling fodder momoshik iate 20 divine trees but wasn't even capable to cast any ninjutus or shinjutsu lol kaguya could just use truth seeking orbs at dimension levle but fodder momsohik iwasn't even capable to do so even after he ate kinshiki + 20 divine tree lol darui and gaara put him into a cornenr iisihki if he was strong he would visit kaguya many many times but he never dared since his regeneration abilities were also weak and weak nothing compared to madara ... madara was able to withstand narutos lava rasen shuriken empowered with six path senjutsu but poor weakling momoshiki got smashed by weakest version of it lol by burritos hand if iisihki was so storng he would appear front of kaguya after kaguyua smashed poor guy and after he possessed jigens body ... but he never dared to visi kaguya not even once in spite of that he had ten tails and he could use it against kaguya ... but not even that he could ... but hey he visited adult naruto and sasuke and defeated them in his weakest vessel . .. he also absorbed ten tails power since jigen was just a monk and his chakra level was too low so he needed ten tails ... but he never dared to visi kaguya .. never ever ... he was too busy seems since his abilities are trash he couldn t' even heal his hands and lower body like madara lol yet this people think jigen is some all-mighthy guy but never dared to visit kaguya never appeared in war arc as some new guy-enemy he never dared to appear after kaguya came out of demonic statue after zetsu unsealed her from demonic status which is husk of ten tails ... literally those otsotsukis we have seen are just fodders ... only strong otsotsuki will be shibai so called .. there's many shibai like persons i am sure not every otsotsuki would be weaklings like iisihki urashiki kinshiki and momoshiki are ... but those are fodders compared to kaguya ... sasuke never reach madara leevel since sasuke cant even fly since ... and madara can smash his poor susano by wood techniques for example shinsu senju hashiras two types of dragons and so on ... he can use limbo and limbo hengoku which can smash poorsasuke and he can do nothing agaisnt them since his moon seals are gone and now his power cant hurt those limbo clones heck he cant even use shadow clones and only physical attacks can hurt limbo so his susano can do zilch against them lol just limbo hengoku and his susano is done like he put all tailed beasts like a dog lol sasuke is literally fodder and this people think he is madara level because he bragged that he can fight kaguya level threats lol but these people forgot that kaguya smashed poor sasukes susano and if there was no naruto he would get fried in lava dimension twice ... naruto saved him ... sasuke is literally fodder ... all killing ash bones are enough to kill weakling sasuke and he can hide nowhere ... or kaguya just can merge with the nature and he can smash poor sasuke like she was smashing naruto when she merged with nature lol sasuke is nowhere at kaguya level this is stupidity ... this people dont use their brains ... what sasuke can use against nature istself when kaguya is merging with nature where sasuke can hide lol sasuke is literally fodder even shin uchiha almost smashed poor guy he is above kage level sure but a little bit ... nowhere he is at madara level since his chakra is too low and what sasuke got he got from hagoromo withotu hagoromo he would be fodder lol what madara gained it was always by his own power lol he acquired hashiramas cells by himself he awakened rinengan summoned demonic statue became ten tails jubi he ate divine tree (which is another ten tails made up by obito ) he awakened rinen sharingan and then zetsu betrayed him ... what sasuke can do against that madara he tried to hit him but there were limbos around him nothing got madara ... he couldn't hurt him ... i am not saying anything against his giant susano which is much much bigger than sasukes ... since sasukes susano is the same size as kurama is and kurama is the same size as hachibi is and in manga when night guy uses hirudora against madara we have seen there that evne not complete susano is the same size as hachibi is (i mean madars imperfect susano ) ... sasukes susano is smaller and weaker lol nothing sasuke has except his teleportation jutsu amonetijakara and time-space ninjutsu lol sasuke is strong yeah nowhere at madara level neither kaguya level and for sure not hagoromo level lol those will eat him alive in a seconds ... even zetsus stated that nowadays reincarnations are too weak sasuke/naruto ... since without kurama he is weakling boy lol without hagoromos chakra sasuke got fodderized by one eyed madara lol literally weaklings ... hagoromo leveled them up ... and yeah as this author of this video said we should stop discussing against sasuke vs madara since its too dumb to think that sasuke is madara level lol

Also people underestimate Madara. Both Kaguya and Ishiki lost to shadow clones .Madara can tell the difference. His wood style is a perfect punter to Naruto’s tailed beast chakra and will absorb it. He’s got two mangekyo’s he didn’t use and the Rinnegan abilities which seem superior to Sasukes. His susanoo is the exact same level as Sasukes.

The copium is insane 😭

@@historyking9984 In Kaguya case she wasn't able to know the difference, but she had a lot of power to kill Naruto and Sasuke even without it. Kakashi buff at the end of the fight was what saved them from lose the battle. Sakura and Obito also helped a lot bringing Sasuke back. Sasuke from Boruto is a bit hard to understand his power level, because Boruto is a mess. There character become as strong as they need to be or weak in the plot demands. Sasuke mastered his rinnegan on those 15 years, but in Boruto he sudenly forget his abilities. At same time the plot is not clear of how much chakra he have. Some times it looks like he have a lot other times looks like he have very little. Boruto looks like forgot that bijuu chakra are especial giving an extremely huge buff to all atributes, sage mode do the same and both abilities stack. It is never explained how Sasuke can keep up with Naruto when he lost Hagoromo chakra and now just have his normal one. In Boruto Naruto get hit by normal weapons and pierced by it LOL Like when he got stabed Shin attaks... The dude was in KCM + sage mode and didn't react to that. Boruto just forgot that 4 tails Narutos was almost impossible to piece with normal weapons... Even Orochimaru especial sword wasn't able to scratch him in 4 tails mode... Now anything gets throught him. The power level became very messy.

@@historyking9984clones? u mean the naruto clones that are equal in strength to the actual naruto. and than isshiki was already dying and crumbling to death. kawaki just laid the final blow. that does not take away anything from either isshiki or kaguya

The problem with this argument is you have to be *really* biased in Madara’s favour. To put it bluntly, if the Kaguya’s Chakra + Rinnesharingan amp multiplied Madara’s power by *nine* times he still wouldn’t be comparable to Kaguya. 1 Rinne-Madara got one shot on-the-verge-death by one Rasenshuriken where Kaguya shrugged off nine different flavours of Cellular Shredding *after using Amenominaka multiple times when Madara can’t do it once AND before her exponential power amp* - That’s not all. Kaguya also fought and held her own against an endless omnidirectional army of Shadow Clones(Where one was enough to match a Limbo Madara) *while she wasn’t trying to kill Naruto and holding back AND again PRE-AMP post chakra loss* c’mon. She also shrugged of a blow from Boil Release whose power amp made Naruto have Unparalled Taijutsu Power. Kaguya’s abilities also have potency that far exceed Madara’s. She could casually ambush Naruto and Sasuke who could sense and see Limbo Clones. Her Ash-Killing Bones is far more lethal than anything Madara can pull. Her Vacuum Fist causally ripped apart a P. Susanoo when Madara had to stall via Multiple Meteors. Her Regeneration is also better and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb’s Potency exceeds anything of Madara’s. FFS People debate whether EoS Naruto(+ Vs Sasuke abilities) could best Madara(IT Restricted).

@@actuallyreallybored3552 @actuallyreallybored3552 yeah well, I mean tbh we only really see Madara get curb stomped by Naruto before he took in the god tree and got his second Rinnegan. Also before he had the third eye. I don't think kaguya and Madara are so far apart, but I don't see Madara really winning. Also Madara's arsenal does have some things as lethal as ash bones, mainly just the soul steal of the Rinnegan. But he really doesn't have any win cons against her, she just goes around him with portals, and the best he can hope for is being able to see her with the limbo clones and dodge or something (I don't remember if he can see in real time through the limbo clones). The only way Madara can beat her would be if she can't see or sense the limbo clones, and through that get her with the soul steal or start chipping away at her. But against Isshiki it's different, if we equalize their stats and ignore lore, Madara could get him more easily, mainly because isshiki is far less hacks based, he doesn't have really anything to really get Madara (and also I don't think he can see the limbos), he doesn't seem to have TSO, and he probably doesn't have any counter to the Rinnegan powers.

@@tillii4900 Yeah, Madara vs Kaguya isn’t probably *that* much of a Stomp, but Kaguya is the pinnacle of Shippuden Power for a reason, If Naruto didn’t have thousands of Shadow Clones to deal with her frankly, too many, instant kills(Kaguya you do not need *two* ways to easily paralyse your opponents), Team 7 would be screwed and Rinne Madara only uses four Limbo Clones, Heck no one but Naruto uses Clones even when they easily should. Eh, Six Path Gimmick like Regular Clones can’t contain Yin Six Path stuff I guess. I don’t think the Soul Steal works here. I’m fairly certain the Soul Steal only works on those way weaker than themselves. Also Kaguya has the *Rinne* - *Sharingan* and *Byakugan* (Kishimoto your thematics are not subtle, well they are 98% of the fandom misses way too much but not in this case) + She’s upset that her sons *inherited some* of her power. Y’know the same Six Path Power Naruto and Sasuke are using to fight Madara and herself. Yeah, if Madara tries to Soul Rip her she can probably do the same to him. And if she can’t see Limbo Clones I will literally eat my shit lol. Also Hiruzen *summoned the Shinigami to Soul Rip Orochimaru* and Orochimaru resisted for like 3 hours and could still telekinesis his Kusanagi to stab Hiruzen and fight it off. Pain also only uses Soul Steal against fodder and Obito and Madara just never use the ability even when it could probably afford them an instant win so I assume it’s worthless against *The Goddess of Chakra* here.

@@tillii4900 Kaguya tored Isshiki before she got chakra fruit and tentails. Isshiki had no chakra left to plant the karma, which hints he used it against her in a fight, and if you refuse this we know that when Ten-tails Madara got cut in half by sasuke he still had chakra to cross dimension. Madaras chakra >isshiki which makes kaguyas chakra beyond isshiki

Noooo. Even prime Sasuke is no match. The main reason his Chakra and durability. Also not to forget how he lost to a child, and a Dino and never even did anything to Isshiki at all who was at his deathbed

@@OchidHaven you say this as if Madara could have done anything to Isshiki. Scaling after Naruto the Last is cracked unfortunately.

@@galientl4723 Limbo solos Isshiki. Stop watching Naruto from reels.

@@OchidHaven if that’s what you gotta tell yourself sure man, despite Naruto needing to bust out his strongest form that will kill him just to deal with him.

@@galientl4723 Bro Read Naruto or watch Boruto. Ffs I cannot have explaining to u why Limbo is so op against Isshiki. He doesn’t have Rinnegan and Six paths which means he can’t see or hurt Limbo at all. Like he literally can’t do anything. Stfu and stop watching Naruto from reels

Nah even seen people say BLIND Madara would beat Adult Sasuke unironically

No, we can't. They are interesting matchups to discuss about.

@@oldkingcoal4376 no they aren’t they are as big of a stomp fest as this video

Ishiiki cant percieve limbo so its kinda real..

@@GS-gd1nm you can only counter someone so much to the point where it doesn't matter, isshiki's stts are a hundredfold better than madara

@@redbool1115 one stab to the heart will hurt ishiiki and hed have no way to counter it

Ye thats when I realise this guy can study naruto all he wants but Low IQ will remain Low IQ

The effectiveness of the army is irrelevant, it only shows that kaguya is scraping at anything for help against momo and kin, effectiveness in a fight is irrelevant. It just shows that kaguya needs help against momo and kin because she’s weaker than them

he actually is, adult sasuke has no moon seal needed to beat jubidara. remember he was immortal so only sealing jutsu can defeat him. dont forget kid, get out of infinite tsukuyomi aready

@themacso4157 sasuke and naruto are stated to be equals in the beginning of boruto and can fight kaguya level threats, kaguya was stated to be above madara alone so good try kid and release the genjutsu madara put you under 😂😂😂🤣

@@brysonbender7715 that doesnt mean they can defeat kaguya without the seals lel get around that cope yeah kaguya above madara IN CHAKRA LOL as if kaguya would be a better soldier and strategist than madara. Boruto itself is a bad infinite tsukuyomi dream😂😂😂

@@themacso4157 it's already been stated

@@brysonbender7715 sasuke cant even touch madaras limbo and madara cant be killed hes immortal, sasuke only kekkei genkai he doesnt share with madara is amaterasu and thats useless agasint him. Sasuke needs both sun and moon seals to beat madara while madara can chop suei sasuke and he doesnt have regeneration so hes fried as a kfc

No lol, that has literally nothing to do with anything, the chakra fruit on earth doesn’t account for Momoshiki’s dozens of chakra fruits, post absorption or not, there’s 6 statements proving Momo > Kaguya. Stop coping

@thedevilhimself1481 there isn't any statements disproving what I have said. Feats > statements. Kaguya's feats are greater than Fused Momoshikis

@@NopeP prove feats > statements

​@@thedevilhimself1481 im stating that i can beat mike tyson in a fight so does that make it true? Just common sense dude

​@@thedevilhimself1481and quality > quantity of fruits, kinshiki said earths curvature exceeds 16 and is an anomaly so must be reported to the clan

Limiters code is right under jigen. Meaning he could hold his own against prime naruto and sasuke ( hed lose ) who massively outscale any obito form. In short code stomps

Code said a massive rasengan is otsutsuki power. White mask mid diffs and juubito no diffs

Prove that

Naruto kept up with Momoshiki in base who is much stronger than kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke are far stronger in Boruto, said by the creator, specifically the creator said that Naruto and sasuke are so strong that they had to lower the scales of the fights down to hand to hang combat

In the Sasuke light move or whatever it’s called kishimoto said that Sasuke and Naruto trained after the 4th great shinobi war to individually gain to the level above kagyua to face threats like her. And for your point in Boruto I think kishimoto or someone else wanted to tone down the fight so the newer characters can shine. The anime is called Boruto not Naruto or Sasuke

Kishimoto said that they got stronger. You can also see their power up in The Last movie. They're on a new level. Sasuke didn't loose against Kinshiki. He would easily win but he didn't want to drag the fight because of Momoshiki also being there. He didn't know how strong Momoshiki was so he played it safe and ran away

@@zecikk_5651 I’m not just talking about that fight but the one afterwards. He fight is with the other kage and it takes a bit to seal kinshiki. Also base Momoshiki said the 9 tails chakra was a lot and couldn’t even fully absorb it easily . That alone makes him pail in comparison to Kaguya . Momoshiki also ate several chakra pills throughout the time before fusing making him stronger than normal.

@@historyking9984 Okay so? The pills are a part of his arsenal. Kaguya never really absorbed any chakra as far as I remember so idk what do you mean by that. 90% of the Kinshiki fight was actually just the 4 kage vs Kinshiki. Sasuke literally swung his sword once, creating an opening for the 4 kage to seal Kinshiki.

​@@zecikk_5651last movie is stupid love story of Naruhina sasuke has no feats there

So6p Naruto destroyed kaguya madara is no exception Naruto can regenerate has all individual tailed beast chakra if it hits madara the same shit that happened to obito and Kaguya gonna happen as it was given directly by hogoromo

It all started with some errors... No offence but kage vs Momoshiki was dumb af! Let's say...... There's a UFC fighter in a critical condition and has 1 hour to live and he has to fight a normal human then what would happen? Who would win? Ofcourse he'd win but who'd be alive? Jigen, Isshiki all had weakness and I'm glad it happened lol unlike Naruto where they made madara op... If you think that Madara is weak or ain't skilled and smart then i don't know what to say.. When he was about to get serious, he got back stabbed...... He was known for holding back. He got hax.... It was stated that kaguya had more chakra but again Kaguya had more chakra than Naruto and Sasuke could ever have combined does that means they are leach in front of her? No! She was stupid, doesn't like fighting and she might have overestimated Momoshiki and others.... There are other things too..... New villians are supposed to be stronger but sometimes they create broken characters..... I swear if they remove kage vs Momoshiki scene then most of the people would be convinced

@Devil-ig7kl The problem with 90% of the community is that they just go with their favorite character. Here is an example " hmm who's stronger Madara or Isshiki? Well I like Madara more because he used more abilities than Isshiki so Madara the strongest." That's literally their thought process and your going to have a really hard time telling them otherwise. They don't use any real data, they pay no attention to statements that are made in the Manga or data books when it comes to power levels. They did a poll on if Itachi and Madara teamed up against Jigen in Sasuke and Narutos place they would have killed Jigen. They have no clue how insane Sasuke and Naruto were in terms of power at that point in the story. Of course, content creators in this community really have to be on their Ps and Qs so I've only seen 1 content creator who was messing up, but it really wasn't anything too serious. I think I've cracked the code the Boruto/Noruto community have more casuals in it than any other anime community Im some what of a casual too and yet I still never overlook data or use head cannon thats way off the mark just to get my favorite characters over. Six keeps it real, so the people here should always get the right answers, I haven't found anyone in his comments arguing for Madara yet, so that's a good sign.

@@ladrellhart2063 Man i love Madara but Isshiki outclasses him in everything... The only downside is that he has weak vessel and in boruto.... Power, intelligence means shit because of the ability to absorb ninjutsu.... So all you need is speed, taijutsu and ability to absorb ninjutsu and you're golden! Isshiki's shrinking ability is broken! Imagine if he had regeneration 😂 that's the reason Boruto characters has weakness. Again ln,databooks are bs..... What's the point of having tremendous amount of power? Just to get kicked by weaklings? Man if you remove that kage vs Momoshiki shit then everything will make more sense! Trust me! And honestly it's hard to say who's strongest because one counters another....... Momoshiki's ninjutsu is insane because he absorbs it and fires back at 200%? I don't remember exact amp but what's the point if your opponent can absorb it? Madara got too many hax and regen but unfortunately we haven't seen him going all out.... And don't underestimate limbo!

Based on what we’ve seen, kaguya doesn’t even come close in taijutsu. Momoshiki was literally swapping hands with adult naruto and sasuke. If you notice during the kaguya fight, she rarely went on the offensive using close combat

Current Sasuke loses to Madara though

​@@moshehhubbard756 no. Adult Sasuke would still dog-walk Madara without Rinnegan. In fact, he may even kill Madara even more brutally since he doesn't have his chakra constantly drained by a Rinnegan that he couldn't deactivate

@@thmistrapillay1811 Sasuke has no feats saying he will brutally kill him is complete headcanon. You have no idea of what it takes to kill a Juubi Jinchuuriki. Guy destroyed Madara's entire left side including his heart and Madara was just laughing, that's Madara without the God tree and before he stated he was immortal. Sasuke then proceeds to slice Madara in half yet he's smiling later on about it. Sasuke no longer can see Limbo meaning Sasuke can't even fight Madara in close combat. And amaterasu is hopeless seeing that Juubito can sense Sasuke using amaterasu, and react to it and use a truth seeking orb to counter it. Perfect Susanno is wayyy too slow for Madara, Limbo will eventually break through. Madara can easily slow Sasuke down by using catastrophic Chibaku tensei, which had Sasuke annoyed, not the size of how strong it was, so don't try to say "Sasuke is stronger now😭" Sasuke was annoyed about the numbers which Sasuke will never change. And that's with the help of Naruto. Saying current Sasuke is stronger than both teen Sasuke and teen SPSM Naruto combined is a bit of a stretch. Regardless that would give Madara enough time to cast Infinite Tsukiyomi or have Limbo catch him off guard. Madara eliminates Sasuke, so what if he has more chakra since his rinnegan is gone. Madara has 10× more chakra than Sasuke. To make you happy I'll say Madara mid difs Sasuke lol

@@gammafrost kaguya had god vaccum attack which destroyed sasukes perfect susanoo and this attack is taijutsu in databook

Yea I been wanting to make that video for awhile. but the Databooks are written by Kishimoto.

The issue with data books is people pretend they don’t know the difference between actual info and a hyperbole just to discredit. Take temari blow the world away line. It clearly a punny way of saying she impresses everyone.

​@@sixfromtokyo Yeah, yeah, I mean. I know his names on the front, but that's just because he made naruto. I find it hard to believe Kishimoto would contradict himself so hard, something that ONLY happens in the databook. He never contradicts his story like that in interviews, or in really any other format that I've seen. It's not even just Kishimoto. Every shonenjump databook is full of contradictions, some even more blatant. Bleach, Dragonball, Naruto, One piece. The writing style, doesn't match anything else Kishi's ever written, however it does match literally every other Shonen jump databook. Also, the schedule of a mangaka, as we all know, is already incredibly demanding. Hard to believe, he would have time to solo author a whole databook in the first place. There's also multiple statements, like スタッフ皆で苦労して 作り上げた本です! at the end of databook 4 (one in 3 and 1 from my memory) There's never a statement from Kishimoto even implying that he wrote them, or even mentioning any work he put into them that I've seen. At most, it's unclear how much input he has, unless there's something I don't know about. Personally, I believe they're almost exclusively made by editors and staff, using Kishi's notes. Everything I've said can be said about most shonen jump writers. This isn't just a kishi thing. Just my opinion. Look forward to the vid. Keep up the good work.

The databooks don’t really contradict the manga that much. Something to take into account is that, let’s say the 3rd databook only covers everything up to Jiraiya vs Pain and anything in that book would not refer to anything last that.

​@@sixfromtokyonaruto movies r also written by kishimoto but r non canon

kishimoto went way too hard on that ending. Gave madara the rinnegan, then made blind alive madara stronger than edo rinnegan madara, then he gets sage mode, then he gets 1 rinnegan, then he becomes the jubi, then he gets both of his rinnegan, then absorbs the shinju tree (which makes no sense since the jubi is the fusion of kaguya and the shinju and they were already absorbed), then awakens the sharinnegan, and he just gets thrown aside for kaguya, who's even stronger.

It's not a fair debate because you want to jump through like 10 hoops to even make Madara seem good

@Theta117 Right, for the most part Sasuke is at his full potential. I would want madara to be at his full potential as well. Given all the circumstances I mentioned there's just no way Sasuke is killing madara lol

​@@alainlopez9970He weaker than Kaguya there you go he fodder even six path Naruto in the final valley fight would solo three eyed juubidara with boiling release or rasenshuriken barrage which heavily affected Kaguya

@gameuniverse5973 six paths Naruto is only stronger up until he absorbs all the sage chakara in the planet. Before that he isn't stronger than 3 eyed madara but this is about Sasuke individually against 3 eyed madara. Sasuke just doesn't have the ap to actually kill someone with that kind of regeneration. I know that kaguya is stronger but his regeneration is comparable to kaguyas basically.

He's debunked next

@@sixfromtokyo :(

He only needs one jutsu to send him to another dimension lol

he has one of the highest chakra pools in the series wdym

@@Riley.AM. it’s a joke in Boruto about how he keeps running out of chakra because the writers need to nerf him

@@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable i’m aware of the joke. it’s a funny joke. but it’s not to nerf him tho. and people actually think that he just doesn’t have a high chakra reserve

@@Riley.AM. I agree the guy was able to keep going after fighting the Kage, Danzo and team 7 so he’s definitely resilient.