Street Fighter Retrospective - Part 3: A New Generation 

In case anyone was confused, he meant to say Oro was inspired by one of.the founders of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Helio Gracie. He just pronounced it with a little Italian flavor.

"When you fight against someone who picked Chun Li, you weren't just playing against Chun Li, you were playing against your opponent. You didn't have to figure out how Chun Li played, you had to figure out how *they* played Chun Li." That sounded strangely philosophical for some reason. Also, New Generation's arcade cabinet being released as "Three" cracked me up way harder than it really should have.

'Does Capcom know how to count to 3' was apparently the original 'Does Valve know how to count to 3'.

You also forgot to mention that SF3 was extremely expensive. Not only were CPS3 systems expensive for arcades but the game itself for players. The few arcades that had It in my area charged $.75 or $1.00 to play while Alpha 2, XvSF, and countless others could be played for $0.25. So if you only got a few dollars, even if you wanted to try to play it or learn it, it made more sense just to play the games you already knew.

Might be a hot take but I actually really like Gill's design. It's a representation of what makes the best fighters, Cold Calculation and Fiery Relentlessness, all on a muscle man. His design is almost him physically representing what he believes to be strength which really lines up with his character of trying to turn the world to be like him. Add the whole messiah aspects of his design and he makes an excellent, and fittingly weird, looking boss for the Street Fighter 3 Trilogy.

1:38:44 Fun fact: this singular moment is so popular, it is even direcly refrenced in Ken's close Final Smash in Super Smash Bros. where he activates his move with 3rd Strike's parry leading to the actual spin kicks

I really hope Necro comes back someday. I like his design and moves and I think his relationship with Effie is wholesome.

Fun Fact about the Daigo Parry that people forget: The parry happened in game 1 of a best of 3. Justin still had a chance to come back, and he was doing well. he won the next round and then it all fell apart.

Honestly, with Ken in a bit of a funk atm as of SF6, it'd be kind of cool if Sean returned to maybe lend a hand in picking up his friend and master's spirits and getting him back to the cleaned up, friendly Ken we all know and love. I just hope they'd treat him not as a joke and figured out something unique to give him. Maybe lean into the electric bit explained with the shoto style mixed with some inspiration from his sister to give him some new moves and properties that set him apart from all the other shotos.

Now I actually want to see Shadow Lou in a Street Fighter game.

I like how Oro is just doing a Mercenary Tao on top of a 747. That's badass.

I have to admit, the idea of fighting game characters that look like they belong in different games but being in the same game and franchise, while being owned by the same company, is a cool concept that really intrigues me and more fighting game franchises and companies should do more of it

Thank you for another Street Fighter retrospective, I think you were right about what you said on Twitter regarding the SF III titles and why they were not popular on release: "Been seeing people all night saying Street Fighter 3 failed because of all the new characters. Guys I'm not going to pretend like the lack of legacy characters didn't hurt the game, but that's a massive oversimplification. Street Fighter 3 launched at a time when no home console could play it, and the arcade industry was on the downswing, and there were three other Street Fighter games released within a year of it. (Alpha 2/3, EX 2/3, VS X-Men/MSH). There were other factors is all I'm saying. Sorry had to get that off my chest because anytime someone says "Street Fighter 3 failed because of the new characters" it's like saying "The Gasoline storage plant burned down from all the dry paper laying around." I'm sure that didn't help, but there was also all the gasoline."

"Bison's mentor, who was called Shadow Lou" Now I'm just envisioning Lou Reed embued with Psycho Power

DO NOT STOP MAKING THESE. After SF, move on to another series. This is awesome. You def deserve more subs.

correction: in 2nd impact, hugo can have a few different final bosses, at random, and will force that person into becoming a partner in the ending

I now desperately want to travel to the parallel universe where Ed Boon was the director of Street Fighter because you know his ass would’ve made Shadow Lou a real character 😂

Fun fact, that Adam West let's go sound clip is also in a song that was in Sonic the hedgehog gems collection

The whole Sean's suppose joke character is them trying to justify the nerf of him in Third Strike... Sean went from the best of the four shotos to the worst while giving his tools to buff up Ryu and Ken

For years I loved the character Alex. Literally Everything about him is just so cool to me… so it was incredibly disheartening to learn all these years later that his character was so poorly received after they tried to make him the MAIN character of all things! I’m glad he got put in sf5 and I hope to see him possibly get a resurgence in SF6. Fingers crossed

I was aware of the judgment girls for a while thanks to a youtuber that shows the moveset of fg characters and honestly I just wished they were more fleshed out lore wise just to give the world of sf more life

I still believe Twelve was originally going to be Spider-Man as a special guest with the CPS3 system displaying the color palette of his costume but made into Twelve due to time constraints and the Marvel license near expiration.

Also about the theory that Q is G. Q is actually blond, for a split second some of his animations reveal his hair. So that is more evidence he is G.

If they really wanted to make Gill iconic, they should've forgone the loincloth and just let him hang dong, but Capcom took the cowards way out.

Necro´s ending with Effie very much reminds me of K9999 and Angel´s relationship.

I legit just started listening to these during work 2 days ago and thank God part 3 is almost here! Needed something good to listen to during a long day at work

We got the SF6 A.K.I trailer and now part 3 of Thorgi's SF retrospective (-_^ )

51:19 the arcade cabinet only said "Three" in the title. One time at my local arcade places they had the machine with the title "Three" with Alex & Ryu in it, but it wasn't even Street Fighter 3. It was Street Fighter Alpha 😑😑😑

It's urgent that Capcom or some fan take the SF3 and Second Impact stages and soundtrack, and include them in Third Strike. This way, we will have more backgrounds and more soundtrack. I for one love Second Impact stages, so vivid and smooth. That will be the ultimate SF3. In short, Hyper Fighting for SF3!

30:46 Funny enough seeing as Sakura is also able to charge up her hadoken normally, it shows how much of a prodigy she is too.

Besides being a great video, as always fucking GREAT music choices in general And as always thank you for commissioning me for the thumbnail! Lovely to work with you as usual❤️‍🔥

Diehard Game Fan Magazine was clearly getting their intel from "my uncle who works at Capcom."

I said it in the chat on the premiere and I say it here again, where it lasts, this channel and the retrospectives in general are on such a high level and this episode in particular shows it's improving with every one. I want to point out especially the ending here, which is so well framed and edited as an fullfilling ending and continuation/tease for the next one. I'm lecturing video production and editing at an university and this will become one of the how to do it right examples in the next semester.

The episode dropping on my birthday? More than excellent. I may not watch it itself tomorrow, as I'll be busy, but watching it later!

Street Fighter 3 new generation was the ultimate learning on the job game

Ooh! The one I was waiting for!! I was one of the rare people that actually played this back when it debuted in the arcade. All three iterations were present at my local Six Flags on the SAME DAY and I played them all. I didn't truly appreciate it at the time but a few years later when Third Strike was included in Anniversary Collection, I loved it for what it was. Also, the beats still play in my head.

After researching Street Fighter's history, I feel like I've noticed a pattern. The games with odd numbers like 3 and 5 have had poor reception at launch. Meanwhile the games with even numbers like 2, 4 and 6 have had great reception at launch. So basically, if ya want a great SF game, don't give it an odd number. Boom! ;3

It' s far more impressive that fot being unexperienced the SF3 staff they create a masterpiece.

An incredibly famous fighting game series getting overambitious with sprite-based art and eventually making a game that was loved by hardcore fans but sold poorly and nearly killed the series? I'm getting deja vu from your KoF retrospective.

I barely even play fighting games and would probably never watch e-sports, but this is just, well-made, intricately researched, and thorough content. Your historical breakdown of these games is incredibly entertaining and your clear passion for them elevates the videos further.

Someone on the dev team for new generation got a thing for tall Kenyan women, because the at win pose is crazy extra.

The 90's was most certainly the era of fighting games. It was crazy, but great time. I wish I bought far more of them back then ;/

Man I remembered hearing that 3's development was rough but DAMN! Also as someone who's been watching tourneys for a good chunk of years now & has always considered themselves semi-competitive in games, absolutely LOVED the breakdown for EVO Moment 37. A moment so famous that Sakurai very likely referenced it when his trailer team showed off the Shippu Jinrai in Ken's Smash Trailer by parrying Mac first. If I recall they actually made that a combo trial in one of 3rd Strike's rereleases. Also that To Be Continued for SF4 was CLEAN

I swear there's an interview with Jean Claude Van Damme in an issue of Disney Adventures where he was also under the misconception that SF:TM:TG was Street Fighter 3...

There are similarities between Yun & Yang with the Bogards too

Community darkest timeline reference made me chuckle

Thank you for another awesome retrospective video!!

Aw, it's a shame you don't like Gill. I know he looks like a crazy dedicated American football fan, but I know I was impressed by his visuals (in the 2010s). Plus, he may be a badguy, but he's not a (complete) asshole like Bison or Seth. Like Akuma, he holds a code. But I also get why people wouldn't like him. =w=

When you really think about it besides being a great game, SF3 3rd strike really paved the way for SF6 when it came to it’s hip hop influence/aesthetic. So that’s another reason to appreciate Street fighter 3

So, SF fans were like Kingdom Hearts fans? They kept getting games in the series, but they needed to see the number 3.

Gill's my favorite sf villian 🫤

1:16:25 despite whatever he did to hold Street Fighter back after this, I will always love Ono for what he did here with Third Strike. He made the absolute RIGHT choice and it elevates the aesthetic and vibe of Third Strike to a level I haven’t seen ever again and desperately wish I could see and hear again.

In New Generation, you can do an air parry by pushing down at the right time, and this will send you closer to the opponent. Air parrying by pushing forward sends the opponent away.

That ending though! Honestly I cant wait until the next part! I really feel that SF4 doesnt get the credit it deserves. It is literally the second coming of fighting games and it is the reason tournaments are now played in stadiums across the world and are streamed to an even bigger audience. SF4 in my opinion is on almost equal ground with SF2 for what it did for the genre as a whole. And people need to remember and respect that.

I'm not much of a fighting game person. The only fighting game series I've ever played was a platform fighter called the Super Smash Bros. Series and Soul Calibur. But I was never one to fight competitively because I do suck at most fighting games. So I never really was interested in Street Fighter 3 Third Strike or even knew about that legendary moment with Daigo parrying Chun-Li's super there. I even asked myself. "Why was that so hyped." But that was me back when I never understood fighting games that they are today. But after watching people online play these characters and see these combos. Not to mention watching Clement's video of the lore of Street Fighter and your retrospectives of fighting games. It's gotten me to understand why fighting games are awesome. And why this moment was legendary. Even though I will never play fighting games the way most people play them as I just play for casual cause again I suck at fighting games. I can at least understand most of it. Aside form this. Great video Thorgi! Though also a fun trivia note. one of Ken's Final Smashes in Super Smash Bros. Is sorta based on EVO moment 37.

I vaguely remember seeing the "Three" Cabinet. It didn't confuse me, but that's because I read a lot.

Giant Attack is my favorite version... the music is the BEST!!!

Great job on the video I really do like when you debunk many rumours and misinformation in this video it’s really good shows off how good you are at this.

The only Street Fighter I still come back to. Everything about the vibe and aesthetic of Street Fighter 3 is perfect, they clearly had a distinct vision for this game and they nailed it. And Third Strike is the most fun Street Fighter has ever been. Also one of the best rosters in my opinion as someone with no nostalgia for this series, these characters are more interesting than the walking race stereotypes that SF2's roster is. Makoto is my favourite character in the whole series and Dudley, Q, Urien and Alex are great as well. And Gill is my favourite Street Fighter boss by a large margin.

I loved the dreamcast. It was a really cool system with a really good game lineup. I dont know why it didnt do well.

24:37 No idea if it was intentional or not, but lining up "So... how was it" with "You Lose" on screen is hilarious.

I'll always say, it's a damn shame the dreamcast sold so poorly. Stunning system with a phenomenal selection of games. It's just baffling. Okay I get it, sega was terrible at advertising their hardware, but. Honestly think the visual style of 2nd Impact beats out third strike though. Might be the "best" of the three, but for the visuals? ooh yeah. The game itself is still a bit more methodical and back to basics, but I rather like that. SF6 really appeals for a similar reason, feels methodical rather than purely twitchy.

Waiting for the next episode!

Man this channel is so good. I would love to hear uou talking about the M.U.G.E.N scene someday

This retrospective has been absolutely fantastic so far! Love your sense of humor too I really wish there was a version of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike that also included all the stages/music from New Generation and 2nd Impact that were omitted from that game

I’m really glad you chose to split this into different parts. This is obviously going to be a long, exhausting series. So I think after it’s finished you should do a smaller franchise that you can fit into one video. Given the fact Killer Instinct is getting the first update it’s had in years, I think it would be a good candidate for next time. Btw, I had an idea for an episode of Build the Roster. A 3D, Soul Calibur-inspired weapons fighter using Legend of Zelda characters. I don’t know whether it would be better if they made this hypothetical game into a separate timeline or to have all the timelines crossing over. I just had this feeling that Smash Bros Ultimate is supposed to be the last game in the series and it looks like that’s turning out to be true. So, how about we give all the major Nintendo franchises their own fighting games?

SF 3rd Strike was a head of it's time and is still be play today at my local arcade some parts in Trinidad. And the cast of characters were fun to play with tho most of the people I know mostly play either Ken & Akuma (obviously). Although I will say as much I love Makoto,Ibuki,Abel and the other new fighers that came out for that game I didn't fully understand the appeal towards Sean, like I get that he's fun to play and has that charismic attitude about him but to me he was another pallete swap base character of Ryu,Ken & Akuma with the same fighting style but with different moves about him. And further on it kinda became stagnant when more fighters that basically have the same shoto fighting styles that are like Ryu,Ken & Akuma began increasing by the time SF4 & 5 rolls along that for me at least kinda become tiresome & repetitive. Still despite my complaints SF 3rd strive was the corner stone of one the best 2D fighting game of that era and still is to this date. Tho for me at least SF6 is close to tie with it but we'll discuss that on a later day.

Great use of Gill's winquote at the end of the video. 👍

1:12:27 THAT is a hell of a surprise considering that back when this game came out, I was 8 years old living in Hawaii and remember playing on the OG Steeet Fighter 3 arcade cabinets. Granted, those same cabinets were later and quickly replaced with 2nd Impact cabinets, but if a small cluster of islands could get their hands on new arcade cabinets quickly and not mainland America, I have to thank my lucky stars for living in Hawaii (and overall shipping to the mainland US to Japan is STILL overall cheaper than shipping to Hawaii, so don't say we got em just cause our islands were closer to Japan)

These retrospectives are fantastic. I love how Thorgi does into so much detail and fun facts with each game.

Hugo has four different iterations of his ending in 2nd Impact as he can have one of four different characters as his final boss in that game. Necro as you mentioned before, but also Ryu, Elena, or Gill can be his partner in the end.

Appreciate the hard work and research that goes into these retrospectives. Keep it up!

I’m surprised on how you didn’t talk about how Second Impact arguably has the best UI out of the all the 3 games, and by a large margin.

33:51 my dad’s a Jiu-Jitsu instructor and a friend of Helio’s son Relson, so as someone with a bit of passing knowledge on the Gracie family finding this out was really cool

The tumbnail art is so good

Third strike is my favourite game of all time hope they bring sean, makoto, remy and Q back for sf6

FINALLY had the time to get through this whole thing. This was a great one! This whole series has been a Magnum Opus. I was really looking forward to this one because I love the idea of SF3. I'm here from your Comic channel, and your stance on legacy characters and letting things move along is something I always resonated with. Seeing that SF3 was essentially that made me really interested in that time frame. Loved learning more about it through this video.

9:24 I'm having scenes from DmC: Devil May Cry in my mind when hearing that sentence. :D With the difference that they found developers in their own office who knew very well what they were doing.

That ending gave me chills! “WAKE UP!!!”

Amazing quality retrospective. I hope you do this as long as you want.

I thought you would mention Remy is inspired on Iori Yagami Anyway amazing video like always

Gill is easily my 3 favorite sf boss

These videos are extremely well made. Deserves way more views.

56:08 IT'S THERE AT THE LEFT CABINET WAKU WAKU 7 RETROSPECTIVE CONFIRMED

Shoot, I'm gonna be at work tomorrow at 4:00 pm, hopefully I can catch some of it before the end. I'm so looking forward to this!

MY BOY REMY!!! He has a guile kit but uses it a lot differently and hes a lot more aggresive. I also named my puppy after him :3

Thorgi: "I have never seen an original SF3 cabinet in my *LIFE!"* Funny. The thing that got me into SF3? *New Generation,* no joke. One of the reasons I enjoyed going to a certain laundry room when I was a kid was because they had a *TON* of arcade machines around the place. New Generation was there right next to Marvel vs. Capcom along side other classics there. I mainly played MvC because I was more familiar with it, and at the time I *SUCKED* at SF. But watching other people play it I was hooked, the OST lived rent-free in my mind to this day, and it showed me the 1st ever FG Boss I ever saw in the form of Gill. I know 3rd Strike is the GOAT OF SFIII, but New Generation still kinda holds a good place in my heart.

Such an amazing video as always. And an early birthday present for me as well. 😁

1:19:20 FYI the quote says "EZ Job". In terms of win quotes, it's just one or two words like Death, The End and Kill as well as "LMAO" and just his name in Console versions.

Just got into emulation and using your vids as a guide to great fighters. 👊 Love the backstory and voice is 💯. Keep em coming!

56:40 I dunno, Nash's face, at that angle, in that conext, with that expression feels so funny to me, i don't know why, lol

Yes, I catched up! Ready for part 4

You know someone out there is trying to make Shen Long become a reality in MUGEN

Part of what makes 3rd Strike so great is that there is never a "correct" or optimal decision in any given situation. _Every_ interaction has absurd levels of counterplay, and counterplay TO that counterplay. And as for it being unbalanced, that's really only at the highest levels. 95-99% of people will be able to have completely rewarding, competitive matches between Ken and Necro, Yun and Q, or Chun-Li and Hugo.

It takes me an hour to drive to work and an hour to drive home. These have been awesome to listen to on my journey and can’t wait for this.

I remember a ton of rumors about Sheng Long from SF2 but I really don't remember any mention about him in SF3 so maybe enough people wised up to the April fools jokes later on or it just wasn't as widespread next time around

This is excellent. Best SF3 video or audio documentary yet.

You did it again thorgi. Another platinum masterpiece. Keep being a radical man with the grandmaster plan.

These videos are some amazing content. Thank you .

Always hyped to see these episodes come out. Shits fire