Definitely. That isn’t a weird move or anything. No it doesn’t accomplish anything, but for a sub 1000 elo player it is a very natural move. I wouldn’t assume he is sniping based on that move.
Yeah, I really don't get his point. I know rook c1 can just end the game but it isn't that obvious why and the queen move that happened in the game doesn't even blunder the winning position. It was a very reasonable move for a 600 rated player and to conclude he must be streamsniping is just stupid.
@@TraxoLP yeah he has to feel important enough so he makes a narrative about how a move that most players under 1000 would make instantly can only be possible if they're stream sniping such a godlike chess prodigy
@@littleoldmanboy yeah probably just saw a check that doesn't obviously blunder a piece and went for it. 600s are hard to predict early but late game just find a check and they'll play it.
Stream snipers getting tricked is probably one of the most satisfying moments ever for streamers when they are playing chess especially that Qc4 Daneil Naroditsky
I still don't get that tactic. Rook takes rook is good there right? if you take the queen, your opponent gets two rooks and a bishop against your queen and if you take back the rook then rook takes, takes, and the knight is taken
I love that last one from Jerry so much because not only does he say it is a strong move but he gives a reasonable sounding explanation for someone who is not going to look deeper into it plus he acts it all out as if it was a mistake believably enough that they sniper fell for it. It is my favorite stream sniper tactic moment righty now.
@@geliscona 1700 would probably miss it especially in a rapid game, and when a 2500 is explaining why it is a good move you dont tend to think too much
lmaoo, I remember seeing that clip years ago when it first was uploaded, I couldn't stop laughing! And then as chess got more popular on twitch, it leads to some obvious / sus moments (in educational content especially.) so I had to make a vid to get revenge on them, hehe And had to put the OG stream sniper swindle in the end X)
@@thechesshistorian even if you don't see the wide open king you could still take a rook and knight in exchange for a queen and not have to resign right?
I just think it's fascinating that we live in a time where this is a thing. Not only are we able to play a game of chess with anyone in the world, but the world itself can be watching, and you can communicate your thoughts to the world, so even your opponent can essentially hear your thoughts, just to be tricked by you assuming he hears your thoughts, and everyone just watches this unfold for entertainment. Magical!
I don't know whether the guy was stream sniping or not, but in the second clip Qc4 is a totally understandable move for a 600 player to make. Like Hikaru said, it's a move that simultaneously puts your opponent in check while also not sacrificing any obvious pieces. That's basically 2/2 for what 600 players are looking for in a move
Yes + if he was stream sniping he would have played this move one turn before as Hikaru was already suggesting it heavily. Once again Hikaru and his massive ego saying dumb shits
Queen check by lower rated player is normal. He could not know if it was good or bad move, he just played it. And he did not play it when it was suggested, but two moves later. I don't see anything suspicious. I don't understand Hikaru here
It sounded like the person had been playing moves based on what Hikaru was suggesting before the clip starts. Queen check was probably just him trying to confirm his suspicions. Since he just claimed the dude might be stream sniping then suggested the check, the guy may have played something else at first on purpose. I could be wrong but that was my read of it.
Could be stream delay. And also Hikaru was suspicious at first since the guy kept doing moves Hikaru mentioned. High level moves. And then to blunder the Queen like that just makes no sense
hikaru has stream delay maybe Might just be a coincidence but the move happens at 1:45 and the move got finished being explained like 30 seconds earlier
Hikaru has a tendency to cry sniper. I noticed it in several of his FOW videos, where a reasonable move based on what his opponent could actually see is labeled as evidence of sniping.
Somebody else here said that's missing context from the stream, the guy had been playing very high level moves right after Hikaru suggested them so he got kinda sus
Hikaru has a history of accusing everyone and their mother of chesting/stream sniping. 1000 rated player plays a single good move? Obviously stockfish 600 rated player makes a non-obvious blunder 3 moves after Hikaru talked it? about it? Sniper confirmed.
2:09 I’m proud of my self for seeing the tactic before he explained it. He made up a bunch of nonsense saying he’s losing a rook when in reality he wins a rook if black attacks with his bishop and takes the pawn in retaliation.
I never seen something like this before, it was actually interesting. Though I feel like it would be hard to play as you normally would for both parties if you going to do something like this.
lol the transition between naroditsky actually baiting a sniper and hikaru pretending a 600 rated player will only check his opponent for no gain if he's watching his stream
i feel very stupid after watching these types of videos. I didn't understand why qc4+ was a bad move at all. Then i analyzed it and it was just missing mate in 9 lol. Its literally the second best black move and evalation is -10.2. That is a very good move for my level .
I don't think you're stupid at all, I just think in the case of patchless games like chess - So many people have gotten so ridiculously good that regular audiences can feel left in the dust a lot of times (including me and I love the game!)
It's a bad move, because Nxe5 threatens the queen giving you a tempo on the rook exchanges. Incidentally keeping the queen on c6 runs you into the same problem unless you can present a bigger threat. I didn't run it through an engine though, so I could be missing something
@@chaosblitz7921 Oh crap, you're right. Hikaru is often way beyond us mere mortals when it comes to chess. He is afterall one of the very best in the world.
I feel like second clip is a dice toss. Qc4 is a natural move for a 600 rated player. It's hard to see what exactly you should do, so just getting a check seems like the correct option to a 600 rated player. Clips 1 and 3 were for sure stream snipers.
With the Hikaru one, what's the continuation that makes QC4 such a bad move? I'm having difficulty seeing it. Edit: I plugged it into Stockfish and it's a bad move, but white still has a massive advantage. Plus, xQc moved his king the wrong way
To be fair to the guy in Hikaru's video, Qc4 may be a garbage move, but garbage moves are what 600s play. Then you must also consider it is a check, and one-move checks are also things 600s like to do.
There was high probability any one would check king in tough spot.... And he said that move ages ago, by the time opponents played it board was heavily changed
It’s not sure that the second video is stream sniper based on that move alone. It’s 600rated chess player and there’s a check on the board, they’ll likely take it. He knew that the pawn take is bad, he would make plays somewhere else on the board and there’s a check. I played low level players too so I know their “natural” moves
i'm not very good at chess, so i'd probably give a 50/50 that a couple of those moves are something i'd unironically make on my own thinking i was getting an advantage
Both Qc4's seemed like reasonable mistakes for their ratings tbh. I'm most inclined to believe chessnetwork's was a real snipe, even though he was the least accusative.
2:32 lol i like how bishop b4 is easily escapable… u just take the bishop, he retakes with the pawn, then u give a check with ur queen to e3 or something, he defends the king first, then u get a free rook
ngl, when i was in grade school & competing chess, my coach told me that if i intentionally sac a piece, especially a queen, i should act like i made a blunder so my opponent won't even think twice abt taking. acting def is a tactic & i'd recommend doing this in low elo tourneys.
Duh some streamer think a bit too high about themselfs.. As if giving a check or attacking the queen would be super unnatural moves. But I guess always good to have some backup excuse just in case :D reminds me of league of legends when people pretended every time there was an invade the enemy would be stream sniping even though that's a natural thing happening to every player. As if playing a decent looking move that runs into a tricky tactics somehow is such a rare thing in chess lmao
naroditsky's seemed most plausibly a snipe. the others I don't even think were 50/50. like they were just noob player mistakes directed at obvious tensions or opportunities (i.e. a check) on the board
The guy playing xqc was too low rated, that was an acceptable move at that level, it's a check. Chess network was playing a 1700 though the highest rated opponent of the 3, he should have seen the check escape, but *someone* planted the idea that it was a hanging queen in his head :)
