The lunch ladies or whoever told them not to lock the doors was unprepared and clearly not trained. I’m so sorry for the loss and injury of these students.
Having lived in Hubbard Hall and on that campus for four years, nothing she said made sense. I think she was panicked and her story is a mess. I don't think she's lying, but I don't give any credit to her story at all. I believe her door was locked when she got there - most students lock their doors when not home. She also had the key to unlock it. And there are somewhere around 3,000 dorm rooms in that 4 dorm complex - the university would not be able to lock all those doors even if they wanted to. And why would they want to? I also believe the cafeteria workers were still working because they had probably been told that the shooter was about halfway across campus (nearly a mile) and they weren't in any danger at that time. All the police wanted from them was to stay put. It is safer, and they didn't want thousands of students all over the streets while they were trying to find a lone shooter.
It made no sense to me. I lived in Hubbard Hall - right by Akers - it is not near Berkey Hall or the Student Union where the shootings happened. Unless there was a 2nd shooter, if shots were reported there, it was in error. I do know that cops fanned out all over campus to tell people to shelter in place, so maybe they just panicked. And one thing that doesn't track is her claim that all the doors were locked. Locked how? And by whom? That complex has four big dorms with somewhere around 3,000 student rooms, and very few people with master keys. And WHY would they lock dorm rooms? And if her door was locked, she probably locked it when she left, and could just unlock it! It's not as if there was time to put padlocks on 3,000 doors!
My nephew goes to school here. My heart dropped into my stomach when I heard about the shooting. My nephew is thankfully fine. Love and hugs to all of MSU
Being caught up in a shooting is not something that ever crossed my mind when I was at MSU. I hate that these kids have to deal with this stuff nowadays 😔
I literally go to my high school daily wondering when it's going to happen. Just a couple days ago we did a shelter in place and my brain immediately went to danger. It was just a kid who was like sick in the cafeteria or something. Obviously I'm truly sorry for the kid, but it's so so sad that I, or anyone else, will immediately jump to the conclusion that there is a threat. There's been too many incidences in the past year or so. Oxford shooting, about 40 minutes away from my high school. An 11 yr old 6th grader found with a 9mm hand gun in their locker at my brother's school, Pierce Middle School at around Christmas. The several threats at South Lyon High school constantly. There was a bomb threat at Milford High school just a few weeks ago. Now this. THIS IS JUST IN MICHIGAN!!! I've heard rumors about threats at my school and it's honestly just so terrifying to go. There are cops constantly in the high school for security reasons like such but is it even enough at this point? at this rate??? I go to school to learn, to be successful, to have a future in a career I am content with. NOT to worry if it's my last day alive, NOT to risk my life!!! I'm 16 years old and I'm worried about going to school and DYING?!?!?!? The worst part is we have shooters like this who kill off and hurt people, and then just go shoot themselves. Why?! What was the point?! What was the purpose?! What was your goal?! To not die alone?? To make other's feel sympathy for you?! NO!!!! Instead now they will go to school and picture it happening again. HOW COULD YOU BE THIS SELFISH?! AND SOME OF THESE STUDENTS WERE JUST IN THE OXFORD SHOOTING!!! NOT ONLY DID THEY HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT ONCE, BUT TWICE?! What has society come to?! I can't even begin to comprehend the amount of trauma some of these freshmen experience due to being in TWO shootings. TWO! I haven't even been in ONE! AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN TWO!!!! Absolutely absurd and sickening. What has been done about it??? WELL CLEARLY NOT MUCH IF THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER 4 INCIDENTS IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS!! TWO!!! FOUR INCIDENTS IN THE SPAN OF TWO MONTHS!!!! LESS THAN THAT!! THAT'S LIKE ONE INCIDENT EVERY TWO WEEKS?! This needs to stop!!! It is out of control!!
I am glad the reporter DID NOT interrupt the two girls talking......they were working off their high adrenaline rush.....and the 'crash' of coming down from that rush......happened later.....Glad the girls were safe....but RIP to the deceased.
They complained about wanting their tuition refunded while people were fucking dead on the scene. They're disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves.
Fight or flight is a very powerful response. My heart goes out to these young kids. Back in my day it was a bomb threat. Its so sad this pervasive domestic terror.
Who said they didn't have a plan ⁉️ Right next to Lansing the capitol. FBI, State Police, Campus police and Easy Lansing police. They are totally on the know. One of the best Universities for study, Football are the other sports. Very well known. 👍🙏
They were not close to the scene of the shooting. The closest was nearly a mile away. That said, in the age of mass shootings, it would be easy for some to panic, and that alone can be traumatic. The fact that the cafeteria workers kept working tells you that police had told them there was no immediate danger in their area. But a manhunt would be much harder with thousands of students taking to the streets - so they wanted them to stay put.
Oh, poor babies,I feel so much for you, for you are young, and this is the time of your life when you are supposed to be safe, happy & carefree. Instead, you spend your early years doing drills in preparation for mass shootings (in the best of cases), and at worst, being traumatised by the real event. Your society is failing you terribly. I wish you all lots of resilience and may happiness and laughter fill your days again and help in your healing process 💜💜💜
Babies, yes. Sadly brother, we are only "safe' and sheltered when we are minors living in a blessed country like ours up to this point. Have you heard what's going on in Ukraine and Turkey? It's time to grow up and face the facts. I would've lost my mind long ago if I did not have hope that God is going to "reset" things back to the way He had it in the beginning: no death, no pollution, a beautiful garden hangng out with Him where everyone got along. That is where true peace is friends. I pray that these girls and all of us can find that peace in Him too, because He loves you too, just as much and wants to help.
RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. My brother is on the swat team. He says it is better to run to safety if you can. If you can't you have to hide in a room with locks, lights off, not visible.
These two girls are just amazing, the absolute clarity to describe the situation, the calmness that exudes even through their anger over the lack of communication they describe during this awful situation. Kudos to them.
Since what they reported makes absolutely no sense to someone like me who attended MSU and lived in Hubbard Hall, and since the actual shooter was about 3/4 of a mile away from Akers Hall, it seems to me, they were panicked. Their story made no sense - which is common when a person is in a panic. There were no shots fired near there, and if her dorm room was locked, it's probably because she locked it when she left. They don't have the people to lock the thousands of dorm rooms in that complex that fast, and if they did - she still has the key to UNLOCK it!
Never so long the gun industry feeding the Americans that lie called Second Amendment+ gun industry lobbies controlling politicians... Wake up its only happening in America
When we become more aware. The veil will drop. All pervading recusant. The deceiver forfeits its alleged control and authority. This fear game transforms to love. IMO - Man.
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@@anderstermansen130 fine you do what needs to be done just be prepared for the hell and the consequences that you're going to deal with if you killed that shooter yeah vigilante cuz you took the law into your own hands that has been going on for goddamn decades now that's why I wish there was a vigilante in Texas so he can take care of him save the kids but he's going to be hated 😎💯
@@anderstermansen130 I'm from the city what you're trying to say violence here almost everyday but it's been tone down you think you can survive in the nineties or eighties I believe you can but my family member's otherwise will say no my grandfather was a veteran Korean War 😎💯
If anyone was listening to the police radio, the cops and dispatchers did an outstanding job! The problem was that there were a million people calling 911 with bogus tips saying the “three shooters are on the roof”, or the shooter is in this and that building. They had to systematically clear so many huge structures. Adults get scared too. And thank God the cops had those huge guns protecting everyone! This isn’t a criticism, these girls should be so proud of themselves. They fought a battle i pray to never experience, and they are so traumatized. I just wanted to let people know that the cops were also fighting for the lives of these kids with all their heart.
@jyotikumar1898 🤦🏻♀️ they refer to themselves as being kids. Everyone in this country over the age of 30 calls college age folks kids, it is in no way ever received as anything but affectionate. I’m 37 and older people in my community still call me kid. It’s a term of endearment. So, maybe try to learn about the culture before sniping at someone.
@jyotikumar1898 And who the fuck are you? They are kids, and they acted like kids. They're 18 years old and dumber than shit. Their rhetoric was straight out of a self-indulgent social media platform, the same source that clearly rotted their brains, and they were obviously biased towards the same law enforcement that did everything in their power to protect them, and did a magnificent job. They speak as if they were more afraid of the cops and their "big guns" than the actual shooter. They cared more about their tuition feeds being reduced when people are literally dead. They're a pathetic display of how far our youth and education system has fallen, and yet you're here preaching that they deserve respect? Fat fucking chance.
@jyoti Kumar it has nothing to do with respect. Human minds are not fully developed until their later 20s. They stated what any undeveloped mind would say. They are kids. They are someone's kids. You may call them young adults if that helps you mentally but they are college kids just learning about adulting. It is the process of life.
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If ever you are in a situation where there are shots fired, look for exits points. Doors, windows, bathrooms , fire exits. If you cannot exit, find a quiet place and keep low and quiet and call 911. This is so important to always be aware of your surroundings and look for the closest exit . My condolences to all the students . I hope the university give mental health support, because this can and does have a lifetime of PTSD.
Akers is a mile from the shootings. See what mass hysteria due to rumors can cause. The vast majority of students living on campus were nowhere near the crime scenes.
1997 was when the school shooting happened at my school. I STILL feel like it was a dream and I’m going to wake up that morning on december 1. It’s been 25 years and a few months and it’s fresh every day.
Do you take measures to protect yourself and your family today? Having been in a traumatic situation where you was completely helpless, did that change your perspective on being your own savior? Or do you continue going about your day like nothing like that could ever happen and if it does someone else will come save you? Do you at least carry pepper spray?
@@redacted8008 u realize THEY couldve died too right? theyre also the people who had to go through countless lockdown drills all throughout their middle school and highschool years. they are extremely desensitized
Applauding this news team for allowing students to take cover in their van. Thank you for being good humans and part of the solution during a traumatic event!
My friend has gone to MSU and he was able to get through the doors without an ID by just forcing himself through. Blocking the doors isn’t helpful as you think. MSU is about to get a huge lawsuit
For someone who says "I can't speak or even think right now" and still does like them, are still in fright, fight, traumatized mode. All Colleges/Universities need to provide "active shooter drills/procedures" for all their young adults students and faculty/staff.
Most ridiculous directive I've ever heard since its freezing in MI and they are not dressed for it .The first thought was right which was to barricade the doors!
That's their report. They're clearly biased towards law enforcement, courtesy of their education. Ironic that law enforcement response was phenomenal and likely saved many lives. But aww, they were cold out in a field for a few minutes, poor babies, please tell me more about how hard you have it as literally hundreds of university, local, state, and federal law enforcement, fire department, and emergency services storm your fucking campus to ensure your safety at the highest level.
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Teach all students how to safely carry and use a firearm ...then let the ones carry if wanting to....right now they are told to "run, hide, and fight.".. really?.. that's the solution?
There are survivors of the Oxford shooting who go to this college now 😮💨 MSP screwed up another mass casualty response 😒 Prayers from the other side of the mitten ✋💔🤦
Gun free zones! A lot of those students probably have concealed carry permits and are not allowed to have their guns to protect themselves on school property
Yes because all around the world the other bad guys register their weapons so we all know the factual statistics of gun ownership. Stop it. I bet the guns HRC sold to the Lybians have all been counted huh?
Kids are going to have to consider home schooling and even online college if possible. This generation is in jeopardy. It's just too clear things are getting far worse than ever. You can thank bad parenting.. social media. They obviously want attention and don't think the consequences are that bad. and what we're hearing there is.. they are NOT! Getting off on probation community service!? This country is insane!
I saw the writing on the wall 10 years ago. I left America to go start a family. I would never raise my kids in a country where you dont know if they will get shot at school on a daily basis. Complete madness.
Rules need to be in place , stay clam, don't run over other people, file in place, leave safe . People will Stampede like a bunch of cattle and kill people. Training needs to be more in place there it sounds like, this is a nightmare.
@Carol Ferguson yes however this is a giant college campus. completely different protocol. also, they were not teaching how to evacuate up until last year.
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@@marcoantoniogodoy9526 It’s a pity for you I’m not a Republican, or anything close to right wing. However, I was in next door Lansing when the news broke, I heard the sirens, and listened to the scanner radio. The situation was very complex on a very large campus.
How many people had a weapon to defend themselves and others 🤔 If people were armed when crap like this happens it wouldn't last very long and knowing this it would most likely discourage people from doing it in the first place. Arm yourselves folks, it could save your life and many others. 🙏
I get they got that adrenaline running, but when they are looking for a shooter and helping shot people, they aren't gonna stop to give you information like your the press
Gun Free Kill Zones are awesome. When seconds count, help is minutes away..... Another great oppertunity to roll out more common sense gun control laws....law abiding citizens must be disarmed!!!
Are you being facetious and sarcastic?? We DO have that "Right"...and, LOOK at what is happening! Mass Shootings in other First World countries are RARE. We are the Laughingstock of the Planet.
No they weren't. They just regurgitated all the anti-cop rhetoric they were taught at the university while those same cops they despise worked their assess off insuring everyone's safety. They were a fucking pathetic display of how far our education system and youth have degenerated.
Back in the day - students at Northern Michigan University had lots of guns. Because we hunt up here. No one was ever shot. And should some nut decide to shoot students they'd be dispatched very quickly.
This is horrific this needs to stop we can't keep shrugging our shoulders and act like another day in America maybe all schools and universities need different security measures idk , but things need to change
Michigan State is massive. They should have some kind of PA system. Akers is so far from Berkey and the Student Union. Other buildings so far away shouldn’t be guessing what is going on when what’s going on is clear across campus.
Tell da truth? Of what? Police bad? The same police that showed up in the hundreds and stormed the campus with the sole goal of saving as many lives as possible? Go soak your fucking head.
Are they complaining?? How about do what the cops say if they say freakin run RUN.. they know alot better and have the right shit to protect you.. in a time like this run for ya life and hide with ya friends.. you dont wanna stay in and run into this creep.. stay safe
