Stress-free riding with automatic shifting | SHIMANO 

i'd be real proud of myself if i was you.

@@legrandd.4870 eh I'm actually quitting next month. The pay is shit and working 5 cnc machines for 12 hours a day is soulcrushing.

@@legrandd.4870 The engineering may be great, but the factories assembly lines are brutal sweatshops.

@@Radimkiller where is this factory, which country

@@raaedirfan7288 czechia

It will find a good place with e-bike consumers, I'm sure.

Been around for some time already. N5 is a comeback however. Personally i really dislike automatic shifting on bikes. Shimano lets you decide if its auto or manual by pressing an up or down button. So thats good.

It's development but not on cycling industry....give the idea to motorcycle manufacturers

Not great for 'leisure cyclists' but great for people who cycle just to get about.

@@calebmaengwe6127 Do you know anything about motorcycles? Or are you just gatekeeping cycling? Why would you want to cram an automatic motorcycle gearbox into the wheel hub when auto motorcycles already exist?

Hell ye

Enviolo: hold my beer

Hipsters: no shifting at all.

Single speed: Shifting but no

@@Sidowse Is the point of the internet for every single wanker to complain about bike part manufacturers? SPD will never catch on.

Naw. It's now like the Mac genius bar. Any problem is now a $1,200 full replacement.

@@cajames1 lol I guess that would be in line with MNCs trend of an even less sustainable, more profitable business model. I'll stick with my slx that survived 5 wrecks in two miles today. 😅

for minimum wage

It’s funny that it’s such a foreign concept to you. In Germany, being a bike mechanic is considered a craft trade, and as such requires an apprenticeship of 3 years.

@@dismiggo Is it foreign to me or was I making a sarcastic comment in relation to the new shimano product? 😂

@Dream. Totally. Only after a few weeks of commuting by ebike it takes some time to get used to clumsy clutches and gears. Single speed, direct drive, electric is the way to go. Going is easier and even braking is easier and maintenance is easier and the bike is cleaner.

@@difflocktwo turn on your sarcasm filter.

@@difflocktwo I’ve got both, a single speed belt drive ebike and a 10 speed Deore ebike. I think they both have their uses and neither really beats the other, but yes I do use the single speed way more often. An ebike honestly really has no use for all the lower gears.

@@tenzingmingmar1424 Yeah, electric motors basically make it so you are always riding on flat ground or even downhill and you don't really need multiple gears for that.

@@difflocktwo it's about efficiency

..and with no sound !!😊😊

belt is not forever , particularly for e bike

@@makantahi3731 neither is chain..

you can simply install any fitting sprocket you like on a nexus. the hub comes without any sprocket as a single part. the belt drive sprocket will cost you way more thou

I'm still very decisive about the belt technology. I have seen it trending these days and saw a comparison to the chain model. Do you use it yourself and is it really that much better? It said, it's suitable more for rough terrain, but not everyday city biking.

Until it breaks, and you have to open it :)

Except when you bike in the rain and moist gets in. No matter how sealed it is moist and dirt will get in.

@@allaboutcuteness53 internal geared hubs exist for a long time, they are very reliable. You know, technology exists to stop moist and dirt from getting into things. Like boat engines, car gearboxes and stuff like that which is in contact with moist and dirt all the time and works for tens of years.

@Poal Dotco Hey what's up with that wheel humming? Gotta get that fixed! Hahahaha! Ok, maybe use smooth slick tires and you can reduce the humming if you really wanted to make it quieter.

@@allaboutcuteness53 apparently you missed the concept of seals.

what if, they have neat trick when it over certain torque it will shift to lighter gear?

i'm running nexus 4 on a bbshd, do you know the price?

Is this a sarcastic take on tech babble?

@@celticwinter lmfao totally sounds like it but nope…

@@celticwinter this is the language they speak in the future where belts are on every ebike hehe

Seems like stacked rear hub to me :D

Cyclists with deeeeep pockets

@@coolguy1930 Gives alternatives

@@russellprout723 come to the Netherlands, buy a bike for 50€

@@coolguy1930 nobody if forcing you to buy this one though

stress of shifting? when i grew up you had to find your gear on the downtube. don't think that is for older riders, rather for spoilt lil rich kids that already have everything. i rather buy an e bike:-)

Well, like any other planetary hub. You can switch any gear to any gear any time. Not when some dumb electronics decide to.

very cool gearbox I like it! you know when it needs repairs that cost is gonna feel like a kick in the nuts though.

@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT most pro bikes allready use electronic shifting (see shimano DI2) and power-meters, so from technical point making it automatic wouldn't need new hardware. Yet rules and regulations likely would prohibit such devices

@@seveger Pro should never be the standard.

@@kalijasin Did I say anything about how we should accept pro as standard?

@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT well, as I've said this product is not for enthusiasts, but for commuters. And here is the point: you can be more than capable to use manual transmission, you just don't care. For example my mom: she started driving in the 80's Russia, so she can drive not just manual transmission cars, but manual choked, she laughed when our 17y/old neighbor told her about drifting, cause winter driving in Russia is all about inertia and grip management. Yet in day-to-day live she just don't want to give a crap about it, and says that best thing happened when we moved in to the city, where is no need to drive or have a car.

Not gonna lie, I thought about doing this before I saw your comment. ; )

This hub comes on the new Bullitt ep8 cargo bike and has a belt option!

As a person who has never driven a car with an automatic transmission, I want one so bad, manual is great, no problem with it, but it would be even better if I don't have to shift. Manual is for the track, drifting and overall for fun, but for driving in town, yeah no... it's not annoying, but it's not chill either. For a bike, I don't understand what's the problem with manual, it makes no meaningful difference really.

@@badass6300 Entirely depends on the individual. The extra hassle of shifting is not a nuisance for people who like the experience. Driving a manual, it's nice to just sit there and do nothing but hit the gas or brake, but to me it feels boring and not like I'm really driving. I prefer to have more control rather than less over my vehicle.

@@mobilemarshall As I said when you are having fun manual is the best, but when you are just getting from point A to point B in heavy traffic, it's not annoying, but it'd be much nicer if it didn't exist. And then the cluth has to be replaced and that takes me quite some time to replace it and now with newer cars it's a nightmare as they make it so that you basically have to take the engine and gearbox out of the car otherwise it's complete hell to replace the clutch.

@@badass6300 Having fun and getting to point B are not mutually exclusive. Some people are different from yourself, as hard as it may be to believe for you.

What's the point of it being bombproof. And since when downhill became transmission's test

@@eXTreemator this one happened during the late 90's early 2000's. I guess when Shimano conjured up the nexus system, they thought of it as an integrated system that would ultimately replace the rear derailleur. Being "bombproof" means it's made to last wirh minimal to no maintenance whatsoever perfect for the target market of casual cyclists who has a very low inkling og bicycle maintenance.

Because I ride lots of hills I decided to count how many times I shifted on a normal ride & it was 300 + - times. At 3-4 days a week times months etc I’d worry about the longer term wear & tear & ultimate reliability. Currently the maintenance for my derailleur, shifter & cables is a piece of cake but I do love innovation & am sure it will only get better over time but I’ll wait.

I prefer whatever I can buy

I bet you would so, I'll send him right over Loverboy..😂

Next will be pedalless bike. And at last autopiloted selfdriven bike.

Tesla bike inbound. ; ) @@enosunim

It's just a normal internally geared hub, but instead of a lever pulling the cable, an electric motor does the job. Nothing exciting there.

@@Finnspin_unicycles yeah, maybe i'm just too excited because it was the first time i saw it in animation 😂

They are in too high gears because they barely put any force on the pedal. When riding at 50W and letting the motor give you the remaining 400W, it is more confortable to ride a very low cadence

@@swe223 Yeah, bit for the transmission and motor, that's overkill. I've seen many e bikes getting smoked on steep inclines. (I live in the Alps and was talking about the behavior in the mountains)

What song is it?

@@solomale2156 Song of the game or the advert? Which are you asking about?

@@BackfeetBoi the advert?

@@solomale2156 Can't help you there. It was more about the general synthwave style of it

@@BackfeetBoi can you give me some similar music

Gears are not efficient, they actually add drag. You can see in solar cars that they do not use mechanical transmissions, they cannot afford the drag.

@@difflocktwo wut? Electric cars don't use transmission gears because electric motors have max torque starting at 1 rpm.

@@truantray Solar race cars do not use mechanical gear reducers or anything like that. Mechanical transmissions are too lossy, too much friction. Electric passenger cars still use mechanical differentials and speed reducers.

I think it would be great in a e belt driven bike, bc with belt drive there has always been the problem of shifting so you had to have an internal drive and here you have an automatic one

You need to think that through.

Yeah, that is why using Shimano causes stress = )

But you NEED this, bro! ; )

The video kind of speaks for itself.

this is meant as a presentation of concept i suspect. why is everyone in a hurry? you know someone is going to have an unpacking video on it and someone else is going to take it all apart melt it and build a knife. just chill :}

There are no benefits compared with a gear hub motor at all.

Nonsense, it will be a clean component replacement. Example, most modern cars today, if you drop a rod, its no longer a lower end rebuild, its a clean crate engine replacement.

@@UncleFjester I have an issue with that logic and I dont think you're at fault. Shimano has to take the majority of the blame. I fix broken stuff. That's my job. Shimano doesnt offer small parts for some of these repairs to force us into replacing the whole unit.

@@pdvision2194 you can probably use 3d printing tech to replace small moving parts.

Bahahaha. No you won't...you'll just order a new one.

@@icas80 I guess you're from the throw away generation.

Most people do not know that planetary systems even exists. Well at least Shimano managers thought that.

Yes, next will be a fuel engine!

Almost? These bicycles aren't gonna give you sever road rash. Motorcycles are defined by their speed and weight classification. Danger is exponential to speed. If anything mopeds 'are almost motorcycle'.

Stress is in using Shimano components, not in shifting itself = )

It's stressful seeing people struggle with shifting lol Especially if you're riding with them and have to stop when going uphill to help them lol

@@AlejandroRamirez-le2vv classic gearing is too complicated. There are even special video lessons how to shift. Glad that I use planetary hub, which can be shifted any to any, at anytime. And no unusable combinations.

@@enosunim I don't find shifting complicated at all. You go easier or harder on your legs, sometimes up, sometimes down, and you pedal at the same time. What is complicated there?

@@FirefighterBobby you can not pedal while you are stay in place = ) And you cannot pedal backwards for example. If you ride in town, on every crossroads, had to adjust gears before you come there. If you had accidentally stopped it is hard to start again, and you cannot lower gear until you move, but you can not move easily if gear is too high. If it is easy for you, I am ok with that. But I prefer change any gear to any gear only by rotating a lever, without pedaling and waiting for a right moment.

How marketing works? = )

Might want to tie it all together with a Gates belt drive, too.

You want to clutter the absolute mechanical simplicity of an electric motor with a bunch of gears?

mid drives suck. you need at least a 5000 watt mid drive to get any decent acceleration

@Mathias Ljündberg damn so it takes a liter bike to make your fatass go? I can see why you need the exercise lmao

@Mathias Ljünd 73kg. how did you lose your license?

These will only end up getting put on overpriced comfort/city bikes.

Guessing internal plastic gears that would wear & break faster than metal.

On the contrary, these internal gearboxes are incredibly reliable and last forever. The main thing that wears out a standard transmission is all the sand that sticks to it. Not a problem with a sealed system.

And how hard is it to change a gear these days? It's not like a car where you need to co-ordinate a clutch. I've never felt 'stressed' changing gears on a bicycle, in fact, it's probably one of the least stress-inducing things that can happen.

@@MattExzy - exactly & it becomes muscle memory & almost an unconscious habit to manually change gears. I am very particular about my gear selection matching my peddling cadence as I keep it very consistent, obvious exceptions noted.

My mum doesn't want to express herself through her riding, she just wants to get some fresh air while she rides her e-bike to work. This product is aimed at people like her, not cycling enthusiasts.

@@Finnspin_unicycles My wife isn't an enthusiast and she picked it up in two three days. It's a lot of extra complexity you'll need to pay someone to fix down the track mind you.

With batteries getting so cheap, we need less and less mechanical complexity. Bicycles are being replaced with electric bicycles.

I'm also 17 and think this is great. You can always look back to the past and dream about simpler times, but this product isn't meant for you if your still holding on to a 3x9 system. For new riders looking to get an e-bike this will give them a pedal and go experience. It ain't system for racers, but it could help get more people on bikes which is always a nice thing.

@@Max-ek6nn I just don't see the point, shifting on a bike is so natural and easy. Why overcomplicate it?

@@desertrainfrog1691 depends on how long it'll last. A mechanic shifting system that's open to all kinds of grid will probably not last as long as this integrated shifting system.

Given the fact it's 5-speed innerhub i guess it will be intended for commuters or city-bikes, so there is no point to cry about how it ruins the feel or sportyness of manual shifting. It seems most bikes in those categories get pedalassist electric motors and pairing auto-shift and e-assist will make a beast of a bike, for getting around the city for average Joe. On the other hand, it will be hard to justify spending so much money on the everyday street-parked city-beater bike.

@@arthursnoeck An internal hub is a good idea. After riding a derailleur for 40 year I went to an internal hub and will never switch back. But a 5 gear automatic is something for e-bikes. I changed my cadence from 90 to 100 something that is impossible with an automatic. For many users which just want to get from A to B this is okay. IMHO if it gets more people on a bike I like it but it's nothing for me.

you made reaserch already?

So you replace it and sell the broken one for parts that the repair people need. Most people don't use their gears properly. Most people will enjoy riding a lot more in the right gear. Even if it costs them more. ;)

3 speed hubs are still available and there is a plethora of multi geared hubs from various manufacturers. This is the latest from Shimano catering to the electric bike market.

Not on defaileurs tho. LOL

@@GordoGambler on everything lol

@@GordoGambler Defaileurs? They've been on bikes for the last several decades for a reason, they're simple and work well when they're setup properly.

@@desertrainfrog1691 Cassettes and derailers get sooo nasty and dirty. Pain to clean. It is easier to enclose the chain when it doesnt have a derailer.

@@difflocktwo They aren't a pain to clean if you keep them relatively tidy in the first place. Don't overlube and regularly maintain your equipment. The derailleur is really the best shifting system available for bikes right now.

Shimano: hold my beer.

I bet your razor has 8 blades.

That's what I thought too, hell add a double crankset

@@truantray Only 1 blade, its called a streight razor 🤣

WHY?

what?

@@buttcheek7433 it would be useful to have it downshift above a certain torque at the cranks. The purpose of gearing is (broadly) to manage the torque required to turn the cranks at a reasonable rate.

@@armadillito I know how it works he just said it oddly

That's not how humans produce power..

Sounds like a nice DIY project! Let us know when you have your working prototype?

Release manuals and such to the public on how to service stuff you own

Compared to not shifting, shifting sucks big time. Once you have done thousands of maintenance free kilometers with no mechanical transmission, going back to gears and friction brakes is super annoying.

They just mean putting stress on the drivetrain

Fancy a ride out on my bicycle made for two? You can do all the peddling and I will steer

Every year cars get new options, why not with bikes, do you need them, more than likely not. It's all about getting one over the competition and digging deeper into your wallet.

@STP - Shimano isn't suggesting it. Cyclists are. Several IGH manufacturers have answered over the years.

Chain is much cheaper.

Yes! Simplicity counts. Can we say that this hub adds sissyplicity¿

They are morphing bicycles into electric motorcycles for the growing crowd of lazy people who don't want to sweat.

@@truantray triggered cyclist mad because everyone is faster than him

18 speed Dura Ace will be with you in near future.

With a 50T PIE plate?? LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

I think the pro's have been riding on it, sure some bikes were spotted at the TDF with 12spd

it's partial exercise is for people with slight disabilities who cant ride full bikes.

@@jpval3484 All the old and "disabled" folks I've seen go full assistant, no actual bike riding effort at all, so he's right.

more comfort, speed, range.

Life is so hard for you, huh? Can't pass a drivers license test? 🤣😂😆

​@@UncleFjester I have a license and a car, but I cycle 14 miles (each way, 28 miles total) to work every day because I train for road bike races. I try to bike at LEAST 150 miles each week and this ensures that I do 140 before my long ride with friends on the weekend (usually between 40 and 60 miles). I want to get a motorcycle license, but I gotta pick a bike first and electric is cooler than gas in my opinion. That's all great for the off-season, but when I'm actually trying to stick to a training schedule I need to save my legs for more intense workouts. Having an e-bike would allow me to still spend more hours in the saddle but have fresh legs for real workouts.

Bought a used Cube Touring Pro for 2700$ CDN, drops my car use in half. Ebike will more than pay for itself in longer car life 😝

Why not have options

@@rudygarza6410 because $5000 commuter bikes make no sense in the real world where they will get stolen in 12 minutes.

@@truantray You also have motorcycles for cheaper.

The basic concept of the bicycle may be simple, but it doesn't mean you can't create complicated things to make things simpler for the rider. The mechanics are going to have a field day with these though.

@@nekobytes9187 "make things simpler for the rider"? then buy a motorcycle

Well planetary hubs are making life simpler. Not automated of course. As there are no complicated gear shifters. Just one cord, one gear on each side, and a strong and simple chain. Like a single speed. But with several gears. Very weatherproof, very serviceless. Unlike the 'classic' gears with thin and unreliable chains and shifters. This product is just marketing bs, I agree.

@@enosunim well, i dont know what kind of components are you using on your bike, actually. As an mtb boy myself, i prefer strong and reliable Shimano. Never a problem i could not fix by the road side. The thing here is, perhaps im not made for those kind of stuffs

@@Archer-op9cp I use something that may be called a cargo bike. It is a simple road bike(single speed in nature), which has Alexrims dh rims, Shchwalbe punctureproof tires(or winter marathon in winter), it has forward and back luggage places, SA drum handbrake hubs, rear with 5 planetary gears. I never wash my bike or clean chain. Only change chain once in a year. I use Eni motorbike lube in spray for chain, once in a month or two. Ride it everyday in any weather conditions. Transfer my kid to kinder garden, goods from shops, some stuff for my job, you name it. Using additional cart I move furniture and so one. One year my bike took a lot of time outside in rain or snow, does not matter. And planetary hub had no dirt or water after two years of usage. And I also had never a problem which was needed to be fixed right away, some minor things happened once in a while, but it does not affect riding process. Recently I have added outside motor 350w on forward luggage place, and also SA 3 speed planetary gear on forward wheel, which I use to climb hills or to accelerate, or when I transfer some heavy load. Added one more chain, some more weight. Before that I used Inter 3 hub, it is not so much dirt resistant, but it lasted for 3 years, and still was usable, with minor defects, I serviced it every half a year. SA hubs also not very complicated, so I can service them myself as Inter 3 hub. I would not be able to do such bike on classic gearing. It would die quickly in such conditions, and I would had to service it very often, which I have no time for.

Pastime? Bicycles are for getting from A to B. This is for mobility, not for playing.

@@difflocktwo Hahahaha, what nonsense. Did you really write that? I can see you have commented similarly on other posts. Were it not for the human tendency to play, cycles along with everything else humans have invented would not exist. Stop being so serious and pull your head out of your bottom. Only someone fully in the grip of modernity could write such crap.

@@daveparsons6956 bro shut up, it‘s mainly for efficency and i also think maybe belt drive is really great on this, bc belt drive bikes always need an internal system and here you have an automatic one

@@iwillwatchyourbacknooneels7850 Hohoho..... Internal hub gears are the least efficient, it'a nothing to do with efficiency, it's a marketing led decision. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting piece of technology but another example of an over-complex answer to a non-existent problem. Not sure what you are trying to say regards the second point, it seems you're saying belt drives are great because they need an internal hub geared system. I don't follow that reasoning at all, because there isn't any to follow bro.....

@@daveparsons6956 bruh u dumb i said that in general autimatic transmissions are there for efficiency and ease to drive like in cars, cars with automatic transmissions have better miles per gallon and waste in general less energy, so this system for an electric bike would certantly increase range and for belt drive i didnt mean that they are great because they use internal gear hub i said this is a great solution for a problem that many belt drive bikes have… so dont come here with ur bitchy attitude

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