The reason the blacked out/red color is banned is because you cannot see the activated V-Trigger for characters like Zangief or Abigail. Also the Forgotten Waterfall at night is banned because of the bats that come out of the cave. They push the frames per second down past 60 into the 30s.
from a game dev perspective, i think the reason why gutsman's costume is banned is because it blocks a core part of balrogs "danger point", that being his brightly coloured boxing gloves in almost every one of his skins his gloves are a very distinct colour compared to the rest of his costume, making them easier to focus on. I also seem to remember reading an interview where the dev's said they made characters hands and feet large to make them easier to keep track of out when staring at the screen, and his forearms are a lot larger than his fists, making the opponent misjudge how far the attack is
Man that last story is completely bogus. I get that rules are rules but, with the exception of the Wesker costume thing to an extent, they should've just let the match slide and warn the players between matches, especially since the Urien player clearly won so many times.
Especially since their only real reason for banning the grid was because they wanted more visual variety. But like, if that stage offers the most most consistent performance online, then I think sacrificing visual variety is worth it. May not be the most fun stage to look at, but I care more about watching the players anyway
@@Stinkyremy would you follow the law if it was so fucking dumb, contradictory and very poorly implemented? this would be as dumb as "proffional runners can't run on a track because it's boring to look at" let the runners run, then lose the olympics because of it.
@@Stinkyremy Comparing street fighter rules to laws and committing murder and rape. So incredibly off the rails and couldn't be a more false equivalency lol. So ridiculous.
I still don't really understand the issue with the Blanka chan. If anything the visual clarity is even stronger on the character because of the simple chibi design. I'm not noticing any hurtbox confusion either as it has no extra appendages or effects.
As much as I love the blanka chan skin, I think it's more a matter of the way it looks when fighting against blanka. Kinda like a depth perception thing if that makes any sense lol. My bad.
Another costume that eventually got banned was Rashid's Viewtiful Joe costume. One well-known player purposely used it knowing full-well it threw off players during a CPT tournament. The stream chat was going crazy over it needing to be banned. His opponent spoke up about it and the TO's made that player switch costumes, which the opponent then decidedly took the set.
“Threw off” players????? Are they fucking BABIES?????? ITS THE SAME CHARACTER. Anybody who complained should realistically be gatekept from ever playing a fighting game ever again, i honestly cant bring myself to cope with the fact that REAL fighting game players who KNOW THE GAME are just being caught completely out of left field because rashid put on a fucking sentai helmet and spandex. Unreal.
@@SpaceFrog999 Yea, I don't know what goes on in pro-players' minds, but maybe spacing and character-model have been so ingrained into their muscle memory that even the most minute changes can throw them off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@SpaceFrog999 It’s because the costume obscures animations that would otherwise be easy to react to. If you need a costume to make your specials harder to react to, you’re a scrub.
@@HashTheGrappler it would be one thing if there was a huge cloak covering the whole characters, but if you can see all 4 of their limbs, its the same character. how could someones gameplan possibly be thrown off when they still KNOW what their opponents options are?
The stage issues could be easily fixed with alternative versions. Kanzuki Beach has no moving waves & either lower the water level to that of the character’s feet or makes it more transparent. Skies of Honor alternative the plane is fixed grounded on a roof or a cargo hangar. Vega stage alternative no cage or Vega has a fix 3-4 sec limit of hanging & also can be knocked off the cage. Field of Fate, no grass covering feet & the right side of the screen could have a broken statue to give a visual tell it's the corner. Mysterious Cove, a bit more illumination for those who have trouble seeing
The cage climb isn't op or needs to be fixed, it's just the principle that no one should ever have to consider that the stage they play in has any bearing on the tools a character has. Even if the only thing it did was give vega +1 health it should still be banned. Stages are just not supposed to affect gameplay, because as long as it's an advantage or disadvantage, only one person gets to choose the stage so it is unfair from the start.
I wasn’t sure why the Wesker one would be banned (also just thought it looked super dope) but I realized it’s probably for the same reason they banned some of the less well lit stages. I could see that costume on the forbidden cove stage being kind of a nightmare to react to. Also I guess I’m the only person who can see why Blankachan would be banned? It’s sort of hard to put into words but I think having more salient visual details on his body probably really does have an effect on how reactable he is. I’m not saying “it should be banned” but I can see why, as to me the formlessness sort of masks basically all of the visual details that you’ve learned to focus on in very subliminal ways on in order to react to him.
I feel like the word "obfuscate" is the star of this video. All of these bans are to prevent some kind of obfuscation of moves, positioning, or intention. Definitely agree with all of these bans.
I think the gutsman is just for visual clarity for spectators, someone who doesn't know the game very well and is just tuning in might assume it's a whole different character or think the game looks weirdly wack because of the design disparity.
As a casual fan of watching sf5 content it’s mind blowing to me that Vega still had his climbing move in this. That was the most memorable thing about him to me as a kid.
I actually faced a Pyron Gill once and tracked the guy down after losing to him to tell him how much I appreciated facing off against him. Big Darkstalkers fan and I don’t see their costumes used near enough for my taste (doesn’t help that I main not a single character with one).
They should revise the plane stage to be rooftop fight. The city looks dope. Gimme a fight on top of the building my dudes. Also. Yes. The plane makes me hella motion sick. Like no other game does that. But this stage does.
If Capcom is so adamant about having variety in stages for tournament play, have an in-game option to disable background objects, or maybe a separate quality slider for stages Maybe have the training stage be customizable like that Dojo stage would help too
I remember that some default female characters costumes were banned in the first year of SFV at EVO. The competition was streamed through TV and the believed some costumes were too spice, so the producers encouraged some players like Fuudo to pick different costumes. That's why he picked the secondary costume of Mika during that tournament.
i hate that ed's nero costume is banned because it's my favorite costume he has. i would be 100% okay with them removing the devil trigger thing or maybe having the costume code remove it with the jacket when used. it's just such a well done costume and i think it's a shame it can't be used competitively.
@@cheesi come to think of it i think there are mods floating around that fix some of them, so it's not like capcom couldn't just implement these themselves, or do something on their end. kinda stupid to just outright ban some of these assets rather than making small changes to them. except for the stage with the plane, that should have just never been made to begin with lol
@@OdelyxRa i don't have a problem with it and it's not distracting as far as i've heard, it's the fact that it causes the game to lag. i have had multiple friends complain about lag only when i use that costume and no other one. i'm guessing it's because the netcode isn't great as it is and the ghost dude mimics ed's movement so it adds to the extra shit happening on screen.
4:28 "This stage is banned because you're flying and people get motion-sick just watching it!" Me, a U.S. Air Force veteran who used to take Space A flights all over the United States: "Heh! Wimps!"
i hope its not me LOL i'm silver and vega and that stage are my mains ^^ most people in low ranks dont know that you cant hurt vege when he on the wall and its funny seeing people trying to do that
Actually I believe the field of fate stage is based on the intro for the sf2 anime movie, where Ryu and Sagat are duking it out while someone is doing dragon ball scouter level things during it
It was stated in SF Wiki that The Grid was banned because it becomes easy to measure the distance using, well... The grid on the stage. Though now I think it would be a weird reason since both players will have this advantage and... Boom! It stops being an advantage.
I can understand why these stages and costumes are banned, but I’ll never be able to sit through competitive matches hosted predominantly in training grid. I want spectacle and stages and crazy outfits are part of that.
20:20 This modded version that shows a random stage for the viewer is really clever. I wish this was an option in the menu for everyone. Not only for stages, but also skins and colors. The default ones look way better and consistent, and helps solidify the brand image. At least in tournaments I feel the game should look as vanilla as possible: white Ryu, red Ken, black Akuma, pink Dan, etc.
Kanzuki Beach is so tragic It's without doubt my favorite stage, the quintessential SF5 stage in my heart and soul. It's sooooo good. It's perfect. From the cameo's, to the soundtrack, and character story connections It's everything I love and more! A nice lil encapsulation of some of my favorite things in fighting games, at a glance it has oh so much on display depicting why the game genre can be so great and why it is among one of my eternal loves!
4:10 Honestly this should actually be the case, like being able to counter-pick stages like you do in Tekken sounds like a godsend instead of the basic only visual changes that every 2D fighter has for stages.
NRS Games have stage-specific things. I know in injustice maps can literally change a match-up significantly, since some have unblockables or armored movement options or meterless launchers or armored reversals that you wouldn't normally have on a basic stage.
7:32 - 7:36 The best discernable reason for this stage to be banned is when this stage is combined with dark/black colored costumes(Example: ryu's Halloween costume in color 5) its hard to see what the opponent is doing, thats the best reason I can think of anyways.
For the Takamura Ryan Hart controversy; that's really bad rule design. Like the banned costume resulting in a replay makes sense. But the second match shouldn't have been replayed. Not because grid is a fine stage - but because Takamura is the one who selected it. It makes no sense to penalize Ryan Hart for *not* breaking any rules.
Legit was scratching my head wondering why the Gill costume was banned and it took me a full three sentences into the explanation to process and realize that I was not actually looking at Gill.
Just a heads up that Field of Fate is actually a nod to Street Fighter 2: The Animated Movie, where Ryu fights Sagat in a grassy field during a thunderstorm. It was referenced in the Alpha games as well, hence why you hear some people mention it as a reference to those games, but the movie came prior to the stage being included in Alpha 2.
Some of the costumes are banned from Capcom Cups like the Megaman ones because they are confusing identifiers of who the characters are. If you don't know that the Gutsman costume is Balrog/Boxer, then as a viewer you would just be totally confused and wonder what character it is, or if the character is a new character you never heard about. Some of these bans has very little to do with game-play sometimes and more to do with identifying the character.
The reason those dark EX skins are banned is because some character's stances, hyper armor modes etc. Give them a similar lighting phong along their body. The skin makes it hard to tell if it is or isn't active.
One of the Weskers has a darker skin color that does a good job of masking his vs1 power up. As for balrog gutsman his hurtboxes on his giant feet don't match up at all to his animation.
For mysterious cove, I had a VERY bad graphics card and some of the lighting effects did not work correctly, making characters basically black on the stage. Idk why that would be an issue in tournaments but there you go
I hope in sf6 they implement ways to turn off certain effects on stages and skins. In Tekken tag 2, the stages lose some background stuff, like npcs, wouldn't show. It's just odd to me that Gill, a character who came to the game much later, has a skin where the effects can't be turned off 😕
it's insane how often i fight people who picked the same exact characters Brian_F picked for the same exact stages that are banned because of that character.
8:54 I found it funny when he talked about the EX09 color, he describes the kind of person who would pick it and he's literally got those colors on his shirt lol
Wow no fun allowed on the one good Blanka costume. Just tells me they need a tourney mode. There is no reason to disable the Vega stage, just turn of the wall jump in tourney mode
I was expecting the banned customs to extend to the more edgier female skins lol but glad to see that Capcom has (mostly) legitament reasons for their choices
I played a Rasheed using Skies of Honor last night ironically. I really like the music of that stage so I would play it on training before to get used to it so I wouldn’t get cheesed since it was popular when it was released. I guess the Rasheed realized I wasn’t going to be cheesed so he left after losing game 1 pretty badly.
Yeah, i agree with most of those, the plane scene is way too distracting for me. One of the costumes i think is weird you did not mention is the R.Mika Cheerleader... I dont know if is actually banned, but i always have problems with the hands of that costume.
you mean the pompoms? there's a code to remove them during a match, either in the prefight forecast, or in between rounds. LP, MP, HP, LK, up on the dpad, which is a universal code for most costumes.
I've been playing this game on and off for about 3 years now. (Finally got out of Silver and got Cody to Platinum just recently after playing seriously for about a month!) I've NEVER seen that Vega climb on his stage. Ever. That's the first time I've seen it.
5:55 Street Fighter 2 Movie, the fight between Ryu vs Sagat, where there is a computer from Mr Bison tracking their fighting power and everything else. Thta is the exactly stage, even the thunders and shit.
Because money. I don't have Capcom's metrics but I'm confident that many of the banned costumes sell a good amount and they can still be used basically anywhere but in tournament. They valued being creative to get people's attention over what works for the competitive scene 100% of the time which would make for less costumes if not removing details.
"i dont think that stage broke Vega" , i Lost a set because i wanted to cheap, i did ca and he was in corner he couldn't escape with any move , and he climbed there and survived and killed me
I totally understand if stages or costumes are banned because of visibility. Wesker for example you can see the problem in the last part with Ryan Hart and the very dark stage they played at. But I do not appreciate or even understand matches which are invalidated just because of facts like "The viewers will be bored looking at the same stage again and again"... I am glad they fixed it but I am still a tiny bid mad about how they handled it back then.
Well yesterday i got skullomania g which apparently doesn’t come on the upgrade kit. Godlike skin tho. Also i assume the stages thing is because of how it affects lag and stuff. And skins idk maybe gill’s pyron one,i love that skin lol. 1:45 oh i thought it was gonna be something about the girls in the background. 2:04 oh shit 2:54 oh right the extra move he gets for stalling. Guess i was wrong about the lag thing on stages this makes sense 3:12 yeah that’s right i saw that on his move set. 4:40 huh 5:44 oh this stage is so cool though 7:25 oh lemme guess the night one,the oro trailer stage. It’s so badass tho. I assume maybe the contrast of lights makes it harder to see. 10:30 yeah for the characters i knew it lol. I love the pyron skin tho it’s so badass 12:33 goddamnit the blanka plush is so sick 13:50 noooo i love these goddamnit. I used gutsman balrog for a while when i started playing this game
Fun fact, the thing Capcom ended up doing where their stream shows a different stage is very similar to what the Overwatch League does. The players are playing default skins with no meaningful differences from the game they have at home but stream side shows the characters are all team colored along with effects matching those colors.
I just wanna know why the Gutsman costume went to Balrog and not Zangief. Gutsman's whole thing is picking up and throwing stuff, if I'm remembering correctly.
