With the right tires, all of these vehicles would do fine. I have an old all wheel drive Subaru that slips and slides in the snow but is rock solid with studless traction tires. My wife's Mazda sedan does fine in the snow with studless traction tires and her vehicle is front wheel drive only.
@@itsnotme-jl9jt If they all have snow tires the same thing applies, just at a steeper angle. A torque vectoring system like Honda's VTM would make it up this. The Kia Sorento does not have that, it's a simple "slip then grip" system like all these other failures.
Subarus are outstanding in the snow. I always struggled with snow driving, and then I got an Outback and I don't think I can ever go back to any other kind of car. My Outback goes through snow like it's not even there.
SP Bizzy I just drove my forester XT yesterday for the first time in the snow and I was speechless. Such a difference from the crappy scion I drove in the snow for 8 years .
No matter what flavor of AWD you decide to go with, Subaru does a solid for having AWD in 95pct of their cars. Though, I still prefer my SH AWD and I still throw on different rims and snow tires on the winter. If you have AWD get some snow tires , you create a nice winter monster.
Another viewer showed me an article where they tested that vehicle and it couldn't perform when only 1 front tire was given traction. Their traction control was not up to the quality that Subaru provides. Their multi-clutch left and right rear drive module works great though!
There are a LOT of cars comparable with awd ,they did not use them . Simple . What good would this test be for Subaru if a lot of other makes could do it. ?
@@738polarbear There's actually very very few cars that come even close to Subaru. Check out the video titled: "Best SUVs off-road: Top 12 medium SUVs compared - some fail to make it!" from 2022, youtuber "CarExpert". Of the 12 SUV/Crossover's they tested, only 4 passed all the tests...1 of which was Subaru. The other 3: Mitsubishi Outlander, Hyundai Tucson, and the Haval H6. Which one's failed? Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Jeep Compass, Kia Sportage, Mazda CX-5, Nissan X-Trail, Toyota Rav4, and the Volkswagen Tiguan... All were using the best dirt/offroad modes available. A surprising number of them had AWD systems that overheated and shut down mid-test after only a few moments. Other's were just simply not capable at all of tackling the course (didn't overheat, but couldn't move the vehicle up the hills). So 8 years later, Subaru has almost no competition that comes close to their AWD system.
use the right tire and know how to drive. ;-) my neighbor has a Forester and we made it in on our road during a heavy snow, when they didn't. driver ability..we had the exact same tires too. put on around the same time. if you put new snow tires on all of these, All of them would have made it. since they didn't show the tires, which they could have by standing next to the vehicles as they pulled up, it would have made it easier for us to determine why some made it, and others didn't. how did the Lexus make it as far as it did, then all of a sudden stop? I'm not hating, I'm just pointing stuff out. i run Mastercraft HSX or Altimax RT43's on my 2 RAV4's, or Firestone Winterforce..General Altimax Arctic Ice Studded Snow Tires on my 2013 now..never been stuck yet. i live in the mountains and they're curvy and steep. makes it hard on Any vehicle when the snow is 20".
I can tell you for a fact that the Stock Potenza's on the forester were just about as bad as any summer tires in the snow. Complete garbage, and I'm betting the dealership making this video didn't put snow tires on a brand new vehicle just for a gimmicky video. I have a 2012 Forester X and swapped out the OEM tires with RT43s after the first snowfall. Subaru has an unbeatable AWD system. And it's standard on a sub $20k SUV. I have never been stuck in any type of snow or ice. You want that type of system you're paying $40k+ for an Acura. I'll stay with my Subaru.
tubemember21 my neighbors 2011 Forester hasn't made a believer out of me yet in the snow...as a matter of fact her husband claimed how well my 2 vehicles do in the snow, because his wife couldn't get in their driveway, and we all had the same tire..RT43's. he had to get in and get 2 runs at it. in everyone's defense, though, the snow was 16". my wife does great in the snow as long as the tires are good. I've ran RT43's on both vehicles and am pleased with them. since these people making this video took these vehicles from their used inventory, as long as the tires will pass inspection, they're on the lot. my tires on my 2010 RAV4 were barely legal when I bought my car. 2 years old, Bridgestone runflats..terrible tires.. had they did this test with my car and those tires then, the result would have been the same. I use studded snow tires on both of my cars and I have a video of my car on a steep hill, covered in hard packed snow, and just for kicks and giggles, you should come check out the result..your AWD is as good as your tires..
@-Ding- -Dong- I dont care if they had manufacturers tires on or not,cause that dont mean shit. If they dont have THE SAME tires its a useless test. Also what research..I have been driving in winterconditions ( real ones fäwith feets of snow, not 1inch "winter") for 30 years and I' ve been working on/wirh cars for just as long. That video aint no where near the truth.
@@torparnorpan8362 the issue with the test is how many miles were on all of the other tires compared to the new subaru tires? The other tires may be a little worn down?
@@occckid123 no idea what the f you are talking about. For any test to be seriously taken they should use exaktly the same tires on the cars, how hard can that be to understand? I know Subaru and Audi has the best awd in the world and I say it alot, but that doesnt change the fact that this test look bs
@@torparnorpan8362 I'm just saying that every car can have the stock tires that they came with but both Subaru cars tested here were new cars? It can just be a test of what the stock cars can do with the original tires from the factory. My question was how old are the other cars in the test and how many miles are on the tires of all of the other vehicles. Cant compare a tire that's new compared to the other vehicles that may have had 20k miles on them or so. Get what I'm saying?
Would love to see how an Audi with Quattro or BMW with XDrive would do. I have heard these are the only other systems that can hold a candle to a Subaru.
For all you non believers this test was done with stock tires on every vehicle. We simply took all the vehicles in our pre-owned department that had all wheel drive for this test. We did not turn any features off on any of these vehicles to make it a biased test
Where was Mitsubishi with awc and Acura with sh-awd? You guys never invite the others that can match you or possible beat you. Don't get me wrong, I am a Subaru fan but they're not the best.
+Bill Koenig How I know, Subaru Forester and Outback have ALLSEASONS tires in stock. By the way of Toyota, Ford and others - have Summer Tires! This is HUGE different!!! Subaru have best AWD system - it is truth! But this competition - not correct in my mind.
+Koenig Subaru 4motion and quattro (VW is the parent company of Audi but i will still use the title given to Audi's awd system) Is just as good as Subaru and there are multiple videos proving it in snow that is up and over the front of the Audi. There is a reason Audi (or volvo because their AWD is alright) wasn't used in this video but I still think it would have been a good idea to include them instead of multiple subaru's at the end.
Fuckin Subaru kicks all ass time and time again. With a set of snow tires you will have more than full confidence. Been there doing it ina couple months
Obviously they put snow tyres only on the subaru's and no matter what, they had to get up the hill to the "slight incline" in the first place so they all work
If you were to put snow tires on the other cars they would fare a little better but Subaru is definitely the king and if you put a good set of General altimax Arctic on it's like a tank in the snow and ice
I am a proud Subaru fan, but unless you put the exact same tires on all cars, the test is useless, as even the best AWD system is useless if your tires don't have any traction. Remember, traction comes MOSTLY from tires. Get a US army humvee with slick tires in there, and it will just slip down... Please, someone do that test with all the same tires!!
Lets make a up to date video like this with the newer systems. Maybe throw in a Audi. And some some Subaru with and without xdrive turned on at the same point so we can compare to other brands on the same conditions.
Lot of people arguing on here, but I’ve tested a lot of cars in the snow, and Subaru’s Symmetrical AWD system is absolutely amazing. I’ve done a very similar test with an Outback with 5 people in it, where I’d fully stopped on a steep incline that was snow packed so hard it may as well have been ice, and I set off with barely a wheel slipping. Truly amazing system. My review of it here: carproductstested.com/cars/subaru-outback-tested-tough-cookie-over-tough-terrain/
Comparing new cars (with new tires) to used cars (with worn tires). Put a new set of Bridgestone Blizzacks on all those SUVs and I bet they would all climb the hill. The Subaru probably still does have a better AWD system, but the tires are the dominant factor. Also tire pressure matters...I assume that all vehicles had about the same tire pressure.
Lots of comments about how great other cars are. All you have to do is drive around someplace that has real winters and you will see more Subarus than anything else. You can't beat the price, reliability, Cost of ownership, and they kick but in the snow. I live in N. Idaho by the way.
William Bissell I live in summit county, CO, and I swear at least half the vehicles on the road are jeeps or Subaru. I drive an 09 outback, with pretty good all seasons, and it is still a beast in the snow. Going to upgrade to snow tires next winter.
I'd like to see the tires on the other vehicles. and I'd like better audio to hear the engine rev. I had an Outback, but I think your test might be rigged
It’s a rigged video. The Ford Flex has a very capable all wheel drive system. It has the ability to send power to the wheels that lose traction. If you re-watch the video you can see the brake lights on constantly. They were intentionally hitting the brakes to prevent forward momentum. For the Kia, once it made momentum they would deliberately let off the accelerator so it would lose momentum and roll backwards. It’s completely bogus.
This is a awful video ... I have a Traverse and it's a tank in the snow (literally its heavy as hell) with those huge narrow tires. It handled West Virginia's mountains in January with most of traffic pulled over. So this is hard to believe it can't go up this little hill, and also .... it's way to heavy and takes almost full throttle to make the tires spin, slightly push the pedal and it would have scaled it with even slightly good tires.
Everyone knows that any of those cars could make it up with the right tire but it's nice to get your car and not have to get new expensive tires or modify it to be able to do stuff it's advertised to do.
Tires will improve them yes but given the same tires Subaru's system is superior. Especially in emergency maneuvers, since it is always sending at least 40% power to the rear wheels.
I have a new Subaru Crosstrek. I believe Subaru's can do that. My wife also has a 2005 Kia Sorento. I believe it too can also make that hill as we've done in Seattle, Portland, Or., and Lake Stevens where we now live. We mostly drive the Kia in front wheel drive mostly in the snow and it handles excellent. With 4 wheel high, the vehicle is a monster, and in 4-low, a super beast. We do have Open County tires on them though. I can't speak for the newer Kia's, but our old gal is a snow plow. I'd like to see the Kia in 4-high on this test. But as always, when comparing other cars in the snow with a Subaru, most of them will loose.
I know this isn't comparing apples to apples like rock climbing and snow climbing, but did you ever see the Sorento commercial about a year ago when it (pretty much in stock form) climbed a steep slick rock trail in Moab? I think Kias can be VERY capable!!! I know the old Sportages were!!!
EGGINFOOLS Then this is more a test of crappy tires, not AWD performance, though I am inclined to believe the Subaru system is better than all of these quasi AWD vehicles.
EGGINFOOLS of course they are not! but difference between all season vs winter tire is huge. they all need to have all season or winter tire to make fair comparison test about AWD system. Otherwise this test is just about tires
I love Subaru, but when the Kia was tested, it sure did seem like the throttle was let off to stop its momentum it was gaining. I have also seen a video called "diagonal test" on RU-vid where they test tons of vehicles with basically two tires in the air and climbing up hill, and the kia sorento did just as well as the subaru's. Like I said, I love Subaru, but I think you intentionally made the Kia fail.
Right you are!!! Check out the Kia Sorento commercial from about a year ago climbing in Moab (I know not the same as snow, but you get the just of it).
to be fair, the rav 4 and kia, I think have all wheel lock options so you should have pushed those buttons, if you didn't.. cause it allows all 4 wheels to have power, like a subaru (not exactly same, but at least into true 4 wheel drive) and those two, in that mode, would have made it up the hill as well... Just saying.. that said, the Subi's are still awesome awd and I am planning on buying a forester this fall
Hondas had VTM-4LOCK on some of the pilots, made a huge difference in low traction situations, still would rather have my subaru but my old pilot never got stuck and I put it through some pretty bad snow multiple times, tires were the most limiting factor in this video
Locking differentials isn't always the best idea. For many reasons; -all 4 wheels DO NOT receive the same amount of torque, especially in horizontally mounted engines!! (99% of cars) -one wheel can gain traction, while second would dig into the snow/sand and you'll get stuck. -in corners, outer wheels would actually BLOCK the cars movement. Of course it only applies to snow/sand/gravel or wet tarmac. Mud, rock climbing and steep heels are way different
Is it my idea or does it seem that the impreza cost a little more? will it be because it is a cvt? My 2009 impreza manual transmission goes up whatever!
well well well, I've driven subaru for 4 years and it was really superb, however I've also driven A6 quatro a lot and the Quatro is definitelly much better, Outback was 2008 and A6 2010 little bit newer. I've also had a Skoda Octavia 2015 scout and that was an actual tank and it only used Haldex 5 clutch as a means of engagement AWD. You guys digged a huge grave for yourselves; THIS WAS A JOKE NOT AN ACTUAL TEST. Good Luck,
This @test@ is laughable at best, you can tell that they are intentionally letting off before any of the non-subaru's catch. I've owned three subaru's, the newest being an 07 Forester, all subaru's with exception to wrx's are open differentials and without the 2010 or so later electro-nannies they can't do crap.
‘00s Legacies/Outbacks came with rear LSDs as standard and if you wanted them without you had to option to have it removed. I believe that the Foresters and Imprezas/Outback Sports could be optioned with them. I’ve got experience with both open and LSD Legacies/Outbacks (‘95 with open, ‘03 w/ 4.11 LSD, both with the 5MT system) and they’ve both been unstoppable even with crap tires on the ‘95. I know the AWD system that was on 4EAT vehicles was a bit different, so maybe that’s got something to do with your experience.
DEFINETLY not a fair test the others beside Subaru’s probably have bad all season tires and the Subaru’s got winter tires cause non of the Subaru’s spun the tires hardly
You can clearly see that the Subarus have snow or winter tires. Snow that’s visible around the outer edge of the tires clearly means that there’s snow in between some thick lugs and this marketing is banking on people stupidity....🤣
what a difference snow tires makes. that's the only reason Subaru won hands down in this "competition". Subaru AWD is outstanding, but this was, by far an unfair test.
Wonder what would happen if Ford, Chevy or any other auto maker would do the same test against other vehicles..? They’d probably all have the best vehicle results! 😄
In all reality they would all perform well... because they would all be on fair playing ground with brand new tires of the same brand. A Jeep Wrangler 4x4 on BALD or LOW tread tires will perform worse in the snow than a Toyota Prius with brand new tires, just as well as a Wrangler on summer tires vs a Prius on winter tires... Hope this sheds some light for you.
YYYYEEESSSSS!!! I'm not talking Outback or Endeaver either. I'm talking about a couple gems that aren't sold (here) anymore. I'm talking about a Montero or Montero Sport!!! That's when a Subaru truly get's it's ass handed to it!!!
I call bullshit to be quite honest. Traction control was turned off on all of the other vehicles which is why the wheels are spinning freely. If it was left on, they'd have a hugely better chance. Or if the driver had anything but a lead foot. I love Subarus, almost bought an STI instead of my S4 quattro. But this is bullshit
+thewisegoat Thats not the reason at all. All the other cars send power to the front wheels first, since the front wheels cant get enough traction they spin and THEN send power to the rear differential. By the time the power goes to the rear, the font ones have spun a few times, causing the snow to melt into ice due to the friction(essentially digging a hole) and by the time the power does get to the back its usually to late. The two Subarus are sending power to the back always and there is no shuffling of power between the wheels, it just goes. Turning traction control on or off would not have affected the results because all of these cars use algorithms and the breaking system in order to control wheels spin on these open front and rear differential cars.
The tires on every other car than a subaru look much cleaner than those on the subarus, looks almost like the subarus got either much better tires or even snow chains. Since the video quality is terrible you cant really tell.
I dont think they tested the suvs fair i really don’t believe none of those suvs cant make it up that. I know subaru is great but im sure other could have made it up. Just what i think idk i might be wrong.
Subaru build one of the best awd. No doubt. But with shitty tires there will go nothing. The same to driver skills. To much throttle and there goes nothing. Why is there never a compedition with mitsubishi? The AWD on my Pajero Sport K90 is awesome too. And it's not permanent awd.
So lame they give no throttle and there is a magic button called traction push it and give it some throttle and makes those wheels spin and don’t let off
+farayi muzvuzvu I remember when Jeremy clarkson tested the xdrive system on BMW's crossover it was garbage.... I wonder if they improved it because currently Audi Quattro and Subaru are the champions.
zibby Jdm I don't believe half these videos anymore the ones in snow are the best cause you can see when they let off the gas and let the car slide my dad has a CRV and it's pretty good but I have to say that the AWD system in the A series cars is serious buisness and goes toe to toe with Subaru I don't know about the Q series and I honestly don't care because I have 0 interest in SUV's or crossovers if I need AWD it's not from an SUV.
this isn't a fair test u guys go slap winter tires on all subaru cars. and the rest of the cars have all season tires this isn't a fair test. I mean an idiot would notice that the tires here play a big role in getting up that hill
