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STOP growing THESE FRUIT TREES!? 

Stefan Sobkowiak - The Permaculture Orchard
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@Louisianapermaculture
@Louisianapermaculture 11 месяцев назад
Great video! Definitely looking for large trees in my orchard. A large tree provides plentiful room underneath for guilding, and abundant habitat for birds and such. I believe the fruit in reach will out compare the fruit a dwarf can produce, and the ones out of reach will be of no concern.
@Nick-Freeman
@Nick-Freeman 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I am growing my apple trees from seeds and grafting to them so they will be really big
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 11 месяцев назад
Sounds great!
@Naturalcrusader
@Naturalcrusader 10 месяцев назад
@@Nick-FreemanI’m growing from seed also but I’m going to wait and see what I get in terms of fruit quality before I start grafting anything
@Nick-Freeman
@Nick-Freeman 10 месяцев назад
@@Naturalcrusader yeah, I might keep one branch on a few of the trees to see what they turn out to be
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 9 месяцев назад
I learned a neat trick from Mark Shepard, he grafts over the first or second branch of the seedling. In that way he gets the dependability of the cultivar grafted but also gets to see what the seedling give. If good he gathers scions from these bottom branches and grafts them. If not good then just prunes them off.
@jakobbrun6535
@jakobbrun6535 11 месяцев назад
I am planting a home orchard soon, with trees i grafted 2 years ago. They went on wild root stocks, and it's gonna be interesting to see what size they end up with! :D Especially since some of the cultivars are already described as vigorously growing, and producers of large fruit trees. We've started to have some very dry summers and some super wet autumns, so I picked wild root stocks simply to get a hardy tree with a strong root system, since I will want to keep irrigation to a minimum.
@Nick-Freeman
@Nick-Freeman 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I am doing the same thing
@josephjohnson6626
@josephjohnson6626 10 месяцев назад
The store around me almost never list the rootstock, but all ways say semi-dwarf. We have heavy clay soil and the root stock really matters so I end up ordering bare root trees every year because I can find out the root stock.
@roccoconte2960
@roccoconte2960 10 месяцев назад
What I noticed is the dwarfs are more sasuptable to pests and diseases, great video
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing and we’re glad you like this one
@eliinthewolverinestate6729
@eliinthewolverinestate6729 10 месяцев назад
I like a standard or xl rootstock. I like pruning and in U.p. of MI. I use wild pin and choke cherry rootstocks. Also have service berries I use for rootstocks. The service berries keep growing shoots. Will find out if the pears I grafted to the service berries survived next spring. I found a cherry plum that I plan on growing out and using rootstocks off it. I usually do round u.f.o. pruning on apples and u.f.o. inline on cherries. It helps with bird needing on cherries. We planted food plot clover to help with nitrogen.
@gelwood99
@gelwood99 11 месяцев назад
This cleared up some misconceptions I had about pruning for size! Makes Paul Gouchie's methods realistic and sound. Weighing down the branch to make it grow to accessible heights to pick instead of a different YT view on cut it to fit your space. Pruning is great for many plants/trees for differing reasons but I never thought about the effect on a fruit tree. Thank you for this explanation and for saving me the disappointment as we choose and then plant our new fruit trees this year.
@morethanmortal8362
@morethanmortal8362 11 месяцев назад
I’ve purchased the pruning course and he explains perfectly how to train them. I definitely recommend
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the support, glad to hear.
@timbushell8640
@timbushell8640 11 месяцев назад
Plant two or three rows of 'dwarf' trees at slightly closer row spacing, and then two or three rows of 'standard' trios... covers the near future cropping (income) and the multi-generational life of the 'orchard'. P.S. also a better playground for the granchildren too : )))))
@steveg9939
@steveg9939 8 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed this one. Great job with good teaching points.
@eliinthewolverinestate6729
@eliinthewolverinestate6729 10 месяцев назад
I like golden russets and ashmead's kernel. Got a nice orange crab apple and a red from very similar tree I use for rootstocks. Clones came from wild beautiful trees with thorns. Really close to each other which makes me think related to each other similar size and structure too. Just a fence row crab apple. But absolutely beautiful alone but together they really pop.
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
Golden russet are definitely a top 5!
@bichotvmusic6653
@bichotvmusic6653 10 месяцев назад
Great video. unfortunately, dwarf and semi-dwarf trees are hard to find in Mexico. If you go to any nursery, you’ll find standard trees most of the time. Those would be great if you Want to grow in containers. I’m growing standard apple trees in containers, some of them come from seeds and were grafted. I’ve heard that It’s not worthy It, but I’ve had a good harvest. Nice video!
@Naturalcrusader
@Naturalcrusader 10 месяцев назад
I’m planting hundreds of seeds and seedlings next year, I need to review your pruning videos
@Blynn-md4dx
@Blynn-md4dx 10 месяцев назад
I am planning in the same near th back of our property for a naturalized area(it is already wooded). Hopefully the deer will not get them all!
@Naturalcrusader
@Naturalcrusader 10 месяцев назад
@@Blynn-md4dx I’m putting chicken wire around them
@LittleJordanFarm
@LittleJordanFarm 11 месяцев назад
Thank you
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 11 месяцев назад
You’re welcome glad you liked this one
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 11 месяцев назад
You're welcome
@kated3165
@kated3165 9 месяцев назад
I live in eastern Canada and our winters are hard on trees, especially apple trees. Between the 8 foot snow banks, occasional ice storm, and the city snow blowers hurling chunks of ice, we pray yearly that the worst will be avoided. I've learned to always get a size bigger than what I originally wanted with apple trees, because a slightly bigger root stock allows the trees to grow and recover faster from damage. Plum trees branch out higher and the branches are more vertical so they are mostly spared, and our green gage is absolutely thriving. Still waiting on Opal and Yakima to bear fruit, but they are at their 5th year, and supposed to be early bearing cultivars, so crossing fingers!
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 9 месяцев назад
You get it.
@Terry-p5l
@Terry-p5l 5 месяцев назад
Beautiful beard stefan! looks good on you..
@dalepennington610
@dalepennington610 11 месяцев назад
Great stuff as always I purchased property with multiple crab/apple trees some are 12” in diameter @ base and 50’ tall how much can I prune/cut away for graphing. Thanks so much for you time and sharing
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 11 месяцев назад
You can graft on every branch just depends on how many different type of apples you want.
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed
@agpawpaw5912
@agpawpaw5912 10 месяцев назад
I wish I found your channel few years ago. Now I have forest of suckers and very few fruits. What to do now, cut it down and plant new orchard?
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
Gradually phase out the vertical MAIN BRANCHES, over three years. I did and it completely changed the orchard
@agpawpaw5912
@agpawpaw5912 10 месяцев назад
@@StefanSobkowiak thanks for advise. Just planted few new trees, good I see your video and not pruned yet!
@morethanmortal8362
@morethanmortal8362 11 месяцев назад
Wonderful
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 11 месяцев назад
Glad you found this one helpful
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@AlleyCat-1
@AlleyCat-1 10 месяцев назад
I bought some semi dwarf fruit tree's this yr, couldn't find any dwarf, but was still bummed that they're going to be huge. My folks bought a property many yrs ago that came with a small orchard & the tree's were/are short. Their plums tree's are the only thing that's left (after 35+ yr), but even the suckers have gotten to the same short height naturally. We've got an old orchard too, but we got the gigantic tree's, I wish there was a way to graft a mature branch onto something shorter, we have a broken cherry branch, it's still connected enough it still produces fruit lol but I'd like it to be in a better situation. 😊
@deeT02
@deeT02 11 месяцев назад
There are pickers that have a long reach to pick fruit in tall trees. Whats wrong with leaving the top fruit for wildlife? You get just as much fruit as a little tree.
@geeyoupee
@geeyoupee 11 месяцев назад
The best fruit are the ones at the top because they get the most sun. It's going to be harder to prune once you let it get tall. You need everything to be within reach or the amount of energy to prune or pick fruits will be high. You are more likely to maintain the tree if everything is easy. Most people don't need a ton of fruit so there's not really a reason to let it get tall.
@Hello-zf5lq
@Hello-zf5lq 11 месяцев назад
I have black leaves on my fruit treaves from blackspot fungus on an infected mature cherry tree.. should I keep growing them or scrap them and start over with something more resistant? Is an infected fruit tree worth growing?
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 11 месяцев назад
Keep growing them, the disease is a symptom of something else, usually for cherry it’s lack of drainage.
@nathanheuchan2286
@nathanheuchan2286 10 месяцев назад
I see you get trees from whiffletree. I've been getting most of my trees from them lately. Last year I got an almond tree from them which I thought was unique. Sadly the cultivar didn't make it past this springs last frost but the rootstock survived and grew what looks like a peach stem. So a question I have for you is should I try grafting a peach cultivar ontocit next year? I've never treid grafting.
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
Yes but practice doing about 50 with scrap branches before doing your lone peach.
@RandallG-qz6rb
@RandallG-qz6rb 6 месяцев назад
In the end I had to stake my semi-dwarf trees anyway, so I might don’t think staking is really a disadvantage of a dwarf tree
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 6 месяцев назад
Correct, most dwarf need staking or trellising.
@johnskillen6208
@johnskillen6208 11 месяцев назад
short is not a bad thing lol when we are ready to plant want our trees short
@WillowsGreenPermaculture
@WillowsGreenPermaculture 10 месяцев назад
Bonjour Stéphan. Je viens de découvrir vos chaînes. Je vois que vous mettez vos vidéos en français sur une chaîne et celles en anglais sur une autre. Moi aussi, je fais des vidéos dans les deux langues. Y a-t-il un avantage de les mettre sur des chaînes séparées au lieu de les garder sur la même chaîne?
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
Les vidéos français me faisaient perdre des subs. Donc j’ai commencé la deuxième. Mais je n’ai pas ajouté de vidéos depuis presqu’un an. Il faut alimenter une chaîne.
@WillowsGreenPermaculture
@WillowsGreenPermaculture 10 месяцев назад
@@StefanSobkowiak Comment savais-tu que les vidéos en français te faisaient perdre des subs?
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
@@WillowsGreenPermacultureoui avec les vidéos français ons perdais des sub parce que les gens qui comprennent pas devient frustré.
@WillowsGreenPermaculture
@WillowsGreenPermaculture 10 месяцев назад
@@ZaneMedia Merci. Merci. Je pensais que RU-vid dirigeais les vidéos de certaines langues aux gens qui utilisaient ces mêmes langues.
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 9 месяцев назад
Lorsque tu as une chaîne RU-vid te donne plein de statistiques sur chaque vidéo et sur la chaîne. Vraiment utile. On peut voir combien de subs une video te donne et combien on perd.
@yaseminsulker9017
@yaseminsulker9017 10 месяцев назад
I am so confused, everyone else said if you don't prune your fruit trees you can't get fruit. Are you saying this is wrong 😢
@charlesdevier8203
@charlesdevier8203 10 месяцев назад
That statement is just not true. So, "yes", it is "wrong"
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
It depends if the trees have been pruned before, then continue. Never pruned you can train it while young the not prune.
@evangoodlock1
@evangoodlock1 11 месяцев назад
Random comment
@ZaneMedia
@ZaneMedia 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the random comment haha
@sandysanders5137
@sandysanders5137 11 месяцев назад
The young crowd laffs at home permaculture...learn/realize ur demographic.. ur knowledgeable but ...
@aron8949
@aron8949 11 месяцев назад
No Way, dwarf rootstock is terrible, learn how to prune instead.
@ryandalion8379
@ryandalion8379 10 месяцев назад
It's so weird to be talked to like a child for 10 minutes
@stevecooper8121
@stevecooper8121 10 месяцев назад
New to growing apples, planted seven trees this year. The granny smith was about five feet tall and two and half feet wide in march when planted, now it's November and the tree is over ten feet tall and six feet wide, it grew twice as much as any of the others, now it has a good shape, should I prune it all over are just top it or leave it be ? Not really worried about getting apples from it, just have it for a pollinator for my other varieties.
@StefanSobkowiak
@StefanSobkowiak 10 месяцев назад
Don’t prune it until it is producing, you can bend the top to see if it will stay that size instead of pruning.
@stevecooper8121
@stevecooper8121 10 месяцев назад
@@StefanSobkowiak Ok, I'll try bending it.Measured it today with a tape measure and it was 11' 2" and it was 5' 5" in March when planted. Not bad for a Walmart bought tree. Thanks for the info.
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