I've been coaching and teaching for 30 years. The "robot" movement works as good fundamentals for most beginning uncoordinated students. I agree with the method you are teaching but some students are so uncoordinated that they need a robotic movement at first and over time they will feel how to be fluid.
Agreed. Beginners are typically awkward, and it takes teaching certain methods "robotically", as he would say, in order for it to translate. I tell people to learn the basics the fundamental way, then once comfortable apply style to technique.
it's honestly amazing how fluid you can get from messing around shadow boxing, i've seen massive improvements in my boxing from shadow boxing constantly in work and the house, you're right though it's always handy to have some base level to work from.
When I started, I was extremely slow and clumsy. But after I started sparring with other ppl, I learned everything all over again, and naturally became more agile. Some ppl need to be put in situation where they need to be fluid and fast, to progress
Start with basic mechanics then add variation when they don’t need to THINK about the basics. I disagree with putting you weight on your back foot unless you need punching room. You are already reaching. You need center balance with a twist or front foot weight if you want some pop. He is teaching a slap. Thats just an arm punch. If you don’t lock your arm at the point of contact, your shoulder and hip rotation are wasted energy. May as well just slap. Its faster and if you turn your fist it looks like a punch anyway. I think what he is talking about is Canelo holding guard during the start of his pivot. Most guys “Cock” their arm at the beginning of the movement telegraphing the hook. Canelo starts the rotation then brings his arm up. Ryan Garcia does this as well. It disguises the hook as just a shoulder roll.
As a fighter now in transition to teaching and coaching, I find his videos useful. They help me find alternate ways to explain movement that I don't think of.
@Juann-je8gq I don't know, but coaching isn't really bout having had a professional record, across sports some of the best coaches/trainers weren't professional.
Thank effing Gawd. I'm learning striking basics right now, and the lead hook is so frustrating. There's no consensus; there's always SOMETHING wrong when someone else sees you throw it.
If you’re learning the striking basics then maybe dont follow this lesson, this is more intermediate. Sean was getting hella shit on insta for this vid because boxing coaches couldnt comprehend teaching something outside of the basics.
Agree with the above. With beginners, you're likely trying to just get them to not make this an arm punch. Things like weight placement and adjustments for range are more nuanced.
Don't get confused by the comments -- do what works for you. Keep it simple: the hook is meant to land on the side of the jaw/temple, so whatever path and mechanics makes that work with the least chance of getting intercepted... do that!
Depends on style. Tyson used the first kind of hook predominantly. But his stance is way different. The delivery system changes how you do things. If you’re in a different stance you throw the hook different. Also, it depends on your height and reach. No point teaching a longer range hook to fighter with no reach or a short compact hook to a fighter with longer reach. You have to fight to your body. There’s no cookie cutter approach. Only suggestions. You have to find your own way in to it.
same with soviet boxers like the main 4 Champs who rule their division, they know that power comes from the ground up with rotation and tight non telegraphs
I gotta send you some praise, man. Fighting is tough, but teaching to fight is HARD. Every video of yours has explained things so much easier than my past coaches have. Much appreciation for knowing how to break things down in digestible terms!
everything is situational. Mike always played the tight pocket game so his hooks were perfect for the distance. The further you are, the less 90 you should have eventually turning the fist horizontal when landing instead of vertical. Also, the front foot turn is situational as well. For me, in Muay Thai you can generate good power by fully rotating, but doing so makes you easy to kick in the leg. So you try not to fully turn the foot on hooks. If you’re just boxing tho, you can get away with the foot turn since you don’t have to worry about checking kicks
its almost like punching a person, whos gunna move vs punching a bag who isnt leads to throwing every punch different to make the connection.... yh doing what he say in both ways is great, but what if the guy is stepping in, moving out, stood still etc? gunna throw the same punch every time in every situation? but ive never trained at all so roast me if you want
Thank you and it's taught that way because in the kindergarten stage you step with the jab bring your back foot with the cross and then follow it with the perfect 90 degree hook. (Which will be placed perfectly because of the prior steps. It's taught that way to not skimp on the fundamental. This is more of a check hook.
@@coachamber4410 a strict 90 degree angle creates a short range hook. Meaning it actually doesn't work if you're "strictly" throwing it in combination of the 1-2, which are two long punches. You would miss your hook. However Both teaching methods needs to be taught and understood. The natural feel doesn't come until multiple correct connections, because a beginners natural insticnt would probably be an arm punch. Especially when the left hook is the hardest punch to throw correctly. I can recall how stiff I was when I first learned it lol - at that point there wasn't even any concept of pivoting yet.
That's what Wonderboy does. Karate puts alot of emphasis on exaggerating which is why the Techniques looks so stiff in Kata, but once you do Kumite (sparring), you can losen up while still maintaining good technique.
Exactly, it's wild how the new marketing scheme is to pretend like you're a good teacher simply be downing the basic of the entire sport you're talking about.
I agree, boxin coach always berates me for my "mma lookin ahh hook" but id say they're correct, canelo does hit it without pivoting exaggerated... I always notice that once you master the fundamentals correctly you can break the rules &make it look easy
literally did everything he said not to do🤦🏻♂️tell me you have no clue without telling me you have no clue. the way you "shouldnt" do it is exactly the correct way to do it
His weight was on his rear leg. He rotated his front leg with his pivot from his back leg. In other words, he pivot on his rear leg and his front leg just followed his hips if that makes sense.
@@Exile8oh8 yep. It's definitely the order of movement that most seem to miss in the comments. The wrong way is starting the movement with a pivot. You can tell the difference during his "wrong" demonstration; no weight shift at all.
@@Exile8oh8dog.. stand up right now and throw a lead hook. If you’ve been trained, your lead foot isn’t turning over.. disrupting the entire kinetic chain when you don’t sit down. In this video. Everytime he thrown the hook he’s turning on the balls of his lead foot. Stop commenting to me yall do not box. Stop.
@@toreworld5820 I may not box but I've been studying human movement long enough to know my comment ain't wrong. I also know I understood what I was looking at better than you understood what I wrote. So I'll go learn how to box when you go learn English.
What I'd add is that I'd emphasize rotating the hip alone first, leaving the shoulder and arm in the original position, creating stored energy in the twist that the waist now has. Then let the shoulder follow, then the arm and lastly the fist, like an arrow being released from a bow. This all should happen in a fluid instant but those are the micro-steps to create power in the hook (and many strikes).
Solid love it. Literally exactly what I needed to hear for the lead hook. I thought it felt better when I sorta whip it but like just that slight stiffer from knee hip to shoulder then elbow. Just let the shoulder loose a little just a bit. Thanks Shane that was the confirmation I needed.
The simplicity of what he teaches is what makes him the best at teaching . These are things that people just take for granted, a lot of coaches never tell their guys that its okay to adapt to your body mechanics once you have the basics down. Just because we're born with the same limbs, it does not mean that we're designed the same way. What works for another person, might not work for you. The sidekick, is a major thing that causes injuries or ligament damage to guys trying to throw it in the same way that they see other people throwing it. Its not always a flexibility thing, your hip joints are not going to be a replica of someone elses hip joints. Seen guys drop to the floor trying to throw it perfectly perpendicular. Much safer and mote effective to engage your glutes into it.
@@YadiThaJiggaboo well then I guess him and I both are. I've personally got about 10 years of experience and I'm sure Shane has more than that. So please enlighten us on what exactly he's wrong about
Oh snap just saw your profile pic, you're a 12 year old in your first month of cardio kick boxing class. Loll humble up young fella you've got long ways to go
Dude I love your channel. Your educational style is the perfect mix of informative, succinct and entertaining. So stoked to see your sub growth over the years as well! All the best from NZ
All I’m gonna say is the way he’s throwing it leaves you open for for a counter straight right. Definitely don’t throw it the way Canelo is throwing it. It works for Canelo because of his reputation and how he sets it up. Plus Canelo drops it and whips it around
every fkn hook leaves you open for a counter, fk every strike you throw is when you are the most venerable. You really thought you cooked.. you lift weights bro you don't fight.
Oh this'll make a difference for me. I've been adding a slight drop to my cross for some time now but haven't done it to my lead hook. Excited to try this out.
@@majinnemesisyour absolutely wrong boxers where more skilled in Mike Tyson's era and even before, there were many styles that have been lost over time, today's boxing is more of a standard style, now I would say that strength training is far better now and nutrition . Mike would only be better now if he could bring Cus D'amato back with him ,(The creator of the peek a boo style )
@@j.r31 nope technique has only improved and styles haven't been lost but they are being merged, why learn one style when you can just learn them all same thing with MMA, it's a mix of several martial arts, when settle with just one style?
Thank you for this! I have made the mistake before of teaching people to throw hooks that way, then realizing that I throw it differently. Never been able to articulate it like this!
Such a good teaching. I don’t believe you need to pivot on front font at all. Staying planted or “sitting down” creates much more force and balance. Just like he said watch Canelo
😂 he jus admited that the 90 degree feels natural from a close range:)) second, the pivot is a good tool to learn how to put the weight behind the punch.
I teach pivoting on the lead foot only to beginners who 1: are only boxing for recreation and 2: have trouble turning their hips into their punches. The pivot can be like adding training wheels onto the hook. Once they get that rotational awareness in their hips, they can take the pivot out. Works well!
I don't teach it to any level of my fighters, because it is simplly poor body mechanics. A natural transition of weight is one thing....tippy toe with a 90 degree rotation like this guy is showing is anatomically stupid and sucks the power instantly.
I do like the concept of not being a robot. The hook can be done at quite a range of angles. It’s important to keep eye contact on the person, use your whole body to support the power, but have the flexibility to throw it differently (like moving backwards, forwards, or pivoting). Also, for people with weak wrists, i highly recommend keeping your wrist and arm aligned like a solid unit and not bend the wrist so to avoid injury. when you’re like me and can break wood or jaws with knuckles and have that tolerance, then it’s safer to punch at “crazier” angles.
funny enough, this was how my Karate teacher taught me how to do a hook punch. it's like a normal straight, but you're leading your body to the direction of the hook and it just comes naturally
Also if someone always throw the lead hook with the same trajectory it's going to get predictable. So use some feints or throw it from a little lower and make it look like your loading a lead hook to the body. Mix it up. Don't throw the same stuff. You don't want to be predictable.
Thank you so much for teaching this I’ve been preaching This forever and you can absolutely throw left hooks at longer ranges Everyone should practice long hooks as well as the short ones
Literally just tried this on my heavy bag. In the spirit of doing what works for me, the tip of pulling the hip back more: definitely feels better. Might still need to pre-set my hand though. My form still sucks there. Thanks, Shane!
I started my boxing career 7 years ago in my garage and your video. My biggest takeaway when teaching the cross and lead hook is the shift of weight from you front leg to your rear
Bro , I’ve been training in martial arts for so many years and finally someone sees the same thing I’ve been saying about the the lead hooks thanks for posting this video bro keep up the good work Shane .
I like it, but you gotta show the effectiveness of the relaxed hand strike into a grapple it's quite honestly the reason everyone should learn it, I'm think g about starting something like this but I don't got all that nice gear I just train
One of the issues we run into with demonstrating techniques sometimes, is that we demo at a digestable/slow speed a move that can only be fluidly executed at actual speed. That's why a lot of things feel awkward. You're limited and stifling your body's natural movement patterns to try emulate a technique your doing wrong.
I think it stems from the idea of the hook being a big heavy hitting knockout, where you throw every single muscle you can into that one punch. but it's significantly more effective if you think about the anatomy of what happens with a lateral hit
Okay, so I could've been a pro boxer with terrible defense, but I'm barely 207 lbs and just a tad under 6'0. My coaches taught it a little differently but my Kenpo background caused me to train the open hand palm strike a lot. It ended up like you just taught, and I could knock anyone out with my lead hook. It's so beautiful that you teach this as I always felt like I was doing my hook wrong! Turns out it was right all along! Thank you coach!
That’s actually how kids are taught. It’s more animated because kids big pictures not small ones. Once they get the “tech-nique”, they are suppose to be taught to correct it the right way, but only after the level up from the training wheels. This is still effective for beginners. But beginner stage only
That was exactly what was said to me by my coach, it always felt short range and weird, then when I do it the correct way you taught, I always tot I'm not using proper form as that was not what I was taught. Finally, someone validated it
