Stopping Power of .380 ACP 

You are on the money. Long ago, my Army Drill Sergeant pointed out ... it ain't about the size of the bullet, it's where you put the damned thing. .223 .22Mag. I'd not want to be at the receiving end of any gun. I pack Ruger .380

Yes a 22 double tap does trick

I think most miss with high calibers. But hey the bigger round costs more as do the rifle or handgun

The 380 is strongest caliber most women should carry. 9mm being the most

John Browning designed the 380. Nuff said.

Great killer. I'm not a hitman, I carry for defense and want to stop attacks right away with the least amount of shots and bother. Don't confuse 'killing' with 'stopping'

@@OldManMontgomery although sometimes they're the same thing. Well said

@@BearNecesities1 Commonly recorded cases indicate the villain was in fact killed, but not dead until after the villain committed his act of villainy. In which case, the defender looses. I prefer the villiain to be rendered unable to carry out the attack instantly - or a reasonable facimily - and I really don't care if he dies or not. "...sometimes they're the same thing" Yes. But not often enough for my peace of mind.

I carry a .380 for two main reasons. It does not over penetrate for one which is safer for innocent bystanders. Many of the pistols made for this cartridge are highly concealable which suit my purpose. I only care about stopping a problem. If they end up taking dirt nap, oh well.

@@keyfitter as do I. I don't want to make an innocent bystander collateral damage. If my 12(×2)+1 isn't enough to stop the threat evading is the best option. I'm not out here to be a hero, I'm just here to defend myself and the people I love.

I have a Glock 380 and like it, but if I think I'll actually have to use a gun I drop a Makarov in my pocket. Why? It has never jammed, not once! And it shoots hard enough.

My LCP max is a game changer. After pocket carry, I'll never go back to IWB. Plus,my odds of needing the firearm is slim to none .

@@rustyshackleford1877 usually carry my G26 in the winter time. But when summer reaches 100+ everyday/night, the LCP max is the go to in the pocket.

@@mnikss03 I don't even know I have it on me sometimes

Agreed! Me too!

Same here. Likely going with the Sig P365/ 380

Cause the barrel is ramped ball works better. I load two balls then hollows every other. Kahr p380

This video doesn’t confirm that at all lol. Using the worst JHP ammo available for .380 doesn’t prove anything. Just go to Tools&Targets videos and watch his .380 videos. Underwood JHP +P and Federal Hydra Shok Deep are among the best performers out there. Much better performance than ball could ever be.

​@@DuvalRyprWinchester's Defender series was found to be very good as well.

@@DuvalRypr He went with Winchester FMJ for his pick in that video. The deep got clogged and didn't expand, underwood is great, but for the money FMJ's performance was the winner.

I prefer the Sig 365 if I want that many rounds in a little gun... for a pocket gun, I go with The Crimson Trace Bodyguard 380 and an extra 10 round man. To each their own. Sights on a pocket gun are just points of snagging for me.

@@Nigriff 365 is huge compared to an LCP Max they are not in the same category

I love my lcp max

@little drane you make a lot of completely unsupportable assumptions. You can carry a 380 any place you can carry any other gun. A 13 shot 380 loaded with xtps is every bit as effective as any other Duty caliber handgun of the same size, as per the Greg ellefritz study. Thousands of real life shooting videos on channels like ASP I have never once shown a citizen reload a handgun in the middle of a gunfight. It doesn't happen.

Lcp max stays in my pocket at all times. Even if im carrying my hellcat iwb

carried the same for about 20 yrs, wore the blueing off !! good little gun

Good gun , long bad trigger. Reliable though.

That was my first carry gun. Still have it.

Who remembers the surveillance video of the poor pharmacist shooting a robber to death that tried to rob his shop? 380 works.

those are good guns. bersa. i had a 45 thunder pro. 7+ rounds.

Man, I love my LCP. It’s definitely my favorite pocket rocket to carry especially on days when the Texas/Louisiana heat is on full throttle.

Again I wouldn't want to get hit by it. Plenty powerful enough and those little girls are louder than some rifles imo.

I carry my LCP everyday!

@@TarmanDan loud!

I'm a 45 lover who carries the LCP in 380 frequently because I'm too lazy to dress around the larger gun just for a quick trip to the corner store. I've more recently bought a very compact 9mm to split the difference and it is threatening to become my main carry weapon. (More testing is in order before I can say it's my new #1, but I'm leaning in that direction.)

I have the same gun as my daily carry. My law enforcement friends (one who is a pistol expert) have told me how much they like it and that it doesn’t feel like a small gun. That 15 rd mag is great too…most 380s have only 9 or 10. I’m getting a second Bersa for my wife.

Love my thunder plus with underwood xtreme defender

@little drane Hence the Underwood Xtreme Defender which doesn’t rely on expansion and I don’t think I will be shooting any animals with my .380, thanks though.

Love my Bersa Thunder !

Still a 9mm short.. Granted with the advent of superb bullet design the .380 is much better, however, I would not count it as a home defense caliber much better choices..

@@dukeman7595 I disagree I run Eagle talons in my 380.

@@dukeman7595 Yep, when I run out of bullets, there is the trusty 12 gauge to finish the job.

speer gold dot 90 g is good

i appreciate your video also.

380 is good. around 900 to 1000 fps with certain loads i think. lots of practice is an advantage.

I love my sig p238

I love my P238. Tough as a Russian tank. Smooth and precise as a Swiss watch. Only complaint is capacity.

@@michaelsweaney3890 Have another clip ready or consider maybe extended mag. I felt the same way. Great gun but needs a larger capacity.

@@wowKyl3the p238 does not use clips

I’ve never used the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and I didn’t know Precision One made .380. I like their products. I just made a lengthy response to “Brian” on these blogs about the P238. The doggone thing seems to consistently penetrate nearly 15”. Check out my reply to Brian’s reply. Of you can’t fid it, tell me and I will send it to you. We are big Sig and Ruger fans. I think Sig makes the best and Ruger is very very high quality with the best price to quality ratio. The P238 holds 8 - no comparison to the quantity of the LCP Max. The P238 could be easily racked and handled by my wife. (Her first semi-auto pistol.) I eventually got one too. Now she can readily rack a .40 and a .45ACP. I don’t think you can beat a quality .380 mini pistol for EDC. With the right modern ammo - whew! Ken

I have a bersa thunder 380 in my daypack. Only comes out once a month to get cleaned and ammo rotated.

hydro shock rounds are the ONLY way to make a .380 effective, and even still it doesn't hold a candle to a regular 9mm, a meth head will still be coming after you if you shoot them with a .380

@@kenpeters9807 I would get one of these if they made it with a thumb safety switch.. Right now I carry a springfield armory 911 7+1 mag w/safety.

The LCP Max is the best value in the concealed carry market....with arguably the best night sights, another home run from Ruger!

Extreme Defender or Extreme Penetrator? I hope you are not carrying the XP for self defense for your own sake.

kkkk true!

Including Arch Duke Francis Ferdinand and his wife, triggering The Great War (WWI) - not really a world war, but one hellova European War!

Good to know, I will get one

According to a police officer friend it has also let a lot of people get up!!!!!

@@anthonylandino7709 So has PCP

@@anthonylandino7709 No offense, all handguns suck. You're poking holes in people. Need a critical shot, or they'll just bleed out. If you do the math on the difference of frontal area of both bullets, compared to the human body, there is little to no difference. Shoot what you shoot best that's capable of penetrating to, and through the spine. Keep firing until the perp drops.

Unless you putting head shots in while using in self defense, I would not have it. I reload everything I shoot except 22lr

Quality JHP is not just about more damage, it is about staying in the target.

I’d rather over penetrate and get two holes for the price of one anyday. I’m not shooting someone knowing there are friendlies behind him even if I had JHP. JHP also have a hard time actually hitting the vital organ you aimed at. There’s scenarios where people get shot centermass and the bullet ricochets after penetrating and while it creates a big wound cavity, it doesn’t actually hit a vital organ. A FMJ doesn’t behave like this. It goes where you place. The wound cavity size and under penetration are all marketing BS that’s probably killed more people than it’s protected.

If you can get reliable expansion while keeping adequate penetration, why wouldn't you? A bigger bullet can make a bigger hole, and having a sharp shoulder especially is better than a round shoulder because tissue will stretch over a round nose, but be cut by a sharp one, leading to a larger primary wound cavity.

@@libertyprime9307 .380 is generally relegated to small pistols to help alleviate recoil. These compact pistols have less room for the mechanical function. Changing the shape of the round, reducing the weight of round (hollow point), changing the length of the round, can result in a less reliable cartridge or negatively effect acceptable penetration, i.e., 12" to 16" FBI ballistics gel, etc...

@@randyrush9856 Sure, I agree with all of that. That said, I own the original LCP, an LCP 2, and used to own the Taurus TCP. None of them ever failed in my hands with any kind of ammo. I've seen some of my relatives reliably limp-wrist them though. It's obviously user error. To me, when you buy a gun (especially one intended for defense), the first thing you do is go to the range and run a few hundred rounds of your defensive ammo through it to check for reliability, and I'd say this process isn't special for .380. It's not a reason to not purchase a .380, because you should be putting it through the same test as anything else.

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And thats what a concelead handgun is for, at least in my opinion. Its something to get you out of a bad spot

@@texmex8220 Exactly. I don’t plan to get into a prolonged shootout with it or anything. I’m well practiced with it and know it’s limitations. It’s a great little pistol. I sent mine off and had a tritium front sight and dovetailed rear sight put on it. It’s much more shootable now.

That is an excellent point. I fear some think that with a smaller sized gun comes less lethality which is not true in a quality firearm and good ammunition. Big does not spell bad. Thanks for viewing and I hope we hear from you in the future.

@@AmmoMart Indeed. The ammo I’m mandated to carry with my .380 is Federal HST 99gr HP. Sadly it doesn’t expand at all really when passing through clothing. However it does penetrate like a FMJ. With no clothing barrier, it expands greatly but only penetrates about 10.5-11”. Heck, that’s good enough for me. I’ve always training for the “failure drills,” of two to the heart and one to the “coconut.” …then it’s time for a reload. .380 will ruin a bad guy’s day just fine and it’s better than using a length of sugar cane on the islands. 🍍

How the hell did you get a ccw permit in Hawaii?

@@danielescamilla182 HR218

I've heard that chonklas can be pretty effective in the right hands...

I would like to bring up to you the Hornaday critical defense round in 380 and the Sig V Crown, both expand very well and meet the FBI standards for penetration of 12” - 18”. Both penetrates at the 12.5” to 14” range. My wife caries a Bersa 380 so I have researched the ballistics of 380 acp and these are the only rounds which expands and penetrates to FBI standards. Not much to choose from admittedly.

Yup....380 used by police in Europe for ages. It's like people think 38 special no longer works as police carried it for 100 years.

Rick…389 HCD does NOT meet fbi standards….never seen a test that it did. Use an xtp hp round of some kind of ball. Thats it!

I saw a picture of two Dutch military officers armed with Browning 32 ACP pistols, taken I guess before WW2. You're right, 32 and 380 ACP were previously military rounds in Europe.

I fill up the magazine of my Bersa Firestorm with Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator. They create larger and more messy wound cavities than the ball or flat-nose rounds. Yes, I'd never use JHP rounds on a .380 auto pistol unless I'm a mob assassin and my job is to kill a turncoat at the back of his head at point blank range.

Lolol

The great thing about the bersa thunder, extra mags are cheap along with lasers for it. The laser grips are a different story but a normal laser cost about $100 for it.

Your holy grail sir could be the new P365 in 380, and here's why: - easier to rack than the Bersa thunder, being a tilting barrel design (the thunder is a blowback) - 2 more rounds for a total of 10 rounds in the magazine - 4.3 oz lighter than the Bersa - best of all, it comes red dot ready, so you can add an optic sight, which could help a lot in near sight / far sight issues. I would seriously consider that Sig, since it seems to tick all the boxes you need.

@@sevse23 is it going to jam like a lot of reports of sigs doing bad things here lately?

@@UN-intelligent I'm not aware of any jamming P365 380, care to show evidence? BTW I'm a Glock guy, couldn't care less for SIGs business had it not been for the gentleman who elaborated on his needs.

You have a carrot....WTF??

@@blaineedwards8078 Ha Ha! Thanks for catching my poor editing. The auto spell kicked me in the a$$ and I didn’t catch it. 👍🏻🇺🇸

@@michaelangelo7511 Brother Mike, it's all good, amigo! You are a great American....carry on.

@@blaineedwards8078 👍🏻🇺🇸

Me too. I bought one new over 30 years ago, and it has never once jammed. ...I've always used FMJ though, so maybe that's part of it.

@@eventhisidistaken I have shot some hp ammo(can’t remember what) and it worked fine.. although I shoot mostly fmj.

@@guaporeturns9472 I've read that you are more likely to jam if you don't use FMJ, but I don't really know if that's true.

The 380 ACP is a good alternative to 9mm especially for seniors with wrist/hand problems. I have an Interarms PPK/S and I just love my classic beauty.

You should check out the ruger lcp max . 10 plus 1 i believe

380 is a mouse gun

@@loveydovey4u MAybe but if you know how to use it, it can be just as effective as any other. I also carry a .40 but the .380 has advantages for concealed carry that the .40 can't.

@@loveydovey4u How bout you stand down range and I use you as target practice. Your manlet ass won't last an entire magazine of .380, not even close

Fixed barrel blowback is more repeatable than a locking design. Ask gun Jesus.

@@deet_boii Are you saying the Llama is not good enough since it's a linked barrel?

@@hotrodray6802 I've had both and like the recoil of the locked breech action better. It's a nice backup caliber, I've also had it in 9mak, slightly hotter, and very easy to handle.

My father is a retired homicide detective with over 20 years experience as a detective and 15 as a regular deputy. Make no mistake about it any bullet is capable of death if placed in the right place. He’s even had cases where people were killed with through and through headshots from .17 caliber BB guns/ air rifle calibers. He carried .380 only as a backup gun in public and a .357 in the night stand and a 12 gauge behind the headboard. When he first started out he had the option of a .38 special or .357 and the backup guns were small .32 revolvers then. When he left on duty carry was Sig Sauer .40 caliber pistols and backup guns were any gun they chose but had to be at least 5 rounds. It was guys who carried Dillinger’s with 2 shots of .45acp as their backup 😂. He said from what he saw it really wasn’t a difference between what a .380-9mm-.40 does inside the human body once it hits soft tissue, muscle, organ matter, bone, etc. they all had about the same amount of damage. .45’s and .357’s and of course .44 magnums did a lot more damage but the recoil wasn’t suitable for rapid follow up shots. The stats for the last 40 so years on homicides and calibers used had 50%+ if not more almost 60% of all the fatalities were from .22s, .32s and .380s. So these small calibers these people today talk about as not being enough “stopping power” were more than enough to kill thousands of people with one or two shots from those small calibers. Most shooting fatalities believe it or not, I’m talking 3/4 of the homicides were one or two shots only. Not 17 shots. People today are insane and have no real world proof to back up their fanatical need to carry 40-50+ rounds with them to Wendy’s 😂 practice and practice some more with your piece and try to perfect the art of head shots. Because lately these mass shootings taking place all of these guys are wearing soft armor. Or perfect femoral artery hits 😂

Very sorry about that one, long before that, I carried a S&W 36 in 38 and it happened to be a deterent in several confrontations, without shooting, Today at home I tuck it under belt in change pocket when I put on my jeans, Just in case

Hey D man I'm sorry for your loss!!

A 38 is better than a 380 performance wise, but 5 shots is insufficient to my mind, and the bulk is more than a 380, which is my EDC. That said, if i go to Walmart at night I carry a nine or 45. I am a 34 year veteran of a state police agency where part of my duties was as a crime scene tech. Certainly a 380 will kill. It will also stop, just not as quickly as a more potent round. Where a .380 may be stopped by a barrier, that same barrier would not protect against a stronger caliber. Then there is the distance factor. I know that MOST gun fights are at very close range, and there are those who say if the conflict is 25 - 50 yards away, a defender can simply find cover, but that is always not the case. I am a proponent of the 45acp because that is the best I can reasonably have with me if using an auto. I mean to say the familiar 1911 has more chance to handle more scenarios. I have learned that any given violent conflict is unlike any other. So most people carry with convenience as a primary consideration; I am guilty of that. A 380 is on my belt as I write this.

When trying to decide a choice for the handgun for James Bond, the producers chose a Walther PPK because it looks cool and futuristic, like something the shadowy world of espionage would come up with.

That gun is fantastic, in every way.

A 380 is 100% a CCW self-defense round, there's no other practical use for it, and it fills it's need very well. I like to refer to it as a 9mm short.

Hey! It started WWI. Need I say more? (And that’s before today’s incredible advancements in ammunition.)

The Colt Mustang or the ones that started all these 1911 380 like Sig P238 the Kimber micro and the Springfield Armory whatever there's is called I love that little Colt Mustang I've never had one though! If I could have any of them I would choose that one secondary I like the Sig P238 the Kimber micro!

I have the Colt Gov't Model .380. If you've only fired yours 20 times, you need more practice! :)

@@jedironin380 went to range and the is amazing in every way. Neal

Technically true that the energy is expended in the target however at handgun velocities the energy is almost a moot point as it takes velocities more in the 2000+fps range to get any real hydrostatic shock. An exit wound can help increase blood loss which can be an advantage in some situations. The biggest factor in tissue damage (other than placement) is bullet shape which is why full wad cutter revolver rounds perform so well even at very low velocities.

Look at Liberty Civil Defense ammo.

By the time you get to a 4" barrel you might as well carry a 9mm unless recoil is an issue. But, I agree 380 is under rated with the ammo these days. All the tests I have been seeing place it on the same level as 38 special given modern ammo.

Exatly: my old (a nearly a mint-one) Beretta"mod.1934", cal 9-Corto/1941=XIX"E.F"(Era-Fascista) with "Mamba-type"/Fiocchi-ctg: are ideal-"binomio" at short distance (for a realistic self-defence: 0-10mt)😊

It always baffles me when people thing a shotgun or some other round will ‘knock someone down’. Seems people have seen too many movies and not enough hunting.

Wait til the adrenaline hits as you're in fear of for your life.

@@hotrodray6802 I don't think you read my entire comment.

I have an 85F Cheetah. Probably the sexiest, and best built pistol in the world.

@@gonzob9609 I had a cheetah and Vine I didn't like because the barrel rubbed against the frame but the one thing about that cheetah you can shoot the hottest 380 rounds and it's not going to hurt it and Buffalo Bore has some extremely hot I mean I'm talkin 1200 ft per second 90 grain bullet, and they make some 100 grain hardcast flat nose that are doing about 1150 I don't like shooting a lot of that out of my Sig P238 I had it or Kimber micro because it's just I feel like a little hard on those little guns!

@@gonzob9609 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-emh6cyrz2Hc.html Clone

The same application would have worked with a .22 long rifle. Perhaps even a starter pistol. I am delighted your dad solved the problem with no harm to himself. But the caliber of firearm he used doesn't seem to matter.

@@OldManMontgomery It's what he had. When trouble comes, the best firearm is the one that is available right now. He was getting elderly at the time, it's what he felt comfortable with. Keep'em in the X ring.😉

I think it may be because the Bersa Thunder is a blowback pistol. I am wondering if a .380 would be smoother shooting when shot from a locked breech pistol. I had a Bersa, it was snappy.

The real pain is finding ammo for it you can afford OR find...

i use federal punch with a 380 EZ & it's the perfect combo for me

What he said. My everyday carry gun is a 100% reliable Glock 42 with Underwood Xtreme Defender….8 plus 1. Reliable, effective, easy to carry.

I use the Extreme penetrators myself. The name is misleading. It does not over penetrate, but it does have the sectional density to get through bone and heavy clothes better than the light bullet. Just my own reason for using the heavier bullet. If I had the defenders only, I would certainly use them.

@@nathanlambshead4778 I’ve tried XD, .380 on a version of Paul Harrell’s meat target. Lots of denim, then pork ribs, then a watermelon and the XD made a real mess of the watermelon. One round. I might try XP…just to see.

@@dullonion797 You have a longer barrel with the Glock 42. Keep that in mind. If I carried a larger gun in summer, than my LCP Custom, I would probably keep the XTP or Critical Defense Hornady rounds in it. But when the belt and jackets weather hits, I carry a 9x19 with Gold Dot 124 grain +p. A different animal. But like I said, I would use the XD if that was what I had. I am probably just too 'old school' to trust high velocity lightweights over more standard weight for caliber. Maybe it is from my Hunting days. Hyper velocity often does not make it through and through on a Whitetail, whereas a decent sectional density would always push though creating that perfect chest sucking wound and blood trail to follow here in the deep woods. I have seen super high powered rounds fail in that. More than once. Funny how living tissue can act. Never quite predictable.

I also carry a G42 as an EDC. I load the Underwood Xtreme Defenders and feel very confident in the system's performance. Hopefully it will never need to be tested.

Yes, and I regret that I traded mine away. Going to have to pick up another one.

Stopping power = an amount of damage from the bullet to the subject. It means how much your hit will drop the target's blood pressure, meaning as you say, the shot placement. .380 to the forehead has more stopping power than .22 to the buttocks, but .44 mag to the middle mass has more stopping power, than .380 to the middle mass. Plain and simple, .22 is enough to kill, but .500 mag kills even with not so perfect shot placement. If someone try to argue, ask him that would he take one or two shots plainly for proving his point?

What's tricky is practicing for shot placement while crapping your pants. I haven't figured out a way to really simulate the sheer terror of being in an actual firefight

@@urpoturakainen4958 I've seen .45 ACP bounce off a windshield when 9mm penetrated the same windshield. Placement is key even with .22 and Once a person gets the FIBS factor (fuck I've been shot) they usually try to leave the scene. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o3YfYml44m0.html🤣

I'm betting that all else equal, more energy is better. A poorly placed shot at higher energy may be as effective as a well placed shot at lower energy. But it could be the case that a .22LR is just as effective as anything else in the real world, because once you feel that slug in your chest/abdomen, your priority switches pretty quickly from robbery to survival.

@@AshGreen359 I have not been in such a situation, but I have been in situations where adrenaline kicked in and overcame fear, resulting in hyper awareness instead of incapacity. It may be that instinct just has to handle it for you. But part of having good instinct, is training. If you train regularly in simulated situations, you are less likely just to freeze up, fail to flee and also fail to fight well.

I think it was Paul Harrell. The XTP was the best combination of expansion and penetration.

Hey Brian, thanks for the reply. My wife carries a P238, got it dour or five years ago. Her first automatic. At the time she could easily manage the minimal recoil and she could rack it. Now she can rack a .40 and a .45 with no problem as well as handle the recoil. I liked it so much for EDC that I got one myself a few months later. Funny, or not so funny, it seems when we get things, putters, handguns, whatever, we try them without looking at price tags. Then the choice usually ends up being one of the most expensive. In some cases I guess you do get what you pay for. Well, I’m off the subject. I’ve noticed that very very often when demonstrating .380 rounds in gel, the pistol of choice is the P238. (Wild guess: the ammo manufacturer and the demonstration RU-vid channel guy made that decision.) The penetration of the Hornady/American Gunner FTX and XTP rounds are consistent in deep penetration and expansion out of the P238. The other pistols, the inexpensive and popular Ruger (very nice for its price) and even the pocket sized Glock do not match the penetration of the Sig P238. I’ve noticed this over and over to the extent that it makes me think that the designed and manufactured tolerances in the Sig are tighter (maybe significantly so) than the other pistols. Actually, having purchased two of them at a 20% to 35%+ difference in price, I would hope there’s a difference; I was just surprised that there really is. A friend of mine has a chronograph? (that antenna looking device that measures velocity of the round). Using that I was getting substantially the same velocity as the testers on RU-vid (with the Sig and XTP/FTX). Hmmmm, maybe there is a difference? Ken

That is MY gun and MY very round. Totally satisfied, and the gun is so small that it is virtually invisible in my IWB appendix carry holster…..

@@surfingonmars8979 yup! My wife got one; I liked it so much, I got one 2 months later.

@@kenpeters9807 I originally got mine for my wife, but selfishly kept it for myself. Gave her a S&W Shield instead….

I got shot in the leg with a 22 long rifle hollow point. Fucking hurts like hell!

@@MarkTimblinvaperman But if you were a bad guy all drugged up it would not have stopped you from your intended crime. You'd have to take it in the eye to be stopped in your tracks.

That is so true. Some weapons will only be suitable in 3 seasons or you lose the idea of "concealed" all together. Thank you for supporting the channel and be safe.

Carrying a large caliber depends on where you live. a .40, .45 or 357 may be reasonable In a wide-open state like Texas. In a crowded east coast city, you may be hit with a reckless endangerment charge if you over-penetrate and God forbid hit a bystander.