One of the most underrated films in the history of cinema. Brilliant film extraordinary message. This should be shown in today's schools but that would reactivate honesty, discipline, and active thinking which goes against the present plan.
When I look at that student, Sedgewick Bell, I see an emotional neglected child, a teenager that is no doubt a victim of his own parents bad work as a role model. This movie resonates with my school memories. Unfortunately we only live once, and in some aspects there is no second chance to rebuild our own life. At this point, we can confront these two quotes: "A man's character is his fate." ― Heraclitus (c. 500 BC) “You can't go back and change the beginning but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ― C.S. Lewis (1898-1963) Great movie, with a timeless message. 👨🎓⏳
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
@@davidm9935 The point of the scene is that Bell was displaying blatant stupidity and mocking intelligence and knowledge in a place of intelligence and knowledge, and discipline. And the teacher put him back in his place
Most Fortunate for this student to encounter such a teacher. One who just so happened to know how to cure stupid.. This makes one realize that stupid is actually a choice..
I don't think it is a choice though. Stupid is stupid. The word stupid implies an inbility to learn, ignorance on the other hand isn't, at least to a point.
It really is. A good strong will is the most important ingredient to success. Money is a product of success, not its source. If you do anything else, you're a tyrant at best.
one of my favorite lines was in the directors commentary *NOTHING IS REALLY A SURPRISE IN LIFE** No matter the exceptions life IS PREDICTABLE. foster character, build virtue, WORK for something valuable and in the end that is what you will have. On the other hand, continue in the lack of character and that is what you will end up with.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen this. I think all the teacher was trying to do was just show him that when you have the attitude that you’re above everything, you’re only making yourself look like a fool to everyone
The lesson one can learn from such a thing is, although they are laughing along with you, they are doing the work. There are three types of people in this scene, the teacher, the students and the clown.
I love this so much idc how many people would think today a teacher would be wrong for putting a child in their place like this... Teacher are the most under paid people on this earth
Some people do struggle more to retain new information because of lack of cognitive ability, but "lack of cognitive ability" isn't the same thing as what Mr. Hundert is talking about here when he cites an "Aristophanes quote" (the quote was actually made up by the writers of the movie and there is no evidence of Aristophanes having said this, but the point is still a good one). He's talking about Sedgewick's stubborn refusal to take his education seriously.
This realization alone means you are less likely to become him. Do you really act like a spoiled brat and openly disrespect your good teachers? Do you lie, cheat, and steal just to get what you want?
I guess this is clip shows the problem of selecting parts of a whole to make a point. The whole movie is a morality play and this scene in particular is just to show how this character was a walking morality problem. If you see the movie you see that the teacher fails the student even though he means well and that even he does not measure up to his own standards amd that the student was never meant to become a standup guy but an indictment of a type of priviliged rich elite.
I watched this with my parents when i was 10 years old and it was the start of me maturing as a young kid. My parents ended up typing up quotes from the movie and putting them in me and my brothers rooms. Think i need a watch for a refresh because im slipping a bit
This film is one of the greatest ever made dealing with the theme of ethics generally and academic integrity in particular. Sadly, the world has learned nothing from this great film and ethics are in the toilet. And as for academic integrity, we have only to see the disastrous products from Harvard, MIT, NYU, Columbia, etc., etc., where plagiarism and propaganda are the main things being "taught" at those institutions today.
That quote couldn't have been better or said. Unfortunately in today's society iam often overwhelmed by a movie "idiocracy " that is actually taking place as I txt. Its sad....
why?? He is the typical personification of the self righteous pompous DisRespectful rich Lording it over a man who is trying to instill character, virtue, and he laughs all over it.
Memorizing large amounts of data is a task that computers will do better than humans. It is increasingly more important to have an open mind and be capable of asking the right questions. Perhaps there is an important problem which requires knowledge of the policies of a particular Roman emperor, but that knowledge will likely be found through a search rather than rote memorization.
The message the teacher is conveying is not that rote memorization is the key to success, but that Mr. Bell isn't even trying in the class at all. Over forty emperors had been discussed in the class, and he didn't attempt to name one of them. Instead, he opted to challenge the teacher through making a joke of the course. He's not trying to be open minded about the course or ask the right questions. He's closed his mind to the course entirely and would rather horseplay than see if there's merit in learning the material. Also, I'd think rather than saying "I'll google that", you'd rather be able to say "Oh yeah, I know that!"
It doesn't help that Google has the information for you if you don't even know what you're searching for. (Or even that there is something worth searching.) I may not be able to precisely remember something that I learned by rote in school, but the fact that I can recall that I learned it, and the general gist of it, is what allows me to look it up now 30 years later and make use of it. In other words, it empowers me to "ask the right questions".
The Greatness of the men that had conquered and contributed,.. is what is being taught. These Great men are honored by being remembered , respected and Emulated. Their truths can only be taught by seeing them as men and not ambiguous men of old. It is a tragedy that virtue is not instilled in today's leaders.
They're school kids, what kind of "important problems" do you think they should be solving in a history class? They're there to learn history, and part of that involves familiarising them with the basic names involved.
Instead of working to build rapport with a student, let's humiliate him in front of his peer group. This is an example of a what a real teacher should never do. Also, his curriculum seems to have an awful lot of rote memorization in it - why are the students memorizing all these names? Can they do any higher order thinking?
@Jason B. Oh please, he built plenty of rapport with all the students. Segwick chose to be adversarial and got an incredibly mild and appropriate response from the teacher, essentially just "wow you've learnt nothing while all your peers know this stuff easily". The students have memorized those names because they're the fundamental categories upon which all of the subsequent information and discussion is based. It's kinda like asking why teachers ask preschoolers to recite the alphabet. 🙄
