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Stringy Chips Wrapped Around Your Tools? Mark Has a Solution! - Haas Automation Tip of the Day 

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If you’ve ever experienced a rat’s nest of stringy chips wrapped around your tools, this video is for you! Mark shows you a simple way to throw those chips off the tool before they have a chance to build up, and reveals a cool new feature in the Haas NextGen control that can eliminate the problem altogether. Fling off those stringy chips now! Before they cause broken tools, damaged probes, bad surface finishes, or tool changer problems!
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Комментарии : 162   
@1985mgraber
@1985mgraber 5 лет назад
These videos are very helpful. They played a part in me purchasing a brand new VF6 for our shop, our first ever non-mazak CNC. We love it, and i just incorporated the "E" value into a program I am running right now. My operator loves me right now. Thanks Mark.
@johndonlan5956
@johndonlan5956 2 года назад
This idea is brilliant...... Reversing the spindle direction in order to clear the chips out of the flutes! We all run into this problem, especially on soft aluminums or hard super alloys. This might even counteract chip welding problems.
@daxshell242
@daxshell242 5 лет назад
couldnt help but chuckle at the reversing solution. sometimes with machines like this, you just expect to have to throw money at the problem for some other $5k ultra high pressure coolant pump deluxe 3000 add-on, while the solution could be so simple.
@ipadize
@ipadize Месяц назад
sure but having the $5k ultra high pressure coolant pump deluxe 3000 add-on is better than not having the $5k ultra high pressure coolant pump deluxe 3000 add-on
@NateAIM
@NateAIM 3 года назад
I've been a CNC machinist for 20 years. I seriously did not expect to learn something new today, but there it is. Birds nests are often a rookie mistake from underfeeding and I've usually found work arounds by feeding hard enough to break the chip and running the process up fast enough that pecking, broken chips, heavy chips and centrifugal force does the job but adding a spindle reversal like this on your control is a great idea. Well done.
@allenhansen9093
@allenhansen9093 8 лет назад
I appreciate all these videos, keep the good stuff coming guys!
@wesco123
@wesco123 7 лет назад
Always bright, clever, professional thoughts and approaches wrapped up in a first class presentation. Great work. Thumbs up!
@grenadegoboom4967
@grenadegoboom4967 3 года назад
Im no professional but i do own a Haas. I really appreciate these tips as i would otherwise never get exposed to "real" machinists in an industrial environment. Priceless for a home gamer like me.
@michaelwashuck8153
@michaelwashuck8153 4 года назад
Really enjoying these tips. Been in the trade 22 years now but still learning so much.
@sjmunoz
@sjmunoz 3 года назад
I used to do the reversed spindle, but later the spindle motor had issues because we werer working on thousands of holes drilling 33 thousand times later reversing the spindle, motor didnt really like it... Also, pecking isnt the best way out since it tends to overwear out the drill. We managed to settle all those issues by using higher feeds BUT also putting a stronger inside coolant system to cool off the drill during the process and to get those chips out (we drill deep holes)
@ccfrankenstein7363
@ccfrankenstein7363 11 месяцев назад
I love watching these videos and then go back to work running a 1995 vf4 that doesn't have those features 😂. I ran into an issue where my boss programmed a drill cycle that not only built up the chips but also got the counter weight swinging momentum in the back of the machine. Those were interesting issues to fix.
@moonryder203
@moonryder203 8 лет назад
Awesome tip! Thanks!
@naushilb
@naushilb 6 лет назад
Thanks for this, it was super helpful while machining nylon.
@aaronjay4896
@aaronjay4896 6 лет назад
Reducing rpm has always worked great for me and usually improves finish as well. Plus actually increases tool life since the tool is getting coolant.
@milinddudhe774
@milinddudhe774 2 года назад
Due to this may cycle increase?
@aaronjay4896
@aaronjay4896 2 года назад
@@milinddudhe774 no, feedrate stays the same.
@thedraggon2010
@thedraggon2010 7 лет назад
Awesome tip. I've got a job in working on now that I have this chip problem with on a 5/8 end mill from plunging a counterbore. I'll be using this for sure.
@ramonbenitez3757
@ramonbenitez3757 4 года назад
I'm in the College studying CNC Machine Shop, but, I learn o lot with your page 👍👍 thanks!!! Keep doing good job & teaching!! Have a good one
@ColonelKlank
@ColonelKlank 7 лет назад
Use Helix Bore! It's faster and you eliminate the chip problem before it starts. You also have better control over size since end mills cannot guide themselves accurately when plunging.
@heatmahnz4949
@heatmahnz4949 8 лет назад
saw the title, and thought to myself "is he going to talk about reversing the drill and dwelling?" and then I laughed, I figured this out in a machining forum a few months back, saved my ass with some Delrin Jobs
@modernpsalmist
@modernpsalmist 4 года назад
I discovered this solution on my own a few years back, but it does have to be used with a dialed in chip load to get heavy enough chips to make it effective at all. Of course, there are a few more things that can be done with negligible time difference compared to an M04 and dwell, I would add a peck to that counter bore, or interpolate with a smaller endmill before adding wear on a machine.
@luisgamez9941
@luisgamez9941 4 года назад
As always great content from you guys.
@173roberto
@173roberto 7 лет назад
amazing video Mark! I want to be your student. Cam you tech us how to properly calculate, Lahe feed, speed and depth of cut?
@nhrifle
@nhrifle 2 года назад
These tips are gold!
@umangu
@umangu Год назад
Information that I totally did not need to know but is still interesting to learn!
@user-tq3pv6ky9k
@user-tq3pv6ky9k Год назад
Hi Mark , how you doing I want to say thank you for your videos. I don’t understand the whole English because my first language Spanish but I’m really appreciate your videos. I follow you for a while and again thank you very much for that information God bless you. 👍 i’m always trying to do my best better than nothing.
@jimburnsjr.
@jimburnsjr. 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for being you Mark... you've taught me a lot about the code.... i am a fan
@mtlfpv
@mtlfpv 3 года назад
Love this tip of the day series
@francisjoly3862
@francisjoly3862 6 лет назад
Would you recommand doing this with a live tooling attachment on the lathe?
@Aidandgreat
@Aidandgreat 3 года назад
Man's a Genius
@Dumbc0mment
@Dumbc0mment 3 года назад
what a workshop, nice tip, thx for sharing it :)
@Secondscapes
@Secondscapes 2 года назад
You can also use the programmable coolant nozzle to walk the string down as you have spindle reverse
@danw5157
@danw5157 8 лет назад
Improper speeds feed and improper machining techniques are usually the culprit as shown in the video. I rarely have a chip wrapping issue. Tubing mat is the biggest chipper for me. Most of our machines have through the tool coolant, that helps. Typical materials I machine are Stainless (303, 304, 316, 416) Alum, variety of steels.
@dmitritmb1010
@dmitritmb1010 6 лет назад
Whot will affect the spindle resource? This drilling method will cause high spindle wear?
@JetNmyFuture
@JetNmyFuture 8 лет назад
Curious how well this works with smaller tools. I have always managed this issue with speed, feed, and tool choice but sometimes it is tough to get clean drilling. Peck drilling is my last option because it is so slow.
@Tito112309
@Tito112309 6 лет назад
Any tips for this but on a lathe? Usually boring bar and drills
@dexm2010
@dexm2010 5 лет назад
So that's why that stuff happens? Now I know....good stuff. BTW this is a neat trick, and this channel is awesome.
@chrigul1
@chrigul1 3 года назад
On the first look very clever. BUT it will make the process longer and it will stress the spindle motor I guess.I usually go for feedrate or clever chip breaking. After all, the only operations in witch I might have some chip probs are threading and boring. But also in these operations there is nearly always a sweet spot, you only got to find it.
@franciscoburgos9277
@franciscoburgos9277 6 лет назад
I'm about to finish school for machining. Already got my nims cert next is set up. These are great tips thank you
@haasautomation
@haasautomation 6 лет назад
Francisco Burgos - Sure. This same principle will work on live tooling (spinning it backwards to throw off chips). Unfortunately, it doesn’t help up with static tools, when drilling on the main spindle. Congrats with getting your NIMS! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
@thundercuck1779
@thundercuck1779 6 лет назад
Hello, I am not from your country but could you explain what qualification that is, I'm interested
@carloanthony8661
@carloanthony8661 4 года назад
You can also add the reversal to your post processor.
@010Darshan
@010Darshan 5 лет назад
Hi, Can you have optimized end mill feed & speed data for aluminum, M.S., S.S. etc How to get super fine finish with ball nose.
@erd39030
@erd39030 8 лет назад
Can a G84 work the same if I don't have NextGen? Or reversing before while at the bottom of the hole will cause more problems?
@10223220
@10223220 5 лет назад
Great video l will have to give it a try 👍
@richmayfield8449
@richmayfield8449 6 лет назад
It would be great if this was an option in the NGC post processor! Is it?
@vishwanathsh7385
@vishwanathsh7385 5 лет назад
Good tip thanks a lot
@melgross
@melgross 6 лет назад
Great one!
@hellyeaseabass9715
@hellyeaseabass9715 6 лет назад
Any tips on clearing chip wrap from a boring bar? Tried reversing doesn’t help
@fattyinger
@fattyinger 7 лет назад
Will that work for tapping too?
@samiseghir3887
@samiseghir3887 6 лет назад
Very good!
@lumpygasinavacuum8449
@lumpygasinavacuum8449 7 лет назад
Thanks. Great idea.
@brandongriest44
@brandongriest44 5 лет назад
I love these videos, but i have a question; does reversing spindle direction work for gundrills as well? I use solid carbide at a pretty speedy feed-rate but I still have issues with clumps of chips and I don't want to peck with the depth i'm cutting at
@TheHuesSciTech
@TheHuesSciTech Год назад
Sounds like you should just try it and report back
@skmetal7
@skmetal7 8 лет назад
Could you use a slightly smaller endmill and helical interpolate the hole? Then you'll have small ships and not strings.
@haasautomation
@haasautomation 8 лет назад
Definitely. Changing the way we approach the part, to prevent the stringy chips in the first place, should always be our first choice. This is an if-all-else-fails tip; but, if all else fails, it can be really useful.
@pwest3732
@pwest3732 6 лет назад
I notice on my TM-1P that the spindle load meter shows, for just an instant, 100%. Is the OK for the spindle? Otherwise this tip works great.
@trevorchinn6301
@trevorchinn6301 Год назад
This works with the drill cycle, can we add this to a tap cycle as well? Specifically the G84
@omle922
@omle922 4 года назад
Nice tip also my problem.... thank you
@haping1
@haping1 2 года назад
Super helpfull. Tip: For tapping (in Aluminium), using thread milling instead.
@redrocketengineering6255
@redrocketengineering6255 4 месяца назад
does this also work on live lathe tooling? on NGC?
@TCBHale
@TCBHale 5 лет назад
Wouldnt instanly reversing the tool shorten the life of the spindle quite alot?
@markbarrett785
@markbarrett785 3 года назад
Thanks Mark!
@bilelzaimi
@bilelzaimi 6 лет назад
Perfect 👌 thanks for all teacher
@noelduggan72
@noelduggan72 4 года назад
Good Stuff!!!!
@jeffreyschmiedeck4254
@jeffreyschmiedeck4254 3 года назад
I would use an mo1 before the tool indexes so I could remove the stringy chips .
@sebastiantaylor2600
@sebastiantaylor2600 5 лет назад
Does anyone know if there is something similar for Fanuc controls? Thanks!!!!
@rextransformation7418
@rextransformation7418 5 лет назад
Ok, THAT is interesting! Thanks a lot! :D
@gptech2444
@gptech2444 8 лет назад
I wonder if the Fusion 360 team could add this as an option to the post?
@vishwanathbangalorerajanna3359
@vishwanathbangalorerajanna3359 2 года назад
If we are tapping no. of holes, if we stop and reverse every time doesn't consume more power ? i.e accelerating, braking and reversing again to cutting direction.
@Chennai861
@Chennai861 2 года назад
Sir, possible means pls do doosan hmc machine problem
@southychittamath7747
@southychittamath7747 3 года назад
Do you have show me how set up mill and lathe
@skullfucker3381
@skullfucker3381 3 года назад
great solution
@jeffnix621
@jeffnix621 Год назад
Can the E2000 be used with a G73 drilling cycle?
@spasticchicken5140
@spasticchicken5140 4 года назад
cant plunge with a true end mill on slot drill there's no cutting edge in the centre but nowadays a lot do soo
@RamKrishna-qy8pu
@RamKrishna-qy8pu 2 года назад
Hi... Dear Sir, Wonderful performance Thank you❤
@cdffreeman6663
@cdffreeman6663 5 лет назад
Love this guy's
@maciekzado5272
@maciekzado5272 7 лет назад
Yours tips are very helpful for me. But why is not there polish subtitles in newest videos?
@haasautomation
@haasautomation 7 лет назад
Hi Maciej, we are working on Polish and Czech translations for our new videos. Check back soon
@KrisRyanStallard
@KrisRyanStallard 6 лет назад
After you turn on the CC, there should be an option for "Auto Translate". This isn't as good as having human made subtitles, but it should help.
@faxxzc
@faxxzc 5 лет назад
Haas Automation, Inc. You missed your opportunity to write "Czech back soon"
@hardikparmar9329
@hardikparmar9329 3 года назад
Is there Cosmos Mitsubis conraller coad
@ruisantosfonzico5402
@ruisantosfonzico5402 7 лет назад
im working on a hass 750ss, we added this E2000 on our post processor it was all great until our machine was getting some vibrations during machining and bettween tool changing some tools were falling. we contact support of haas on portugal and they correct that vibration and the tool change doing a downgrade on our machine software, all great again but when the machine reads the E2000 nowadays she dont assume the 2000 rotation and instead she goes until the max speed of spinde 15000 and until the spindle gets to that speed it adds a lot of time to the drilling. very lame from haas we are expecting a upgrade to software that corrects this and some other bugs since january or february. to the ones who have correct software on machine this e2000 is a beast in clearing chips, to the other ones like me just cry day and night
@akshaykumarbadiger4287
@akshaykumarbadiger4287 5 лет назад
Super method sir chips removing
@saurabhdhiman19
@saurabhdhiman19 5 лет назад
Now this is Awesome..
@krishnenduroy6343
@krishnenduroy6343 7 лет назад
thanks mark
@umairmohammad1885
@umairmohammad1885 8 лет назад
Can anyone tell me the latest version of software? a technician from Haas came to repair my Cnc because the battery was dead, he changed the battery and asked me that which software version I want him to install, the latest or that was installed before! before there was a software version of 2009 and now there is a version of 2011 is that a lastest version?
@user-ts6oc6og4r
@user-ts6oc6og4r Год назад
I tried this for a spiral tap but the chips are still caught in the grooves of the tool. Does anyone have any advice on reducing chip buildup on spiral taps? It's a 10-32 tap so using a thread mill is not possible for me. Thanks
@anthonypuariea8051
@anthonypuariea8051 2 года назад
Anyone know of a way of skipping the reverse of the spindle till the last hole on a G73 cycle? My R plane is low and won't spin the nest off till the last hole and I'm concerned I'm wasting cycle time.
@austinyates4923
@austinyates4923 5 лет назад
Does anyone know if there is a way to program the spindle to reverse after each hole inside of Mastercam? We don't have Haas machines in our shop
@xSchattenfluchx
@xSchattenfluchx 5 лет назад
You could always write a postprocessing script to add the reversal and dwell commands after each G81 into the gcode file.
@swapnilpujara6306
@swapnilpujara6306 7 лет назад
awesome...!!!
@SatishKumar-fs1ji
@SatishKumar-fs1ji 7 лет назад
sir we are facing same problem in turning center where chip is not getting broken and whirling around insert ,because of this in component we are getting burr mark mainly in finish operation , so we increased feed and corrected coolant ,used peck drilling but still we couldn't solve this problem. pls give us better solution if possible
@jbbauer0
@jbbauer0 7 лет назад
Decrease peck depth to around .050
@andrei93andrei
@andrei93andrei 6 лет назад
Doesn't work in my HAAS VF5
@efrenm8826
@efrenm8826 5 лет назад
Does this code work with any other cnc machine (Bridgeport hardinge v1000) or just haas?
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName
@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName 5 лет назад
The E value would only work with Haas. Would expect to see other builders follow suite soon.
@efrenm8826
@efrenm8826 5 лет назад
@@JustAGuyWithALongScreenName cool thanks
@mikecarroll3132
@mikecarroll3132 3 года назад
Can this be applied to a tapping cycle? That would be awesome, if it can!
@markterryberry4477
@markterryberry4477 2 года назад
Not in the same way, no. We have a video that talks about the chips during tapping, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bkrUzGooA9k.html and one on peck tapping as well, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yBK1MN_Q9J0.html
@mikecarroll3132
@mikecarroll3132 2 года назад
@@markterryberry4477 Thank you! We did just find out our new VF10 was set to "off" for the rigid tapping. As far as the peck tapping, we had always used multiple tapping cycles in the code for the different depths. Didn't work so well with that setting!
@Ebugster
@Ebugster 8 лет назад
Greate!!! Tip!!
@hairon6028
@hairon6028 4 года назад
WOW , I feel dumb now lol , been machining on HAAS for 23 years . Time to try this , So I can get rid of that damn M00 , BEEPER!!! remove chip! Thanks
@jenspetersen5865
@jenspetersen5865 2 года назад
Great advice if you manually program the GCode, but we cannot figure out how to do this if you build your GCode from Fusion as we do! Do anyone know?
@markterryberry4477
@markterryberry4477 2 года назад
We'll have to reach out to the Fusion Post Processor folks, and see about adding an "E" value, and a way to control it, to our Post Processor.
@jenspetersen5865
@jenspetersen5865 2 года назад
@@markterryberry4477 Your responsiveness to improve everything around your product is great! Hats off!
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 5 лет назад
Spindle reversal is a nice trick, but it must make a lot of additional electrical consumption, no?
@harshpandeyascociatebuyerofrcm
pls explane the g10 for 50 piec
@mansk567
@mansk567 5 лет назад
it will affect the machine spindle?
@haasautomation
@haasautomation 5 лет назад
Man sk - Probably not. Although it is possible that if the spindle does not have a tool in it and the chip is long enough, the chip could damage the spindle taper. - Haas Automation
@butteredbiskit3497
@butteredbiskit3497 5 лет назад
I only get a bird's nest on my taps and I doubt that's gonna spin it off. plus I'm so used to it that when the tap is about to break, it doesnt collect chips any longer.
@nemesi1177
@nemesi1177 8 лет назад
that works with mill machines, what about lathe machines?
@liquerinfrnt
@liquerinfrnt 5 лет назад
I know this is a bit late (2 years so lol) But I've had good luck with using an insert with a more aggressive chip breaker, using the correct rake angle for the hardness of the material, and taking a heavier depth per cut to create larger chips that break easier (6s and 9s rather than strings)
@Worrsaint
@Worrsaint 5 лет назад
@@liquerinfrnt Stalling for a split second every so often also helps break chips similar to peck drilling. For small runs and one offs, doing this can save a lot more time then trying to figure out the perfect insert, feeds and speeds when manual turning. Might be more of a pain to program for a cnc though.
@liquerinfrnt
@liquerinfrnt 5 лет назад
@@Worrsaint most CNC machines actually have a built in peck drilling cycle, so not too hard at all
@Worrsaint
@Worrsaint 5 лет назад
@@liquerinfrnt I was not talking about drilling, I was talking about turning. Ex. Turning the OD of the part, or boring the ID of the part where you tend to rats nest on the workpiece or the boring bar respectively. Unless you are referring to using the peck drilling cycles with a turning tool instead of a drill bit.
@sohailahmed-yi5jy
@sohailahmed-yi5jy 7 месяцев назад
Drill is big cant increase the. Speed and cant manually reverse the rotation its time taken though we need production
@aj_mcnamara
@aj_mcnamara 3 года назад
Thanks, now I can machine my string cheese more efficiently.
@IBWatchinUrVids
@IBWatchinUrVids 5 лет назад
Come on guys, just stick the handle of your chip brush on the cutter while it's spinning. ;)
@sureshsk7847
@sureshsk7847 7 лет назад
is it a company or just training centre????
@KrisRyanStallard
@KrisRyanStallard 6 лет назад
Haas makes CNC machines.
@tanglaw9832
@tanglaw9832 6 лет назад
原来可以这样操作…受教
@lemachiniste2003
@lemachiniste2003 4 года назад
am i the only one stunned by his shiny head in the beginning of the video? his head is more shiny than the floor he is standing on
@indian6828
@indian6828 5 лет назад
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