Love the video!! I only buy 4k I love on sale. That way I will be able to keep the movie forever. The rest I will just stream but I agree that eventually streaming will most likely take over the platform. Physical media will be purchased from true enthusiasts.
I’ve thought about this and physical media is only any good if you have hardware to play it and as we have seen with samsung they no longer manufacture 4K blu ray players
@@browniesg161 Sony invented the Blu-Ray, so 4K Blu-Ray players are not going anywhere soon. This includes the PS5. Even if/when they stop making them, they will be readily available in the used market. People are still playing their laser disc collections.
I rip my 4K disks to ISO files then put them in a case and hopefully never have to open them again. I know Kodi can playback ISO files, you just don't get menus, at least on the Shield Pro 2019. That doesn't solve everything though. Dolby Vision is actually pretty complicated. Right now, there is profile 4, 5 ,7 (MEL and FEL) and 8. Profile 7 is what is used on 4K disks. Profile 4 is STD, which is where the display does the dynamic tone mapping. I don't believe their is currently a big name streaming device that can do profile 7. I know Noether the shield not ATV4K can. Profiles 5, 7 and 8 are LLDV (player does dynamic tone mapping). It was developed by Sony and Dolby Labs. Since the player (Shield Pro 2019, ATV4K Gen1/2, others) does the dynamic tone mapping, it's essentially sent as a static HDR10 444 signal. Any 4K HDR display can playback LLDV. With a non DV capable display, the picture is still washed out but not all green like with STD. This is how you get DV on a non DV display with an HDFury device. It's also why MS was able to do a software update to support DV. With LLDV, it's software based. With STD, a dedicated chip had to be built into the display by the manufacturer. I always wondered why Marvel movies were only HDR10. Disney has probably planned on this to make its streaming platform more appealing since it's got DV, Atmos, ect.. which is another"buzz word" used to often. Dolby Atmos and DTS-X are not actually sound formats. Atmos is metadata for spatial sound effects embedded in either a DD+ or TrueHD signal. Every streaming service uses DD+ (lossly, compressed but mult channel) for Atmos. Every 4K disk uses True-HD (lossless audio, equivalent to the master). DTS-X is the same, metadata bedded in a DTS-MA (lossless) or DTS signal. Since DTS only tends to be used on 4K disks now, it's almost always DTS-MA The difference between lossy and lossless is going to depend on your system. You won't notice a difference on a 100/200 Soundbar. You would if you have higher end wireless setups (Sonos ARC, Sony A9's, HT-A7000, ect.) but nothing beats a dedicated receiver or pre-processor and a dedicated AMP and hard wired speakers. I work with a guy that has a 7.4.2 setup. 4 overhead and 2 subs. I almost fell during a demo during heavy rain because it was so realistic and rain makes me tired, it was that good. Video wise disks are far superior. What I don't get is why movie makers haven't moved to a "higher end" service. Games can go over 100GB once all is said and done. Most 4K disks are way less, with Lord of the Rings trilogy being the only ISO's I have over 100GB. Almost all steaming content is 24fps but most players default to 60hz because 3:2 pulldown is cool I guess... Let people preorder movies so it's downloaded like games so it's ready to go the day it's released. Before anyone says anything about piracy, it's already out there and not hard to find. In fact, the Marvel remuxs looks better than anything else. They somehow extract the DV and embed it into a MKV or MP4 file 9f.the 4K disks video stream. Best of both worlds. Kind of like the despecialized star wars trilogy afterLucas ruined the DVDs. Fans can do amazing things. I also find it odd regarding the lack of HDR10+ content that is available. Bohemian Rhapsody looks amazing and with the right sound system, you will definitely notice a difference between lossy and losses. So yes, there is a reason for high bandwidth movies and tv shows, just not in disk formats. For purchase to own and can be downloaded again later to conserve disk space, just like games. The model is already there and movies would still almost always be smaller than games regarding download size and don't need 10GB day 1 patches either. Ok recently bought a Dune Pro Vision 4K Solo and the video/audio quality is far superior to the shield or ATV4K. It does all current DV profiles, HDR 10+ and HLG. Android is limited regarding reaction and HDR. Best you will get is 4lK no HDR outside RU-vid which does HDR. Not sure if they didn't pay the fees or if the streaming providers intentionally limit some android devices. Netflix is 4K no HDR while prime is 480p only. Yet, this thing can playback both the 400Mbps jellyfish files with absolutely no issues +h264 and h265. The only media player I've owned that can do that.
We need a combination of both. Streaming is great for casual viewing of a wider library. Physical media is for the best titles you always want to have.
I absolutely still buy physical media and will continue to. Streaming just cannot compare to the quality of what a physical disc provides. The visual aspect alone can be immediately noticed by someone who is not even into the home theater experience. I've gotten countless comments from friends on how a movie looks compared to how it looked when they've watched it at home via streaming. A few have even took to upgrading to a 4K player and now buying 4K movies they like to start their collection.
I bet you have a higher end tv. It’s not the disc quality they’re noticing. It’s the high end tv picture quality. I have a lg cx and a Apple TV 4K. Dolby vision streaming looks phenomenal on it, a lot of the times it looks better than my most of my 4K discs on hdr10. Picture wise I really couldn’t notice the difference side by side. Audio on the other hand is a massive difference on a disc. It sounds noticeably clearer and more full
@@ItsDavidWolf actually, I don't even hv a 4K tv. I hv about 100 3D movies so main viewer is a Vizio M Series passive 3D 1080p TV. My TV is about 5 yrs old. So no, I don't hv the newest greatest technology packed television. And myb4k player is an LG that is does not even hv built-in wifi and it's also a.good 4-5 yrs old as a walmart black Friday special. And with the new cables I recently got and that setup, ALL my movies hv new life to them. And I'm not the only one that has seen it over the past couple years.
I will always be an advocate for physical media regardless if it is music, movies , video games or books. It’s just nice to have something tangible and ready at your disposable. Last month Comcast was having difficulties in my area and my internet was down for almost 2 days. Thank god I still had my blu rays to help with the boredom
That's a big thing everywhere. Currently in my area they are laying new cables and the internet speeds are abysmal. The lowered resolution on streaming has been horrific to look at. I will always buy the upgraded tech and physical media, especially of high end action/sci-fi/fantasy movies and shows to maintain the highest possible fidelity. It doesn't compare when it comes to quality, only the convenience of streaming.
I swore I’d never buy a physical disc again… but recently, after setting up my OLED tv and 5.1 surround sound, I tried a 4K disc and compared it to streaming… it was so much better, and I had an absolute blast. My brother and I now do weekly movie nights where one of us buys a movie, and we watch it. It’s been awesome. Also, I love the special features on these discs. The behind the scenes content is so fun to watch.
@@fabolousjada5070 I am hooked up to a dual band router, on the 5GHz frequency. So I do get really good download speeds beyond what is needed for good 4K streaming. While I’m not wired in, it’s more than enough juice. It seems like it’s more the quality being provided by the streaming service. They compress it to some extent regardless of how fast your DL speed is. And it varies platform to platform. It still looks good, but the 4K disc is better all around. Sound and visual quality. And in some cases it’s night and day. Especially in sound.
I'll do you one better, on my computer, 1080p gaming monitor and about the cheapest soundbar I could find at Ollie's, a Blu-ray rip beats streaming 4k. ::EDIT:: that's on hardwired gigabit internet
@@sboeke91yup. Although the bit rates in some apps, such as Apple TV, is very respectable and getting better with time. What I despise about these greedy corps though is they now need you to buy “premium” to get 4K content. It’s 2024, 4K should be the standard.
The answer is yes, physical media reigns supreme. Having an actual collection for guests and family to see, hold, read and reminisce is priceless. A platform can only show so much and the platform's taste is being forced on us. Once all these streamers have their own content ONLY, we'll be back to paying hundreds of $ for multiple services.
Absolutely! In my view, movies on disc are as good as it gets, so I just have zero interest in streaming. And to me, our greatest treasure here happens to be our collection of movies on disc, that consists of 1,067 movies on 1080p Blu-ray, 43 movies on 4K UHD Blu-ray (and 2 full length documentaries on 4K Blu), along with approximately 730 movies that my wife and I have on DVD, which all add up to a collection I wouldn't even trade for a new car, especially since a number of our movies are no longer available on disc, and a new car wouldn't do much for us anyway, since the stores are only 5 blocks away, and we'd rather just stay home & watch movies on our 77" Sony A9G OLED, instead of wasting any time traveling.
They can also change the content on a whim, according to the current idea of acceptable discourse/narratives. I watched blazing saddles on hbo and had to sit through a 10 minute explanation beforehand on why it’s allowed on the platform.
Such a good point on tastes and preferences. Netflix was the first platform that came to mind. A few years ago they aggressively tried to only push their content like that
This is a ridiculous comment. For starters, having an actual collection to hold and read the package is not an argument when it comes to the question of the content quality. Next, you seem to be utterly unaware that digital storefronts existed for ages - iTunes is around since 2003. You just buy movies there, for much cheaper than the disc version and access it on your TV in Library section. But your argument doesn't even hold up when it comes to streaming services - Netflix is known for its deep personalization and quite good recommendations. Unfortunately, some other streaming services have a lot of catching up to do in that area, particularly Canadian Crave.
I still love buying and watching physical discs. For me, looking at the box art, taking the disc out and navigating the menu are part of the experience. That said, I've definitely noticed a huge leap forward in the quality of video streaming.
After buying the new LG C1 and a Dolby Atmos surround setup, I instantly went back to Best Buy and picked up their best Blue Ray player and have been building my 4K disc collection since. DEFINITELY noticeably better on a disc!!!
@@thaprofound vizio m512a-h6 until I get into a home I can do an actual AV receiver and in wall true speakers. This thing paired with my LG C1 is pretty immaculate!
I love the ease of streaming but I also love collecting my favorite films. I hate having to search 5 different streaming services for one movie, only to find it's something I have to rent or subscribe to a new service for.
Finally upgraded to a 4k qled tv, ps5, and a 2.1 klipsch system this year and got back into physical media. The 4k disc of Dune (2021) will change anyones mind on streaming vs. physical media. There is no comparison on the audio its just straight up better on disc. Streaming is awesome just for the amount of content you get access to for a low buy in; but for the best possible quality on my favorite films its just a no brainer i will make sure to find the 4k disc.
The point about value is simply not true. At least one digital store - iTunes - gives you access to special features with movies, and from what I've seen, they are always 100% matching the recent physical release. The difference in price is quite significant though - with weekly sales on iTunes you can get a movie for about three times cheaper than the disc version. For example, the recent re release of Enter the Dragon on a disc was $32 in Canada, and was selling on iTunes for $9.99, with the exact same bonus features and the latest 4K HDR master. I don't know about audio (iTunes sounds incredible on my Sonos setup) but the value is definitely on the side of the digital. And that's why more and more people choose to go with it every day. By the way, Dune was a terrible movie, can't believe they went with 2.39:1 throughout. For a space movie something like that is simply unforgivable.
I only buy physical media and I don't stream. I don't think streaming will ever overtake physical media. In fact I think the trend will reverse and physical media will sell much more than streaming. It is the same situation with books; years ago people predicted digital books would overtake physical books, but the trend reversed and physical books have over taken digital books. There is just something about owning the physical thing that appeal to the human nature and digital ownership just can't satisfy it.
With streaming services you don't own the movie. If Netflix, Disney+ or Hulu decides to stop offering a movie you have no say to keep it. With physical media that movie will always be with you.
I am paying Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max and last year Prime Video... but most of the times that I want to watch an specific movie... I need to use the Bluray or UHD... last time, Ghostbusters 1 and 2 before to go to the cinema to watch Afterlife... So I've bought Ghostbusters Afterlife in UHD too...
@@wendigo374 BoJack Horseman is an original Netflix series (and a popular one at that), so it won’t get removed from that streaming service, because they own and made the show.
It’s tough to beat the convenience of streaming, and it’s probably the best option for “casual” viewers without a higher-end setup. That said, physical media is still my go-to. A 4K disc on the right setup will blow you away. Plus, it’s pretty damn satisfying to look at on a shelf.
Why not both? They already have the business model. Buy digital, downloads to a console "just an example", before it's out. This happens when you preorder a game. It downloads. You simply can't play it until the clock hits a date. I only own 4 UHD disks that are over 100GB. The three Lord of the rings movies and one other that I can't think of but 3+ hour runtimes, still 60 to 70Mbps. If it works for games, why not movies? While I don't condone it, we all know that no amount of tricks have prevented stuff from leaking early. I prefer to buy.
If you have a higher end set up like a oled top tier or mid tier you wont see the difference between the disc and stream especially with your tv hooked up to a ethernet
No matter which streaming provider, the bit rate of audio and video content cannot match physical media. If you are an audio video freak like me, streaming will never cut it when it comes to audio and video perfection. 😎
@@mastixencounter you're not wrong. BUT the advantage with Kaleidescape is that you can download the movie first. When you have the complete uncompressed file like that and no streaming, the bit rate trumps what's on a disc.
Streaming will eventually catch up with physical media. Streaming is now better than DVD ever was. Before long, 10 gb speed will be the norm and it'll put bluray to shame.
You mean 10 gb internet? I now currently the one some companies offer is 1 gig internet. I currently have the 200 mbps for 49.99. 1 gig goes for 89.99 and guess what? It's not even available in my area. Most people I know have even less than 200 mbps. Most people have 50, I have 200 because I like to game. I just don't think the Infrastructure in the US will catch up anytime soon for streaming to beat blu rays. We also have another point, online they can be taken down any time by streaming services. Like The Office being taken away from Netflix because the owners wanted to make their own service. Now you are paying for yet another service. And another point is they can sensor shit whenever they feel like it. What if in 10 years something that is accepted today is now deemed offensive? They can just change the version on their streaming service. I think It's gonna be a while. I currently use streaming, but have a few blu rays but just wanted to put this out there for fun.
@@raymondhernandez5558 I have a 1G int speed up and down with fiber for around $75. This speed is good enough for what I need but they have made 2G and 5Gb speeds available but for so much more, $129 and $189, that I don't find it worth it for me.
Absolutely I still do. There is so much they can put on a disc vs streaming that it's still worth it to me. Nothing more disappointing then compromised sound or picture quality via streaming.
I couldn't disagree more! A significantly more disappointing aspect is when the film itself is the bottleneck, not the 4k disc/stream. Hollywood movies nowadays are primarily shot in less than 4k resolution, and with digital intermediates most common at 2k. It's completely embarrassing that extremely low budget trash from the 50s is capable of being sharper than the latest marvel movies!
Regardless of the quality, the disk will almost always be a better choice because the movies on the stream will not always be there. Eventually they will be taken off the service. Your physical collection will still be there.
Not enitrely true. It's highly likely that titles will still be available to stream on platforms like Disney+. Also, there is no guarantee that players will indefinitely be manufactured to play your physical media. Don't get me wrong, I'm a collector myself, but you have to be able to see both sides of the coin. At this moment, nothing is certain.
@@browniesg161 There are 2 new players on the market, the French Reavon high end player and another one which I forget the name of, I think a Chinese model. Also, Sony, Panasonic and LG still make 4K players. Unfortunately Oppo and Samsung have quit, although Samsung were never great anyway. I'm optimistic that bluray players will be around for a long time.
My kid loves Pacific Rim & I put it on for him recently on Netflix. I was STUNNED at how poor it looked compared with the 4K disc. The quality IS that bad on streaming.
Pacific Rim is one of my favorites to demo to people when I show off my living room. The HDR colors and surround sound on the 4k disc are impressive to say the least.
Agreed, but even if streaming comes to match 4K, there will be other issues unresolvable for physical collectors. The artwork, having a tangible collection on a shelf, as well as ownership. These cannot be replicated by streaming.
Old thread but I just have to bump in because Pacific Rim is also one of my favorite movies to demo on my setup and I was disappointed to see how it looks on Netflix. The only difference is that I'm using Google Play version. I never bought the disc because I had Google points that were about to expire and I decided to redeem than for this movie instead. Buying movies digitally is not the same as streaming them - Netflix and Prime Video often use heavily compressed 4K UHD titles on their end in order to make the format accessible to as many people as possible (and save them from frustration - "I paid for 4K HDR plan but it plays only FullHD"). Digital storefronts don't tend to do that AFAIK. Pacific Rim looks and sounds incredible on my setup (QLED TV and Sonos soundbar), no artefacts or issues with resolution even in action scenes. Granted, I cannot compare it to the disc version but even if it's slightly better it's difficult to justify paying three times more (I see it on sale on iTunes every second month basically).
@@MovieUniversity It should be a crime to watch Pacific Rim in 4K.. aka 2D. It's a 3D masterpiece. the 3D Blu-Ray is the only way to watch this movie. 3D>4K all day long.
I just got into 4K blue rays and I am glad I did. For me it’s mostly about the mental shift away from streaming, which for me devalued my movie watching from something I do in an intentional way and really savor, to something I do reflexively and unthinkingly to pass time. I love owning my favorites and it gives me joy to see them on the shelf. Also, the special features on a lot of discs have really enhanced my enjoyment of the movies I watch, particularly classics, which have so much richness that I would have missed if I just watched them on a whim on a streaming service. But to each his own! I’m glad there’s a choice.
I am an ardent buyer of physical media. A good friend of mine who does not and streams everything got a hard dose of reality about streaming a couple of weeks ago when he suggested we sit down and watch a Star Trek TOS episode. There he looked. Hulu? Gone. Amazon? Gone. Netflix? TOS gone. He was flabbergasted. I own all remasters of TOS and TNG knowing this was going to be the future. He did not...until now.
And paramount+ sucks too. No 4K support and I’m not sure if they’ve brought surround sound to the platform yet either. They’re the worst streaming service in my opinion.
Great video with interesting facts on streaming vs physical discs. I still purchased physical media. Got a 4H/HDR Sony a few months ago that convinced me to by 4K BluRay when getting favorite movies.
I love 4K physical media! They just seem to have better picture and sound quality. Most discs also come with a digital download code! Once I watch the disc on my home theatre I bring the discs up to my cottage because the wifi isn’t great and I’ll use the digital copy to watch at home. Also with the digital codes you can download the films right to your phone and watch while camping without data. I find streaming services only allow you to download certain movies, not all of them. Also sometimes I go to rewatch a movie on the streaming service and they have removed it and now you can’t watch it anymore.
If you own a decent surround set up you will always go for disc as the sound is always better, the bit rates on disc will trounce anything on streaming at the moment.
I regularly buy both blue ray and DVDs simply because the type of films I watch are not available for streaming. I did however notice how crisp the sound and picture is in blue ray!
Exactly! All the cult, art house and boutique label content is there but in very short supply. For my $, my investment in Arrow Video's platform, it's like having all the discs along with the bonus content. Don't know what their subscription #s are like but pound for pound they are killing it.
I still buy 4K Blu-rays but on a case by case basis. Some 4K BR movies are not much of an improvement on standard Blu-Rays so don't justify the expense. Some of the 4K movies are up-scaled and not true 4K, and others are ruined by digital smoothing used to to reduce film grain. 4K streaming is quite good but I doubt we'll see the quality match physical media anytime soon.
Any movie, I didn't already own, I would get on 4k over bluray. I definitely understand people who can't justify buying a 4k disc, when they already have the bluray. Now that I have a LG C1, I notice a significant difference in 4k UHD, over regular 1080p blurays. My previous budget 4k TV had awful HDR, so 4k wasn't a big upgrade. Now I want to get everything in 4k with UHD because it looks so amazing. I watch shows and first time watch movies on streaming all the time, but once I know I want the movie, I download it or buy it.
What I love most about my Ultra HD 4K Blu-Ray discs are the immersive lossless Dolby TrueHD Atmos and DTS:X soundtracks. That is the primary difference, for me, between physical media and streaming.
@@MovieUniversity I noticed that right away when I first started watching 4k discs. The sound was incredible and actually less taxing on my amplifier and speakers. The only issue is finding the best player as Sony has been letting me down. I may have to go with another brand.
Movies that I have purchased in 4-K the Apple store are all very high quality and all have all the high end sound like, DTSX, Dolby Atmos, etc. The picture quality was outstanding just like the physical disc. I still own my physical collection and will not give that up. To be fair movies that are downloaded and purchased fro Apple is far superior to Netflix or Prime. I only do Apple. But we all know that sooner or later(more sooner) streaming is going to take over just like it did for CD's. NO one buys CD's anymore.
Two comments: 1. Digital purchases streamed from Apple on the Apple TV stream at much higher rates than Netflix, Disney or HBO Max. I routinely get 65-85 Mbps on my digital streams. Vincent Teoh at HDTV test has done a comparison video between 4K blu rays and the same movie streamed via the Apple TV to two identical calibrated OLED’s and he found the images to be virtually indistinguishable from one another. Sound is another issue but because Atmos streams are not lossless whereas 4K blu rays sound mostly is. But I have a pretty nice 5.1.2 surround sound system (Aperion speakers and a Denon AVR) and the Ive never found myself lamenting the sound quality of these streamed movies. The fact that I can pick up a 4K Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos copy with all the extra features for half or a third of the price of the 4K disc makes me not so concerned about that small bump in sound quality I’m missing. 2. Blu rays are bound to our internet overlords just as much as digital copies are. The ability to playback a disc is only possible if your player software allows it. Personally I think the worry over companies “revoking” access to digital movies is overblown but its worth noting that the same thing could happen to a blu ray. We don’t actually “own” BDs or digital copies, we only buy a a license to view them that can be revoked at any time. Ive been collecting digital copies for over ten years and have over 300 movies now and have never had one revoked. I have several that are no longer available for purchase but my digital copy remains intact in spite of this. I collected DVD’s and then Blue Rays (I have over 400 of them) but I think I’m finally done with disc based movies in the same way I was done with disc based music a decade ago. Frankly I’d worry about dumping too much money into the format right now given that Samsung pulled out, the studios are lackluster at best on committing to support the format and now the big box stores are ending physical media sales. The fact that the players and movies themselves are still so expensive 7 years into the formats life is also not a great sign. I’ll still buy the occasional Criterion disc I want to collect but thats about it these days.
To me , physical started winning when Daredevil was cancelled on Netflix because disney+ was coming. How long until you have to get 10 different streaming service to watch the few movies you want . Also what happen when they all reach Netflix's prices ?
I will always buy physical media, for 1 I live in an area where my internet isn't great, and 2 it's always nice to have one just in case the internet goes out, and 3 the difference in quality is astonishing, look at 2001 on 4K, and 4 it always is nice to add a new title to your collection, not too long ago I blew over $100 at Best Buy on blu ray's and 4K's
Here in Sweden where I live, I can choose suppliers via city networks. thus lan connection 100 Mbit or more. Even the cable TV provider can offer high speed internet. through the antenna socket
I buy physical media DVD Blue Ray and 4k for my library and store them on my hard drive. Those disks are the holy Grail and keep them well kept after I rip them. But it is interesting to hear the streaming has really good quality
Hi, whilst streaming is convenient, I agree that the quality is compromised, so if i really like a movie I will always go for the 4k physical disc, and i never have to wait too long before they go on sale so that's a win win for me. and I'm a big fan of the 4k steelbook the artwork is amazing.
I continue to purchase physical media because the quality is better and I OWN it! I even own HDDVD media today. 🤣 No service can remove it or charge me a monthly fee to watch it. I just hope the studios continue to produce physical media.
I have not even watched this video but am here to say a huge - YESSSS!!!!!!. Streaming depends on you having internet and good internet for 4k. Let's say you fell on hard times and had to seriously cut back on things. You may have to downgrade your internet to the most basic speeds or turn it off altogether. Your massive movie catalog in the cloud is now useless. When it's terrible outside due to bad weather and everyone is at home doing something online, good luck with getting a steady 4K image.
Long live physical media. I dont have Netflix, Disney, Paramount, Apple or any other streaming options other than Prime video as a result of being a prime member. Streaming does not and will not ever equal or beat physical media quality and ownership.
Absolutely still buy movies on 4k Blu-ray Disc.I am a collector. I find the Blu-ray copy that's included with the 4k disc has better sound that most 4k streaming content.
If you rely on streaming services all you're doing is basically renting the movie. If the service loses the rights to the movie, or becomes deactivated and no longer functions, you no longer have access to the movie. With a physical copy, it's yours forever (or until you decide to get rid of it).
Shout/scream factory, arrow video, criterion collection, and a few others will keep 4K blu rays alive. For example I just got “species” and “true romance” in 4K with dolbyvision, those cannot be found on iTunes or any streaming service. The old HD versions are still the only versions available online. So it will remain as a niche for enthusiasts, which is cool with me.
I prefer to have all my shows and movies on physical discs. I've been buying more 4k Blu-rays and transitioning my DVDs/Blu-rays to Blu-ray/4k UHD. I don't trust the streaming services to be able to keep everything they have indefinitely on their service and we see that play out all the time. You basically would end up having to sign up for every streaming service just to have access to all of your shows and movies and that's a hard pass for me. I'm only signed up for Netflix, RU-vid Premium, and the Hulu/Disney+ bundle with no intentions of signing up for any other streaming services. If your internet goes out then you can't watch anything, but if that happens to me I have hundreds of titles to choose from on physical disc. What's to prevent streaming services from editing movies bc they think this scene or that line might offend someone. Disney has been dancing around doing just that, but hasn't made a move as of yet. Eventually, Disney will censor their streaming content to avoid "offending" certain people. Physical media is more valuable to own than being signed up for every streaming service.
At this moment, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt. With Netflix now rolling out their AV1 encoded content, bandwidth requirements are significantly dropped and quality is significantly raised. It is possible to now have the same quality as you would have on a disk at roughly 1/4th of the bandwidth making it perfectly streamable. Also bare in mind that studios sometimes use higher bandwidth where it's technically not needed (especially with HDR content since non-tonemapped HDR is flat and easilly compressed) to fill up wasted space on a disc. If studios even while encoding for disks should aim for quality and optimal bandwidth, things would look very different. H;264 and H.265 (the second one a bit less) are also an old codecs and are in capabilities surpassed by VP9 and AV1 but are still being used on physical media.
There's no grain of salt in this equation. AV1 is indeed superior. You are overlooking bandwidth because for you internet speed is not an issue. Even in my house I have 1Gb fiber optic to the house and I notice speed problems in the evenings because everybody in my neighborhood is online. Most Americans, let alone most of the world, does not have fiber optic running directly to their house. Bandwidth will continue to be an issue for years to come. Australia only got highspeed internet in 2017.
I don't own 4K Bluray's due to the extra cost of changing my setup but I do own regular Bluray's. I think there is a quality difference between streaming and Bluray's, streaming is getting better with 4K films on streaming sites but the audio is significantly better on a Bluray. I will always be a lover of Bluray's, I can buy and enjoy the movie in brilliant quality with amazing sound. Also, streaming sites are becoming more woke, removing films all together or cutting scenes. If I buy the physical media, I can have the original cut of the film as the director intended.
I went into best buy like 2 years ago and couldn't believe they still sold blurays because I was like what's the point if you can stream everything now im addicted to collecting 4k Blurays
Certain shows and movies are okay on streaming but the experience of being in a theatre and watching a movie and having a collective experience is the magic of it all
My questions for physical media: 1. Physical Storage space, runs out 2. How often do you really re-watch 100's of discs 3. Are you mitigating physical loss via fire, theft, disc rot, eventual player fail and replacement.? If yes is that a pain to rip it all to your own server or backup method. 4. Average general consumer isn't going to do all of that. Easier to stream. General casual market doesn't care enough about owning it. It's over for physical for average person.
Yes I have always bought physical media. I currently have a 4k uhd TV and 4k blu ray player. I love 4k blu rays and have a decent collection. I enjoy the hard copy over the streaming as it definitely has a better picture quality. Not only that I can just pop in the disk whenever I want. Plus it's cool having the movies on my book shelves. Only downside is that stores like Best Buy, Walmart and Target are carrying less and less physical media.
I rio my 4K disks to ISO files then put them in case and hopefully never have to open them again. I know Kodi can playback ISO files, you just don't get menus, at least on the Shield Pro 2019. That doesn't solve everything though. Dolby Vision is actually pretty complicated. Right now, there is profile 4, 5 ,7 (MEL and FEL) and 8. Profile 7 is what is used on 4K disks. Profile 4 is STD, which is where the display does the dynamic tone mapping. I don't believe there are currently any big name streaming device that can do profile 7. I know the shield not ATV4K can't. Profiles 5, 7 and 8 are LLDV (player does dynamic tone mapping). It was developed by Sony and Dolby Labs. Since the player (Shield Pro 2019, ATV4K Gen1/2, others) does the dynamic tone mapping, it's essentially sent as a static HDR10 444 signal. Going forward, all DV disays most support LLDV but they are no longer required to support STD. Any 4K HDR display can playback LLDV. With a non DV capable display, the picture is still washed out but not all green like with STD. This is how you get DV on a non DV display with an HDFury device. It's also why MS was able to do a software update to support DV. With LLDV, it's software based. With STD, a dedicated chip had to be built into the display by the manufacturer and different displays took different amount of times to do the processing so not.good.for.gaming. I always wondered why Marvel movies were only HDR10. Disney has probably planned on this. To make its streaming platform more appealing since it's got DV, Atmos, ect.. which is another"buzz word" used to often. Dolby Atmos and DTS-X are not actually sound formats. Atmos is metadata for spatial sound effects embedded in either a DD+ or TrueHD signal. Every streaming service uses DD+ (lossy, compressed but mult channel) for Atmos. Every 4K disk uses True-HD (lossless audio, equivalent to the master). DTS-X is the same, metadata bedded in a DTS-MA (lossless) or DTS signal. Since DTS only tends to be used on 4K disks now, it's almost always DTS-MA The difference between lossy and lossless is going to depend on your system. You won't notice a difference on a 100/200 Soundbar. You would if you have higher end wireless setups (Sonos ARC, Sony A9's, HT-A7000, ect.) but nothing beats a dedicated receiver or better yet, pre-processor and a dedicated AMP and hard wired speakers. That gets expensive quick though. I work with a guy that has a 7.4.2 setup. 4 overhead and 2 subs. I almost fell during a demo during heavy rain because it was so realistic and rain makes me tired, it was that good. Video wise disks are far superior. What I don't get is why movie studios haven't moved to a "higher end" service. Games can go over 100GB once all is said and done. Most 4K disks are way less, with Lord of the Rings trilogy being the only ISO's I have over 100GB. Almost all steaming content is 24fps but most streamers default to 60hz because 3:2 pulldown is cool I guess... Let people preorder movies so it's downloaded like games so it's ready to go the day it's released. Before anyone says anything about piracy, it's already out there and not hard to find. In fact, the Marvel remuxs looks better than anything else. They somehow extract the DV and embed it into a MKV or MP4 file 9f.the 4K disks video stream. Best of both worlds. Kind of like the despecialized star wars trilogy afterLucas ruined the DVDs. Fans can do amazing things. I also find it odd regarding the lack of HDR10+ content that is available. Bohemian Rhapsody looks amazing and with the right sound system, you will definitely notice a difference between lossy and losses. So yes, there is a reason for high bandwidth movies and tv shows, just not in disk formats. For purchase to own and can be downloaded again later to conserve disk space, just like games. The model is already there and movies would still almost always be smaller than games regarding download size and don't need 10GB day 1 patches either. Ok recently bought a Dune Pro Vision 4K Solo and the video/audio quality is far superior to the shield or ATV4K. It does all current DV profiles, HDR 10+ and HLG. Android is limited regarding reaction and HDR. Best you will get is 4lK no HDR outside RU-vid which does HDR. Not sure if they didn't pay the fees or if the streaming providers intentionally limit some android devices. Netflix is 4K no HDR while prime is 480p only. Yet, this thing can playback both the 400Mbps jellyfish files with absolutely no issues +h264 and h265. The only media player I've owned that can do that.
I stream probably 90% of what I watch but for movies I absolutely love, I’ll buy the 4k Bluray (Avengers, Star Wars, Bladerunner 2049). Just saw LOTR 4K Bluray totally worth it. Probably better even than seeing it in a theater.
Steaming has improved significantly, and there are major quality differences from device to device. Apple TV 4K for example, generally looks far superior to the streaming quality of a PS5. I find Roku devices to be pretty good generally as well. However I'm very very very sensitive to artifacts in the background which is pretty much an issue on any device I test. Best to just stick with discs which is PRISTINE.
The quality difference between device to device fortunately is largely a software implementation issue. Any device made in the past 5 years by a known tech company is more than powerful enough to handle a crisp 4K image so a well implemented and supported streaming application on any given device should be able to give you as clean and clear of an image as any disc. When they fall short, the issue is is the source data stream over the internet or the application itself making poor decisions on how to do image processing. Services like Hulu and Netflix don't want to stream tens of GB of video and sound at prestine quality even if your internet can support it. They'd rather give you a "good enough" experience and 10x less the bandwidth consumption and storage space on their end as well. They're not entirely wrong, if all streaming services bumped up their quality to match blu-ray discs, internet bandwidth consumption would probably 10x higher, but only 3%~5% or less of the viewing audience would probably see or hear a difference enough to say anything.
I use a combination of both (discs and free streaming channels). Some 4K Blu-rays (Blu-rays too) look really nice when properly done. I've seen quite a few that look outstanding and just blow away any streamed content hands down. I've seen others that are just mediocre and some Blu-rays (especially early ones) that are just plain piss poor like they didn't care. Digital usually has better deals so you have to decide if you want convenience and the possibility of stuff being removed, or if you would rather pay a little more for real ownership. After my Xbox One S got permabanned from Xbox Live and they refused to refund any of my games, that was enough for me to see they can take anything "digital" away whenever they want to and you have little, if any, recourse.
Compression is what will hold back streaming for most people who do dish out more on their viewing setup. Once you have quality speakers and a good TV with proper HDR representation you start to see banding in color, pixelation in scenes with a lot of motion, you can tell there is cutoff in the dynamics in the audio, it's just not good even at its best. I think this will continue to be a game of cat and mouse as I'm sure in the mid-nearish non-immediate future 8k content will have to come more of a thing and people's internet even on fiber is not ready for that uncompressed video let alone 4k uncompressed now so a new format will have to be made for 8k movies. It will never actually stop, even if internet speeds could handle it, can the service provider's servers handle it? Probably not. With all that said though, if you're dealing with a screen that doesn't properly handle HDR so it color bands anyways or maybe sound bars which don't really have great dynamics in the first place and maybe the panel in your TV has a slow response time so you can't tell so easily when the picture quality itself degrades when a lot of motion is going on, then steaming's compromises might be lost on you anyways.
One more thing I did notice I was surfing my Apple TV the other day and saw they have the new Matrix movie. Watched the preview oh my it looked amazing on my apple TV 4k it blew my mind.
4K UHD discs are absolutely worth it. Just finished watching Coco on my LG C1 and it was breathtaking. Also movies like Alita: Battle Angel, the Planet of the Apes trilogy, Zootopia, Black Hawk Down, and others really made me glad I invested in a 4K Blu Ray player. Also it’s nice to know that I own the discs, you never know when something is going to be taken off a streaming service (or another monthly price hike)
I tend to only buy physical of stuff I really really love these days. I know the quality on physical is superior but it’s hard to justify the ~30$ a disc for a movie that I may only watch once
My problem with streaming, is what happens when the internet goes down, now you can't watch you movies or shows. But if you have the media, DVDs, Blue-rays, etc. won't matter if the internet goes or not.
@@MovieUniversity I would say that happens "all the time" only in maybe some really rural backcountry areas. We have fast (=100-1000mpbs) and reliable internet and supply of electricity in my country, have had for a long time. We are lucky though in this regard.
When a professional TV calibrator. compared a movie on 4K disc and on Apple TV. So there was no big difference in image quality. but I noticed the technical data he showed on the screen that apple tv devoured 70 Mbit per second
Personally, I'm giving up physical media almost completely this year, but that being said, I wouldn't hold it against someone who wants to continue collecting. A physical disc will work for a long time and be around even if your internet goes down, and yes, it is technically superior, especially on a larger screen. I've reached the point where I just can't justify the expense and hassle of a minor visual upgrade though (to provide an example, I recently got 10 Star Trek movies on Apple TV for $20, four of which were in 4K, as opposed to buying just the four of them on 4K disc for $100 - note, I live in Sweden), and even bonus features, something I used to love, matters less and less to me with every passing year. Ironically, if I had real money to spend on a house and major home theater system, I'd probably rethink it and go back to physical media, but right now, streaming and digital rental/purchases are where it's at, at least overall. Still kept some old discs around.
One thing most seem to miss is that the disc quality is static, while streaming quality will improve to the point it surpasses current disc quality. New codecs and higher bitrates/bandwidth are inevitably coming. There’s also room for an additional disc quality tier in streaming services.
Much prefer the physical Blu Ray/4K disc. The choice of sound formats, features and the extra bit rate data just provides better clarity and quality. Discs wins hands down!
We still buy physical copies but unfortunately there are not many new movie worth collecting and most worth watching once only. Collect classic masterpiece but new movies only worth streaming.
I'm pretty much the same way. I buy a lot of remasters movies pre 2007, and maybe 2-3 "new" movies a year now. Just too much out there and most not worth owning.
I still like physical media for my home theater. The audio coming from the center channel often suffers the most with streaming media especially Amazon Prime.
Consumers have decided they want physical film media killed off. But a tiny niche of film lovers still collect ancient music media, vinyl records. And books the oldest ever physical media are still very successful.
I started collecting 4k media and picked up the Sony x700 4k player as retailers began pulling the media from its stores. Hopefully, we see physical media stick around for a bit longer, but it doesn't look good.
I have phases of buying a lot of movies and then thinking whats the point in this and then they I sell them on eBay . As long as you have the internet up and running you can get almost any movie or series you want to stream. It shows how spoiled we are these days. A few weeks ago my internet went down and I literally couldn't watch anything because everything including my TV needs an internet connection to work. Thankfully I had an old collection of blu-rays and DVDS to watch. Ive never used a digital copy of a film but even if you have the digital code doesn't it get stored on a server on the internet and you need internet access to watch it?
I love collecting Blu-rays and 4K Discs, I like streaming because you can preview newer movies before you want to invest in buying them in case they are not worth buying
I don't buy too many movies(don't want a massive collection) But I'll keep an eye out for favorites and great looking steel books that usually come with a 4K copy
That's what it's all about. You don't have to collect every movie out there but when you really like a movie or tv show, you buy the physical copy so you can own it to enjoy it whenever you want to as well as have higher visual and audio quality than network television and streaming can provide.
@@MovieUniversity Good call, I tend to go for the good looking ones with matte finishes as well. Some are kind of ugly. Otherwise I'll end up with 1000 blu-rays and the format will change lol
I haven't bought a physical 4k media disc in 4 years I stream everything in have tons of DVD and blue rays but to me it makes it less clutter as I have a digital ps5 and xbox series s and roku TV makes it so easy.
I have a large screen 4K TV, and a 4K Blu-ray player. For movies I want, I always go for 4K, if it isn't available on 4K, I see if I can get it on Blu-ray, and I drop down to DVD as a last resort.
Recently started getting back into physical. They usually don’t have what I want or look worse than a regular dvd (not Blu-ray) and with my logic seeing a new movie costs almost the same as a physical disk (movie theatre) and can keep it forever and watch it whenever you want.
It's not the ONLY thing. If you watched the end of the video you'll notice I talked about the ability to OWN the media. Being able to watch what you want when you want is the biggest factor for a lot of folks who buy physical media.
@@BluD I watched Top Gun: Maverick through FandangoNow on my parents' new 85-inch Samsung and I thought it looked pretty damn good. I was sitting about 10 feet away from the TV. The audio is not quite on the level of the Blu-ray (sounds like there is some DRC going on) but it's close.
I have a hefty 4k, blu ray, and dvd collection( only stuff that never got a 4k/blu ray). And I still buy today. Only con is waiting for the 4k, majority of the time cones well after the streamed version. I still stream too but collect my favorite media on disk. Only stuff I know I’ll be watching again.
As long as people love to collect things, there will be a place for physical Media whether it is Movies, Music, Games or Books. People love to know that when they purchase one of these items that they own it. That is something that you cannot get with Streaming Services and Digital Downloads, as you are at the mercy of the provider.
Yes I still buy physical media. I will continue to do so. Until they are no longer available. I like to be able to watch a movie. Without worrying about what streaming service it's on.
My questions for physical media: 1. Physical Storage space, runs out 2. How often do you really re-watch 100's of discs 3. Are you mitigating physical loss via fire, theft, disc rot, eventual player fail and replacement.? If yes is that a pain to rip it all to your own server or backup method. 4. Average general consumer isn't going to do all of that. Easier to stream. General casual market doesn't care enough about owning it. It's over for physical for average person.
If it’s a good film I’ll buy it in 4K. Spider-Man No Way Home is an example. Disney animated movies I buy physically at their highest quality (blu ray/4K) just to have and preserve because well, we live in a world where everything offends everyone. No one can take my copy of Peter Pan or a Dumbo after one day they decide to edit out things in classic Disney movies when we finally get to that point.
Streaming is getting very good but still has a ways to go to compare to physical media, compromises have been made to sound and picture via streaming and less to physical media and physical media is yours to keep while streaming services can delete, cancel and discontinue service
I still purchase physical media. Overall the experience is better and I know I will be able to watch the movies I own whenever I want without worrying that a streaming service could remove it or such.
Yes the quality is compromised a little bit but it's like 80-90% of physical media quality while saving 60-70% of storage space. And the future codes are improving each generation. The x264 was good for the past but now we use x265 for 4k and soon in future the industry will switch to x266 or the much better AV1 which will even improve quality and storage issues. But then again any kind of compression will reduce the quality compared to the source material. It's just a matter of how much and the future does looks pretty good with the AV1. Now the problem with me is that the rights and ownership on the streaming platform. That's a bigger issue to me right now.
No due to the price difference for example in the UK. A certain sci Fi series was being sold on a website. 18.99 pounds for blu ray but 39.99 for the 4k version. The slight improvement in the picture and plus the fact that blu ray is still a very good picture means that paying about double simply isn't worth it.
Physical media has better sound and picture quality. Physical media has extras. You actually own physical media that nobody can edit or change. You don't need internet to view physical media. No buffering with physical media. More playback sound options with physical media. There is less depth to the images from streaming videos. You are being ripped off by streaming services.
I have Netflix, HBO Max, Disney + and Prime Video... and most times that I'd like when I want to watch an specific movie it is not in any of them... So yes, I am still buying UHD and even some 3D Blurays when it is possible.
