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Stranded In A Snowstorm: Ford F-150 Lightning vs Rivian R1T

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I charge up both my Rivian R1T and Ford F-150 Lightning to 85% and then park them outside during a snowstorm with the heater on for 12 hours to see which EV would keep you warm longer if you were stuck in a snowstorm.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:11 Common EV misconceptions
02:01 What do you do with an EV during a power outage?
05:14 Can you survive being stuck in a snowstorm with an EV?
09:25 Update halfway through the test at 2:30 am
13:20 Twelve hours later
19:46 I recharge both vehicles to see how much energy they needed to get back to 85% SOC
21:57 I compare and analyze the results
22:48 How long would it take to completely drain the batteries?
27:37 What if it were colder?
29:53 Outro
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@CheddarKungPao Год назад

We're in Michigan and lost grid power for 6 days in the recent storm. But we had solar and batteries installed last year and had absolutely no problem the whole time. We were even able to charge our iD4!

@StephaunLovelace Год назад

I'm a Comcast technician in Ann Arbor and we're still rehanging lines from those storms. It's been nuts.

@katahn Год назад

Using the seat warmers will be more efficient than using the cabin heater in most EVs and that's what you should do (assuming your vehicle has seat warmers). EVs are safer in that circumstance as there's no exhaust fumes that could potentially waft into the cabin while idling (people have died from CO poisoning in these circumstances).

@ohger1 Год назад

I've had a Tesla S for 4 years and I never cease to be amazed at people fascinated with the thought of being caught in a storm with an EV. First, it's not a problem as my car will last almost two days in camping mode with a full charge. Second, if you have to make a choice of car based on the likelihood of being stranded in a storm, you should probably move.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I've also been surprised at how many people point to this remote possibility as a reason they are concerned with electric vehicles.

@lkuhn65 Год назад

I've never been stranded on a road in a snowstorm in my entire life. I guess I'm lucky!

@jdlutz1965 Год назад

Lots of education needed for masses that think the government is taking away their freedom!

@chrisroberts3963 Год назад

@@jdlutz1965 how are they taking away your freedom in this situation?

@pennyharris446 Год назад

Tesla is great. Still its a short sight to judge people need to relocate due to snow storms.

@777Outrigger Год назад

Great video! The takeaway? If a hurricane or a snow storm is on the way, charge to full the night before, and if you have a gas car, fill your tank with gasoline too.

@chaunceysnodgress3672 Год назад

Fantastic thorough video Tom! You explained many pointers for ICE and BEV drivers being stranded in a snow emergency.

@brady783 Год назад

We were recently on a long journey, stopped on the highway in single digit temps in an ice storm for about 2 hours. We were at 24% SOC, 8 miles from our planned charge stop. This was a two lane section of highway, with nowhere to go, 5 miles from the nearest town. The ice hindered the crew's ability to move quickly, but they cleared the accident (truck driver was ok) and we slowly proceeded to our charger in a very long line of traffic. Keeping the cabin at 72°, heated seats and wheel on, we used about 2% battery to stay cozy. Pulled into the charger with 16% left. Can't plan for it, just stay prepared.

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Год назад

If you are properly dressed and prepared for winter driving and stuck in a snow storm. There is no need to have a short sleave environment in the cab. As you drop the set temperature, it will extend your battery life even longer.

@ElectricCarAustralia Год назад

Interesting video Tom. Here in subtropical Queensland Australia running the AC keeps me alive. 🤣

@TeslaJohn Год назад

Another good video Tom. I Just this weekend was in northern Minnesota driving through a snowstorm at 2F I have no problem getting to my location. I charged to 100% before I left. I get a kick out of when people say what if you run out of electricity in your battery. And I say what if you run out of gasoline in your car, the same thing you're not going anywhere.

@StevenSandhoff Год назад

This is a great baseline. It should be noted that people make a lot of heat also and so if you had people in the cab it would help keep the cabin warmer but you might also have the door open a couple times for bathroom use

@cgamiga Год назад

Folks can also use seat heaters to warm bodies, vs all the air inside cabin, MUCH more efficient.

@electrodacus Год назад

Vehicle delivers close to 2kW for heating while a human body may provide 60 to 80W so not something significant.

@vlad2838 Год назад

Superb episode, Tom! This is quite a riposte to the FUD such as that article in the WSJ claiming EVs would be doomed in a snowstorm.

@rogerjeck9281 Год назад

Tom! love the tags on that old electric beemer, I just got a '23 model s and going try for effoil here in ignorant S Dakota. Love what you do brodda!

@FthePump Год назад

Great to see this comparison. Nice job Tom.

@TechnicalLee Год назад

I did a similar test in my Mach-E at 5ºF, but set to a much warmer 68ºF inside. I came up with 36 hours of total heater time to drain 100% of the battery. Heater used about 2.5 kW on average.

@renatomoresi5246 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Tom for this information. I live in NC with a VW ID 4 so we do not have this problem , but I do go up north so good information.

@vancity2349 Год назад

Great unique test Tom.

@raymondcassar2251 Год назад

Tom I love your videos. Great job. I just got my lightning. Please Think about doing a questions answer video for the lighting.

@ronking8726 Год назад

Thanks Tom. Good job with your help on video. Preparing is key with EV And I CE.

@vincem4756 Год назад

Californian here. I had a 2013 Leaf and one day I had to quick charge to get home. I've done it dozens of times before but that evening it was storming and raining. Well the power went out at the Gilroy outlets (never seen that happen before) and the only quick charger (at the time) died right as I was charging my dead Leaf, leaving me stranded. The car was at about %18 percent and I managed to limp it to a free 240 the next town over. Somehow it made it, because distance wise it should not have. I plugged it in at an alley behind a police station and slept for 3 hours while it charged. I managed to make it home around 1am. Never again. Of course it was a 1st generation leaf and it wasn't really meant for highways or traveling from the Central Valley to the Bay Area. Point is, it's that one time you aren't expecting the worst is when it happens. Thank you for this vid 💗

@Bfranklyn731 Год назад

I live in west Michigan I drove to work 60ish miles a day for 33 years, only got stranded one time in the winter, I crashed into a semi during a white out! Totaled my car. I don't think people should worry roo much about getting stranded.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

But they do!

@Bfranklyn731 Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney good video! That should make people feel better if they had worries of being stranded

@danielschmoldt7204 Год назад

And, don't forget that seat heaters are a more efficient way to stay warm than cabin heating, either resistive heat or heat pump. So the times reported here could actually be much greater and afford occupants an even better margin of safety. Also, space blankets take up almost no room and weigh nothing, so keep a couple in the vehicle at all times. Finally, as others have said (or implied), except for medical emergencies, only Darwin Award candidates venture out in a dangerous winter storm, so some herd thinning is bound to occur.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

Yep. I would probably only use seat heaters if I though I was going to be stranded for a long period and it would last even longer.

@fatboy19831 Год назад

Excellent test thank you.

@michaellippmann4474 Год назад

Yeah...that is a scenario I do not worry about....do a ton of driving all across Canada for the last 50 years of my life. Have always been prepared according to the possible weather issues. Frankly traveling in our Kona Ultimate (w heat pump) absolutely does not concern me. And yes I have had people ask me what would we do if we where stuck in a traffic jam or a storm....and I have always asked them what would they do? All the same issue, low fuel is low fuel, be it fossil fuel or electrons! People need to prepare better for their travels....that's it! Mike

@frecklesx20 Год назад

Very informative. Great video!

@kcharles4630 Год назад

Great vid! Really appreciate the real-world assessments of EVs. One other thing to consider for ICE vehicles being stuck in a snowstorm (apart from the risk of CO poisoning while you sleep) is what does idling the engine for 2 days do to the vehicle long-term? Running down the battery to zero in an EV isn't advised (neither is burning the dregs of a gas tank for ICE) - but there's no difference in impact to the EV in using the electrons to power the motor or the HVAC.

@TheWizardofWestLA Год назад

Great test Tom. Good information to know. I think a test has been done using Tesla model 3, and it did really well. I think it was Now You Know channel. That was some years ago. Now they need to test that with the heat pump. Good Job Tom

@adamchoi8136 Год назад

This is a great explanation. Now if only we can display these explanations at gas stations we might be able to convince some people to make the switch.

@ericcomer8750 Год назад

Amazing video as always

@jd467 Год назад

Great content!

@hugoandrade1885 Год назад

Very useful information

@ericroe Год назад

Great video. I wonder if the glass roof in the Rivian contributed to extra heat loss vs the Lightning’s glass roof being covered with the shade. Seems like it makes a difference with the sun and the heat on very hot days so I’d assume the same for the cold.

@michaelmackey754 Год назад

Great video 👍

@scottcampbell9008 Год назад

If you only run the seat heater and the steering wheel heater (if you have them) and not the air heater. You will not waste energy trying to heat up the whole cab, but will instead only heat the people in the cab. Works for me when I am trying to conserver power.

@Bzzap83 Год назад

I had an unexpected travel experience last summer driving from Western NY to the North Boston area, there was a delivery truck on the highway that caught on fire - the traffic was stopped for about 2 hours. In was about 90 deg outside so in our Ioniq 5 we left the windows closed and AC on and used only about 1% of our battery to stay comfortable and have the radio on. Some of the gas fueled trucks and cars around us were turning off their engines to conserve fuel, perhaps they were low on fuel and planning to stop at the next exit. I’ve noticed the same efficiency in winter when remote working in my Ioniq 5 parked sometimes for a few hours between meetings.

@bowefamilyEV Год назад

Cool thing with the Lightning is if you had that much charge, you could also give a little boost and charge a nearby EV that maybe is low if needed.

@freddiecarr7602 Год назад

Yes----this is real world! Thank you.

@haroldwalma255 Год назад

Having grown up in the Midwest you should never have the heat up to where you need to take off your cold weather gear to be comfortable. If you are ever incapacitated driving in near to below zero weather you could die of hypothermia before help can get to you. A brother got stuck in a blizzard in Colorado Springs and came close to dying. By the time help arrived his ICE vehicle was almost buried with snow... dangerous to run in ICE vehicle as mentioned...

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

Agreed. I had it turned up higher than most people would.

@markmuir7338 Год назад

It would be interesting to test the idea of repeatedly heating up and letting it cool down - to see if that really does use less energy. I'd be surprised if it did. Most EVs use a heat pump for heating the cabin, and variable speed heat pumps typically are more efficient running at a constant low output rather than blasting out at maximum.

@berthogendoorn2133 Год назад

The Rivian has a lot higher phantom discharge when off, so I would assume that that draw would also happen leading to less efficiency when on and heater running.

@cyco1978 Год назад

Great video useful information, can you do a new video on vampire drain on the new software updates

@rtkracht Год назад

Living in Texas, I found this test mildly interesting… it does get me excited thinking about the future test you’ll be doing analyzing the cool down performance of both trucks during a hot & humid summer day after they’ve been sitting in the sun all morning. Now that, I can get into!

@cgamiga Год назад

AC is usually more power-efficient than heating, at least if the cars use resistive heating instead of heat pump (Tesla, Nissan)... however, a car w/ glass in the sun, might accept more heat energy to have to counter, vs a car sitting in the cold, partially insulated... interesting question

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

Why wouldn’t the truck be in a car port, in the shade, or otherwise protected from the sun? Wouldn’t that improve its service life?

@rtkracht Год назад

You’ve never had to park your vehicle in an open parking lot on a hot day? I don’t know where you live, but in Texas, that’s a common occurrence.

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

@@rtkracht For sure, but you said "all morning" and I wouldn't park in a parking lot for very long (I try to keep my errands short and sweet). So I got the impression it had been parked somewhere unprotected from the night before, from what you'd said, but fair enough if you meant something different. :)

@peiguy1982 11 месяцев назад

I have a lightning Pro on order. Finally available for retail customers up here in Canada. Watched the launch video and base truck was XLT up until this year. Look forward to seeing what electric is like to live with. Canada is low allocation for these, so I could be waiting 4 months to a year.

@EpicConspiracy Год назад

Taking delivery of my lighting next week. If I charge my battery to 100% every night how much faster will it really last compared if I charged it to 85% every night?

@starshipdriver8536 Год назад

If that lady stuck in the snow storm had an electric vehicle she would have been alive today, because no carbon monoxide poisoning.

@Longsnowsm Год назад

People have to plan and prepare. Regardless if you have a gasoline/diesel or EV. You do not want to get caught unprepared. You certainly don't want to be running low on fuel/energy and getting stranded on the road. Plan ahead and don't put yourself in a bad place. The rules are the same for both both gasoline/diesel/electric. Knowledge and planning is a powerful thing.

@andrewt9204 Год назад

I'd like to see the data, but I wonder how much energy keeping the HVAC off (or lowest setting) and utilizing seat heating would use comparatively. I'm thinking maybe you're on the tail end of your trip and get stuck with only 15-20% left, and still need some energy to get to your destination or else you'd have to be towed. Last winter my heat pump quit working as the active shutter got iced shut from freezing road spray and it was about -10F. I still had 25 miles to go so I just used the seat and steering wheel heater. The cabin air was freezing and my face was quite cold, but the seat and wheel heaters were enough to keep me reasonably comfortable wearing just a somewhat thick hoodie.

@STRET24 Год назад

@Tom love your content, keep it up! Pretty sure at the start you said both vehicles would be kept at 65F and speed "1" on fan overnight but at 10:22 mark looks like the Rivian is set at 67F while at the 11:30 mark the Ford is at 62F setting. One or both of those may just be ambient temps showing but thought I'd ask in case. Not familiar w/ those screens.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I explain in the video I was trying to get both vehicles to maintain similar interior temperatures. I had to raise the Rivian's heating set point and lower the Lighting's to do so because the Lightning's heater does work better, I've noticed that while driving. I need to set the Rivian's at a slightly higher temperature to be comfortable

@MrNollemans Год назад

Hey, that is a good winter testing! I just was wondering too heat pump vs resistant heating. Just as to note; clear the exhaust pipe while snow is piling up. Question: how would a heat pump survive piling up snow, while it needs airflow to obtain heat? Is one car better than another? Actually, winters are less cold than before, so I would not expect to survive such kind of weather. But, you never know, just to be informed and to have a good knowhow.

@highrafterranch1982 Год назад

First!!!😂. Really thought the Rivian would do better because it’s cab is significantly smaller than the F150. It would definitely be more comfortable to be stuck in an F150, especially if you were in the back seat.

@frugalliving73 Год назад

Nice video. Which truck do you like better?

@eugeniustheodidactus8890 Год назад

I charge my Model Y once a week. I think I can survive a 5-day power outage. If not... I'll drive to the next county and fastcharge it.

@TassieEV Год назад

Plus if you have heated seats on instead of the ambient heater would last even longer as seat heaters are far more efficient. Do either of these use a heatpump? Also if you have a LFP battery chemistry you need to charge it to 100% more regularly.

@viplav76 Год назад

Great test. Another control factor would be the better age, condition 👍🏽

@LifeAsDane Год назад

Have you done this with A/C? Wondering if it’s similar results in the heat

@jetcontracting4244 Год назад

So how would, let’s say you crank it to 70 degrees of heat then turn off the power would it take to cool back down to freezing etc that you needed to repeat the heating process? In other words what would be the most efficient practice? Thanks

@Chris21709 Год назад

If you get a heavy snow while you're stranded, the snow on the car will insulate the cabin from any extreme cold.

@glennwhite1841 Год назад

Of course, it will help but in general, as the temperatures drop lower and lower past freezing, snowfall is less and less right?

@MarioDallaRiva Год назад

Thanks, Tom. Great information. ?: If the 12V battery had an issue during the "outage", could that affect functionality of the heating system within the EV? I watched Dave Connor video recently where his (former) Ioniq 5 12V battery died unexpectedly overnight (as has been reported by other owners) so I'm wondering if such an event could cause a problem with access to the HV battery when you're stranded and call for heat.

@jacobthompson6403 Год назад

If the car is on power from the HV battery is always maintaining the 12v

@HoundStuff Год назад

Great video, nice work on the testing! I agree with you on the Ford system, I wish they had an "enthusiast" or "nerd" mode that would give you all of the data and stats on the vehicle. Mach-E is the same as what you showed. I get that many might not want all of that but lots of us do, right?

@loriallen67 Год назад

Yes we do want the nerd info.

@tazeat Год назад

As someone who's owned numerous Fords, hold shares, and generally a fan of their approach on things, it infuriates me they don't get this. It's such a huge missed opportunity. Especially the early adopters absolutely want that info to at least be available.

@raydoolan2236 Год назад

For normal heating Tesla recommends using the seat heaters more than the space heating. One person stranded, heating just his immediate space, not the whole interior could probably extend battery life even longer

@lesterng5748 Год назад

I think I would try to run the back seat heater and blanket to see if it's warm enough?

@dilbertnewton6864 Год назад

I beleive in a tesla camp mode shuts off when the soc reaches 20%. Is there a similar cutoff in these vehicles?

@mrstyle25 Год назад

Just started, this will be interesting. I’m curious which cabin retains heat better as well.

@TheBowerbird Год назад

I have a Rivian and it retains heat insanely well. I'll park in the cold, go run, and come back hours later to a cabin that has barely shifted down in temp. It's really well insulated for deep water crossings and I think that helps.

@petebremy49 Год назад

It was 42 degrees and sunny here yesterday in Waterville Valley, NH. My Model 3 was off and parked for hours… the cabin overheat protection actually came on!

@surferdude4487 Год назад

For winter our car is equipped with: snow brush, ice scraper, shovel, traction aids, booster cables, water bottles, winter tires, cell phone charger, blankets, high boots,, a spare winter coat and we never allow the gas tank to get below half full. The only thing I would do different with a BEV is to charge the battery to 80% overnight every night. With winter clothing and blankets, I wouldn't need the cabin temperature to be any warmer than 40 F or about 5C to stay comfortable. With a BEV, I could probably hold out for about 4 days before being in serious trouble. And yes, if you get stranded in a snow storm in an ICE vehicle, you better make sure your tailpipe stays clear. Blankets Spare coat Boots

@bkanegson Год назад

Any real chance of stranding in snow, if I still need to risk driving, I'm carrying my Bluetti power station and a 12v blanket for insurance. At 40 watts +/- that localized heat source can way extend survival time in a cold vehicle, and reduce ambient heating needs. If I can access light for a folding solar panel to recharge the power station, all the better.

@TEVAssociation Год назад

Looking forward to testing Lightning next week! Do you have a favorite fro the 2 ? Which one does your wife prefer ?

@mrhickman53 Год назад

Curious if the vehicles were configured for fresh air mix or recirculated air only. With EV's there is no danger of CO, so relatively extended operation on full recirculation is possible. I would also be interested in the recommendations for length of time on recirculation vs. the number of occupants due to CO2 buildup from respiration. With an EV, there is no concern about keeping a tailpipe clear when idling to keep warm in a snowstorm, especially if one slid into a snow drift. Whether EV or ICE, an emergency blanket is always advisable for winter driving. Cars are sufficiently reliable these days that packing gear "just in case" is not so popular. Now this is from a guy that runs all-season tires through the winter and have never bothered to find my state's regulations regarding tire chains, so I'm not that prepared.

@tywebb9879 Год назад

Hi Tom, This is a very good review and should put fears at ease but I am not sure that shutting off entirely for 30 minutes will actually get you that much energy savings. You would really need to do a pull-up/pull-down of the cab to completely understand the effect of the heat/cold absorption when conditioning is turned off. I suspect it is a small value but since you try to be incredibly fair in your analysis I felt I needed to point that out. I also see you have AT tires on the Lightning but I can't seem to find a discussion on this change. If you discussed please point me to the video, if not what did you move to and why?

@robertrobertson5120 Год назад

Very interesting Tom, nice demonstration! How come the snow stays on the R1T windshield but was none on the Lightning? 50° temps should have been enough to eliminate the snow... I think anyway.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I noticed that also. I think I had the RIvian's windshield vent turned off but the Lightning's open. If anything, that would have worked against the Lightning, but it still came out on top.

@ndear2955 Год назад

Tom, you mentioned charging efficiency between the Rivian and F150. I'd love for you to do a video comparing charging efficiency between other top vehicles including Tesla.

@nevea2be Год назад

Great video Tommy. One thing concerning though in the R1S is you can’t leave the vehicle running if no one is the drivers seat. What if you have kids in the back or want to lay down in the back to take a nap. Seems a little short sighted on Rivans part.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

There is a setting that allows it, I just wanted to make 100% sure it didn't shut off during the night.

@justbecause9645 Год назад

Fastin the seat belt.

@emiliogonzalez9786 Год назад

Hey signs real crazy but why not put a generator to pick up trucks then we finish with frustration ?

@MateuszPerlak Год назад

Maybe it could be repeated for Rivian with CampMode plus some options to turn off screen, Energy use set to "stay on"

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I thought about that, but I was concerned that it might shut off if the vehicle reached a low SOC (I wasn't sure how much energy was going to be used). I turned off the Gear Guard feature, which I believe uses the most energy. I also believe most people if stranded would want the screen to stay on to play music to pass the time. I really doubt it would have made any significant difference - maybe 1% SOC. But, I think I'm going to repeat it now with camp mode on just to satisfy those asking about it. I won't produce a video on it, I'll reveal the results in the comment section here.

@m1k3j3an Год назад

F150 LIGHTNING Question: Does the LIGHTNING allow for two way pass through charging and draw? We are hoping to charge our lightning with DC direct from our house's solar array while using the 30amp 240volt to power either a trailer or power the house in the event of an outage. Can it accept charge and export power simultaneously?

@keithmcdonnell4485 Год назад

I wonder if the Ford passenger compartment is better insulated than the Rivian?

@jortega222 Год назад

Hello, and thank you for this video. I have a question along the lines of if stranded in snow or in generally short duration disaster situation and unable to get to a recharge station, as a backup, could a EcoFlow DELTA Pro Portable Power Station give you a few more hours of battery life in an EV? I know it's an odd question but think of the EcoFlow as a backup battery or "extra 6 gallons of gas" to get you to safety or help you survive in a major traffic accident that has you stuck in a major highway for hours. When I travel long distances, I bring extra water, food and a portable toilet and privy tent for my wife and I. Not used the toilet yet; but been close on two occasions. Not an EV owner yet but shopping around now. Thank you so much!!

@jortega222 Год назад

😁Never mind, I found one of your videos that answered this question. Thank you so much!!!

@pi0neerr Год назад

at -15 and below, I would like to see the test

@stevenl8687 Год назад

Each to your own Im sticking with gas or diesel plus I just love the rumble of that big V8 - not against EV just not for me. I can carry an extra 60 gallons in slip tank I also spent lots of time up In the mountains though. If your a city slicker EV might be for you.

@coltykuu 9 месяцев назад

Losing power is a concern but so is a gas shortage. A few months ago when there was a gas shortage in my area, the only people on the road were driving electric vehicles. It goes both ways but people don't really think about that.

@tazeat Год назад

When you're talking that long of times I wouldn't be surprised if the screen power on that big of a display isn't actually as negligible as you'd think. If the back light and any other use is close to 100W, you'd still be over a full kWh at 12 hours. Actually kind of curious the actual wattage of that display is... Now it also is in the cabin, so it would also count for resistive heat to help maintain cabin temps.

@barriedear5990 Год назад

I saw another test with ICE vehicles that estimated they use 0.6l/hour for each litre engine size. So a 2.5l engine would use 1.5l of fuel to idle, to heat the vehicle. You could then work out how long you could keep warm.

@steverichmond7142 Год назад

Tom, try Scotland... We don't have snow... Later today I'm going on the beach. Good experiment though.

@IronmanV5 Год назад

You missed a golden level opportunity to unlock troll level 1,000,000 Do the test again just using electric blankets, then cook breakfast and brew coffee in the morning. All from onboard power🤣

@jamesengland7461 Год назад

Bacon and eggs!

@nickolashaustein Месяц назад

Any reason you didn’t put the R1T in camp mode?

@FloatingJetsam Год назад

Have you considered a review of the Vevor EV chargers? They seem pretty well robustly made, but there isn't any in depth reviews yet that I could find... RFID and Touch Screen seem like nice features, but it only has 1 year warranty... are there other caveats to this innexpensive EVSE?

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I will at some point, but I have 9 units in boxes already waiting for me to review, so I probably won' get to that one for a while. And the 1-year warranty is a BIG negative, IMO.

@FentoZ Год назад

The rivian looks good

@binauralauto3621 Год назад

Tom, did you have the HVAC set to recerculating on both vehicles? Curious question.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

No, I didn't.

@COSolar6419 Год назад

Do either the Rivian or Ford have a heat pump? Learning to drive gas cars (45 years ago) I was always told to keep the tank at least half full, particularly in the winter. So maybe range anxiety predates EVs. Anyway,seems like a good idea with our EV as well.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

No, neither vehicles use a heat pump

@pasoroblesbruce7370 Год назад

Which generator do you recommend? Your gas one? I live in coastal central ca.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

I have a Generac and it's been great

@bigdougscommentary5719 Год назад

Any combustion engine vehicle has to fill up more when it’s towing a low just like an electric car or electric pick up would have to charge more often

@FreedomToRoam86 Год назад

Great video. A couple of things I would argue. If I was stuck in a snowstorm in my Lightning, I probably wouldn’t turn it all the way off in-between warming sessions. How would I be able to watch RU-vid on the that big beautiful center screen with the screen off? 😁 More seriously, I’d be plugging my 12v heating blanket in, or getting into my sleeping bag in the back seat, and using the compartment heater as little as possible, to make battery last longer/have more range. Also I wouldn’t trust the stated range on the truck, because it is wildly optimistic in cold weather. But it is easy to set in the ProPower settings, to keep it from running the battery below whatever mileage level the driver wants. Neither of these are complaints - I love this truck! It is the besy truck I have ever driven in snow, hands down. And the most fun to drive. But in winter, I definitely try to keep it charged, just like I kept a full tank in my gas F150 that I had beore the Lightning.

@mrhickman53 Год назад

I haven't shopped for a 12v heating blanket but it is a good idea. We use a lap blanket and the heated seats as our primary heat if we are concerned about range and have an extra cargo blanket if stranded.

@HarveyPayne Год назад

Seat heaters man. Also anyone who lives in extreme cold climates knows to have blankets, water, food, and first aid in the car at all times.

@lawrencewebb2970 Год назад

Does either of these vehicles have a heat pump or do they have resistance heaters?

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

They both have resistive heaters.

@lawrencewebb2970 Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney since 2020 the Tesla model y has been using a heat pump. It would be great to do this same test with the heat pump system. Thanks for a great video.

@JohnCap523 Год назад

A question for you, and maybe another consideration for your testing criteria. I have a standby generator. Do you know if any home charge points allow for not automatically resuming charging after a power outage? The issue is potentially overwhelming the generator. The vendors say unplug the car, but it could be 3AM or i could be out of town when the power goes off. The alternative is a load balancer but that’s additional expense.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

No, I don't. But if you're out of town, chances are the car will have most likely finished charging, unless the power went out very soon after leaving, no? The load balancers are getting much less expensive now. I have three of them connected to my generator for three high-power circuits.

@JohnCap523 Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I heard Kyle mention on your garage tour, older cars required the door to be opened and closed before they would resume charging after an interruption. I like that idea, or a switch on the charger…

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

@JohnCap For Your specific need, Yes. However, most people want their EV to automatically resume charging when there's a temporary interruption, like a short power outage.

@JohnCap523 Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yea, we’re not all in the same situation, so it should be our call, if even just a dip switch inside the unit, although with smart units it certainly could be a software toggle. I’m pretty confident somewhere along the line it will prove to be an issue for someone else as standby generators continue to proliferate.

@Irish_Mike_NYC Год назад

I had to delete the $500 mobile charger off my Lightning order, can you recommend a good aftermarket one?

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

Quite honestly, the Ford mobile charger is an excellent choice because it is dual voltage. There aren't many dual voltage portable chargers that are better for Lightning owners. Also, the Lightning's mobile charger is specifically made for the truck because it will limit the power output to 30-amp for charging other EVs from the Pro Power onboard (if you have the 9.6 kW system). Other portable chargers will try to deliver 32-amps and Pro Power onboard will shut off. I would reconsider canceling it, honestly. Its a very good charger that comes with 120-v and 240-v adapter, making it very versatile, plus you can use it to charge other EVs

@Irish_Mike_NYC Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I already got my truck & I’ve been looking to buy the ford one but dealers say it’s only with an order & can’t seem to buy it stand alone

@flamingstag2381 Год назад

xlnt work !

@cypercharged Год назад

Do they use PTC heater or heat pump?

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

No heat pump in either truck

@1981Frederick Год назад

i think if you have the heating seat, it's even more efficient to keep you warm

@MichaelEricMenk Год назад

I always pack sleeping bags when driving in winter over the mountains.. If you are unlucky, you can be stuck for a long time waiting for a convoy. And they have the right to turn you away if they decide you are not sufficient prepared... You should never rely on your cars heating for survival...

@kendavis1198 Год назад

I just thought????? That's Nearly $200,000.00 worth of TRUCK'S Sitting in that SNOW???? Good Information, Great Video. And most Likely NO Asphyxiation If you ever did get STUCK and had to RUN the EV With the Windows Up and Covered in Snow???? I would Assume??? Makes Sense, no Gasoline being Burned and No Exhaust Gases!?

@tedgray489 Год назад

Great test, but here is another variable that should help the battery last longer. The human body also throws off heat. Therefore the cabin heat could be set lower or at your setting the heater might not need to run as often to maintain interior temp. Not sure how the moisture from breathing would affect things.

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Год назад

Yeah, this wasn't meant to be very scientific. There are a LOT of factors and things I could have changed. Using seat heaters, for instance, would have allowed me to lower the cabin heater and the occupant would still be more than warm enough.

@tedgray489 Год назад

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yeah, thought about the seat heaters also. The best part is that you have basically put to rest that a person is just going to freeze to death in an EV compared to an ICE car. Your rebuttal is what I have been saying to friends that put down my EV’s. Good Work…