Excellent point about the safety aspect of letting the reset dictate when the next round is fired. I can definitely see how that practice can lead to the follow up round being sent too early. Thanks for raising awareness of that.
IIRC it was 2014 in your advanced pistol shooting class in Indianapolis that you relayed this information to me and it finally clicked. Before that I had heard this I think probably from Dave Spaulding but for some reason I guess I wasn't ready to put it into practice. Of course, I had learned the click, bang way back in the '90s in LE circles so it was quite ingrained. I think the word is mostly out now that this is the way.?
I use this technique when I am trying to make a precise shot, same as cocking the hammer on a double action revolver. It is slower but in certain situations it works. Watch a couple of Honest Outlaw videos he always seems to shoot from reset, except when he shoots fast, and he can shoot as fast as anyone.
You are correct to an extent however that is just part of the equation if the only thing you do is feel for the reset you would be correct however any instructor worth their salt would teach the pinning and then follow up with further training once you developed the ability not to fully release the trigger and then slapping it or even putting your finger in a different location on the trigger creating inconsistency. You are correct in that correct sight alignment is the key which is also by learning to control the recoil and bringing the firearm back to proper sight alignment. So in essence proper followup training would be beneficial in not getting stuck on the trigger reset.
Learning to identify reset on a firearm is critical to shooting fast - Stopping training at slowly finding the reset is incomplete development. Same with telling someone to ignore reset and slap the f out of the trigger. Slowing down to feel the reset during real shit or failing to let the trigger reset and having a jerked dead trigger can both cost you time or your life. There is a balance and it's not 100% one or the other.
Thanks for the very helpful video. Always appreciated when someone who actually has knowledge shares it....getting to be a rare thing on YT, especially in the firearm area.
Dang, thanks for making this video. Been a LE Firearms Instructor for a long time and never been fan of the trigger reset. It does teach a very bad habit. For a lot of instructors to include the range master at my old agency, this is all the rage.
I've always heard it called "riding the reset". You always see the "tacticool" dudes doing this and sometimes even teaching people to do it. I agree it's a bad thing. The people that do it must not shoot double action revolvers because it aint going to work.
Alot of content creators are obsessed with audible and tactile reset. I think of pinning the trigger like the practice of staging DA revolver triggers. I believe they are both questionable.
@@williamryan9195 It's not quite like staging a DA revolver trigger. The difference is when you stage a DA, it's ready to fire, with minimal input. When you pin the auto, the gun has loaded, locked and is ready, except you now have two directions to move your finger. One of which you could have done in recoil, while you're reacquiring your sight picture. Now you have to waste time and movement, and risk more body input on the gun, possible moving your sights off target......it's a mess, it's just a mess, really.
Many beginners will double fire if they dont pin because the are trying to let go of the trigger while the gun is still recoiling, which can sometimes make your finger bounce onto the trigger again. For a beginner, I recommend they pin and then after they become more advanced, caerfully practice letting the trigger go under recoil in order to save time and shorten your split times.
100% agree. Pinning a trigger may even lead to unexpected double shots if you have short reset and a little bit tired or distracted. Guess how I learned that :)
You're mixing terms, but they're mixed in the video too. Pinning in this video is only referring to pinning rearward and following up with feeling for reset. These guys are saying carelessly rush out and back to the wall to the next break, which will cause as many if not far more when someone is tired or distracted.
In my experience, there are some methods in dry fire that are helpful for breaking this habit (or not developing it in the first place!). "Tapping" a dead striker-fired trigger aggressively is one of the most time-tested ways to do it, and it's something that shooters like Vogel and Stoeger still recommend. Training with a SIRT pistol is really helpful as well. I've also found that the DryFireMag is helpful. It has a very audible "clicking" sound for both the trigger pull and the reset. Happy shooting!
Thank you for posting this!! So many teach this nonsense. We see it with RU-vidrs all the time who fancy themselves as instructors or gunfighters. They do it with handguns and long guns. I’m embarrassed for them.
I agree with the message here but I think it's better to differentiate between pinning the trigger and riding the reset. Pinning may be part of riding but riding isn't the only reason to pin. Pinning helps some shooters with slow fire precision followed by just letting the trigger out normally. It's not necessary but many people find it mentally helpful. It's common in precision rifle shooting for a reason. I won't do it during a bill drill but if I'm shooting a 200y gong with my carry gun offhand, I might. I don't see any reason to ride the reset ever though. Just my opinion though. I'm not claiming to be an expert.
You should be resetting the trigger while the pistol is recoiling so when your sights or optic are back on target you are ready to fire the pistol again if needed. This not only speeds up your shooting but also allows you to be more accurate while shooting at speed.
Good explanation. It’s important to differentiate proper follow-through with pinning the trigger. Like everything else, it takes a lot of practice to follow through without pinning.
If they’re talking about competition shooting, ok. I’m not a competitive shooter so I’ll take their word about split times. But I’m not a competitive shooter, so I’ll keep that trigger pinned like how I’ve trained for 20 years.
Ive been telling a lot shooters to avoid pinning the trigger. Its a bad habit that people learn from others. JJ Racaza has taught to get off the trigger as soon as the gun goes bang and ride up to the wall ready for your next shot.
So before all these tacticool guys. That was called follow through on your shot. All you kids spray and pray rounds down range just cause you hear the ping of the steel doesnt mean your driving tacks. Work on the fundamentals then speed will come.
You know guys, you can do two things at once. You're assessing what's happening down range as the trigger resets. Just hammering away at the trigger may be fine in competition where you know the course of fire. It's not the best idea in a use of force situation. Also, pinning the trigger is used for accurate fire at distance, not at 7 yards.
This applies more to modern striker-fired pistols. On some older DA/SA designs, the subsequent single-action shots have a very crisp trigger and no discernible "wall," but a lot of what they used to call "slack." Having to pull the trigger to eliminate that slack would result in either jerking the trigger or slowing down to realign the sight picture. Not saying there's a right or wrong way, but I suspect the whole "feeling for the reset" thing derived from the time law enforcement was training almost exclusively with DA/SA pistols.
We taught that in the late 80’s, early 90’s to get people out of the habit of just fully releasing the trigger and then yanking all the way thru for the second ( or subsequent) shots).
That PX4 RDO plate has the rear sight in front of the optic. Is this planned as an option in the near future? I wanted to get the DDP plate, but the rear sight would not fit.
Many of the best shooters in the world have "jumped off the trigger" ....Many of the older combat shooters also very forcefully pull the trigger to the rear while their grip controls the pistol.
@@josipbroz3866 That's not the point, ds. This video by LTT panic claims /pinning is the worst thing ever do and is gonna get you killed if you ever do it./ The entire practice of pinning has never, ever been taught by someone with the intent of it being done for every trigger pull in every condition. Yet that's how DFs will talk about it. It's one of several learning tools that can be used wrong. Same argument is made downies about never using a manual safety, on pistol or rifle, because they're too absent minded to know if the safety somehow sneaks itself back on and suddenly can't be turned off when they need to fire. It's just the dumbest common denominator in your circle.
I was taught to pin the trigger years ago at the first pistol class I took. I no longer do that, because I naturally developed an "anticipatory reset" before I ever heard that cool term. The argument that you will automatically fire the next shot when you reset the trigger is one that I've only heard in recent years and it's a very odd one to me. Back when I pinned the trigger, I never did that, nor did I know anyone else who did. I'm on board with the argument about it being slower, but I wonder where the "I have to press the trigger as soon as it's reset" argument came from?
Pinning rearward and feeling for reset was taught for years to break the general behavior of slapping the f out of the trigger and adding flinch to compensate. Pretty much the only cases whatsoever where feeling for reset will cause a shot is when someone fails bad ame does a hack job of swapping parts in their glock.... maybe lots of Langdon Tactical builds have the same issue, which could explain why they'd be preaching this.
@@EtherFox Interesting. I'll have to start paying attention to people's guns who make this argument to see if "upgraded" triggers are a constant theme.
@@EtherFox Was it taught for that reason tho? I see most people who pin, end up just yankin that trigger, since they've wasted their time up to that point, and now must make two separate movements forward, and rearward. Your comment seems to be based on nothing but bias toward the way you do it, and your unwillingness to learn the faster, and more efficient technique.
Totally agree. You see some of these RU-vid gurus doing this and you just know there are people out that see this and think it’s the right thing to do. If you’re not immediately releasing/resetting the trigger and repreping (taking up any trigger slack and getting back on the wall) for the next shot/sight picture, you’re slow and wrong.
For vets, this probably stems from “follow through” being hammered into their heads while learning to shoot an M-16. They essentially train recruits to pin the trigger and feel for the reset, just as they explained in this video. Very hard habit to break.
@@woodystube1000 Thanks, but what's the point of it? Can't you follow through without pinning the trigger? Or is the point to be aware of where the reset is so you don't slap the trigger?
@@Philmoscowitz the latter. New shooters tend to immediately let go of the trigger completely when the rifle goes bang. Follow through is important for proper and consistent trigger pulls, and helps new shooters better manage recoil. The more difficult thing to teach is doing this without pinning the trigger between shots. One step at a time, one broken habit at a time.
To me the best way of explaining it is similar to manually cocking the hammer of a double action revolver, the short trigger pull. When you shoot from reset you only have to pull the trigger a much shorter distance and to me it is much more accurate for longer shots, it is not intended for obviously quick shooting drills.
@@bobwhite4671 Well said. This is why we were taught to "shoot from the reset" with the M-16 for accuracy and consistency. Speed was not the goal, per se. I get what they are saying in this video, and they have a point with the safety aspect. It is important to understand, however, that they are coming from the speed/competition angle.
😂😂😂😂it’s not all about split times and competition. It’s a foundational level of training. It’s not unsafe. So tired of competition shooters thinking they know about combat
@@brianschor3832 you're just one dumb guy learning from other dumb guys, truth be told. If you can't keep up and need things pared down to 2, 3 rules max, that's fine, I can respect that, but saying something is dumb because you're too stupid to understand it is just your blissful ignorance.
When my buddy was doing that, I kept thinking the gun was malfunctioning since I'd hear that click long after the shot. I wasn't sure what he was doing. Now, I have the issue of explaining this to a stubborn friend.
