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I agree. It would be nice if meta would release an update that would give us the option to charge the headset to only 80%. Most phones have that feature. That way, you can leave the battery pack connected while you use the headset without worrying about over changing it.
Great advice! The way it was explained to me years ago was, batteries are like balloons, inasmuch as 100% charge is the same as filling a balloon to maximum capacity, just below popping; and zero percent charge is similar to putting a balloon in a vacuum, inasmuch as with no atmospheric pressure, the suspended gases in the structure of the balloon “off gas”, weakening the molecular structure of the balloon. The same voltage thing happens to a battery when it’s in a “voltage vacuum” (zero percent). But if you only fill a balloon to a comfortable 80% and let it deflate only to standard atmospheric pressure (40% pressure), you’ll get way more inflate, and deflate cycles on the balloon.
@@DiscoVRTetiana wish I could take credit for it, but I’m 99% sure I either read that analogy in either AC Fundamentals or DC Fundamentals; that or one of my instructors said it. College had been +20 years ago, so can’t remember for sure.
There is still some misconception for almost all lithium battery devices nowadays: One your device is showing 0% battery level, it's in reality inside the lithium battery still 20% of charge, because the charging electronics inside the device (BMS=Battery Management System) take care of it.. It's like the tare function on a scale, it's scaled on the devices.. Therefor you usually never need to worry about discharging to 0%
As Doc Brown would put it: “Great Scott! When a device shows 0% battery, the voltage is still around 3.2 volts! There’s still a little energy between the state of deep discharge which is below 2.5V, but it’s not used to avoid battery damage. A typical phone battery with 3000 mAh at 0% still has about 5% left, around 150 mAh! Marty, you should charge it at 20% to prolong its lifespan, and don’t leave it fully charged for too long because it shortens the lifespan!“
@@netshaman9918 BMS can only do so much. Even fancy EVs that use NMC chemistry say not to charge past 80 on a regular basis and don’t discharge under 20. I have a Kia ev6 and that’s what I’ve been doing unless I go on long road trips and I have 0 degradation on the battery after 40,000 miles. And that bms is way more advance with active cooling and heating than a quest 3 bms.
While this is all true, IMO it's more trouble than it's worth. In my experience, by the time it really starts to degrade significantly you're ready for a new headset anyway. And even if it does degrade, as you said there are headstrap batteries, battery banks, etc, so just use these to keep it going when you're battery life degrades too much. I dunno. There's probably some value in doing all this stuff if you're on a shoestring budget, you want your Quest to last 4+ years, and even buying a battery bank would stress you out. Other than that though, I think the Nuisance of having to always be worrying about this stuff outweighs the benefits. I just leave mine on the charger, always have it connected to my headstrap battery, and when the headstrap battery degrades I'll just replace the headstrap. Just my own personal opinion, ymmv
This is why I don't mind displayport-tethered headsets, like my Reverb G2. I also really like that the controllers use normal AA batteries. No issue finding replacement batteries in the long run. I was looking forward using this headsets for a decade or perhaps even more. Unfortunately Microsoft didn't feel the same as they discontinued support for WMR in Windows 11. Now I put my hopes in the community instead! Why can't we have nice things that last anymore!?
The responsibility is shifted to the consumers to take better care of their devices, and I'm assuming corporations benefit if consumers buy new products rather than fix old ones 💁♀️ and oh well, with QUests coming up with new headsets every 1-2 years, users may just upgrade instead!
@@DiscoVRTetiana yeah, that's definitely the model companies go by these days; disposable tech... It's a real shame to be honest. Especially since meta don't earn money from the headsets themselves... This video however is much needed to keep those headsets lasting longer!
I could never go back to those god-awful Reverb G2 xmas tree controllers, they were absolutely crap. The Quest 3 controllers are ring-less, and the tracking is just superior to that G2 rubbish. The G2 had superb image quality, but those controllers were so bad I actually smashed mine against a wall in anger, had to end up getting a pre-owned pair off of eBay.
Same. When playing stuff like Asgards Wrath 2 and AC Nexus, the battery drains so fast that if you want to play for a couple of hours you have to leave it wall plugged. I don't mind i'm used to tethered as i'm a PSVR 2 user as well
The power of power banks is not quite as you say. A power bank can have a power of e.g. 30W, but 3 USB outputs and each output has a power limit of 10W. 10W will not be enough to stop the Quest 3 from discharging. The Quest 3 charges with a maximum voltage of 9V and a current of 2A, which gives 9Vx2A = 18W. Therefore, the power bank must support PD (Power Delivery) and offer more than 18W at the output for a single USB port. Each power bank contains such information on the casing. To stop discharging (or at least slow it down significantly) in the Quest 3, about 25-30W is required - there must be a power reserve, because there are no devices with 100% efficiency. I have a 50W power bank, which easily maintains the battery at 75-80% until the power bank discharges.
Excellent video! And of course, worth waiting for. I’m one of those people who play on the Quest 3 with a battery headstrap and then place it in a charger until I’m ready to play again. I’m sure I’m doing damage to the headset by doing this. Just can’t find the time to check the battery and determine if I should charge it or leave it off the charger. But thanks to your hard work I will take the time to preserve my hard-earned Quest 3….thanks again for a great video DiscoVR! ❤️
That is why BMC exists. % values have nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with V and A values. And a proper BMC should negate most of the issues mentioned here. 100% there is a bmc in quest. BMC stands for battery management control and the max and min values of charde/discharge are monitored by it, so the no way you can do some stupid thing like overcharging or deep discharging the battery. If that was not so there would be a lot more house fires related to quest usage AS DAMAGED BATTERIES START FIRES OR EXPLODE in many cases. The ones in quest are the ones that are the fire explody boomy ones that is why 20-80 % is not true as the dangerous "values are cut off" by BMC so your face will not get damaged by using a headset
You're absolutely correct. The BMC stops charging the battery once the appropriate state of charge of charge has been reached or if temperature threshold as been hit. These batteries will eventually fail no matter what and not all batteries will perform the same. Just enjoy the device while it works and upgrade/repair when needed.
Hi there. You're partially right on this. The way lithium ion batteries do work how you're saying. But it doesn't affect batteries the same way it once did. You're blending some almost urban myths of older batteries mixed with the new. Before the newer generation of tech. And by that. I mean everything after probably the iphone2, samsung galaxy 3. They changed the way chargers charge in order to provide better longevity for Lithium Ion batteries. That's why you're supposed to use the charger meant for whatever device you're using. What they do now as long as the charger is plugged in is let the battery go down just ever slightly, then begins charging automatically again. This is to prevent over saturation of the battery. They've now just come up with solid state batteries that will soon be replacing lithium ion batteries in everything. But we've made large leaps in battery longevity. I've had my note S 22 ultra since it's released and I can still go 2-3 days without charging it. It also depends on the user, and how respondisble they are with their devices.
Gteat video! Just when i thought you were finishing, you list many more great ideas to preserve battery. Even using headphones instead of the speakers help and i never thought about this :)
I've been keeping this up since I bought it, I saw back then that it takes 1 hr and 40 minutes to charge, so 100 minutes, I set a timer for 1 minute for each % and it's been pretty accurate, if it's on 20%, I need exactly an hour to get to 80%
i bought an 20W and the battery didnt discharge so I switched back to the stock 18W so it could still drain slower... If I do it right and when the battery is lower It can charge instead of drain...
@@GTduzIt It depends on many factors. What game you are playing and what state the battery, headset is. Because it might hold charge at 100% easy even with 18W power but start draining with the exact same charger if you plug it at 50% and the headset is hot, already limiting charge speed. And btw, these 'battery saving' techniques show in the video will not help. Quest is designed to brake, and battery will degrade simply from high temperatures while playing and especially charging at the same time too.
Thanks Tetiana for the video. It has more than just basics about charging/discharging. I have Meta Elite Strap (they sent upgrade without request) for Q3 and it does not work as you said. It keeps my Q3 charged 100% until strap battery goes empty, then Q3 battery starts to drop. So I am bit worried about having headset battery 100% long time. After VR session, I put both on charge if Q3 is missing energy. But if it's (almost) full, I charge strap battery only, Q3 cable disconnected. And I keep strap battery disconnected when both have charge enough and it's powered off.
Hallo. You dont need to disconnect bobovrS3 cable : just press the Button 3 seconds and it dont charching your q3 and longer so the Power Comes from q3 International accu .
I charge my quest while I play a lot sometimes. Like Asgards Wrath or anything that just immerses me.. I have a spot in my house with a office chair right beside a outlet just for this☺️. I'm trying to stop doing this tho. Good video, I needed to hear this 💯☺️
Thanks, and nice confirmation! My old (10 ton heavy (sigh) and from the first pokemon go times, which I then never played) power bank has the perfect values. Might check for a lighter one later. (Can't find the links here, btw.)
I also have the S3 Pro from BoboVR. I have been wondering if it is behaving normal. Playing walkabout Minigolf keeps my headset at 82% and stays at 82% . It does not charge it more. I thought it slowly charges it to 100% ? But it doesn't. When playing PCVR with Virtual Desktop at highest settings it very slowly discharges. It can't hold it. It is warmer where I am at, what could be a safety feature from the Quest 3? I'm just not sure if this is a normal behavior from the S3 Pro. What is your experience with it? Is this a normal behavior?
I use my headsets every single day and charge to 100% and leave it on the charger. Not once did I ever have a headset battery go bad within the life span of the headset. This isn’t even worth worrying about.
Do you think you are immune to physics? Batteries degrade, these tips are meant to reduce degradation and extend the life which they can provide charge, not stop them from "going bad" Your headset cannot hold the same amount of charge now as it did when it was brand new, these tips will extend the life of the battery
@@Whatisrock237 It's not about being immune to physic. But battery degradation takes time, and the timespan until it actually matters is usually longer than the life span of a Quest 3. Which for me is until Quest 4 release.
Ditto, mine lives on its dock and I have no issues, the headset was short battery life brand new until I got my battery head strap so don’t really care. By the time my q3 starts ditching it’ll be time to get a q4 anyway.
All that plugging and unplugging the quest will damage the charging port. Luckily the battery headstrap I have maintains the power level. I can use the mq3 for about 8 hours before I completely run out of power.
I dont charge my Quest 3. I bought a 6ft cord and a 140W powerbank and use it like the Apple Vision Pro. I only deal with charging the powerbank. The Quest is programmed not to draw more than 22W while charging so it doesn’t matter what powerbank you use. Get a higher wattage bank so you can play intensive games without drawing much power
hello I have a question. lets say my charging bank makes my quest 3 charge faster than it loses power while playing. Could I just turn on higher graphics settings such as 120 hz so that it loses power faster and the battery percentage stays in one spot?
I have an app for my android phone that alerts me when it goes above or below a set point. They should make an app for the Quest that does that, or better yet Meta should put that in the settings.
I got a quest 2(for about a year), while playing on virtual desktop my quest went from 100 to 0 in 60 ish minutes, im so paranoid i have done something wrong
No, 100% digital charge is a soft cap put in place by the manufacturer. A digitally “full” battery is an 85-90% charged actual capacity of the physical battery. This is done as a safeguard to prevent overcharging failure on most consumer devices.
I have a link cable that supports external power, I use a 45watt brick and keeps it fully charged for as long as I want to play. I usually run the cable up my pant leg and shirt, so that it sticks out where my foot is and I just step over top of it, then it comes out the neck of my shirt. I almost never even notice I'm cabled in anymore.
am I using a vr headset or raising a baby here ? I'm not doing any of that stuff and idc how bad the battery gets. by the time it dies, or gets to the point of annoyingly low use time, there will be a quest 4 to buy or if not, 3rd party batteries for quest 3 will be out and about for me to buy and replace the old one.
You would think there’d be a “optimize charging” option that would only allow it to work between 80-20%. 80% would show 100% and 20% would show 0% But they’d rather have you pay to replace the batteries.
Hello I charge it with the original adapter and use it normally. It charges while playing games, but the charge percentage slowly decreases. It neither stays the same nor increases. I'm starting to think there is a problem with my device. While charge with 5 Meters USB-A to Type-C cable headset info "Slowly charging" same as PC USB I mostly use PCVR. It charges and plays via USB with a cable. The charging times are not sufficient. Does anyone have a problem like me or know a solution?
let's be honest here. If you're using a quest 3, you know how good it is and you love the time you've spent with it and you had the money to drop 550€ , then you will buy the quest 4 when it releases in 2-3 years. Or the quest pro 2 for 1500€ , it depends of how much you want it or not. Quest and all vr headsets are a LUXURY item, if you got one because you want to play vr games or do vrchat or whatever you have in mind, you will buy the next cool thing in a few years and you know it. So charge the battery as how she says it unless it's annoying, it doesn't really matter, you will buy the next one.
This is why i use the bobovr S3 pro: i only use the battery when the headset is on, just to keep it between 40-80% and when i stop playing, i just pop out the battery...
Yes, the way I do it is I simply disconnect the cable - that way then you’re ready to start charging again, you don’t need to look for the battery, just pop in the cable!
I don't know. This sounds a lot more alarming than it probably is. I'll just stick to overcharging my headset. I dont want to constantly be monitoring numbers.
Just got my quest three yesterday but I ran across your videos i can really appreciate the deep dive you go into in your video s thank you for doing a really good job much help have a blessed day ❤
I can't believe this: keeping the charging level between 20 and 80%? So why in the first place do you have a 100 and 0% capacity? Why not make batteries with 120 and -20% levels? In this way you charge between 100 and 0%. Anyway, I have an extra battery attached and my battery is still good after a 1 year of usage.
Ok so it’s 2 hours of playing from 100% to 0% but you have to start charge it when it’s 40% and stop charging when it’s 80% 😂 so what is real playing time? 48 minutes 😂😂😂
unfortunately not accurate about new battery tech for this video to be very useful - 20-80 is wrong, it is correct for the battery itself, but you have more than the battery in the device, it has a controller attached that takes care of this; going down to 0 is fine and so is 100, though some people swear by 95ish - 8 watt charging is wrong; the official charging is 18W and that's what you want, no more (it will be ignored and has caused melted ports in the past) and no less; even if, most powerbanks do not provide their full rating on one output, so choosing this way is incorrect - overcharging is a fixed problem, the battery controller prevents it, period - speed of charging is irrelevant to battery health, what does matter is the heat loss generated, as temperature rises do cause damage; new phones charging at 100W+ do not experience any more damage than previous slow charging - fyi: power saving mode does have a big impact on performance
Not quite true, I mean it's true that fast charging your devices will shorten the battery life. BUT the Quest 3 even at 65W, drains the batteries faster than it charges.
These are completely over exaggerated claims. Charging above 80% does not do "significant damage" to the battery. It's just part of normal battery degradation, it's not nearly as dire as you portray it. A shameful attempt to sell affiliate-linked equipment.
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@@elliottwitt5369 I work in network engineering for an ISP, and I can tell you first hand that everything said in this video is 100% consistent with best practices for ensuring long life and stability of the backup batteries that supply continuous uninterruptible power to our DC plant. If you don’t believe me, you’re more than welcome to take the SCTE critical facilities accreditations courses for yourself and tell me what they say about this matter.
