Great to see a reaction to the Subhumans. They're still touring occasionally as well. I saw them in the backroom of a pub in Cheltenham a few years back. I first saw them at Stonehenge festival. They were a big part of the anarcho punk movement although often more playful than the likes of Crass. Dick Lucas (the singer) went on to form a band called Culture Shock who I love. They were also part of the same scene and had a ska/punk sound. During the mid 80's a whole scene evolved in Britain the New Age Traveller movement. People travelled around the country in buses or old ambulances, a mixture of hippys and punks. Free festivals were in abundance, organised by like minded people and the mecca was Stonehenge. Of course people were having too much fun and this had to stop. This culminated in the infamous Battle Of The Beanfield where the cops basically snashed up the buses with kids, women, children, Stonehenge was banned and police started cracking down in general. People from this scene were eventually involved in tthe emerging rave scene putting on parties in fields before it moved into the clubs. If you want to check out Culture Shock I'd recommend Go Wild or Onwards And Upwards. I once had an argunent with a bloke in Hmv, the cheeky bastards had put their own sticker over the 'pay no more' corner of the sleeve. A lot of the anarcho punk bands did this, Crass albums were cheap considering aometimes it might be a double. I picked their label off, pointed out the price and said that's what I'm paying. I felt like in my own little way I'd 'smashed the system'😂
@@rjart4 Thanks. It certainly was a Gong album or rather Daevid Allen with Here And Now, also stalwarts of the free festival scene. I think it's the album that a lot of anatcho punk was influenced by as well as dance music. I love the Radio Gnome trilogy but Floating Anarchy is probably my favourite Gong album. Punk Gong what more could you ask for. .
I have definitely (that is to say 'officially' / ticket bought etc) seen Subhumans once but I think I also saw them at Stonehenge festival - I didn't know who they were but the person I was with said it was they! I thought they were good but I have always been suspicious of any thing that flirts with 'metal' so I didn't follow up. I'm better now!! I did enjoy this LP. As JP observed there were references to King Crimson 'Red' but I also heard Sonic Youth in the last song particularly (I know SY appeared somewhat later than Subhumans)
Glad you enjoyed it, Justin! You may want to check out Dick's other bands - Citizen Fish and Culture Shock which have a bit of a ska influence to them. IIRC, I last saw all three at Rebellion 2019.
Great review, mate....bought this in 84....still get played to this day...head and shoulders above most "punk" bands of the day...their best lp imo...the day the country died and worlds apart are great but this lp is their pinnacle
Great to see your reactions as the album unfolded, the surprise and joy on your face as it took its twists and turns. Those moments where you’re really impressed and stare straight into the camera, priceless.
Classic album from an era of exciting albums. CONFLICT (increase the pressure) GBH citybabies..) the MOB (let the tribe..) the EXPLOITED (troops of tomorrow) COCKNEY REJECTS (greatest hits) 4SKINS, BLITZ, LAST RESORT, COCKSPARRER.....these all appeared at the right time for us '69 babies who missed the punk 1st wave. Brilliant stuff
CRADLE TO THE GRAVE is the best punk album ever. and it bends into progressive. i want to ask them” ok.. who was listening to RUSH?” 😂 in my top ten of all time
your the only person that has done this. my buddy drummer and I learned this whole album when we started a band.. back in ‘86. yeah, we’re old. but this was the punk rock bar set very high. any time they’re in town i always go and see them. they’re still touring. and they always sound great.
Wake up Screaming is one of the best songs ever. 1983-84. This album is a masterpiece. Great time for music. We were kids and Subhumans spoke to us. QOTSA did a cover of this song. It’s actually really good. From the cradle to the grave is the 2112 of punk rock. Sounds better in vinyl too
One of my brother's favorite bands. As somebody who is more at home in the classical division it all just sounded like a solid wall of noise to me. Listening with you has shown me that there is actually something more there. Interesting.
I'm new here but I love your critique of from The Cradle To The Grave. One band I suggest whole-heartedly is Amebix. They're considered one of the pioneer bands of Crust, and have been described as "esoteric anarchists". They're lyrics tend ti be grim, but in some tracks, there's also a message of hope if humanity can get itself together. While all Amebix material is really good, I suggest the album "Sonic Mass" Cheers!
Always heard the name from my punk friends, but never delved in. They got me hooked by the intro song. Really good listen! Someone in here mentioned F**cked Up and I highly agree. If you find this a punk epic, you're gonna be blown away by FU's 'The Chemistry of Common Life'
The day the country died is my favorite album by them . I must have played it at least twice as much as this one . No has to be 1 of the best Songs of the period and i think the album came out in the same year as from the cradle to the grave . I highly recommend that you listen to that album sometime if you enjoyed this one . Cheers mate from New Zealand
Wow JP! New to your channel by I freakin LOVE your concept, and I can't believe I felt like 35 years ago with this album! I have a request in the unknown punk scene. NoMeansNo : Wrong
@@JustJPlet me know what you think of the Wrong album of Nomeansno. Considering of the success of your punk subhuman review, I think it could be a winner
Subhumans are VERY musically talented...exceptional lyrics as well Still together today!! Still this line-up! Still a great band !!! Go see them when you can...They never stop touring
Thank you for the nice review, Justin . I remember this album from my own punk and anarcho activist days in the eighties. My room mate had the record and spun it a lot. Never grew on me much then..., but now it does, thanks to you. Don't you find the singer's voice VERY similar to Peter Hamill (esp. in his more angry solo work)! ? If you like to check out some proggy/jazzy punk, check out NoMeansNo. Album: Wrong
Not a punk aficionado. More of a prog rock age so any punk listening is more post punk for me. So I’m surprised that this is very interesting and has a lot of creativity. I never would have listened to this.
I loved hearing this album again. If you like your punk a little proggy, I suggest the album "The Chemistry of Common Life" by Fu*ked Up (not sure if I needed to censor that, but better safe than sorry).
Great album! (One that I think Andy Edwards could add to his evidence that far from being what "replaced" prog rock, punk was what carried it forward from what seemed a bit of a dead end it was headed to when disco arrived to displace it. (There's something you might want to risk exploring at some stage: Disco. There were some pretty good songs from that time. It's just that they got overplayed. And there was plenty of junk, too.) Edit: (And as I start, you bring it up. Yes, Black Sabbath. Very nearly exactly that. If you still need to listen to any of the Ozzy Osbourne years early Sabbath albums, do yourself a favour and do so.) And again: The final message is a bit like the one I signed up for when young, and then saw reality make a right proper mess of (or the system be replaced by a system, as the song says, and there you went in a circle). What I think now is that the more "revolutionary ideas" are good as criticism, but offer no real replacement for what's criticized, and that makes the revolution not the lesser evil (except as gradual necessary pressure balanced out by the greater good of not "fixing" the bits that weren't broken). It's a reason to get up out of the chair, but not to not then sit down again. But that's the boring bit. The interesting thought that occurred to me was that this isn't very different from what drives the "MAGA" crowd. It's not "left" or "right"; it's just angry. Get a sense of grievance, then find someone to shout about it well; end up being useful to someone when that gives a sense of purpose. It gives a better classification of all these "movements" (which often end up in the same category as bowel movements when the whole story has played out on life's brief stage): Not "left" or "right" - essentially meaningless/ nebulous terms. The right classification is between "ANGRY!!!!" and calm. That's not detracting from the need to make potent criticism like this, just from the childish idea that the anger resulting is a good propellant for your rocket being launched into the hazards of your future, that's all. Anyway, as is the usual case, you only figure such things out when it's much too late. There's my bit of additional engagement beyond the "great album" comment - which I still stand by. Like a reliable, decent TrueBeliever, even.
Another Andy Edwards fan here. His vast knowledge, irreverent humour, and the sometimes ramshackle nature with no edits is a joy. I esoecially like his philosophy sundays where he just riffs, flying by the seat of his pants, not really knowing whre it will go
I have a bunch of their earlier stuff in vinyl including this. One of the earliest of anarcho-punk bands. On Dick Lucas-check out the video Punks who paint 2 which features artwork from Charlie Harper of UK Subs and Lucas.
This is one of my favorite political-punk albums of all time. The final track being an absolutely master crafted song. Also, probably one of the most under-rated punk albums of all time. I’ve been fortunate to see them in the 90’s and my friend’s band played with Citizen Fish (spin-off band). Funny Fact: I also grabbed the original UK first pressed vinyl at a record in the 90’s… When I brought the record to the cashier, I could see the pain in his face that he missed this in the new arrivals when they scrub the best records that come in. 😂
Bruce Treasure's master piece he plays guitar and bass on the entire album , when this amazing album came out sounds magazine said if this is punk then they've just redefined the genre !
If I saw this in the cd store I'd purchase it Even if I was wearing my small slim fit Seconds Out t shirt. The vocalist reminded me of Jilted John. Which is always era-defining. This transcends eras though shirley? Eye Don't accept the fish debate mind u... But I digress. Wake up screaming? Wait what year is this? Yep I'd buy it. It has a DIY rough production to it yet plenty of Cough, Artistic Depth. It rained all day today but despite my computer screen falling down on top of the surround mic I laughed and shrugged the whole charade off! Honestly though. Screen came unstuck from it's metal body frame! Couldn't make it up. So I'm onze phone. Great lyrics to this consumerist world here. Rain... revolution?never gonna hate again No one can be bothered Loving is easier That's a lilac time song But Rain is by Martin Stephenson and the Daintees ain't as good as tinselown in the rain is it? These guys were rockers b4 the punk art visionary took over surely? Still good. NosDa everyone. Hold on, this is 2112 performed down the local launderette! Rash eat yer hearts out! And now it's RATM busking in the underground. Still unique though!
Raining Blood. But the Audrey and Kate version. (Any of these.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q8XELX0Sncs.html Permission granted to delete. (Although that might just be a way to feel empowered or whaddever.)
I've been stumbling and wobbling down the PUNKROCK HIGHWAY FOR 40 YEARS this march and thankfully i haven't found the end yet. It might be just around the next corner? over the next hill? but I'll be a PUNKROCKER till they nail the last nail into my coffin lid and bury me 12 feet underground cause deep down I'm not that loud bad or smelly 😅 MAYBE
An interesting album at the time, showing how they’d developed musically. Lyrically they were always pretty consistent though from personal experience they didn’t always walk it like they talked it.
I bought that by mistake, thinking it was by the British band. 😀 I seem to remember that it wasn't bad - although I prefer the anarcho punk of the UK band.
Has to be Rain by the Beatles, with an honourable mention to It's Raining Again, by Supertramp. No offence to fans of the band, but this must be one of the more obscure albums featured on long song Saturday, based on the fact I was growing up in the UK at that time and have no recollection of even hearing the name of this band. Maybe the record didn't make as much of an impact as it might have because it was considered punk and, in the fast moving music scene of the time, punk was already passé. To me it doesn't actually sound very punk, apart from the speed and the vocal delivery. I kept hearing snippets of non-punk influences: metal, as Justin said, but also The Who, Pink Floyd and even Yes. Later bands who have some echo of this sound would include Arctic Monkeys and The Libertines. I thought it was a good record, even though it's not the kind of thing I'd usually listen to. I was very impressed by the guitarist and thought the lyrics were particularly strong.
It's 2am Sunday morning here in Aotearoa new zealand i was thinking about going to sleep and JUSTIN YOU HIT ME WITH THIS AND NOW I'm WIDE AWAKE 👏👏👏. PS personally i can't stand John Lyndon arrogant little troll great music not a great human
MY Life revolves around my three boys STRUMMER SONNY AND KURA and PUNKROCK and trying to be as kind as i can be to those around me. Joe Strummer is and has been my Moral guidance manager for most of my life
The outlook for Thursday (your guess is as good as mine) by kiwi band DD SMASH rain sun wind snow? Who knows we can have all in less than a day here in Aotearoa new zealand . FOUR SEASONS IN ONE DAY
Missing teeth The City Newton Bombers Bad Town The Bludgers Roofdog Mistaken identity Those are the band's that played at my wedding after party.The city newton bombers also played at the wedding reception in the afternoon and then again that night at the kings arms pub same venue as the wedding
@@ijustneedmyself I'd said The Clash's debut album as well as The Saints' (I'm) Stranded or even U.K. Subs' fourth studio album, Endangered Species (1982). That said, I'm not really into punk rock, I've always preferred post-punk!
@@a.k.1740 I loved the 'Subs' first album, but lost track of them after the 3rd. And I had a chat with Charlie Harper once. He/they'd finished their set at a little club I used to go to. It had a tiny kitchen there, and they served burgers through a hole in the wall. I turned around and there was C.H. in the queue behind me. Nice bloke :)
@@jfergs.3302 Actually, from U.K. Subs it's mainly Endangered Species that I really appreciate as a whole, although I do like a few tracks on the albums Diminished Responsibility, Brand New Age and Another Kind of Blues. On the other hand, I've never really delved into the rest of their discography. Not really my stuff.
@@a.k.1740Don't think i've even heard endangered species. As touched on, remember loving the debut, and liking the next two. But my memories hazy now as not listened to any in quite a while. Maybe i'll give E.S. a listen for old times sake 🙂
No, no, and thrice no! There's nothing that resembles originality here from just another Anarcho Punk band. They're veterans now and the stuff i heard was from their inception in '83 to about three years later. Again, the sheer amount of albums of of substance and genuine quality go by the wayside to make room for uninteresting and uninspiring fluff!
Boring as hell! ...instead of which Justin could have react to Black & White by the Stranglers, The Black Album by The Damned or whatever. A waste of time.
@@a.k.1740 I've seen the damned three times and walked out of their last show here in Aotearoa new zealand captain sensible was a complete jerk off and they were BORING AS F..K
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z-pziSVzhjY.htmlsi=kv7prjlH0J_YYj8E Ok JP time for some kiwi PUNKROCK the link above is MISSING TEETH live at Aotearoa new zealand Punkfest 2007 dedicated to my friend SLAMMY who died of pancreatic cancer earlier that year this is authentic in ya face punkrock really good live recording and video these guys are one of the band's that played at my wedding in 2005 there was 6 punk bands and four Ska reggae DJs and one massive hangover
