Protect Your Income: The Truth for Self-Employed Workers

Phil Beckwith The Professional Painter & Decorator

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Earning money as a self-employed individual or sole trader requires a clear understanding of your rates and financial situation. Knowing how much you're earning per hour is essential, considering the hard work you put in daily and over the year.
Taking the time to assess your finances can significantly impact your business's success. By analyzing your earnings, you can identify areas for improvement and increase your income.
Though it might be a sensitive topic, approaching it seriously and objectively-sitting down with a pen and paper to do the calculations-can provide valuable insights for making informed decisions and ensuring your business thrives.
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@daveh1081 2 года назад

Phil.........the scales have fallen from my eyes! I'd be the first to admit, sometimes I've been a busy fool but I've tried to address this recently......Absolutely sobering stuff! Best vlog yet mate! It felt like you were referring to me at the beginning......and you'd have been right to!! I'm working hard to generate a more realistic income because it helps no one when you charge peanuts. Cheers bruv......first class!! Yorkshire Dave👍👍

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

cheers, no not you.. I'd of said Dave H. ;)

@daveh1081 2 года назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Ha ha........I wouldn't have been offended bruv! Thanks for taking the trouble to point out what we should all know.......sometimes you really need someone to tell you straight!! 👍👍

@jasoneyre3424 Год назад

I’m in PnD 20yrs, self employed 5yrs. My wife does the books and sets my day rate. I used to think I wasn’t worth more than £100 a day. Thanks to her I’m now on £180 a day. I’m booked up on average at least 6mths in advance. We do open estimates Not quotes. All materials are on top. Most of my clients (80%) ask me back again and again. My self esteem and confidence is much better. The quality of my work is much higher. I interview potential clients just as much as they do me, and yes I turn down work if I don’t like the clients. PLEASE EVERY TRADES PERSON HAVE RESPECT FOR YOURSELF, YOUR WORK. IF WE ALL DO THAT WE CAN PUT THE PRISE UP TO £200!!!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

thanks for commenting Jason. You need now to move away from estimates and the day rate... QUOTE for the job done.. not the time taken. Give a WHOLE price for the job... materials and labour altogether. You need to be making money on materials as well as on the job. If you went to see a job and you think it's about 10 days work.. you'd be on your estimate £1800 + materials? If I said you quote he same job with M&L at £2300 and you then finished after 8 days as you work slick and efficiently... the customer has accepted the £2300 and that's the price for the job they pay. With your estimate of £1800 and saying it's going to take ten days... by law you have estimated so would then charge only 8 days. Or.. if you took longer you can also charge more. It works both ways on estimates... but how do you think a customer would react to you saying you want 5 days more pay??? Have a think ;)

@Lloyd1885 Год назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator good advice

@twotanks6427 Год назад

This is probably the best video for sole traders on RU-vid. Our skills, experience and time are worth paying for and we rob ourselves when we dont charge enough. I've done many a job resenting it as i worked because i didnt price it properly. On the other hand, when you price correctly, you can concentrate on doing the job rather than worrying about working for a pittance.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Please spread the word ;) And your words are so true about people who don't price enough, then fret about doing the job and rush

@OFFICIAL_DSR 2 года назад

You are a really good bloke I can imagine people love working with/for you and have you working for them just straight to the point and honest and open to be told hang on a minute your wrong mate, fair play man

@kenneb04 Год назад

I’ve been saying this for years and as an ex painter & decorator you’re 100% correct, the average cost of materials equates to around 10-20% of the overall price of the job.. Now I’m on the other side of the business and have worked for both Dulux & Crown and the amount of fellow painters moan about the price of materials given that the investment that goes into manufacturing of materials is going up and up with raw materials etc. yet everyone wants to buy the cheapest materials available… If the products you buy take more than 2 coats this effects the profit on Labour charges and time spent as you spend more time putting another coat on. It’s the old saying “you get what you pay for” - yes there are cheaper products from the likes of the sheds etc. but AGAIN if you have to put additional coats on it cost the applier more money in time and time is money.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

If you allow for those extra coats in the cost of the job.. I can't see it's an issue if the spec says what you are doing. Where the issue comes is with the customer who only wants a cheap price...........and they aren't comparing like4like on a quote .......... thankfully I don't work for those types of customer.

@eezy251able 22 дня назад

90% of jobs are a minimum of 2 coats. I just try and avoid working for landlords etc who want it done for nothing.

@candiceirving3536 Год назад

Great video. The way I look at it is if you are a “professional” and are running your business “effectively” with “specialised equipment” “insurances” “administration” etc then charging 250 - 300 a day isn’t ridiculous. If your are providing the “professional services” including all the administrative parts and are rated highly for those services continuously then then customer will not quibble. Focus on the effective running of your business and give yourself enough breathing space to do so and you should be able to earn those higher rates no problem. All customers/clients want is a professional services start to finish and aftercare. Simples. Thanks Phil…. Good Post!

@first4paintinganddecorating Год назад

Absolutely love your videos Phil. Ive been pricing like this for a while now and may i say I’ve saved more money this year and been able to afford a Mirka and better equipment. Love how you T-total been sober for 4 years now and i believe your business grows with a clear head. Thanks for making honest and professional advice videos. Your truly a proper decci 😎

@stephenevans1833 2 года назад

The only thing I’d have to add is…. Depending on what part of the country you’re in depends a hell of a lot on what you can charge , and also , your clientele . Probably 80percent of mine are retired working class people , so therefore , as much as I want to put my prices up , I’ve got to be very careful, because there’s always some fireman that does is part time job and undercuts you. Sadly , customers sometimes want the cheapest price , not the bestest job!!!. Great vid btw👍👍

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

And this is what I'm getting at. Have you looked at what you actually earn per hour .. taking into account all the costs you need to run you business? Forget competing against the fireman the gardener the cash in hand painter, you shouldn't be reducing your price to be working for the people they will be working for. Unless you are happy running at loss to keep those customers happy?

@philc5513 Год назад

Recently made the jump. Almost 30years self employed. Gone on the books with a local authority. Everything provided, van,pension, flexi time, 25 days holiday, overtime and much less stress.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

thanks for replying.... and how many hours a week are you working now?

@philc5513 Год назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 37 contracted a week, but at least the same again as overtime. More free weekends though.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

winner winner, chicken dinner

@Lloyd1885 Год назад

@@philc5513 and you can forget work til the following morning when you finish each day. Its a great way to wind down your career. And reasonable money, council painters can up to about 28.5k a year where I am, not to be sniffed at...unless you are one of those decorators you fond on the forums who 'need' 80k a year and slag off anyone who prices work for less 🙄

@danielwoolcock7267 Год назад

@@Lloyd1885what part of the country are you from buddy that's a decent salary for no stress 👍🏻

@barrymccann5600 Год назад

I wish I had done this years ago but last 3 years I have increased my rate and nobody bats an eye they just want good quality and that's the customers you want.

@Littlelamb2023 22 дня назад

I often go to Germany (family) when there i do some painting for the in laws and one showed me a painters bill. they charge 45ph. i was gob smacked. I now realise im the idiot. That isn't expensive it's realistic. Thank you for opening my eyes. Its annoying because i knew i was undercharging even at a "fair rate" Thanks Phil

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 18 дней назад

the busy fool?

@Littlelamb2023 17 дней назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator so right! Keep up the good work fella I appreciate the time you put into making these videos to help your fella brothers of the brush 🙌🏽

@christopherdonnelly4218 2 года назад

Great video. I will certainly start to properly assign monthly running cost . this is something I’ve been over looking and will have been massively impacting my take home wage. Thanks for highlighting something many small businesses would have over looked

@timwylie1 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for that Phil it's made me see things in a new light, been self employed now for 6+ years and was considering throwing it down but I like the flexibility and running my own ship. I'll need to watch this a few times for it all to sink in to my memory but it's given me the confidence moving forward to increase my prices to form a more reasonable business model. Anyway off now to do the self assessment form (paper based) before it's late - oh the joys!!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 10 месяцев назад

Glad it's helped.... Btw... £500 on an account doing your SA... Could save you that cost too.. plus it's an expense you can off set

@Stefanisnotavailable 6 месяцев назад

Great video Phil, really appreciate all the time and effort you put in your videos and you’ve taught me loads. Sincerest thanks. Went at it alone this year after being a subby for about 6 years now. Scary stuff

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 6 месяцев назад

Hopefully this video is an eye opener into hours, time and money?

@marlonbromfield2558 Год назад

Bang on mate, shocking for many sole traders. Low pensions, crap retirement plans.👏👏👏

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

more need to sit down and do the basic sums and see what they are coming away with. they may be shocked.

@DavidBeechfieldBrownArt 28 дней назад

This video literally changed my life, thank you so much

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 28 дней назад

I hope in a better way?? ;) How did it help you?

@michaelcordingley8982 Год назад

Great video, guilty as charged your honour. As a handyman who mostly does painting and decorating, I can add to that the ridiculous amount of time spent watching RU-vid videos about how to do things properly. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve told someone they could get someone who’s day to day job it is to do it in half the time, if you take pride in your work it ain’t easy. Quoting is best, but tricky when you don’t have the experience. (Cowboy) Hats off for posting this, eye opener for sure.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

cheers, it's there to get people thinking and realising they may be false accounting or undercharging ;) thanks for commenting too

@michaelcordingley8982 Год назад

False accounting for sure. It’s like you’re convincing yourself you’re making more money than you are, then wonder why you’re skint. Working for “yourself” is great, but you have to deal with a new boss every week, and you don’t switch off. I do owe a debt of gratitude to RU-vid creators and educators when I moved to the middle of nowhere with no employment opportunities, so Bravo lla. *edit. Why no has mentioned you’re the Ricky Garvais of P&D is baffling to me. @@ProfessionalPainterDecorator

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Ricky who? Yes, its; all basic maths, what goes in.. and goes out and whats left is yours after the tax man's been at it. It is the question of how anyone thinks £120 a day is good (£15ph on 8hrs) when you need to take of running cost. Also the hours/days you work come into it. No good saying working a 5hrs day suits.. well it does..but unless you're charging the extra money to cover your 'no working hours' you're missing out on extra earnings. Work hard, play hard and and work smarter not harder. There should be no need to be working all hours

@michaelcordingley8982 Год назад

Jervis? Spot on. You can get stuck in a bad rut, it’s hard to see the bigger picture when you’re chasing your tail. Nothing upsetting.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

him on Extras?

@martingower7421 Год назад

Hi Phil. Thank you so much for this it was for a very enlightening, video. My problem is that I have been going back to customers for 30 years. And they don't understand why 20 years ago the price was so much more.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

It was more 20yrs ago? It's basic maths and a lot don't want to admit they're not charging enough and false accounting there figures.

@beijaflor1492 2 года назад

👏👏telling it as it TRULY & SINCERELY ought to be👏👏

@stewartralston8677 2 года назад

Phill, so true, however my figures are about £12.50 for min wage, with holidays and pension at 3% and employers NI. Then, correctly you’ve op’s costs. For me, £142 is about BEP and it’s been a few years since I’ve worked for less than that, however you forget to include the Utility from job satisfaction, which is almost immeasurable. I’ve career changed, used to earn a good wage with perks, and please don’t get me wrong, struggled to start of with. I’m now, fortuitous enough to have developed a good customer base and reputation, so now I’m in a position to price make, rather than price take. I’m putting myself through qualifications, as you’ve stated, it affords credibility and you command a bit more! Not winning every job but finally striking the work life balance. Booked up to next year, with a mix. It’s not always about price, but it’s not a race to the bottom and you’ve got to cover costs and enjoy life too and you’ll be surprised how many people out there are prepared to pay for quality. Keep the aspidistra flying!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Have you looked at what hours you work.. how many days you work... how much time you have off? Are you doing the 223 day.. 8hrs a day Like discussed in the video? 1784 hours to earn £20K.... or £30k.. or 40 - 50. Running cost need to be looked at, last thing you want to be doing is offsetting them from what youre wanting to be earning. It hitting that balance isn't it.

@jased9513 Год назад

top bloke Phil put it into perspective for me! best youtube vid on here by a country mile this, very educational A++++

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

simple when it's explained? like and share.. and share some more ;)

@marcinwojcik4550 8 месяцев назад

Thank you Phil for that full of priceless information video. Great advice of how to start another 2024 year much more motivated and determined self employed decorator as myself!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 8 месяцев назад

Tnx... It's just to make you think it through more

@Butlins14 Год назад

Love the trilby

@markmccarthy456 2 года назад

Very sobering stuff Phil and something I’ve been guilty of over the years is burying my head in the sand and just been happy to have work to go to. Definitely food for thought. Another great video thanks 😃👍🏻

@user-vw1jv8ef7b 2 года назад

A big one missing off the running costs list (especially at the moment) is fuel costs. Great video Phil 👍🏼

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Theyre not on this list as I've mentioned materials and things relating to the job would be allowed for in the quote. But there's things like van servicing you need to allocate in running costs.

@user-vw1jv8ef7b 2 года назад

I wrote a list of my running costs last night and took the word running as literal (costs that allow me to get to my jobs) so I put fuel on it at x amount a month. But you’re right, most of it should be covered. I forget unless the customer lives a long way away

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@user-vw1jv8ef7b adding some fuel for a month to allow running around for work isn't a bad idea, it give you an extra cost you need to add and cover in those 1784 hrs you'll work in a year...... With weekends off... And all bank holidays and giving you 6 weeks unpaid a year to have down time.

@user-vw1jv8ef7b 2 года назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator they should teach this stuff in college, thanks for the vid mate

@Papa_George1 2 года назад

Very interesting video Phil not only for anyone who works for themselves but also from the customers side so they can understand more why a job cost what it does

@cmkerfoot Год назад

Interesting video Phil 👍🏻. Always amazed how many tradespeople I speak to (mainly decorators) that dont know their burn rate. I strongly believe it should be part of the modules taught at colleges/academy along with the trade. Basically not how to do “the business”, but also how to run “your business”.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Totally agree. It's all basic maths... Ashame many don't do the college thing anymore. Often our trade is looked at as earning easy money for doing very little, or easy work... Anyone can paint. :(

@squeen8 2 года назад

Brilliant Phil ,I was one of the few who was taught most of this in the early days ,I have preached know your costs before lifting that Joe Loss brush before you start.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Absolutely

@RickyHudson-cj4un 8 месяцев назад

People don’t believe me when I say this, since last year (inverted commas) I mean 2022 I’ve earnt on average £300 a day when I’m on price I don’t stop a 2 bed flat at £1500 I’ll piss in a week, a 3 bed house at £3300 I’ll piss in 10 days

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 8 месяцев назад

and theres those who'll say to a customer they'll work fir £150 a day + customer buys material! crazy. hobby or business??

@Littlelamb2023 22 дня назад

This is why not many people employ people anymore. They want good money and you can't charge enough to cover them. especially when they don't pull their weight!

@richardloze5994 2 года назад

this is a great video. hence why I'm watching it again and working out sums and figures. and thinking at the age 46 it a hard slog at times. more money less hours worked. more time with the missus. id like to ask to you increase your income by making money on materials or do you pass it on, now paint is so expensive , there's only so much you charge for a room when you add up the material's cost these days

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Charge out materials at RRP/over the counter prices. But you want to be buying at tye cheapest trade price you can, so you make money on the different. Like you get 20% off some wallpaper etc. You don't give your discount to the customer. And.... Work on only 223 days a year you're working. Then you have all weekends off and 6 weeks holiday. The hourly rate you'll work out on, will cover you for the time not working. Do you want 20, 30, 40, 50k+ a year

@jospend Год назад

Great video Phil you have certainly spelled it out to some of us fellow tradesmen!! but many thanks its great food for thought! as we all sometimes burying our minds in work and getting it, without thinking on a bit. many thanks phil such an eye opener!!! as painting and decorating is such an underrated trade these days by some punters sadly!!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Cheers. Trying to put it down in simple terms... Does it make sense to be easy understood to you/others?

@jospend Год назад

cheers Phil for your reply! as to your question how you explained it made perfect sence to me ! dont think you could have explained it any better to be honest!!

@grantben2499 2 года назад

Great video as always phil, a master of your trade & a master of valuable information. enjoy watching your videos. Keep it up!!👏👏

@clivedewhirst Год назад

the mighty phil,perfectly said.just subsribed a few days ago love the channel young chap.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Welcome aboard! Like and Share, Like & Share :)

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Much appreciated too. I am here to help :D

@hamiltonlowry1018 Год назад

Thanks Phil Whow I learned so much from this video Your right it’s food for thought

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Thanks. And as we think it through.. it's all basic maths.

@markwren2167 2 года назад

Great video Phil, thanks for taking the time to put this together and put it out, definitely food for thought. Much appreciated Mark Wren Painter and decorator Reading.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

It is isn't it. Just alter your figures to suit your business expenses and see what it's costing over the year, then work that in to the hour's you're working over the year to cover that expense.

@rogerbell123 2 года назад

Another food and very interesting video and a good guide , the amount of tradesmen out there chasing there tails with loads of work on and not realising they aren’t making money is incredible and to be fair at certain times we have all been there, one of the problems is being led by what we perceive as the going rate in the area ie Bill Smith round the corner is charging £15 ph so I have to charge the same to be competitive this is how we get onto the race to the bottom when what we should be doing is working out our rates as you have stated and joining the race to the top and earning what we deserve and warrant. One of the most important things is to target the customers who are prepared to pay the right price for the right job and weed out the chancers who don’t.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

You've hit the nail on the head. Again... People don't know what actual PAYE rates are, if they did (like I've shown) they may be shocked and put up their rates/cost.

@jackwardley3626 Год назад

i hate when you get all exterior work in winter and autumn then summer and springs comes and get around dozen 5 beds to do

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

I hear ya. Tell them you don't start outsides till spring ;)

@Butlins14 Год назад

Is there a Phil Beckwithaholics anonymous number to ring can't stop watching these videos 🤣

@miker8149 2 года назад

Also thinking about the % of the 223 potential workdays. As self employed you prob wont be working all 223 days, so in theory, you may only have let's say 80% time working days, which then takes you down to 178 workable days eeeek!! great informative vid many thanks

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Possibly Mike. The 223 working days has allowed for you not working 6 weeks (30days) Not working any weekends. Or any public holidays. So, the 223 days are the ones you base your money on.... 8 hrs a day has given you the 1784 hrs to charge for. Work from that and it give you tye figures to work from.

@chrisbelding7412 2 года назад

great video phil! more trades need to think about their work as a business and not a job it would drive up prices and the trades as a whole! also id enjoy a property video! thanks for the content!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Very true. Please share share share, let's make them think a bit more.

@richardmcdougall233 2 года назад

Customers you have worked for for years are not really friends.. a very very few possibly. Maybe need to keep that in mind when charging. A merchant said to me once it's pointless charge painters a crazy cheap deal say £10 for a bucket cheap contact matt because the jump to £10 to £13/£14 is impossible to make so pointless even trying. The same argument applies for Labour.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

pay peanuts.......

@adammac4960 Год назад

Sometimes tho you need to build up a business and experience before charging big bucks. A four year painter will find it hard to charge the same prices as a 30 year painter.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

The basics are still there... For hours you can work and what you want to be earning. The video is to make people think and look at what they charge, how they come to that figure and then make them think of the business running costs they need to also cover in their charge out rate. If your working 6 days a week and take no time off and are just breaking even.... You're doing something wrong. Hopefully the video gets people thinking.

@adammac4960 Год назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator it’s got me thinking 😂😂. You are right tho pal. Defo. Just saying I understand why certain people don’t charge as much and I think a lot of it is down to confidence but that builds through experience. But your right painters need to appreciate themselves a lot more because the amount of crap we sort out from other trades is mental.

@PaulJacksonOttawa Год назад

Great video Phil. Thanks again very much

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it. has it helped?

@eezy251able 22 дня назад

The problem with painting is generally most people can do it, and of course this doesn't mean they know what the are doing and the final job will look brilliant. I personally think if you're charging more than £200.00 a day outside of London here in 2024 you sure as hell better be doing the most professional jobs and making it worthwhile.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 18 дней назад

what do you charge a day?

@eezy251able 18 дней назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Good question. Generally I quote jobs. However larger jobs I generally charge £200.00 day rate.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 18 дней назад

@@eezy251able PAYE for qualified staff pay is over £15ph now That's with holidays/sick etc etc. And no business running costs, or business stress. Do you think £200 for you is enough?

@eezy251able 18 дней назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator like I said I generally quote jobs so it can vary? End of the day I've always found not to be greedy and have a steady income. There's always someone cheaper and someone more expensive. For example A decent chippy around here in Wiltshire is about £250 (ish) a day and is a far more skilled job than a painter. Not to mention the amount of tools they have and the cost to get them etc. So around £200 a day for a painter is reasonable. (£25-30 an hour)

@philc5513 Год назад

Really good insightful video.

@nataliehayden8330 Год назад

A great video. As others has said should teach this as part of c&g P&D. I have just done level 1 & 2. As you mentioned Phil for me as a 48 years old lady advertised jobs want 3-5 years experience, which i dont have. An apprentice wage is not enough to pay my bills, so setting up to work for myself. Quoting is tough because i dont know how long tasks are going to take and as i am new how much a day to charge. Jobs would take longer for me so would charge more days than someone whos been doing it for years. So will out price myself? I have done a few jobs and customers are happy with the work iv done and do enjoy it. Maybe others are in the same situation as me. Any advice would be much appreciated 😊 I will keep watching the videos phil ❤

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Morning.. thanks. A 'normal' room... Just look at it and think... How long to prep the room How long will one coat for the ceiling take. How long will the walls take.. What will I get done in a day for the woodwork. Add your times/hours up like that. That's your starting point.

@RBC0405 6 месяцев назад

And what ways are there to get thr work? Do business cards, the yellow pages, the phone book still have their place? Or is social media the best way? Thanks in advance.@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator

@beijaflor1492 2 года назад

...thank you!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Welcome!

@markchambers9415 Год назад

brilliant phil,well done.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Thanks... Like and share, more ppl need to do the maths and improve the rates for skilled workers offering services like Decorating. It's not a race to the bottom. :D

@brianrichards4841 Год назад

Excellent video 🙏

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Thank you

@jsj381 2 года назад

Good stuff mucker its about time we all take at least 4 holidays a year.

@juddrolfe 2 года назад

Another great topic 👍🏻

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@derekshepherd6993 2 года назад

I'd like to see more like this thank you for sharing .

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Will do!

@marcburvill6669 Год назад

On the brushes.......reminds me of Reg Varney

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

The guy who sells cars?

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Or is that Vardy?

@timothyosullivan6079 Год назад

great video. thanks Phil!!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Glad you liked it!

@geoffreymeare3406 2 года назад

Hi Phil.......Can I ask you a question Why is your old chap still working ? Is it for the money ? Or going to work gives him something to get up for, keeps him fit and happy? If you charge £120 per day and its keeping you fit and happy surely that's the main thing in life.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

He loves work. Brian who works for us since starting at the age of 15 in 1966.. is 71 now. still does 36hrs a week! £120 a day is fine.. but it's not fine if you are only seeing £80 a day after taking running costs off... (which also takes into account all the days you won't earn). Remember.. 223 days to work.... and only 1784 hrs to earn your money.

@geoffreymeare3406 2 года назад

Your Dad loves his work ..........that's the point I'm making ......its not all about the money and what you should be making. If you paint a room at say 3 days × 180 + paint( 80 ) =600 for 1 room.Thats a big sum of money for most people to pay. Being more realistic in what you charge works well with me. eg. External job 7 days at 120 +230 paint =1070.I work extra hours each day (the (weather's nice and I'm getting a tan 😀) I complete in 5 days , customer's happy he knows the price is good,gives me an extra £50. I' ve ordered paint at the cheapest I could find online but charge say B & Q price (profit 50 ) £940 profit for my weeks work I'm happy,customer's delighted. Next door neighbour see's me as happy chap working hard so I book him in at a later date.Does'nt ask for a price even. I tell him I will contact him around 6 weeks when we get another spell of good weather. Need to keep the tan topped up😀😉

@davidsmalley8783 2 года назад

Don’t forget VAT That will kill it

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

oh I didn't even want to mention that.. but as a sole trader/one man band, I doubt many will see a £85K+ turn over unless they start employing someone. But again... VAT won't effect your 'wage' or what you want to earn, or your running costs.. as you'll be adding it to your customers quote/bill. Being VAT registered does have it's perks. But lets face it, if you are putting VAT on you bill, Mr and Mrs Looking For teh Cheapest prices, won't be having you over the gardener who'll be cash in hand. On the plus side, bigger jobs with companies, they won't worry about the VAT as they'll claim it back anyway. So being VAT registered can help you get those types of jobs.

@davidsmalley8783 2 года назад

You seem to do predominantly private work which is fair enough I stick to new / commercial which is not effected by VAT On the odd occasion I do a private job or quote for one vat kills it hence me not chasing it £48 an hour inc vat is a hell of a lot for joe blogs to pay plus materials with mark up etc etc Not enough wealthy clients in my area

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@davidsmalley8783 running costs still effect you. Work out those, and work out what hours you work.... What are you coming a way with an hour. No matter where you live, who you work for the principal is still the same.

@davidsmalley8783 2 года назад

Just saying there is only so much you can charge and keep your men in work I have vans ladders scaffold sprayers etc all the equipment required but there is a limit to prices .you can’t make good money on everything , sometimes you have to take a hit to keep lads on

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@davidsmalley8783 but you don't want to find out you'd be better off financially and work life balance is better by doing a min wage job.

@damiencunliffe 2 года назад

Phil can you do a video on 2k paints??? I have looked into the safety of using 2k online and spoken to quite a few people about it and it seems to be that only air fed mask can protect you from breathing in isocyantes contained within 2k product. I see people on FB spraying this stuff all the time with regular mask and even without masks. Im not even sure if its actually legal to use outside of a spray booth yet hundreds of small companies are using it on kitchens and upvc. Young lads being trained up to spray with it and probably no idea on health risk? I know its used for fast drying times and extra durabillity but can we use it safely? Seems a bit of a grey area to me and the people spraying the stuff either dont care or dont know and also dont really want to talk about it due to the legallities.......

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

I wouldn't spray it in a house. It's geared for industrial use with proper air or water filter spray booths. For the general decorator there's no need to use it. You're correct about masks! Once again.. FB with the blind leading the blind.

@jsj381 2 года назад

Can you do a vid on health and the body wear and tear over the years of decorating and the best way to keep ya self going and staying alive long enough to retire at the top to see that pension roll in.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

The last person to work miracles they put on a cross!! I can see nly do vids on what I know the answers to lol Yours make a valuable comment though. ;)

@user-cx2wk2ob4b Год назад

So true for all us sole traders. I’m a fine artist and it becomes even more complicated. Doing up our home and loving your videos, thanks for the info - started on w/b satinwoods, ended up here lol

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Thanks. It's why I'm here ;) please watch more. Did you like the RUSTY Wall Effect video from last week?

@user-cx2wk2ob4b 11 месяцев назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I've watched most of it, yes, it looks great! Keep up the great work, thanks

@Shortboxing47 2 года назад

Hi phill hope you’ve been keeping well mate! I’ve been doing quite well with my hvlp spraying but I’ve had a slight issue lately my hvlp cup keeps leaking? Like the pressure keeps pushing paint through under the cup lid any idea mate? Thanks

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Have a look at the seal under the lid... What condition is it. Clean it, with meths and see if it makes a better seal. All good here thank you ;)

@TheSmithyt Год назад

Morning Phil , what a video , wish this was about 30 years ago 😂I’m 57 working like I’m 27 , not any more , Thankyou !!!

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

You can do it! lol it's only basic stuff though, ppl need to sit down and think :)

@craigwestern8889 2 года назад

👍👍👍Munro Decorators

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

where are they based?

@craigwestern8889 2 года назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Northamptonshire 👍

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@craigwestern8889 Shoe capital of the world. Share the vid ;)

@beecee6850 2 года назад

Work flat out 6 days a week if you've got the work to compensate for lean times

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

Are you working more or less than the hours I use as an example in tye vid? Which takes out weekends.. b/holidays and 6 weeks down time? So the hours worked should financial cover the non working times.

@beecee6850 2 года назад

Lot more hours than you mentioned Phil, I'm a one man band, must be affecting my health at 52 but like to semi retire at 60 😝

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@beecee6850 1784 working hrs a year at £22.24ph... will see you £40k

@jackwardley3626 Год назад

marketing £300-600 a month

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

a few may have that. good to mention. how do your figures now look Jack?

@tonyokeefe5622 2 года назад

Great video mate out of interest I'm 11 years sober why is it you don't drink 🤔

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

That's great to here. I can say I'm 45 yrs sobber now then. I drank half a bottle of sherry at the age of THREE... thought it was Coke.. drinking out a tall tumbler glass, behind the swivel chair (remember those in the 70s?) I remember it like yesterday.... drunk as a rat.. sick as a dog after the Doctor said give hmi some milk to be sick, he'll be fine in the morning, just a bad head! In the days you could ring your doctor and not be referred to social services. Never drank since. I'm a cheap date and always the driver ;)

@tonyokeefe5622 2 года назад

Thanks for your reply phill glad your experience was enough for yourself not to drink my dad was a heavy drinker and back in the day we had to pick up our money from the pub on a Friday say no more lol 😀 . Keep the great videos coming

@chrisdowning7543 Год назад

Thank you ever so much for this. Do you have a private email I can have for you? Thanks Chris

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Hi Chris... Pm me via FB or Instagram is easiest for now.

@beecee6850 2 года назад

Won't get out of bed for less than £1000 for 40 hour week, not including fuel van tools etc, that's for high class decor, more with spraying

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

And yet you still watch some of the video lol

@jsj381 2 года назад

Charge more mate I only work 15 days, a month the rest is admin and pricing.

@beecee6850 2 года назад

If your clever sign on the dole or sick and work for cash

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@beecee6850 can't get a mortgage or a car loan on that though. And there's only so many pairs of Nike trainers and tracksuits one needs lol

@jsj381 2 года назад

@@beecee6850 My brother has done that for years now he has to pay it all back no point cheating ya self is there.

@Butlins14 Год назад

Why don't you drink Phil?

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Год назад

Don't like it

@shokdj1 2 года назад

£120 you can get way more than that if I'm working for another company lol

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

have you watched all the way through yet Darren?

@shokdj1 2 года назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'm about a 3rd of the way through arm very interesting things to bare in mind

@shokdj1 2 года назад

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yeah, I stated at £150 per day I had to change that quickly wasn't anywhere near enough. I get a lot fewer customers which makes sense because I'm not someone who smashes out a room in a day and goes “that'll be £250 please” so my prices can get quite high but I think in the long run I'll get the right customers that want a decent job doing. Also I only have NVQ level 2 I'm not sure what that's worth I've always been a subby since college.

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 2 года назад

@@shokdj1 you have to charge enough to cover what you need, your not their to suite what people want to pay... Cheap. Have a look at the PAYE scales of pay and holiday allowance.