Subwoofer Showdown, The CHEAPER Sub Wins? Paradigm X15 VS Tonewinner D6000 Comparison

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Paradigm's 15" X15 is put head to head with the Tonewinner D6000 15" subwoofer. Find out in this video who wins using REW measurements.
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00:00 - Similarities/Differences
02:21 - REW Measurements ported
08:02 - REW Measurements sealed
13:00 - My Thoughts
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Комментарии : 81

@dookee383 5 месяцев назад

I really would love to see the tonewinner d6000 vs monolith m15. That’s the comparison the people need to see! It cost less and has a more power.

@keepingupwiththejones2933 10 месяцев назад

Man this D6000 is kicking ass and taking down some big names in the subwoofer arena

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

I'd say it's the budget subwoofer to beat right now. It has all the bells and whistles, and performs like a champ. It has me impressed so far, no question.

@scottlowell493 9 месяцев назад

Many years ago, REL was charging about $2000. USD for a 12". sub. At that time, I built a dayton titanic 15". kit sub. It was $699. The Dayton outperformed the REL in every single area. Fast forward a few years. Velodyne made subs upwards of $4000 that had an output of about 105DB@ 20hz. There are $1200 subs now that can do that, and more.

@gufiaito69able 10 месяцев назад

Im exited for these subs! Thanks for these reviews

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

No problem, I'm glad the video helped.

@madcrabber1113 10 месяцев назад

Nice. I am curious as to how the Tonewinner subs hold up over time and how dealing with their customer service will evolve. Definitely worth watching.

@danielwatts9803 10 месяцев назад

As usual, another excellent review. We really appreciate all the finer details some other home audio guys just ignore. But the REAL comparison review we want is with the HSU Research VTF-15H MK2 subwoofer. As of today Sunday, Aug. 20, HSU has it on sale for $1,199 usd. That monster weighs in at 110 pounds, whew!

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

I would love to bring that review to you guys. I have contacted HSU in the past, but their policies aren't really Canadian friendly so I passed them up. Maybe if they would send me a review unit, I could make it happen.

@danielwatts9803 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech That comparison absolutely has to happen somehow/someway...

@B.A.Audio. 10 месяцев назад

I would really like to see the D6000 against the Monoprice 15!!! Please do this!

@donjaun540 10 месяцев назад

I love these comparisons. I'm glad you're showing these other well know brands hey there are better cheaper options.

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Glad you like them!

@jamiesmith8307 10 месяцев назад

The 6000 seems to be amazing for price and performance. Thank you again for all your time and work buddy.

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

No problem my friend. I'm always glad to share, what I think is interesting info, with the community!

@jlsnr 10 месяцев назад

Another great video, Barrett! You make a very significant work, introducing to the world these "unknown" good brands to us, and opening your eyes (and the "traditional" brands too)! I really appreciate your videos! I saw that you commented that next weekend will be released D4000 review, but could you please just inform if the performance of it is too much different? It seems that they use the same amp for 12" and 15" (it reminds me Monolith 13" and 15", if i'm not wrong)

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Thanks my friend, I appreciate the kind words. The D4000 doesn't quite have the same output as the 15", given the driver size difference. That said, it isn't too far behind either. The D4000 is an amazing performing 12", that I'm sure will be a big seller after people see the performance. I will also be comparing it to the PB3000, and the D4000 fairs very favorably in that comparison as well 😉.

@jlsnr 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech Very nice! I really hope that this brand causes a great impact in subwoofer market. Great to hear this about that subwoofer! Next weekend, comes FAST!

@josephmcdermott4739 10 месяцев назад

Great video, waiting for mine to arrive! Amir was fantastic and had told me these videos were coming haha

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Awesome man, did you get 1 or 2? Aamir really is one of the best audio store owners to deal with PERIOD!

@josephmcdermott4739 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech I went with two of them. Figured it’s a really great deal.

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

@@josephmcdermott4739 Good call, you will be very happy with them.

@mcjonner 5 месяцев назад

I'd love to see a review between the Klipsch 14", the starke ported 15" and the hsu vtf3 mk5! Cross fingers. Keep up the great work thanks for these videos. I'd prefer the smaller Klipsch compared to the 16" and also the vtf3 mk5 instead of their flagship 15" as I imagine these models are more head to head comparison on figuring out which sub is top of the pack

@eyeshezzy 10 месяцев назад

the D6000 is surely amazing...plus it has the high output where it matters most. 20db and above where we can hear

@RjTheTrigun 10 месяцев назад

Keep doing these subwoofer challenges, then you can have rankings based on the matches. If it wasn't for you i wouldnt have heard about tonewinner

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Haha you are the second one to recommend that, I think that's a sign. I just hope they are helpful.

@WoLShiverify 10 месяцев назад

Was the x15 in music or movie mode - you mentioned you had them both in their "standard" mode. Could you compare or upload some screenshots somewhere of deep and strong vs movie mode, if indeed the x15 was in music mode ? I ask because the digm according so sone publications is a quite a bit softer in midrange in music mode, with 5db less from 35 hz to 65hz in music mode vs movie. Wondering what the tone winner does in their other modes. Thanks

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

The Paradigm was in movie mode for max extension. If you want to see how the other modes in the Tonewinner perform, you can see that in the review video, here is the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y4HyhWM10YQ.html

@WoLShiverify 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech thanks.

@danelectr 8 месяцев назад

Please review the ad3pro plus

@dreadedtred 10 месяцев назад

For an initial set up without towers for now, what speakers would you go with that replicates a powered sound bar or book shelf speakers using the Tonewinner D6000?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

I would definitely go with bookshelf speakers over a sound bar. Powered bookshelf speakers will get you better stereo imaging over a sound bar.

@dreadedtred 10 месяцев назад

No amp yet. Would the bookshelfs use tv audio out? Also what tv out would plugged into D6000?

@joeydelmarsjr.646 10 месяцев назад

when taking your subwoofer measurements how close to you place the mic to the subwoofer? 3ft or 6 feet? what do you do when your mic goes into clipping ?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

I measure at my main listening position which is about 9 feet away. My mic never clipped during these measurements.

@FPSkillerPC 10 месяцев назад

Measurements are one thing but what is the sound quality like? Does the Paradigm X15 have cleaner and tighter bass?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

These comparisons were about the objective data. When it comes to quality, I have to base it off of memory. IMO, they are both very similar in SQ. They both have a nice deep tone to them, more similar in their sound than they are different. The TW D6000 is more similar in sound to the Paradigm X15 than it is to the PB3000, even though they all have a deep throaty tone. The Tonewinner has more impact with its lower octaves, similar to the X15 in that respect.

@howardmenkis5252 10 месяцев назад

Yup I maybe have to buy one just to test it out!

@howardmenkis5252 10 месяцев назад

I have a x12,, in my 6 sub system!

@tracyherbert2978 10 месяцев назад

Can you review the Cerwin Vega 215?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

If they ever give me an opportunity to get their equipment, I will try and get the 215.

@SunnySkiesInAZ 10 месяцев назад

Another great video! I’m curious have you reviewed the monolith 13 or 16 yet? How would the D 6000 compared to either of those? My three PB 2K pros are not cutting it for me in my 11 x 18 room. And I really need to replace them and hopefully only want to do this one more time since my pb2k were an upgrade from the sb1k pros. I can see myself spending $1500-$2000 per sub. With a max of $4500 spent. What would you do if you had $4500? 2 monolith 16, 3 d6000, or 3 monolith 13?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Sorry my friend, I have not heard the Monolith 16 or 13. Do you find you get a nice smooth response with 3 subs in your space? If you are getting a nice response, I would try and stick with 3 subs for your next upgrade. All 3 subwoofers you listed have fantastic output, if budget is a concern, get the 3 D6000. With the money you save, invest it into an upgrade for something else in your system.

@SunnySkiesInAZ 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech I’m able to achieve a pretty nice summation of them using my MiniDSP, I just get little to no room pressurization. I have a window sized opening and door sized opening to another part of the house in that room. I’m afraid to make the wrong decision and be underwhelmed again after spending even more money. I’m sure you’ve heard all that before though. If you were going to go 1 step above the d6000, what would that be?

@graysonpeddie 6 месяцев назад

I wonder how the Rythmik FV18 rivals against the Tone Winner D6000 subwoofer given that the FV18 has an 18" subwoofer?

@SunnySkiesInAZ 10 месяцев назад

Just saw some reviews today on the new klipsch rp1600. Do you think you’ll be getting one of those in for review. What’s the difference peak power makes, is it headroom? D6000 800rms 3000peak. Rp1600 800rms 1600peak.

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

I am hoping to get an RP1600 in to compare to the D6000. The peak power will just help for short burst dynamics. It has more power on tap to give you those powerful short dynamic LFE signals. It will have more headroom, but only for the short bursts.

@MrYamaha413 10 месяцев назад

what do u mean by "compression" in this measurements ?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

When measuring the output, the DSP will start compressing the response (reducing the SPL of certain hz) to help protect the driver from damage. So essentially, once you start hitting compression you are reaching the threshold of the driver, at least at certain frequencies.

@user-bk7jf7hc9m 6 месяцев назад

Can u test against klipsch 16

@SpecOfTech 6 месяцев назад

I will try.

@Johnnytrades101 10 месяцев назад

Good job! again impressive results with the 6000. I have a X15 in my family room. It hits like a hammer, maybe I get a 6000 and loose the X15 end table lol. It really is big. A fun comparison would be the mighty D6000 vs the king...the JTR!! unfair but cool to see how it looks measurement wise. What do you think?

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Lol yeah the X15 is a big sub, performs like a champ still though. You are the second person to ask for the D6000 vs the JTR. I might just have to do it. Just to show what performance differences you get when spending well over double the amount.

@Johnnytrades101 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech Absolutely, there is no chance that the D6000 will compete. But how close can it get? I think the TW will showcase its value and performance.

@howardmenkis5252 10 месяцев назад

Tone Winner stuff is great Starter equipment!

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, great starter equipment, and great equipment for those with smaller budgets who still want killer performance.

@HPMIKE55 10 месяцев назад

Great job and what’s the next competition? 😎👍

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

The next video will be about the smaller brother, the Tonewinner D4000. It's a 12" ported subwoofer with some equally impressive performance. After that I will compare it to the SVS PB3000 and possibly even the Paradigm X15 again.

@HPMIKE55 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech I can’t wait and keep up the great job! 😎👍

@billybobby7607 10 месяцев назад

Similar to monoprice 15" apart from app control

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Yeah I agree, their performance would be quite similar. Good on Tonewinner for providing similar performance to the Monolith, while still offering bluetooth connectivity and an app though.

@brucecarter6205 10 месяцев назад

Very strange performance data on that x15. IIRC, the x15 killed it in the mid bass region during the Audioholics testing. I believe they called it a mid bass monster in the review.🤔

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

It absolutely is a mid-bass monster, but you can't compare CEA2010 numbers from Audioholics, to compression testing, which is what I have done. CEA2010 numbers are burst measurements, and just measures the peaks on a short burst of certain frequencies. Compression testing tells you when the drivers starts compressing at certain frequencies based on its own limitations and DSP. Audioholics has some more advanced compression testing on their page of this subwoofer and if you have a look, you will see it started compressing at a similar SPL as in my testing, give or take. Their measurements were not in room, most likely taken outside, so my measurements will be more flattering in the low frequencies, given the room gain. Not exactly apples to apples, but I do believe their compression testing does correspond with mine, given the differences in testing environment. To make a long story short, compression testing is not giving you the max output on each frequency, like CEA2010 numbers are. It is giving the max output before the driver starts compressing SOME frequencies. I hope that makes sense.

@brucecarter6205 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech interesting. Still seems like something is off to me. Given what we know about driver size, amp power, and cabinet volume - the 3 subs you tested and compared should be more similar than different. I believe they all claim to have long throw/high excursion drivers as well. That is an absolutely gigantic disparity in performance, wouldn’t you agree? Anyway, I’d be interested to see how it stacks up against the Cap 2400. It should not be close.

@paullordi5154 10 месяцев назад

I already have subs but if I was looking these would be it!

@benbarfett3331 5 месяцев назад

Great video, but there’s an astounding discrepancy between your REW measurements and the X15’s CEA-2010’s burst measurements. Of course room disparities play a big role, but this delta leads one to believe that all of these metrics should be taken with a grain of salt. Not yours in particular, but in the main.

@SpecOfTech 5 месяцев назад

But you can't compare CEA2010 numbers and compression testing, they are totally different.

@benbarfett3331 5 месяцев назад

That certainly may be the case. I probably stand corrected. Great content by the way. Keep it up.

@edwardsanchez3708 10 месяцев назад

Paradigm's prices have always been ridiculous though. And their subs and speakers don't seem like they are geared for your everyday rock or rap listener.

@howardmenkis5252 10 месяцев назад

Nope but if you don't have to pay retail like everyone else,, they rock!

@miscreant1739 10 месяцев назад

The compression testing you did was the bare minimum. Mainstream reviewers provide compression tests for the full bandwidth rather than stopping as soon as any slight compression is encountered. Without that, how are we to gauge mid-bass performance? Was the Paradigm using ARC? If so, then it doesn't make sense to count its taming of peaks as loss of output. Regardless, some data is better than no data so thanks for your effort here.

@desertplanet3320 10 месяцев назад

He was not using ARC..😊 And for subs, there is not much above 120hz anyway ..so no need to measure higher.. As most systems anyway, cross over much lower..and LFE Typically plays to 120hz. Anyway, with the info he provides, I see enough to make a decision for my eyes anyway .. But yes, some Info is better than no info👍

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

Clarify what you mean by "full bandwidth". I stated in the video that no room calibration was used. Give me an example of a "mainstream" reviewer that provides "full bandwidth", I believe there may be a disconnect with what you mean, and what you are saying...cheers.

@miscreant1739 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech By full bandwidth I just mean for LFE, or up to around 120hz. You're stopping as soon as you encounter any compression but the sub may have a lot left to give in other areas. For the type of testing I'm advocating Audioholics reviews by James Larson are typically good examples - check out their Monolith sub reviews. They perform what they call "long-term output compression" tests where they just keep increasing the signal until no more output is seen at any frequency all the way up to 300hz or more. Erin's audio corner has also provided that data but just in table form. Their tests are outdoors so I'm not suggesting you go that far, but increasing the volume until compression is seen at all frequencies would definitely show more and help people make informed decisions. Doing that with JTR/Funk/Harbottle subs may be too extreme but I doubt there's much risk with a commercial 15" sub. Thanks again!

@SpecOfTech 10 месяцев назад

@@miscreant1739 I understand what you mean now, but the numbers Audioholics provide are CEA2010 numbers, they aren't quite the same thing. CEA2010 numbers are burst numbers that show what the subwoofer is capable of in short bursts at certain frequencies. Compression testing is meant to show real world in room measurements and when the dsp starts to compress the output to save the driver from being pushed to far. If I kept turning up the volume, it wouldn't sound good and would just cause more distortion, which in real world you won't listen at that point anyway. I do know what you mean, but I don't think there would be much value in me continuing to turn up the volume after compression and running the sweeps. I do hope one day I have the means and equipment to conduct CEA2010 testing though. That does give me an idea though. I could try and do burst testing in room, to show what burst measurements I get at those frequencies in my room. The downside is it would be very specific to my room, and the audiophiles would constantly call me out on how that isn't useful information since it's specific to my room lmao. Thanks for watching my friend...cheers.

@miscreant1739 10 месяцев назад

@@SpecOfTech I wasn't referring to their burst testing. I think you need to scroll down the page a bit on the review and you'll see what I'm talking about. They provide a graphical representation of compression testing results. The numbers aren't as useful as outdoor tests as absolute indicators of performance when taken in isolation due to room effects, but I think they have some value when comparing one sub to another in the same room when variables like placement of the sub and mic are kept constant as you did in this test. As for distortion, REW displays distortion info and you could always call it out if you find it reaches an unacceptable level at a certain frequency. Just ideas here, good luck.