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UK universities have called for an increase to English students' tuition fees to avoid budget deficits. We asked students at King's College what they thought of this proposal.
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@HM-fu9qq
@HM-fu9qq 7 часов назад
The fact that it's not interest-free is a lifetime of debt. You'll never be able to pay it off as the monthly interest will be more than the monthly payment towards it.
@timmk94
@timmk94 7 часов назад
If you do the maths you need to walk out of uni into roughly a 45k a year job with regular yearly pay rises to ever actually pay this off…
@HarryHughes-nb3fo
@HarryHughes-nb3fo 5 часов назад
It is impossible to pay off.. I left uni in 2020 and currently earn £60k and my monthly interest is still > than the monthly payments They may as well just call it a 9% university tax
@timmk94
@timmk94 5 часов назад
@@HarryHughes-nb3fo I feel ya. It definitely should be called an education tax rather than student loan…
@sovereigncataclysm
@sovereigncataclysm 5 часов назад
It is in real terms interest free, it follows RPI (an index for inflation) This was a recent change last year, it used to be an interest rate of RPI + 3% interest which is ridiculous and will never be paid off not to say i agree with a tuition fee hike
@HarryHughes-nb3fo
@HarryHughes-nb3fo 5 часов назад
@@sovereigncataclysm for plan 2 I believe it is still RPI+3% unless I'm wrong? I just checked my account and interest for August was calculated at 8%
@Jonathan-io2qk
@Jonathan-io2qk 7 часов назад
it's sad that these bright young minds won't be given the same opportunities as older generations, simply because the older generations chose brexit and are determined to protect their wealth. the taxpayer cannot support HE entirely - there must be a serious look at how to protect the educational institutions by balancing the tax burden.
@PJH13
@PJH13 6 часов назад
In fairness to people from older generations, far fewer went to university which is why the govt. could afford to keep it free. This problem stems from 1998 when they started prioritising increased enrolment and introduced fixed fees to fund it. Universities now have to fund themselves by subsidising the courses that are expensive to teach (STEM) with ones that are cheaper (humanities) - that forces them to grow humanities courses and constrict the STEM ones, even though the latter have far better career prospects. It's an economically illiterate strategy that's really tricky to unpick
@0w784g
@0w784g 5 часов назад
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? University places used to be CAPPED. Older generations DIDN'T GO TO UNIVERSITY. When Labour introduced fees and removed the cap, they didn't create better outcomes for bright young people, they created a ponzi scheme. What Brexit has to do with any of this is beyond me.
@spikeychris
@spikeychris 3 часа назад
@@PJH13 "far fewer went to university which is why the govt. could afford to keep it free." - Scotland says hi. Fees for a Scottish student are £1820 per year and are in almost all cases covered by the government plus there is the additional income from the block grant etc. Not to say that the Universities in Scotland don't have their own financial issues (they definitely do) but the student fee debt bubble in England is catastrophically bad and only going to get worse.
@PJH13
@PJH13 2 часа назад
@@spikeychris Hey, I agree there were better ways to fund them and to limit cost increases. There are a features of Scotland's unis that England or Wales simply couldn't replicate though - e.g. only 1/4 of students at Edinburgh are Scottish, the rest pay higher fees
@Pobotrol
@Pobotrol 2 часа назад
I'm fairly sure the stats show that most older people who went to university didn't vote for brexit. I certainly didn't and I'm old enough to have had no fees and a student grant from the council, wahay!
@V_Dubya
@V_Dubya 7 часов назад
An absolute disgrace. As a minimum it should be interest free. These loans won’t ever be paid off
@nathanbrown492
@nathanbrown492 6 часов назад
(these loans won't ever be paid off) But that's a good thing, no? Someone who never 'wins it big' will spend none of the £9250. Edit for clarification in brackets. Also edit: it should be interest free though.
@omegonchris
@omegonchris 4 часа назад
Except they lose 9% of their income above the threshold for most of their working life.
@pauljohnson2177
@pauljohnson2177 7 часов назад
The people at the top of society complain that the economy is not growing and that productivity is problem. Then you shackle our young people with huge debts before they even start full time employment, rather than investing in them. Meanwhile the wealth of the rich continues to grow. Seems as though the change in government has achieved very little real change for the people in society that need it. Why aren’t they going for the mega wealthy tax dodging lot?
@greenvelvet
@greenvelvet 7 часов назад
My God these two parties are laughing at the people. It's just like Democrats and Republicans here in America
@GingerPeacenik
@GingerPeacenik 7 часов назад
It truly is a Uniparty on both sides of the pond. They give us the theater of "cultural differences" to trick us into believing that we have choices, that democracy still exists. We don't, and it doesn't; we all live under a fascist corporate oligarchy.
@darkcymruchannel5683
@darkcymruchannel5683 6 часов назад
they are politicians aka rulers they are ment to laugh at people, people are the workers
@alphasword5541
@alphasword5541 5 часов назад
Crazy. Everyone quick keep voting for Labour I'm sure that'll fix it.
@lighting7508
@lighting7508 4 часа назад
@@alphasword5541 we need to move towards proportional representation somehow. this decrepit system is a nightmare
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 4 часа назад
You do know its the Uni’s asking to increase the fee, not government?
@shinydarknight01
@shinydarknight01 7 часов назад
Before universities were a cash cow they didn't have this issue.
@tonybrett5209
@tonybrett5209 7 часов назад
All that to work in a Call Centre
@evolassunglasses4673
@evolassunglasses4673 7 часов назад
And learn that men can suddenly become women.
@danielawaritefe4589
@danielawaritefe4589 7 часов назад
And the 2 year student visa doesn’t count towards your 5 years to get citizenship and they increased the work visa sponsorship salary threshold from 27k to 38.7k. Companies won’t offer students nearly 40k for entry level jobs. So why would you bother studying here
@johnc_
@johnc_ 5 часов назад
not true in all countries, eg Germany just changed the rules to include years on a student visa
@paulappleyard5832
@paulappleyard5832 7 часов назад
You know what universities could start selling the property they own, stop building vanity projects, reduce non-teaching staff, and 100 other things before they ask for more money from students. The universities seems to think they are already making tough choices they haven't even really started.
@SJ-fr7jp
@SJ-fr7jp 7 часов назад
I couldn’t agree with you more
@PJH13
@PJH13 6 часов назад
The vanity projects were intended (in some cases delusional) to fund themselves in the long run. Pre-COVID, the idea was that new buildings would draw-in international students whose high fees subsidise domestic attendance. Post-COVID though that idea face-planted
@flucazade
@flucazade 6 часов назад
or and hear me out hear how about we just come together as a nation and actually fund education in the UK so people lives are not ruined for the crime of learning.
@PJH13
@PJH13 5 часов назад
@@flucazade I'm all for getting more direct funding to unis but removing tuition fees fully would cost c. £12B / year and tbh I can think of better ways to spend that money in education
@SauberC10
@SauberC10 5 часов назад
​@@PJH13Reverse the 5% cut in corporation tax There's £15billion+, job done.
@seiwarriors
@seiwarriors 7 часов назад
I would solve this problem by just moving away and never coming back here.
@failedrockstar
@failedrockstar 6 часов назад
i did
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 4 часа назад
@@failedrockstarbye.
@andrewgoodbody2121
@andrewgoodbody2121 3 часа назад
​@Believe-you-me- you're embarrassing man 😂
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 3 часа назад
@@andrewgoodbody2121 you moving too? Or just here to moan……
@robertmccann9631
@robertmccann9631 5 часов назад
So I studied a degree from 2005 - 2008. Fees were only 1,200 a year and my loan was only 2,500. Even with that I have only paid off my fees in 2023 having worked in jobs paying above the national average salary for over a decade. Increasing to 15k is a joke and I simply could not considered University at that cost.
@JasononsaJ
@JasononsaJ 6 часов назад
I agree that students should pay their own fees, but i 100% disagree that interest should be chargeable on such loans. It should be interest free.
@dominicparker6124
@dominicparker6124 5 часов назад
In addition to the crazy prices, the salaries the jobs you could even get off the back of them won't help to pay them off. Fees up + salaries frozen = great job!
@westsideisdabest7825
@westsideisdabest7825 7 часов назад
There’s too many Universities offering too many subjects. The emphasis on tertiary education is clearly to keep lower performing universities afloat.
@andyszlamp2212
@andyszlamp2212 7 часов назад
Not only that, either the courses are pointless or the tutors are useless.
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
Yup, and the incentive for the unis are to get students to do the cheapest courses to teach (as the fees are the same no matter what) and unsurprisingly those ones have worse employment prospects
@webreathefootball663
@webreathefootball663 43 минуты назад
That's why learning trades is a better option; you earn and do not accrue wealth in the short run, and you earn more as an electrician/plumber/bricklayer etc.
@mrdanjames
@mrdanjames 3 часа назад
That body represents Vice Chancellors. Who could not be more out of touch… lecturers and support staff are not to blame for this, but they will suffer because angry students will blame them.
@cheeseofultimatedoom
@cheeseofultimatedoom 3 часа назад
Considering the quality of the education you receive, this price is a total joke.
@localshaman
@localshaman 7 часов назад
I went to uni and day one the tutors told us around 70-80% of our fees were going to pay for other peoples courses, and for what we got we could believe it. Is it too soon to put a bet on Labour being a one term parliament?
@YA-hm5zy
@YA-hm5zy 6 часов назад
Labour and tories are as bad as each other
@joetrent4753
@joetrent4753 5 часов назад
If Labour are a one term government, who will replace them? I dread some sort of Tory/Reform government because I can't see the Lib Dems and leftwing parties like Green winning an election any time soon, not least as the rightwing media will not allow it and we know how big their influence is.
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
Depends who you ask. Within the university's budget that's true - arts & humanities courses cost less to teach than STEM so they act as an internal subsidy. From the government's POV though it's the opposite, as STEM grads repay more of their loan on average. It's a silly system that makes no sense for students, schools or the govt.
@thomasmanning477
@thomasmanning477 3 часа назад
My girlfriend is a pharmacist, over £70,000 of student debt and rising.. we recently decided to salary sacrifice her wage down to the loan repayment threshold, and pay it into her pension. She doesnt pay any student loan now. Fuck 'em.
@Damomasts
@Damomasts 3 часа назад
Absolute genius.
@tofukanone
@tofukanone 2 часа назад
Studying in Germany cost me about 600€ a year to the university (which included free public transport across the entire state), so hearing these numbers is crazy. Makes you wonder where that difference goes.
@raquetdude
@raquetdude Час назад
Sheffield, Nottingham Bristol each have two universities. Each should be forced to combine honestly. Should make it so 65% of students are from the UK and Northern Ireland also.
@metalhead2550
@metalhead2550 7 часов назад
I have a friend who has a very high 5 figure income and they are still seeing their owed amount increasing
@global_nomad.
@global_nomad. 2 часа назад
As a course leader in a London University, I think Student loans should be interest free and the government should make up the difference to a realistic cost per student to university. So 9k loan plus 6k top up from govt.
@manybooks4168
@manybooks4168 7 часов назад
If the political will was there there would not be a tuition fee and students would be given a grant. Once upon a time, many decades ago the student grant was enough to cover fees, accommodation, travel, books, equipment, food and beer.
@ster2600
@ster2600 6 часов назад
That was before 50% of people went and studied pointless shit
@joepiekl
@joepiekl 6 часов назад
For a much smaller number of students, though. The issue we've got is universities being asked to fund their ever more expensive courses (staff still need a pay rise every year) but never increase the amount of money they charge to students. It's basically unsustainable. But then so is ever-increasing tuition fees. So we either fund it out of taxation, accept that only rich people can afford to go, force people to take out loans they will never pay off (which future generations will have to clear), continue to increase international students, or reduce the number of students we educate in universities.
@ster2600
@ster2600 6 часов назад
@@joepiekl we don't need to reduce the numbers if: we charge different amounts for different courses and allow employers to sponsor students to study courses
@dominicparker6124
@dominicparker6124 5 часов назад
@@ster2600 'pointless shit' is a ridiculous assessment. Specialisms are important. Humanities are crucial for anyone that works at the level of improving society in any way.
@ster2600
@ster2600 5 часов назад
@@dominicparker6124 I would say STEM has improved society far more...
@tobywhitehead7488
@tobywhitehead7488 4 часа назад
Why bother going to uni? Why saddle yourself with a lifetime of debt that the govt has sold off to private finance, and that the interest just accrues year after year. Sad.
@patarciepaul
@patarciepaul 4 часа назад
Also most degrees don't offer any advancement.
@cenninbach
@cenninbach 7 часов назад
This is disgusting. The universities have to understand that they deter people from studying with them and their income will fall even lower. The university near me has spent money over the years on new buildings that they are now considering closing. And why are Chancellors and management paid so much when those at the bottom are paid minimum wage and are usually the ones to lose their jobs when cuts happen? I know a Graduate tax has been mentioned in the past and that would be much lower than these student loans. **Nurses and Doctors have to pay tuition fees as well. These are no longer paid by the NHS.
@Pierrick2009
@Pierrick2009 5 часов назад
Luckily my 2 kids have an EU passport through their mum and will therefore go to university for free in Vienna !
@garethatkinson2549
@garethatkinson2549 4 часа назад
Labour should be pushing for more graduates. The more educated you are the more likely you are not to vote tory...
@chester6343
@chester6343 4 часа назад
Except reality is in stark contrast to your claim, in aggregate the least educated areas of the UK still vote labour.. also one of the issues people are discussing as part of the national conversation with the education system and institutions within is that they are all liberal left wing types, that's not necessarily a bad thing but when you have 80-90% of professors being of the same political bent then you have to ask yourself is the actual reason because they're educated, or is there an influence from being in those institutions.
@rice4550
@rice4550 3 часа назад
@@chester6343 so why are 80-90% of professors all "liberal left wing types" surely its not because they are educated
@johnc_
@johnc_ 5 часов назад
I hope that people start to leave to go to other countries more, in Germany university is basically free for everyone, in Sweden its free after a year of residence. If Britain is going to treat people so badly I hope they leave and find a better life in other countries
@keycuz
@keycuz 35 минут назад
England and Wales, not Britain. Northern Ireland is less expensive, Scotland is free.
@hg82met
@hg82met 7 часов назад
If Labour does that, they'll guarantee being a one-term party in government.
@greenvelvet
@greenvelvet 7 часов назад
@@hg82met round and round we go.
@BoredomIncarnate1
@BoredomIncarnate1 7 часов назад
They keep getting massive above-inflation increases, but it just ends up wasted on underutilised construction projects and upper management pay increases. If they'd increased the £3000 from 2004 in line with inflation, it would cost £5262 now. Even the £9000 from 2012 in line with inflation would only come to £12579. They have near enough doubled the cost from 2004 to 2024, even with inflation accounted for, yet they still want more money.
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
That's not really a full picture though as they used to receive a lot of their funding in the form of a grant from the government. That's gone down so the increase in fees doesn't really mean more $ for the unis themselves. It's true that some of them are very wasteful but it's not often the ones you'd think of: the main problem isn't underutilised buildings, it's courses that don't lead to jobs - because of the loan system the government spends the most on the worst performing unis as their grads make the least loan repayments
@superhillsider
@superhillsider 7 часов назад
I finished the last year it was £3000 per year in 2009, yep interest free at the time but interest got magically added still paying it off. Christ knows how much people have been paying at £9000 a year and now this. Terrible. Yeah let’s rob people of the chance to get knowledge.
@weeksy79
@weeksy79 7 часов назад
My partner is a teacher, earns £55k and owes £40k+ still (£9k cap)
@itemushmush
@itemushmush 6 часов назад
I earn 50k and my debt has kept going up. it's now up at 60k i think (?) - i've just stopped caring at trying to pay it off
@fab-ian
@fab-ian Час назад
What's the point of raising the fee? Really? No one is going to pay off their student loans and then after 30 years, the debt gets wiped off. Is government just delaying the problem for 30 years down the line?
@dannewman8809
@dannewman8809 Час назад
The loans actually punnish middle class people the most, if you are from a wealthy background and likely to pay of the debt you can pay it before the intrest accumilates and compounds, if you are on a low income you will likely never even dent it but if you are from a middle income background you wont have enough to pay it off before the compound intrest does its work but will have enough to be over the repayment threshold so that a substantial amount will be payed back.
@GalacticRadioNoise
@GalacticRadioNoise 13 минут назад
You make a good point, but class no longer equals income. There are the elite top 5% of earners and then there is everyone else…
@stellacollector
@stellacollector 7 часов назад
And guess who dropped his pledge on university tuition fee? Hint: It rhymes with "Starver."
@omegonchris
@omegonchris 4 часа назад
I mean ... no it doesn't. They're spelt similarly, but they don't rhyme.
@jonmiles7589
@jonmiles7589 7 часов назад
We already means test maintenance loans, why not means test tuition fees? Incentivize working class students, subsidise with international and well-off home students paying more
@PJH13
@PJH13 6 часов назад
It is means tested in a way though. How much you actually repay of the loan and the interest rate is entirely based on your earnings. I'm not saying I like the system but it achieves what you're suggesting
@omegonchris
@omegonchris 4 часа назад
​@@PJH13 The interest rate is based on the inflation indexes, not your income.
@acd1373
@acd1373 4 часа назад
I like this idea, but one of the problems is that rich people can already pay their university fees up front, and avoid the graduate tax altogether, if your parents have already paid private school fees of £8k per term or whatever then £15k a year for uni sounds like a bargain to them. It already entrenches generational wealth, even if you graduate with a great degree and get a job with excellent pay you’re still 9% of your paycheck poorer than your colleague whose parents paid up front, and that could continue your entire working life.
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
@@omegonchris It's based on both for anyone who borrowed 2012-2023. It was RPI + up-to 3% depending on your income - luckily they just got rid of the second part
@Oralmoot
@Oralmoot 4 часа назад
The state, It's agencies and universities have forgotten the utility of education can do for the nation
@FredSaav-o1t
@FredSaav-o1t 2 часа назад
Very smart move since they are not longer receiving more foreigners students as they used to be it makes sense to increase the price for local students
@moshudoduwade219
@moshudoduwade219 5 часов назад
A government is suppose to make people’s lives better! We live in barbaric times!
@JimmyCRM114
@JimmyCRM114 4 часа назад
I think they introduced fees a couple of years before I went to uni. It was FREE! so it went from free to £3000 a year, then went to £9000 a year and now they want £15000 a year?!?! When it was FREE for decades. This country has fucked me and younger generations over since 2008 and I'm sick of it.
@siskinedge
@siskinedge 7 часов назад
Wouldn't it make sense to make employers pay a percentage of income for all jobs that require a degree to fund universities similar to national insurance? The other way I could see it working is to swap the debt to a graduate tax that each UK citizen agree's to pay on all income, even if they leave the UK. The interest is so high on student debt because of how few will pay it off and the financialization of it. The UKs universities are one of our few remaining comparative advantages as a country and their mismanagement is shambolic.
@YA-hm5zy
@YA-hm5zy 6 часов назад
This is far too sensible and helpful to people for governments to consider.
@andymeh499
@andymeh499 6 часов назад
Student debt is technically already deferred to taxpayers.
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
That's essentially what we do though, albeit in a different guise. The loan system is essentially a tax on jobs that require a degree because it only kicks in at higher income levels. The problem is this has no effect on the unis some of whom run poor quality, cheap to run courses; because they get paid the same no matter what happens to the grads afterwards
@100Noddy
@100Noddy 52 минуты назад
If you study in Scotland it is free, if you live in Scotland three years before your course starts.
@andyv123
@andyv123 3 часа назад
Brexit and the Tory parties immigration policy is what has caused this 🙄
@battmarn
@battmarn 3 часа назад
In recent years the number of lecturers has increased by 50%, students by a similar amount, but administrative staff have increased 200%. Pretty clear how we can avoid needing this
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 4 часа назад
This is the fee the universities are calling for. They don’t want UK students.
@vanessaeden8174
@vanessaeden8174 6 часов назад
That is why the Open University was first designed by the Labour Party as Uni was too elitist.
@robinmoore3649
@robinmoore3649 3 часа назад
The irony of being interviewed by St Andrews alumni for this topic
@calexico66
@calexico66 4 часа назад
Given that many junior lecturers are on zero hour contracts and that a lot of classes are done by them and not senior professors. The question is where is the money being spent in Universities in the UK. I think there's a lot of administrative and management responsibilities on the higher cost burden.
@ganrimmonim
@ganrimmonim Минуту назад
I was the last year to get my fees paid for me. 1997-2001 back then, it was three thousand pounds a year. I did an MA, paying for it myself. If the fees were as high as they are now, I'd have a great deal of hesitation about doing a degree. It's worth remembering that now a lot of jobs require a degree that didn't back when I graduated in 2001. We also need a lot of people qualified to graduate level this is not the way to get them.
@moshudoduwade219
@moshudoduwade219 5 часов назад
Person who is educated is a person who is free!
@timmk94
@timmk94 5 часов назад
To the people saying that these loans will never be repaid, I don’t think the point is for it to be repaid (since plan 2 most will never be repaid). This is so the government can say it’s reducing costs (whilst also paying more in the long run) let’s not forget this is the party of PFI where we got £12bn and will end up paying £82bn back all so that years national accounts would look better…
@moshudoduwade219
@moshudoduwade219 5 часов назад
Enoch Powell the second will be PM or DPM on this country. Shame!
@timwoodger7896
@timwoodger7896 5 часов назад
Keep the commoners in the factories where they belong! Kieth Starver is not for the working class.
@joetrent4753
@joetrent4753 5 часов назад
Is this the Labour parties proposal because what I'm hearing is it's the universities calling for higher fees?
@patrickdegenaar9495
@patrickdegenaar9495 3 часа назад
Schools with class sizes of 30 cost the state £5.8k per pupil. So it could be feasible to have teaching only universities with large class sizes which are chraper. But then we are back to a two tier system like the old polys.
@oliverwalker3007
@oliverwalker3007 6 часов назад
It's also 7% interest so the interest will out strip any repayments you make.
@jovianr9498
@jovianr9498 4 часа назад
Well, that's Tory Starmer for you.
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 4 часа назад
The irony of this being about education. Its not the government wanting to increase the fees. Its the university’s 🤦‍♀️
@johnc_
@johnc_ 5 часов назад
The tax burden in high for lower earning people, very rich people pay basically no tax
@Fortune-z1i
@Fortune-z1i 5 часов назад
The student loan book was sold off to a private company. That should never ever have been allowed. The fact that it starts to be paid off when earnings are £26,000 is a disgrace. Why do employers treat graduates as if they are school leavers. It’s a pittance. Who can even buy a property on a salary that low?
@PJH13
@PJH13 4 часа назад
Because nowadays most school leavers do go to Uni so it doesn't have the rarity value it used to. This matters less if they've picked up useful skills but too many courses don't give them that - why would I pay more for a 21 year old who's spent the last 3 years studying creative writing than someone who's spent the last 3 years working and learning their job?
@beltingtokra
@beltingtokra 2 минуты назад
You don't pay a penny back til you start earning above the threshold! I went in 2011 and barely pay the interest, it's just an extra bit of tax that's taken off your income after uni. If uni will help you, don't let the fees stop you. But absolutely investigate other options that might help you more. 😊
@brianfmccarrick9197
@brianfmccarrick9197 7 часов назад
Why tax our childred .
@Doubt1286
@Doubt1286 7 часов назад
gov has immigrants to feed
@dominicparker6124
@dominicparker6124 5 часов назад
because the establishment doesn't think poor children matter. "them plebs can work at primark" etc
@Lenniefinch
@Lenniefinch Час назад
It’s definitely a deterrent
@isabella7131
@isabella7131 7 часов назад
as much as it is bad to hike fees, this country needs to decide which degrees and unis are actually worth going to as most are useless, people forget that german unis are free but lots of people go into trade in their school system there as opposed to the uk
@Slowbiker1957
@Slowbiker1957 4 часа назад
Like it used to be The government should put more money into real apprenticeships
@obiwanjabroniX
@obiwanjabroniX 6 часов назад
Be like Scotland, strike on campus for free tuition.
@paulmorley4733
@paulmorley4733 4 часа назад
Spend money on education, or having your arm tattooed? It's a difficult decision for a mental health student!
@ebutuoyYT
@ebutuoyYT 3 часа назад
University SHOULD be for the most academically gifted, it should be free for poorer students, ranging to bloody expensive for wealthy people, quite a few low grade universities would either close or be repurposed. It should guarantee you, within reason, access to the upper echelons of professional life. However, university level education should be available via apprenticeship style programs, these of course would for subjects with practical applications, there should be clear and easy path from learning basic trades to advanced apprenticeships, for those that discover a good aptitude to learning Online education to diploma level should be either free or very cheap, for people wishing to change careers, or just for continuing education purposes.
@senarmstrongfanaccount
@senarmstrongfanaccount 2 часа назад
does no one here understand that it's the universities and not the government that are proposing it?
@SkinnyLegend1800
@SkinnyLegend1800 2 часа назад
Most students with 9k fees won’t pay it off anyway let alone 15k
@TheStaticgate
@TheStaticgate 4 часа назад
All that debt to be a Starbucks barista or an activist....
@challi5109
@challi5109 3 часа назад
Wont this just encourage UK students to go study in europe, making the unis even worse off?
@stormyprawn
@stormyprawn 6 часов назад
It's not really a loan though, it's more of a graduate tax that you accept for getting financial support for your education. If I never pay off the loan before it's wiped, it wouldn't matter if I had £9, £9,000, or £90,000 debt left. It would only affect the most successful students.
@isaacmason3939
@isaacmason3939 4 часа назад
Unpopular opinion: Just dont go to university. I know so many people with degrees they're not using its actually insane. I got an apprenticeship after high school and im years ahead of my sister who went to university despite being two years younger than her
@davidwilliamhollyhead5561
@davidwilliamhollyhead5561 Час назад
I had mine up from £3k to £9k.
@paulhayes7972
@paulhayes7972 7 часов назад
I only watched the start of the video, but i dont think this has any effect on most uni students. We're not going to pay off the loans as it is already, so increasing tuition fees will only act to increase the governments spending when handing out the loans. I believe the recent changes to the structure of repayments (40 years repayment, lower starting band) could have been put in place in order to afford the increased cost to the government.
@fran_cusp_id
@fran_cusp_id 7 часов назад
lol international students might want a word...
@kieran7409
@kieran7409 6 часов назад
You can go to your own universities though
@felixlagemann8109
@felixlagemann8109 4 часа назад
But do we need so many students?
@chester6343
@chester6343 4 часа назад
No basically
@stroobzz6754
@stroobzz6754 2 часа назад
Go to uni to more than likely work in a supermarket or a building site
@gavinsmith9564
@gavinsmith9564 4 часа назад
Sunlit uplands of Brexit Britain, where the streets are paved with gold, and there is a unicorn on every driveway.
@mikehamnett9336
@mikehamnett9336 Час назад
It’s easy. Downgrade the polytechnics and FE colleges back to what they were and engage with big business to give them a real say in vocational courses so students come out with usable skills. Make the old universities funded by central government and limit the numbers so university education is a reward for academic excellence rather than a trade off for a lifetime of debt. It’s called investing in the future of the country. I’ve taught at university. They are under real pressure to accept absolutely anyone because they need the money. They then give almost anyone a degree because the quality of a university beyond the top 10-15 is measured by league tables and they need to show a high percentage of successful students in order to attract more students . I have friends who will only hire from a handful of universities because the majority produce dross and even the good ones require retraining, even the PhDs.
@plagiarisedwords
@plagiarisedwords 6 часов назад
A lot of white collar jobs used to be available to A-level students. I think thats the direction we should go towards. Govenrment should incentivize companeis ro hire people st age of 18. Then you are earning and not piling up the debt
@benjaminanderson6856
@benjaminanderson6856 Час назад
So glad i did a degree apprenticeship and got a free degree, bwat way to go these days.
@charlesvt2010
@charlesvt2010 2 часа назад
Or you could pop over to Finland an not worry about it , in some cases they'll help with support , don't go to the US unless you want to triple your debt
@seiwarriors
@seiwarriors 7 часов назад
The only way out is letting the market decide and having many unis just go bankrupt or merge so that then the gov has a viable reason to make it free and the gov will have the funding at least for then
@emissary_of_aldebaran
@emissary_of_aldebaran 6 часов назад
Oh dear, how will Tabitha be able to have her uni 'life experience' and subsequent year out to tour the world?
@FalseKing98
@FalseKing98 5 часов назад
at this point... will it make any difference? since it's impossible to pay off anyway for most people (mine is at 70k rn, not paid back a penny). they'll probably only get the extra money from rich kids whose parents pay upfront to avoid the interest so one could argue it's ironically a bit means tested
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- 4 часа назад
What if you get lucky and earn a decent wage?
@bocbinsgames6745
@bocbinsgames6745 2 часа назад
I make a top 20% salary and with the 7.3% (!) Interest on my (currently) 60k+ the mandatpry payments don't even cover half of interest So I guess graduate tax it is
@ywiggan
@ywiggan 2 часа назад
Do students actually pay off all the debts or just a fraction of it 🤔 from what I've seen ie from The Russell Group lots of shinny new buildings, Nottingham is like studentsville so many new developments for student accommodation it's obviously where they are spending the money 💰 and VC salaries. I wouldn't be very happy if I am asked to pay more tax to bail out any university.
@markgorman8120
@markgorman8120 2 часа назад
Disgraceful
@youngg5099
@youngg5099 26 минут назад
whats david raya doing in this vid?
@Cashback13
@Cashback13 6 часов назад
Proportional Fee Paying Systems NOW!
@kevwills858
@kevwills858 7 часов назад
Dumb priveleged rich people pay for education .. Smart underprivileged poor people do not need to pay for 'Tickets' to be respected .. Life is Simply Nouse and Applying what you love about Yourself, your Heart or your gifted Brain to rise above money and addiction..
@GingerPeacenik
@GingerPeacenik 7 часов назад
A person with a degree generally makes a million $ or £ more over their lifetime than a person without a degree does. Look that up for yourself.
@NicholasRichmond-dn8qh
@NicholasRichmond-dn8qh 7 часов назад
End of the freebie and bank of mum and dad. Smart money has shares in Andrex in the city of London 😊 cold firehose works wonders
@RichardEnglander
@RichardEnglander 7 часов назад
Labour introduced Tuition Fees. This is what we have to do if university is to be for half the population. The solution is to scrap all the funding for joke postmodernist courses and critical theory etc, cancel loans to anybody earning a First in engineering etc. make university exclusive for smart people, Merit, Excellence and Intelligence instead of DEI ane Gender Studies
@hypotheticalaxolotl
@hypotheticalaxolotl 7 часов назад
Or you could NOT do that, and actually create a society of thinkers. But, oh, no you don't want thinkers if they don't think like *you*.
@hannah42069
@hannah42069 7 часов назад
cancel loans to anyone getting a first in engineering??? are you stupid? do you want the country to have absolutely no engineers
@MRFUCKOFF202
@MRFUCKOFF202 7 часов назад
​@@hypotheticalaxolotl Yes because we have an abundance of doctors but we are crying out for more "free thinking" gender studies graduates who will glue themselves to the magna carta and stop grapists from being deported.
@GingerPeacenik
@GingerPeacenik 6 часов назад
The hysteria over "gender studies and liberal arts degrees" is divisive manufactured right wing bs. The vast, VAST majority of students are getting nursing, medical, law, engineering, physics, business, finance, etc. Not everyone dreams of being a plumber, an electrician, being a RU-vid influencer or running an Etsy shop.
@sciencefliestothemoon2305
@sciencefliestothemoon2305 6 часов назад
​@@hypotheticalaxolotl True, but also the world runs on engineering, and for that STEM are needed Not thousands of social science graduates that don't understand why their area is not a science. Or bugger off and use the knowledge to work at Google and Facebook to make the stuff more addictive
@morphok
@morphok 7 часов назад
meh, once your not paying it back over your life of work what does it matter if its more expensive?
@kms367
@kms367 7 часов назад
It matters because you (and us all, collectively) still have to pay that back through our taxes in the future, meaning even further worsened public services etc
@morphok
@morphok 5 часов назад
​@@kms367 sorry I don't follow your logic, unless this extra money is going to university profit (and if it is that's very different) then there is more money required to keep the university going for whatever reason. That shortfall will come from taxes and the government whether or not it pretends to be a loan or not for a while in the middle. If I'm paying back the same £x every month and I never pay it off and reach the write off age, I don't care if £1000 or £100,000 gets written off at the end, i've still paid the same £x each month.
@catherinemartin6258
@catherinemartin6258 4 часа назад
Isn’t capitalism great 👍🏻
@chester6343
@chester6343 3 часа назад
Except unis don't operate under a free market, when the gov has stepped in to cap uni fees you end up with what we have.. high admission, low effort, low value, low merit 'degrees' that aren't worth a wank. Unis, at least 'high education' is supposed to be elite. It's supposed to be for the best of the best. Not everyone cuts the mustard, like it or lump it, it is what it is and forcing it to change has made it worthless.
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