Stubborn Honda P2279 after Engine Swap? (Pilot V6) 

Ty Ivan for fixing my dads truck! Next time we wont clean the throttle body! Haha And for all those with the negative comments, the truck belongs to an elderly gentleman who went off the “engine oil life %” instead of changing it every 3-4k miles. And Rock Auto unfortunately was the only choice $ wise to buy a rebuilt engine from during the pandemic. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yes indeed, check your oil. Especially if you have a Kia Soul. At about 70,000 miles, ours started using massive oil (about 3 quarts between oil changes). Kia says this is normal... We brought it up to them several times. Our warranty is now gone so we are stuck with it now. I'll never get another Kia. Thank God I always check oil regularly, in all my vehicles.

I've lost count of all the happy customers that you dealt with. There must be a gold 🏅 🥇 medal award in the offing somewhere. Congrats on doing a great job and going the extra mile to make people happy, especially for the long distance no hopers.

Pretty soon you won’t be able to wash your car without a scan tool to reset something. It’s getting out of hand

Multiple variants of the 2006 Pilot engine. FWD had Variable Cylinder Management, a garbage system at the time with massive engine ring issues. Subject to Honda service improvement. AWD didn't have VCM, so a totally different engine.... Easy to mix up.

Only 4 intake valve seats were ok when the customer had them checked? Wow mate! You picked it in one champ! 👏👏 You also chose well with the reset procedure not having been done correctly! Two outa two! 😃👍💢💥💯😎

I'm on my lunch break from my mobile HV/EV auto tech job, happy watching Ivan do his work lol

If the TP REL value is to high it is because there is a dead spot in the tp sensor and the pcm keeps moving it to find a known good value and if the TPREL values goes above a certain percentage it will throw that 2279 code. the known repair for this is a new throttle body. it is always a good idea to try the free fixes first and prepare the customer that a throttle body may be in their future. Happy Days

Fair play - that has to be one of the best customer vehicle histories I have ever seen.

That vehicle looked very clean. I am happy to hear it's running strong again.

Interesting that the customer was able to provide a detailed history of the vehicle, but couldn't be bothered to check the oil.

I have a 2007 version of that same truck. I had a cracked fitting for the coolant passage that's on the bottom of the throttle body. And I had a hell of a time trying to get a used replacement throttle body to learn. I went through all the proper procedures 5 times. It just wouldn't take. So, I wound up scavenging the coolant fittings off the replacement throttle body and put them on my old one. Cleaned it up real nice and did the throttle relearn process again. It took the first try. By the way Ivan. I had that same minor fish bite misfire on mine too. Turned out to be tight valves. Those things are super picky with valve clearances. To tight = misfire. To lose = loud lifter tap.

Good video! On the early GM's you had to do an idle re-learn whenever the battery was disconnected. All you had to do was start the engine, and hold your foot on the brake for 5 minutes. Most of the time it only took a minute or so.

Samething is with idle learning on honda 1.5dsi engines its a pain to get it done.you have to be more stubborn and keep doing it untill it says done..what a pain in the neck....nice work sir..cheers

Great diagnostic and repair, Ivan! Very stubborn car, but you were even more 🙂 Good catch on the valve seating suggestion - car should be perfect now.

Honda has taught me that in order to do anything, everything must be perfect. It annoys me endlessly! Want to initialize a new park sensor, but your turbo wastegate actuator position sensor is faulty? Nope! Not today! LOL Really good find on this one, Ivan!! Research is just so, so, SO important! :D

I always smoke test every Honda that comes in the door with any induction related issues before doing anything else. The rubber boots on most of these motors tend to deteriorate at a higher rate than any other manufacturer. One minute it can be fine, and the next minute it's swiss cheese.

Now I have valve clearance in the back of my head from you and jakes videos. Great to know service info and procedure. Toyotas are mostly manually reset with a similar warm up and rpm hold. Too bad there isn’t just a screw on all TB and the pcm would just go along with where you set it.

Nice catch Ivan. Good tip to the customer about the valves so he could fine-tune their adjustment!

These things are oil burners for sure. Put a engine in one around 2018. Its been solid but does burn a little bit. Check your oil halfway between intervals if you own one.

Nice video and diagnosis. Looks like everyone is struggling with Hondas right now. I guess the Honda has a learning disability since it took two days to learn the idle after the reset. 😂😂

They might have given a lot of info but it was a lot of wrong info. RockAuto has never sold complete engines Honda's, they've sold rebuild kits but not short blocks. Maybe they got a head? And they definitely didn't do the OEM relearn. As Honda owner, doing it without a Honda specific scan tool is a real PITA (as you found out). I had to leave the car unplugged for at least an hour before the PCM reset itself for a relearn, a few minutes doesn't do it.

No rest for the wicked? Thanks for all your time, effort & wisdom!

you are the man its amazing the cars you fix and not use any parts us parts changers would have changed the throttle body or tps

I cleaned the throttle body on my 2010 CRV a month ago and removed the battery for 10 minutes and do the 3K RPM rev and it works fine. No check engine light.

Similar problem on my 2006 Odyssey with 3.0 JDM engine swap. All kind of problems to include same code and high idle. Redid upper and lower intake manifold gaskets (ouch). New PCV. Did nothing. Utubed all fixes, nothing until someone said they used a Foxwell NT510 scanner. That is obsolete so bought the replacement which was NT530. Cannot remember exactly what I did but the scanner was fantastic. Fixed everything within 15 minutes and been running a year without problem. Like you said the key is to have HDS level scanner. Well this scanner is Honda specific (you have to chose one make) and was $160. Appears mirror capability of HDS. By the way I have several scanners, which gives me some perspective in choosing the best for the money. Neither of my other two, Innova 5160 and OTC Genisys Sys 4, would do anything for the Honda. Both supposedly should have. Yet the cheaper Foxwell NT530 was great. Point being is if you are having scanner level problems with your car, bite the bullet and get a scanner specific for your make of car. That way you are getting something close to OEM capability. I love my Foxwell and if I upgrade will go for one of their models.

Doing an engine on an Odyssey next week, same engine I believe. Fuel trim, idle learn and sometimes crank learn are important with any major engine repair, just like transmissions. :)

Ваня привет!!!!!! Как круто ты делаешь все тесты авто !!!!!! Молодец как всегда !!!!!!!

Crazy when you cant do a simple throttle body clean

Our old Skoda Fabia (basically a golf wagon) from 2005 has the opposite issue. It loves to calibrate the throttle body and relearn the idle. It does that immediately on cold start. Well, the alternator and battery is a bit tired. When it's cold out and you want to drive off (lights on), it throws a code along the lines of throttle body relearn canceled, voltage to low. But it STORES the broken value. Resulting in extreme surging and no throttle response. Connect a scanner, press relearn it learns in 3 seconds just fine and works again for half a year. Annoying quirk :D

Yes,if the engine has adjustable valve lash that would have to be reset at the first 1000 mile or.1500 kilometre run in service. My dad got that done with an as new Mitsubishi 4G32 Saturn 1.6 litre engine in his old L300 Express (Delica) van about 30 years ago,it was an as new engine & the people who rebuilt it had to reset the valve lash at the 1500 kilometre service after the engine was run in. My dad got rid of it & went back to driving Holdens after we got our licences about 25 years ago because we're a Holden family & they're much more durable than a Mitsubishi,he bought the Van when it had done 100,000 kilometres or 60,000 miles with a reconditioned engine fitted & it ended up going by 200,000 kilometres or 120,000 miles,I mean that engine was starting to burn oil when it had done 100,000 kilometres as well but the odometer had clocked over twice (it only went up to 99,999 kilometres) !

You will always be one of the best. Nobody supersedes over you!

I wonder what a good old fashioned vacuum gauge will read ? That method can tell alot ! Just gotta know how to read it !

Yep. Oil is cheap, but without changing it every 3000 to 4000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first, ENGINES are expensive! Even if the Negative battery cable is disconnected from the battery and connected and held to the positive cable, some vehicles still need the Diagnostic scan tool to follow procedures.

Yes, I had my mechanic clean the throttle body and the idle was crap, it was kicking when let go of the gas pedal, shifting bad. He did not do the relearn procedure. I got a different mechanic with Good Autel to do the relearn and it did it the first time, now the Honda 1.8L, 2006 is like new. Thanks. I have tried that as well, I saw that procedure on the net, where Autel was not needed, only disconnect the battery for 15 min. But it did not work. Thanks.

Yes, you have to reset the throttle body parameter if you take it out or clean the throttle plate!

Nice one, and nice helping out Jake too.

Old Chrysler caravan with the Mitsubishi 3.0L after cleaning Throttle body you have to reset with the DBR3 scan tool, IAS motor reset if not reset idle would be at 1300 rpm not at factory spec of 750rpm

Exhaust valves too tight, something to consider next time.

You can try cleaning out the IAC, as they get dirty/clogged. BTW, these engines are picky about the valve lash getting too tight .. thx for sharing the customer’s feedback.

Always great videos Ivan. Thank you.

Well Done Ivan, your expertise saves another one..

I have two old Hondas. A 2006 Civic and a 2010 Odyssey. I check and top up the oil every 20% on the oil life and change it at 100% (which is normally at about 5-6k miles). The "oil life" is not an indication of oil level. Honda could do a better job educating their customers because the maintenance minder "oil life" does give a false sense of security. Although they're clear about in the need to check and top up the oil level in the user manual. One of my old Hondas, the 2006 Civic, with 246k miles, consumes 2+ quarts of oil per oil change interval. It would be off the stick if I didn't top it up periodically. Also BTW you can clean a Honda throttle body without throwing off the calibration by simply putting the ignition on position "II" and fully depressing the accelerator pedal. That will open the butterfly valve. Then just reach in and clean it. I just spray some throttle body cleaner on an old toothbrush and reach in and give it a gentle scrub. Then followup with a paper towel wrapped around the end of the brush. Honda say to avoid hosing down the butterfly hinges because it will wash away their lubrication. No risk of that if you use a brush and minimal cleaner. Personally, I don't think it's even terribly important. I've done it exactly once for each car. I would only do it of the intake is already apart for some other reason. There was never much to clean. Just a thin surface coating of black carbon looking dirt.

Dang. The ol' Marquis has a mass airflow sensor and it is a '96. Great video!

That's a crazy amount of things to memorize and do just for an idle relearn. I blame Honda here.

Nice Mary figure on dash ❤

I know somebody like this, they can't be bothered to check the oil, he says if it needs oil the oil light will come on, he changes it once a year whether it needs it or not, it's a 2016 passat. So last spring he needed brakes and rotors all around, when I visit him and we go somewhere he tries to use the brakes as little as possible because he doesn't want to have to do another brake job, I wish I was making it up but it's the God's honest truth, he does have a bad case of OCD which might be a factor.

I have a Honda Pilot around that year, paint is shot needs an interior but mechanically it is stout, timing belts, trans, brakes rear end etc.. I would drive it anywhere

Ivàn:- always coming through with Great fixs!🎉

Excellent Ivan, I never knew this!!

Great video Ivan as always.

New follower from UK here, great videos 👍

Manufactures making it harder all the time to do some preventative maintenance.

If the TSB says to reset the PCM with the HDS to clear the DTC, you should do it PDQ and ASAP.

Interesting..... ive had a misfire on cyl6 for literally over a year now.... halfway through the 3rd oil change.... i use the same brand scanner you use and there's actually a button to force the car to learn it and i think it has 'snap throttle to 3krpm and let off' in it Well i know ive modified it a ton so ive been doing tons of diag on it because everything has been pretty normal so far, ive done literally everything except check valve lash.... -Engine is in time -Good compression -Held compression for at least 5 min (compression leak test) -swapped and torqued all spark plugs -swapped all coils -swapped all injectors -changed all intake gaskets -changed air filter -cleaned and swapped MAP sensor -switched gas stations, and stepped to 93 for about 500 miles -changed oil (every 3k, on 3rd change) -changed suspected bad o2 And ive also been watching the live data graphs and did some recording and there is definitely a phenomenon happening to the front bank and i wonder if it just might be the valves but i dont feel like dealing with it lol... This is the 2nd engine as the first engine blew up when the mechanic shop over-torqued the timing kit (replaced engine myself and been doing all work myself since) and ive actually got the start of a 3rd engine sitting and ready to be built as a higher-power engine so i dont care too much about this one working except for the fact that i need a baseline tune and data of a good healthy engine to reference...

I always check map voltage at hot idle on Hondas. Tight valves will give you over .95v

I’ve found a vacuum leak at the plenum “hat” (plenum top cover, old gasket bits .. bad seal, causing leak) on this engine using propane.

Thanks for the video Ivan.

I wonder if you let your air filter get really clogged up and then replace it would you run into the same problem.

good call

In the Toyota case, you can clean the throttle body and the computer will just relearn the angles after a few drive cycles. Honda obviously makes the process too complicated.

Nissans idle air learn can be a pain as well

it would seem us DIY'ers may want to buy a few of the older models that match our tool stock & ability levels while their still available.to many of us, the future car market will be much MORE than our incomes can permit.& GOD forbid you need a MAJOR repair with newer vehicles while STILL making payments on them.nearly IMPOSSIBLE by current wage standards as it is now.

Good to know - thx

Great video these trouble codes are not easy to diagnose do you anything about Honda p1399 I have this on 2000 odyssey and random misfire code and all cylinder misfire codes you ever dealt with this issue

Many videos online claiming you can trigger TPS relearn without scan tool. Foxwell NT530 for Honda can trigger relearn $170

Wow I didn't even watch the whole video and had a feeling the valves where to tight. When the intakes are tight it is creating an "air leak"

16:21 Maybe need to do valve adjustment.

That engine looks identical to my 2018 MDX.

I cannot believe that anything went wrong with that car - not with the statue of superwoman on the dash 😇

Hondas are funny, I had one i did a cylinder head (Used a memory saver this is key) because a piece of cylinder 2 exhaust valve was burned away. after repair It started setting a #2 misfire on a perfectly running engine. After 3 hours of swearing and throwing tools, it occurred to me Honda has adaptives in the engine computer, and maybe resetting them would fix it. It slowly learned the misfire as normal, so yes it corrected it. Weird huh?

If they ran it low on oil. It will happen again. It's just a fact I've seen many times

I believe there was a engine recall, seen cylinders scored, same wth mdz

$1000 in repairs after a US remanufactured engine swap. Best to stick with Japanese rebuilds, save money in the long run.

Thanks is that the same procedure for the Honda Element 2.4 engine 😮

This is exactly why I run a car from 2000.

Awesome

Awesome videos. Great information. Which think tool scanner do you use? I'm shopping for one and stuck between think tool or autel maxi pro mp 808 with tpms

What I'm curious in is why you didn't smoke check it? Personally I would have made sure it really is free of leaks before attempting anything, I wouldn't even trust trims if I had a fault like this that is so clear in it's title. The engine was replaced, it's easy to overlook one tiny detail on a large job like that.

I mostly fix my BMW m5 2006 I purchased the Autel MS908 works OK but the update cost is high. Lately got a 02 bank 1 code tried to fined 02 live graph but now has nothing very strange. Can you recommend a good scanner?

Engine oil is very much expensive than to change the engine

Hi buddy I am working on 2007 VW New Beetle 2.5 having problem with brake pressure sensor code p1435 do you have some idea?

2006 and only MAP, no MAF? That's 1980s tech, I thought everyone went to MAF by the 00s

I have a 2004 Lotus Elise that uses an older Toyota engine and its throwing a code P0507 Idle control system RPM higher than expected. I replaced a split vac hose and cleaned the throttle body and idle valve. Idle speed is ok and it runs well, this code may stay off for a few days then returns. Im wondering does the throttle need to be re calibrated similar to this one.

thats unacceptable that you need such tools to just clean your throttle body.. I mean how much is that? on those scanners lets say you bought one for a 17-18 year old vehicle like that and you download the honda subscription once.. will that stay operational forever or do you have to keep an active subscription? the cheapest you're going to get is like what $500 for a tool and then a one time subscription download? but then you don't have access to diagnostic updates.. how much would that be? can you go over that in a video? how much for a DIY Home Repair guy to get a tool and download for say 5 year out of warranty vehicle.. once its out of warranty.. how much just to do normal service .. maybe even some advanced service.. on your own.. at the minimal cost.

Hey Ivan, what's the model number to your ThinkPad ? I'm ready for a better scanner . Thanks .

What kind of scanner did you use to do the relearn procedures

And if that doesn't work time to call Scotty Kilmer 🤪

Why are you in 3rd gear drive ??

Hey ivan, what model Launch are you using?

❤❤❤❤❤

So how long did it take for this vehicle to do the TB relearn? My Nissan does the same as this Honda did and I've let it learn for 30 minutes and still never says learned.

stay away from post 2005 Hondas. They may drive slightly better than Toyotas but reliability is a mess

It is a little ridiculous that the car can't just open or close the throttle to get the desired RPM and just relearn that over time up to some max value.

Invent a phad dongle That you send to your customers so you can do diag and programming relearn over the internet DIY assists $$$$$$$$$$😁

A Honda burning oil !? really!!? I have never heard such a thing i my whole life. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

looks like the owner"s jesus from the dash could not fix it for him lolol

❤🎉😊

🥰

Ahahah guess why I own a scanner with bidirectional control