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Su-30(With Thrust Vectoring) vs F-16C, FA-18C, Su-27, Mig-29 & M-2000C: Dogfight | DCS 

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@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
NOTE: the green info box shown at 1:49 is only partially working, some values are not reading correctly.
@jeremyaudet3810
@jeremyaudet3810 10 месяцев назад
I'd like to see the su30 with thrust vectoring against the f22 and f35a
@kuhnville3145
@kuhnville3145 10 месяцев назад
So I just got this mod about a day ago and everything seems to work at face value but for some reason my countermeasures and mirrors don't have any function
@Anarchy_420
@Anarchy_420 10 месяцев назад
@@jeremyaudet3810 I made this request-- Thrust Vectoring Models, F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30! Plus F-22 and F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-57 and SU-30, lol and or all combinations!👍
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
@@Anarchy_420 Would only make sense if those also had EFM
@EmelieeSofiee
@EmelieeSofiee 10 месяцев назад
Hey would you be ok linking my website under the video? I am the voice actress for the navigation system haha I would love that
@jjay3494
@jjay3494 10 месяцев назад
That was a very enjoyable video! :) We're glad you are having fun. There is a HUD declutter functioning in the mod but it only works when you enter A-A (FC3 mode 2) first; and then modes such as vertical scan; bore sight; HMS. If you enter one of the 'dogfight' fc3 modes right away via keybind it bugs out. This is because the feature was implemented somewhat late in the update's development; it will be corrected in near future. o7 :)
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
Awesome thanks
@professionalprocrastinator8103
@professionalprocrastinator8103 10 месяцев назад
It's an external flight model but it's not high-fidelity, otherwise they would've used high-fidelity tools to generate the aerodynamic data. Still, they did a great job on the programming front to get the thrust vectoring to work.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
Noted
@Anarchy_420
@Anarchy_420 10 месяцев назад
​@@grimreapers hb The Thrust Vectoring F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-30 ;) You could even do some kinda Tournament or 2 VS 2 with The F-22 and SU-57 now as well!🙏👍
@smallguy1074
@smallguy1074 10 месяцев назад
In the new 2.7.3 update they updated the outer flight model. They have vapor cones and wing shaking and rudder shaking is improved.
@magnitudefallout3944
@magnitudefallout3944 9 месяцев назад
​@@ruska9773are you sure you are in the right place?
@Snowycaaa
@Snowycaaa 10 месяцев назад
watching the test flight reminded me of an RMAF airshow with their su-30 MKM. quite the spectacle that thing. a beautiful jet dancing in the air
@gezagombas6290
@gezagombas6290 10 месяцев назад
Video and mod is seems to be great. And only one time in my life I saw a real,low altitude TVC dogfight demonstration. At the Zhukovsky airbase, the MAKS-2019 airshow. The two Su-30SMs was piloted by the father and son: Vyacheslav Averyanov vs Evgeny Averyanov. The copilots was Russian Navy pilots, I already forgot the names. It was really impressive show. They used the TVC system very very smart mode. I hope in the next years will be MAKS again, and if I have enough money, I will go again to see it!
@Mazit76
@Mazit76 9 месяцев назад
Согласен!!! МАКС нужно посетить!!! Это очень впечатляюще!!!
@Gribardson
@Gribardson 10 месяцев назад
Simba in the F-16 was marvelous flying there. Also nice shoutout to Gonky & Mover there by Simba at the end. Good channels.
@trev8591
@trev8591 10 месяцев назад
That was rather amusing! Happy New Year, GR and Viewingtons.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
You too!
@jorje58965
@jorje58965 10 месяцев назад
you could have recovered in the last fight at the very end if you weren't in 3rd person. With thrust vectoring you could keep your nose pointed up and thrust out of there like a heli.
@ironman6527
@ironman6527 10 месяцев назад
One of my biggest complaints in DCS is how planes handle in really low speed situations. Some get choppy, some control surfaces freeze, some just act all weird. This mod seems to work well.
@ashtonreid6039
@ashtonreid6039 10 месяцев назад
This mod is (as you know) thrust vectoring so it'd going to handle better than a normal aircraft that's got no airspeed to flow over the control surfaces
@ironman6527
@ironman6527 10 месяцев назад
@@ashtonreid6039 Of course but that isn't what I was talking about. What you are saying is something I expect. What I am talking about is what I believe is a coding issue about how they handle physics at super low speeds. The Raptor mod is a great example. Trying to do the spinning leaf and it gets all jerky and doesnt look right at all.
@ashtonreid6039
@ashtonreid6039 9 месяцев назад
@ironman6527 so of course you were talking about a modded plane as one of your biggest complaints in the game?
@BumpyLumpy1
@BumpyLumpy1 2 месяца назад
@@ashtonreid6039 Exactly. mods don't have realistic flight models no matter how hard the creators try. they can get very close but not 100%. so it is not an issue with DCS.
@subjectc7505
@subjectc7505 10 месяцев назад
The Su-30 is my favorite Flanker next to the Su-35
@BblastedD
@BblastedD 10 месяцев назад
Flying this way seems similar to those 4 wheel steering carts at ikea. Cant go straight to save your life.
@timothybayliss6680
@timothybayliss6680 10 месяцев назад
When you leave the thrust vector enabled, it bleeds energy badly.
@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E
@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E 10 месяцев назад
The new Su-30 is a pretty good aircraft.
@Ski48519
@Ski48519 10 месяцев назад
“Fox 4” 😂
@BCSchmerker
@BCSchmerker 10 месяцев назад
+GrimReapersAtomic *Thanks for the demo fight.* An Indian Air Force / Sukhoi-30 Serijnogo Modernizatovenn'yj Komercheskij's advantage is up to pilot training. Perhaps the Su-30SMK would be at its best in a one-circle fight. Time 08:09 "Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off! We've had a midair, we've had a midair!"
@Mobius118
@Mobius118 10 месяцев назад
Those blue burners are horrendously beautiful
@Anarchy_420
@Anarchy_420 10 месяцев назад
Thrust Vectoring Models-- F-22 and F-15STOL/MTD VS SU-57 and SU-30!🙏👍
@zahnatom
@zahnatom 10 месяцев назад
seems very purpose made for "snap nose around and fire missile"
@Mopartizan4774
@Mopartizan4774 10 месяцев назад
Fox 4 was hilarious. Thanks for the video
@christophero55
@christophero55 10 месяцев назад
I think we are all being blessed by Papa Nurgle this holiday season. We have the mutant takes-three-weeks-to-recover cold and the stomach flu going around here right now. We had a family gathering for Christmas and absolutely everyone got sick.
@jmtpolitico80
@jmtpolitico80 10 месяцев назад
Happy Holidays!!!
@terencyowens9491
@terencyowens9491 10 месяцев назад
This... But with a F-15 STOL EAGLE vs. the SU-30.
@jcremeringful
@jcremeringful 10 месяцев назад
Hilarious GR as always!!
@tomomar123
@tomomar123 10 месяцев назад
"Hello Valley'ed Vuers" - when I know I'm in for a good time.
@Jamenator1
@Jamenator1 9 месяцев назад
The thrust vectoring seems to have a big flaw in it. As far as I'm aware, IRL each nozzle is only 2D, but the axis are canted to form a V shape, to allow rolling input to cause yaw. However this mod seems to have a yaw axis to the nozzles which is separate to the canted vertical axis. I'm not sure now realistic this is, as I can't find any info at all on the existence of this yaw axis. With the real life system, it cannot induce yaw and roll separately. It can only produce yaw and roll in the same direction at the same time
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 10 месяцев назад
Bede aviation built the BD-5J micro jet (the Coors Light Silver Bullet), and the BD-10J, a compact supersonic jet. I was hoping they would build the "BD-15J" a compact Super Manuveuring civilian airplane. One of my designs is the BAJA-15. My version of a Super Manuveuring civilian aircraft . It looks like a miniature X-31. 😂 I wonder if a lifting body with large LEXs combined with standard wings would increase the "off axis" flight performance with the thrust vectoring.
@No1harris_98
@No1harris_98 10 месяцев назад
I see a flanker, I click and I enjoy.
@zbeen-ah-lah
@zbeen-ah-lah 10 месяцев назад
“I want to understand the enemy”
@jmtpolitico80
@jmtpolitico80 10 месяцев назад
Thanks Guys!
@GiGaWattMan
@GiGaWattMan 9 месяцев назад
i laughed so much i started to cough and die laughing " there is so much symbology" things i never thought i hear during a dogfight 🤣 i love the videos cap i feel very valued as a viewer
@Terengineer
@Terengineer 9 месяцев назад
How about Su-30(With Thrust Vectoring) vs WW2 Jets dogfight?
@Alextreme1993
@Alextreme1993 10 месяцев назад
How did you remove reflections from the instrument panel under the HUD? I want to do the same because those reflections that are there by default are annoying, like glowing
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
I didn't realise I'd done it TBH.
@Shannon-Smith
@Shannon-Smith 10 месяцев назад
IMO, Simba is just a complete natural in this game. He is almost unbeatable. I'd love to see what he could do after a weeks dedicated practice with it.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
Well, the only other proper attempt at TVC was done by Deka, as far as I can remember. Theirs was a phantasy Easter Egg in the JF-17 module nobody seemed too keen on taming however. Although I'm also guilty of that, but I at least gave dogfighting a few tries. It's a pity people mostly ignored both the direct link mode and the TVC Easter Egg in that module for good...
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
By the way, "Su" is not an acronym, but a reduced form of Sukhoi, thus being pronounced as "soo" rather than spelled S-U. Pretty much the same thing goes for German planes.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
From the American TVC experiments I believe they came to the conclusion that energy is more important, so something really good in two circle should be able to outrun the Sukhois. F-16 looks like the perfect candidate for that - just remember to maintain your energy.
@kolbola
@kolbola 10 месяцев назад
Incorrect nozzle animation/simulation for this mod. Simply there is no true vertical axis pivot for the AN100 TVC nozzles, so they could not move horizontally. The idea behind the Chepkin-designed TVC was simple: keep the original 2D TVC of the AL-37FU and tilted the pivot axis by 36 degrees. So the pair of the nozzles are able to move in a V -shaped route to generate the elevon, aileron and rudder effect. The 36 degrees came from the rear fuselage structure from the elevation between the engine bay and the stabilizer pivot point.
@kolbola
@kolbola 10 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hYi1e4pOQJw.htmlsi=wnXp9PMRErMOozFq
@bountyhuntermk2520
@bountyhuntermk2520 10 месяцев назад
Just here for the comments…. Usual collection of tablets
@ehmul1510
@ehmul1510 10 месяцев назад
is the norway vs sweden video coming?
@3dmax911
@3dmax911 10 месяцев назад
one of the best Mod out there !! and i think its fair to say its almost a fedaletay moudle !! but i think it dose not work with the DCS open beta ? or am i wrong ??
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
I was using Open Beta.
@Alien9828
@Alien9828 10 месяцев назад
I believe it will only work in OpenBeta
@3dmax911
@3dmax911 10 месяцев назад
@@Alien9828 the BVR & WVR doesn't work.. Also the Radar
@admiki9808
@admiki9808 10 месяцев назад
​it does work, but you need to take non AG version. For ground work you take AG version
@lars9966
@lars9966 10 месяцев назад
finally someone doing a realistic scenario. btw, if youre below 10% of fuel, you can hover like a helicopter with throttle idle. should look like this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rt7Gk3LmBw0.htmlsi=zRTRdJcb1duCko-t
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
Looks like you found a deficiency in the FM - in reality it wouldn't be able to do that.
@bartoshii
@bartoshii 10 месяцев назад
@@getsideways7257 That's the thing with mods we have to find't this kind of bugs so that creator of the mod can fix them.
@paulcadden4967
@paulcadden4967 10 месяцев назад
Iv seen several of these now, so am I to take it that all the russian jets that IRL have TVC have been basically flying in DCS without their more obvious tactical advantages?! No wonder we see disproportionate losses to IRL inferior jets
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
yes BUT these are such artificial battles. If you started the jets a decent distance apart and added missiles, it would make no real difference.
@lasselahti4056
@lasselahti4056 9 месяцев назад
Is that green data window some mod or is it implemented in dcs? Me want it.
@ThePointlessBox_
@ThePointlessBox_ 10 месяцев назад
belkans....
@suecobandito8954
@suecobandito8954 10 месяцев назад
Good video. Needed tons of negative curves and about 7 dead zone. That settled it enough for AR for me. Winwing Orion/Winwing F-18 stick. Anyone else in the high neg. Curves? Or tried to refuel it yet? Haven’t tried the razzle dazzle vectored thrust stuff yet. English pit coming? Thanks.
@aitor47
@aitor47 10 месяцев назад
this mod is only compatible with Open Beta, right?
@lboogy3139
@lboogy3139 9 месяцев назад
Shoulder lob with thrust vectoring
@iamfighter4552
@iamfighter4552 10 месяцев назад
Did they get the multicrew working for it yet or no?
@Ari-w7x6m
@Ari-w7x6m 10 месяцев назад
Have you noticed that sim a is in every vid.
@madrooky1398
@madrooky1398 10 месяцев назад
Isn't the actual limitation the air intake? Like I can't imagine the engine keep working when going backwards. But maybe I am wrong, it just does not sound plausible to me.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
Never heard of the Bell maneuver?
@madrooky1398
@madrooky1398 10 месяцев назад
@@getsideways7257 Does not require trust vectoring or engines at all, does it?
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
@@madrooky1398 The problem with it is that if your engines are not built for low and especially NEGATIVE airspeeds, they'll out on you during the tail slide. At the very least, Mirage 2000 was also able to demonstrate tail slide, but I believe some American jets are capable of performing it too (like F/A-18, for example). It's safe to assume *any* thrust-vectoring enabled aircraft has zero and negative airspeeed capable engines as well - Harrier included.
@rebelliousfew
@rebelliousfew 10 месяцев назад
I would imagine the Russians when designing these Sukhoi’s would’ve addressed this issue, especially when it comes to aircraft that are touted for their super maneuverability. Just looking at some of the MAKS airshows demonstrating the Su-35, Su-57 and Su-30SM, I’m sure those engines are built for low and negative airspeed.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
@@rebelliousfew Not just the Russians. As I said, Mirage 2000 successfully demonstrated the Bell / tail slide back in the '90s, I believe, and at the very least F/A-18 should be capable of that too. Most likely all of the "teen" series apart from F-14 can do it (not to mention F-22 and F-35)
@chrisr.7311
@chrisr.7311 5 месяцев назад
Can anyone tell me why the missiles are not vissible? i can use them but they dont appear on the aircraft!
@tylerchristopherson4245
@tylerchristopherson4245 10 месяцев назад
vs a raptor eventually eek
@AusExplorer
@AusExplorer 10 месяцев назад
Why do they make the aiming/targeting elements of the HUD the same colour as the information on the HUD?
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 10 месяцев назад
Almost impossible for me to see.
@jjay3494
@jjay3494 10 месяцев назад
Hey; it is a chain reaction of tradeoffs. We can't have weapon-related hud symbology if we get rid of FC3 Hud completely. So we need to keep it for the time being. Two-color HUD is out of question for most people in the dev team. Trust me it hurts my eyes aswell.
@AusExplorer
@AusExplorer 10 месяцев назад
@@jjay3494 Is it the same way IRL though?
@jjay3494
@jjay3494 10 месяцев назад
@@AusExplorer no; a mint green color with a bit of halo effect should be more IRL-like
@up4open
@up4open 10 месяцев назад
THRUST! THRUST! THRUST!
@dougroberts3840
@dougroberts3840 10 месяцев назад
Now put it up against the F-22.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 10 месяцев назад
Only when there is an EFM F-22...
@hasina1461
@hasina1461 10 месяцев назад
Fox 2 fight next please
@Nick-rb1vk
@Nick-rb1vk 10 месяцев назад
You need to update your DCS. Growling sidewinder has better quality. Better videos.
@SmithandWesson22A
@SmithandWesson22A 10 месяцев назад
Shits n giggles 😂
@byzmack1334
@byzmack1334 10 месяцев назад
VS the F15c
@caseinnitratjr6861
@caseinnitratjr6861 10 месяцев назад
Next against growling in his F-22
@Smingleflorp
@Smingleflorp 10 месяцев назад
Too bad the mod still breaks ground units in my game. Lucky me...
@spinningsquare1325
@spinningsquare1325 10 месяцев назад
are you using open beta
@Smingleflorp
@Smingleflorp 10 месяцев назад
yep. JAS 39 Gripen mod has never worked for me but the update before this one broke Su-30 :(
@CounterfeitDuck
@CounterfeitDuck 10 месяцев назад
Belkan witchcraft
@vintagepairdisplayteam910
@vintagepairdisplayteam910 10 месяцев назад
Thrust vectoring is basically the same as viffing in the Harrier. Good party trick, but not a lot of use the majority of the time.
@blacknass1943
@blacknass1943 9 месяцев назад
well the su 30 is very agyle it loks real
@Waitingdatrecorddeal
@Waitingdatrecorddeal 10 месяцев назад
Geez Fly you were doing so good not talking and f****** up the valued viewers entertainment but ya just had to scream in our ears didn't ya!!!????...
@mirthenary
@mirthenary 10 месяцев назад
Fox 4?! 😆
@KhaledAwni
@KhaledAwni 29 дней назад
Lovely 🇷🇺 😍 fighter plane
@Redden-g8e
@Redden-g8e 10 месяцев назад
Cap, go get yourself some UV rays and you will kick that crap thats been haunting you. Trust me
@crazyhorse18
@crazyhorse18 10 месяцев назад
Top👍👍
@lennyblunden872
@lennyblunden872 10 месяцев назад
U can't fly that jet yet rookie
@viral_video_ayana
@viral_video_ayana 10 месяцев назад
that means not useful
@rebelliousfew
@rebelliousfew 10 месяцев назад
I’d say it’s useful, as clearly demonstrated in the video. As C. W Lemoine put it, TVC shouldn’t be used constantly throughout any dogfights, and should only be used to gain a higher AOA on your bandit. I agree, as TVC tends to drain your airspeed and reduce airflow over your control surfaces. As long as you know when and when not to use it, I’d say you have the edge in almost any dogfighting scenario.
@toshisan200
@toshisan200 10 месяцев назад
skill issue
@Ariccio123
@Ariccio123 10 месяцев назад
Make sure you do a covid test... You do not sound great
@rebelliousfew
@rebelliousfew 10 месяцев назад
Jeez, if anyone has a cough these days, everyone and their mother assumes Covid. Ig we haven’t gotten over that yet.
@ГеоргийМурзич
@ГеоргийМурзич 10 месяцев назад
Well, the guys made TVC wrong, unfortunately. For some reason people believe that Su-30/35/57 have 3d TVC while they only have 2D, though, slanted in relation to each other
@lars9966
@lars9966 10 месяцев назад
they have 3D thrust vectoring, what the f are u saying?
@MrRobertX70
@MrRobertX70 10 месяцев назад
Where did you hear that? The Su-30, 35 and 57 all have true 3D thrust vectoring.
@lat78610
@lat78610 10 месяцев назад
Unfortunatly for some reason you have no idea what youre talking about
@ГеоргийМурзич
@ГеоргийМурзич 10 месяцев назад
​@@lars9966 show me any single video where Su-30/35/57 move their nozzles like here 1:38 Good luck finding those, huh
@lars9966
@lars9966 10 месяцев назад
@@ГеоргийМурзич find the youtube video "Su-30MKM Startup (LIMA2015) 21.march"
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