Su-33 Flanker-D Vs F/A-18C Hornet DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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@GrowlingSidewinder 3 месяца назад

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.

@numberyellow 3 месяца назад

NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx

@martincalero7390 3 месяца назад

This guy loves to pilot Communist planes.

@Anarchy_420 3 месяца назад

Please fly The F-4 VS The A-4 guns only Dogfight🙏

@MississippiKid96 3 месяца назад

thanks for the change of pace if you will. I enjoy these HOBS dog fights.

@tmytyson 3 месяца назад

Give the people what they want: the Battle of the Canards. A dogfight free-for-all featuring (at a minimum) the SU33 Flanker-D, Eurofighter Typhoon, JAS39 Gripen, and Dassault Rafale. May the best 'nard win.

@fisharmor 3 месяца назад

"She might be fat but she can give you one really nice pull" I've always said that

@midnightbluevt 3 месяца назад

kek

@SovereignKnight74 3 месяца назад

😂😂

@EDCandLace 3 месяца назад

Us girls would say "he might be fat but he can pump one good time and then we are doing all the work"

@KalvyNoodle 3 месяца назад

I came to the comments as soon as I heard him say that, and was not disappointed 😂

@MessyJ 3 месяца назад

Beat me to it.

@ivellos 3 месяца назад

4:48 The missile did a "question mark", lol

@adamekcar 3 месяца назад

A Russian question mark. lol

@DonutGuard 3 месяца назад

Looked like half a heart to me. From Russia with Love!

@bitmanagent67 3 месяца назад

Looked like a half heart to me.

@SuperSirianRigel 3 месяца назад

It was a hook arm. Ha ha ha.

@rainbowsong909 3 месяца назад

that's what I said!

@Netbug 3 месяца назад

"She might be fat, but she can give you one really nice pull."

@rickstark85 3 месяца назад

Yep, he said that.

@saadsajidul9001 3 месяца назад

he really did spit some bars

@rickstark85 3 месяца назад

@@saadsajidul9001 you're doin too much nerd

@j4s0n39 3 месяца назад

In the final round, the Flanker's missile missed because the Hornet pulled the throttle and turned nose on (the coldest aspect), making the flares the hottest target in sight. In every round, the Flanker stayed in burner, even with a missile incoming, providing a nice hot target for the missile.

@HypoceeYT 3 месяца назад

Cool story anyway modern IR missiles are based on imaging sensors precisely so that it isn't that simple. Against a modern missile it's more about the flares disrupting the plane's shape and apparent bearing change, messing with the gain/contrast, or fortunately forming a plane-shaped blob. As for how it's simulated in DCS, it's anyone's guess but as far as testing can tell it's just a die roll with a couple linear adjustments tacked on. So, pareidolia.

@rickstark85 3 месяца назад

Ok 🤓

@j4s0n39 3 месяца назад

@@HypoceeYT Based on my experience, IR missiles in DCS don't track an idle engine as well as an engine in burner, and they don't track as well nose on. Yes DCS uses random number generation to decide hit or miss, but the hit probability goes down with the the engine heat.

@angryginger791 3 месяца назад

Yup. You aways have to remember it's a sim. If you play it like it 100% follows reality, it'll end up biting you.

@drewm4914 3 месяца назад

BVR F-22 vs F-35.

@mraviatorboii2510 3 месяца назад

It’s already made

@delirious3911 3 месяца назад

Done before already 1F-22 vs 2x F-35 GS was in F-22 you already know lol

@jedibusiness789 3 месяца назад

F22 vs Gyrocopter

@magura1196 3 месяца назад

@@mraviatorboii2510but was it bvr?

@kjmdrumz3 3 месяца назад

Why? That’s not even a contest. Like BVR F-22 vs P-51.

@JonBrase 3 месяца назад

2:07 It bit off on flares, then you stopped deploying flares and it reacquired you. By the time you started redeploying flares, it was too late.

@Michel411 3 месяца назад

Didn’t know a missile could pull a cobra lol

@FootballPlaneEtc 3 месяца назад

😂😂

@davidr8264 3 месяца назад

Jamming the WEZ is kind of like hugging your opponent in boxing so that they can’t throw an effective punch?

@Scott-ti2eh 3 месяца назад

Yes. We should refer to it as Mayweathering.

@sorryociffer 3 месяца назад

F-35 is Fat Amy, Flanker is Fat Natasha...

@andrewwillard5625 3 месяца назад

Never realized how crazy maneuvers at low speeds are for the hornet untill I saw first hand last weekend at an airshow an f-18 just ripping it up like an f22 was insane.

@yacobz 3 месяца назад

When flying an f16 in DCS, the last thing you want to be when dogfighting an f18 is slow. They win those flights 9 times out of 10.

@EstorilEm 2 месяца назад

They have some incredible pitch authority, but they love to dump energy in the process and aren’t terribly good at getting it back. The F-16 gets it back almost instantly, and the F-22 is pretty much the best of both worlds.

@jaytheexplorer9016 3 месяца назад

That overhead angle of the 2 circle kill @4:48 is NICE.

@erloriel 3 месяца назад

I liked how they formed a very pretty question mark with the missile

@ClintonVanZann 3 месяца назад

I saw that camera shot and was all, *chef's kiss* Beautiful work, GS.

@path7786 3 месяца назад

That round 2 missile turned tighter than a freakin Yaris!

@johndelta00 3 месяца назад

Regarding that last dogfight, as John Correia of ASP always says "you can't count on luck, but luck always counts".

@j4s0n39 3 месяца назад

Fun fact: Years ago the sidewinder's countermeasure resistance wasn't as good as the engineers thought it was. They designed it with a very narrow range of flare intensity. But Soviet / Russian build quality is so poor that the flares weren't consistent enough for the missiles to filter them out as flares.

@Damen178 3 месяца назад

Russia: task failed successfully.

@Meyer-gp7nq 3 месяца назад

Classic Soviet engineering

@DrBF3000 3 месяца назад

It wasnt a poor quality, it was just an old tech. Actually it worked much better than its western counterpart. It is much easier to filter out flares that are all the same than those that each have their own characteristics.

@anantgautam2485 3 месяца назад

And this information you got from where exactly??😂

@leventeszekely8804 3 месяца назад

@@Gearparadummies thats because western fighters always fighted against some 3rd world country's outdated airforce.

@DDayJayke 3 месяца назад

In regards to your history lesson about the J-15, China was only allowed a total of 200 licensed Su-27 copies, which would be the J-11A. The J-11B and J-15 were very much breaches of their deal with Russia. Which in hindsight they should not have ruined, as China has struggled domestically in terms of engines and avionics, and many of their early production of J-11Bs and J-15s had unreliable airframes and engines because their agreement with Russia, didn't come with the engine package. The only advantage J-15 has over Su-33 is its catapult capability. Unlike Su-33, you can hook the J-15 up to a catapult and not worry about wrecking its landing gear. But unless China has completely fixed their airframe and engine problem, dogfights like this in the J-15 would be a matter of "how quick can you bend over and take a 9X up your ass?"

@BenParkes-wz5bd 3 месяца назад

Video idea: I-16 Donket vs Su-57 Felon

@Meyer-gp7nq 3 месяца назад

We know the Su-57 doesn’t stand a chance

@tacticaltoolbox7046 3 месяца назад

New series idea: loaded down multirole jumped by different types of interceptors. Can multirole fighters defend close quarters while retaining loadout and continue mission. Interceptors with full or typical load of AA missiles.

@liberalconservative7122 3 месяца назад

The Quick answer? No.

@eggnog52 3 месяца назад

Cool to see the F-18 as a viable aircraft after all these years.

@magicaldream 3 месяца назад

And this is even the older F-18C version

@thomasluthi-bhatti1140 3 месяца назад

@@magicaldream given its smaller size and higher thrust-to-weight ratio, I'd expect a legacy Hornet to outperform the Super Hornet in a merge.

@tuunaes 3 месяца назад

Because its high alpha capability and low speed maneuverability Hornet is actually lot stronger in modern HOBS dogfight than dogfight of its design time. Again F-16 isn't as strong in modern HOBS dogfight than two circle gun fight/rear aspect Fox-2 dogfight of its design time.

@eggnog52 3 месяца назад

@@tuunaes Modern high off boresight missiles help keep it viable too.

@Krommer1000 3 месяца назад

4:52 I love how the smoke trail formed a question mark, like him going "What the F?". Ha!

@MrPopcup 3 месяца назад

what a beautiful machine to fly! more FA18 please! Also GS: Drawing half a heart with his missile (sadly F18 didn't draw his half; 4:56)

@CaptainSpacedOut 3 месяца назад

He did but with fire 🤣

@TheScottShepard 3 месяца назад

The Hornet is such a cool plane. Both of them

@gernblansten684 3 месяца назад

Apache vs Frogfoot!

@Mav09 3 месяца назад

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 47

@Stinger522 3 месяца назад

In the rounds where Mr. Hornet won, at least he was kind enough to sting you in the ass and not in the face.

@Jordanpgates1 3 месяца назад

Nice camera angle high above to show a great track of the missile!

@JonBrase 3 месяца назад

Maybe drop the restriction on firing before the merge and give each player a Fox-1 or two to force a "dirtier" merge (i.e, not necessarily a super-close pass and where neither party necessarily is in an optimal position and attitude)? It would make the approach more interesting and potentially make 2-circle capabilities more relevant in HOBS fights. Basically, try simulating the tail end of a BVR fight and the transition into a dogfight instead of simulating an exercise dogfight that's not likely to happen in real combat.

@erikcourtney1834 3 месяца назад

Can we get a multi country dogfight???? F35c vs j15 vs f33. Could even throw in their ground based support. F22, j20, su57… 2 on 4, an all out battle. This could be very intense and interesting.

@Яго-ю2х 3 месяца назад

США никогда на это не пойдут, и не шли до сих пор, боятся чего то, были тренировачные бои между США и кем то из Азии,, только США не стали говорить как проиграли... у азиатов были как раз Су-30мки

@Amram81 3 месяца назад

@@Яго-ю2х the USA doesn't get a vote, this is DCS

@paulybassman7311 3 месяца назад

08:08 😂 that's what she said 😂

@yacobz 3 месяца назад

Wait, the SU33 is an "excellent dogfighter", but you got wrecked every round but 1?

@JAEUFM 3 месяца назад

I keep wondering if anyone is working on a missile system that can lock and shoot to the rear of a fighter. Big surprise, you try a tight turn after a merge, and your bogie hits you and he never tried to turn.

@corok12 3 месяца назад

already exists on the f-35 with the new(ish) aim-9x block 2

@emmavaria 3 месяца назад

One problem is that the velocity of the fighter is added to the velocity of the missile. By firing to the rear, the two oppose and the actual velocity of the missile through the air is very, very low. It will have next to no ability to intercept the enemy.

@johnsmiff8328 3 месяца назад

When was the last time anyone merged in real combat? Feels like people are focusing investment on BVR because it's the most strategically relevant engagement type we expect to see foe these platforms

@HandyMann243 3 месяца назад

Love the better quality and better music!! If you could keep the ending music the same as before that would be nice though. I have been a sub for a while and watched you grow! Thanks for the vid!

@Anarchy_420 3 месяца назад

Please fly The MIG-29K VS SU-33 guns only Dogfight

@Kcco03_ 3 месяца назад

That first kill looked like a harm

@henrifuentes251 3 месяца назад

Dude I love the Hornet videos thank you so much keep up the awsome work.

@StudSupreme 3 месяца назад

It may be ancient at this point, but that F-18 sure has scary nose authority. The Su-33 isn't really a dogfighter, is it? It's the AA missile that's doing much of the work. Testament to the superlative design artistry of McDonnell Douglas, who did the original F-18 development nearly 50 years ago.

@geoff-lukebihler6157 3 месяца назад

Don't you mean Northrop?

@StudSupreme 3 месяца назад

@@geoff-lukebihler6157 Thought it was a McDD design. Am I in error? If Northrup deserves the credit, then more power to 'em.

@hanschristianben505 3 месяца назад

@@StudSupreme- Northrop build the YF-17 as a competitor to the YF-16 during the lightweight fighter competition in the 1970s to provide a “low cost” complement to the F-15… after the YF-17 lost to the YF-16, the US Navy instead took a different look at the YF-17 and selected it for its own next gen lightweight strike fighter needs, and they teamed up with MDD to make a navalized version… that became the F/A-18…

@Phoenix_YTT 3 месяца назад

How about 2 « Mig 28s » and 2 tomcats A (Top gun) but no guns no missiles just bugging him off

@TheWallCladding 3 месяца назад

Perfect April first video

@bravecanuck4312 3 месяца назад

... while flipping them off.

@jihadrouani5525 3 месяца назад

GS exhausted all kinds of aircraft combinations xD

@danpatterson8009 3 месяца назад

In the first round I thought he was trying to hit you with flares at the merge.

@KevsEpisode 3 месяца назад

Day 21 of asking for dassualt Vs Eurofigther Typhoon dogfight

@Mike_Romeo 3 месяца назад

Already done

@daisaigaming6836 3 месяца назад

10:02 dropping flares while full afterburner does not help either.

@M1A2_AbramsSEPv3 3 месяца назад

Exactly lol, that's how his archer missed there in that last dogfight too, because the hornet disengaged his afterburner while flaring

@SkyroofNova72 3 месяца назад

4:49 Half of my heart by John Mayer just started playing in my head. You’re welcome.

@chemistryguy100 3 месяца назад

Been watching your videos for years, but still don’t really know what “high off bore sight” really means. What is it??

@AARONANKRUM 3 месяца назад

Hope you don't mind me answering but HOBS means that if the nose say at 0 degrees, the sensor in the weapon can see a target up to 90 or even 120 degrees from that bearing. So, you can get a lock at high angles to your direction of travel allowing for some the awesome kills we see.

@GrowlingSidewinder 3 месяца назад

This comment here is correct. Thank u for typing that up.

@chemistryguy100 3 месяца назад

Cool, thanks!

@jeremyfilip4190 3 месяца назад

That 2nd round 😂 takes a whole new meaning to "crooked as a question mark" 🤣👏👏👏

@alireyes8211 3 месяца назад

Been watching your vids for a while. Like ballet in the skies, but someone dies at the end. Keep it up!

@Thefrogbread 3 месяца назад

F-18 is my baby

@ethaneversoll1301 3 месяца назад

Day 120 of asking for kf21 vs f22 dogfight

@Skyfighter64 3 месяца назад

I would be interested in seeing the new F-4E going up against the F-5E (MiG-28).

@CaptainSpacedOut 3 месяца назад

I'm thinking the f18 won the 6th round since unlike before he cut AB and dropped flares rather than full ab and flares

@tanzidane 3 месяца назад

Some spectacular visuals here

@vettedriver8104 3 месяца назад

I love your videos, have been a fan for a while so keep them coming! From a retired USAF perspective though be thankful these dogfights are simulated, in the real world there is no round two…🇺🇸

@gregoryandyuliakaplan7505 3 месяца назад

Why Su-33 is too fat? Excellent aerodynamics, 18400 kg empty weight, and 2 engines with 12550kN of thrust each. The same thrust as my beloved Super Tomcat but lighter. Meanwhile, even F-14A with her according to "Bio" Baranek detuned to ~7000kN TF-30 nobody calls fat.

@stuffffuts3480 3 месяца назад

11:12 I have a feeling that missile missed because the F-18 cut his throttle. Whereas later on when he fired his missile at you, you kept your afterburner going. Same with the first fight, the second fight I can't tell if the F-18 was on afterburners when he got shot, third fight it looks like he was, fourth fight he definitely had his burners on just before your missile hit.

@jg3000 3 месяца назад

MIG 15 vs. F-16.

@YNGRICH419 3 месяца назад

BVR is the best besides missions or made up scenarios.

@MarcusDrall 3 месяца назад

Day 458 517th time asking for a reenactment of Sam City in the A6 Intruder from Flight of the Intruder, movie version. Talk to HeatBlur about their A6E.

@chrissinclair8705 3 месяца назад

For an older design that F18 still can get it up. Great design.

@iantarasevitsch3325 3 месяца назад

Hard to outrage a modern heater when it’s got a lock. IIRC, a 9X can pull 60Gs. I’m sure the R-73M is in that same ballpark.

@screechowl4008 3 месяца назад

@GrowlingSidewinder, Have you looked at the OV-10B? Not sure that I've ever seen you use it, but I'd love to see you use it in some A/G and A/A situations.

@Lawraven 3 месяца назад

In meters, approximately how close do you need to be to jam the WEZ in engagements like this one? Looks like 500-700, but I can't really tell.

@marchindy 3 месяца назад

Day 18 of asking for F4 with afterburners vs F16 without afterburner

@AviationXA10 3 месяца назад

this is my fav youtuber you deserve more subs

@GrowlingSidewinder 3 месяца назад

you the man. much love.

@the_jeremiah 3 месяца назад

Neither you are the F-18 are dropping out of afterburner. without the afterburner you would have better luck using countermeasures. THe last fight the F-18 finally cut his engines and imagine that the missle loses track.

@saplingseedsaccrew3143 3 месяца назад

This video is going to be pretty popular around December this year

@TimothyGull-vt9xc 3 месяца назад

Day 25 of asking for Superhornet fox2 dogfight vs Felon. Preferably GS in SuperHornet

@TehCheezMan 3 месяца назад

at 11:16, when your missile doesn't track, it sounds like your F-18 cut throttle (or at least afterburner). Any idea if this is a valid tactic in the "long run" of a close quarters dogfight? It seems to have paid off in the short run but I assume that has pretty serious thrust implications.

@nehuge 16 дней назад

How many fricking flares do you get?

@sogerc1 3 месяца назад

Hi GS, could you arrange a scene where these fights start more organically, because honestly, these modern Fox-2 fights are not as entertaining. I only finished the video in case you say something interesting like the China story.

@imdoobie80 3 месяца назад

Day 143 F-4 vs Bandit Unknown 4 rounds guns only until damaged then Fox 2 is free fire.

@Yendor-vz4lb 3 месяца назад

All this tech and you can't program in neither aircraft can merge until they have passed each other? That way no cheating is possible. Dead stick? Unless you are scared.

@eyemo80 3 месяца назад

The way u fly the non american its totally different. Yes its a cobra, but Going up in a tight merge at certain alt definitely lost AOA maneuver. Thats how u been nailed in 1st round

@jpoo4572 3 месяца назад

Day 53 asking for yf23 interdiction/infiltration missions

@gruzza9000 3 месяца назад

"The sukhoi 33 is a fat pig" Was NOT expecting that 😂

@dpblue7051 3 месяца назад

Second hit made a question mark sign!! = ?

@bic1498 3 месяца назад

Round 6, looks like he cut his burner at just the right time and the Archer bit on the flares

@lasselahti4056 3 месяца назад

Hmm. Was here an example how flares can also target IR to ones back. (that one that seemed not to track but it did, wonder did was it going to flares when it went up and then to motors? :) )

@DaqareAbdi 3 месяца назад

Please do the Turkish KAAN fighter jet vs f35 or f16.❤ I enjoyed this

@TGoat5 3 месяца назад

Desert camo Flankers make me miss the Su-37. Did you split the throttles at all in this fight? Seemed like it could have helped to get the nose on in those "low hornet" scenarios.

@TechLoverforever313 3 месяца назад

9:23 Very interesting sound. it reminds me of Tom And Jerry Space episode.

@societyreborn33 3 месяца назад

Whats better, the J20 or SU 57? In a dogfight, that is

@yuvl32 3 месяца назад

It looks like neither of you turn off the afterburner, when being shot by Fox-2s, is there no point, or this may cause loss of control?

@731trident 3 месяца назад

"She might be fat, but she can give you one really nice pull." 🙄 Poor Su...

@resurgam_b7 3 месяца назад

Haha, at this point they really ought to just mount the missiles facing backwards since they are rarely every going to be fired at a target in front of the launch aircraft 😂

@ManOfChaiTea 3 месяца назад

It would have been hilarious if the F18 has thrust vect or canards with its already crazy AoA

@thespokenword6456 2 месяца назад

Aircraft are going to start mounting active protection systems

@berryfox710 3 месяца назад

Fokker dr.1 vs ngad pls

@VeryStatic 3 месяца назад

This is such a cool RU-vid channel! Awesome stuff mate!

@Spectre-907 3 месяца назад

I know it's because of gentleman's merge rules but my *god* has a hornet ever presented such a "please shoot me" guns solution as that lead turn to open the first round?

@tmmy2ootuff843 3 месяца назад

walking us through the battle verbally is a nice touch. nice to understand what hapnin.

@Xidentals 3 месяца назад

How's it possible to play a pvp dogfight like that versus 1 or more opponents?

@rickchisholm5019 3 месяца назад

4:54 The Russian backwards question mark of death.

@jameskester7745 3 месяца назад

The Air Force should adopt the F-18, with bigger engines

@lordllewellynofdarkdelight2613 3 месяца назад

DCS should model the F-18 HARV for giggles.

@justindircksen 3 месяца назад

Do you dogfight actual other players in these videos or are you playing the computer?

@willfultrain6779 3 месяца назад

I'm more of a fan of american jets but man that blue paint scheme on any of the SU models looks super nice.

@DallasGraves 3 месяца назад

these HOBS have a tighter turning radius than my car, holy crap!

@IRLFlightSim 3 месяца назад

These modern Fox2s are NUTS! was wondering if you could talk about wha you know of modern IRCCM? specifically the 9X and R73

@Mike_Romeo 3 месяца назад

Modern IRCCM are noways small laser turrets that fire a laser to blind a incoming missiles. Can be found on the Su-57. The USAF are experimenting with "mirror" paintings on their F-22 to confuse missiles passively