Succession Season 3 - Why Tom Made The Right Choice 

fuck i did not even notice. great catch

That scene is VERY important, I noticed it as well, and it made question a lot of things

Also the joyous table flip. I laughed so hard.

and Shiv does not even seem happy about the news

@@adriancastro3232 YEAH, I DO THINK HE WAS THE ONE WHO TIP OFF IN THE END SHIV, KENDALL AND ROMAN

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Which makes his consistent talk about ”everything I do I do for my kids” talk even more bullshit. He doesn’t care about family as much as he cares about having people he can mold.

@@timowieslander2831 His main thing is that he wants a worthy successor. Thus the name of the series.

@@timowieslander2831 Logan sees everyone in his life as either an extension of himself or an adversary. Thus he only ever cares about his children when they BECOME like him. The handful of moments they showed independence, he immediately snapped.

I wouldn't go that far saying that Tom is the killer, because he isn't. Maybe he will play a smart hand now and then, like this.

100000%

not really its a stupid thought

@@terryjp3050 Are you dumb?

Oh yeah!!

Totally

Epic!

best line of season 3

Now it’s Toms time to get fucked by Logan…. when will they all learn

Logan is the smartest character of succession horrible human being....he is a killer 🔥

@@portigoza I loved the line "I wonder if the sad I’d be without you would be less than the sad I get from being with you". Fucking immortal line right there. Now that's the best I think.

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This.

holy shit

Beautifully placed anecdote by the writers for Tom’s character

Oh wow

i don’t think she loves him (because i mean, no) but that the fact that he stays seems like love. he stays in his place and is loyal.

He is just a guy who works for me - Shiv She does not love him.

I don't think she loves him either but I don't think she realizes that she doesn't love him. She was raised with a utility=affection parent/child relationship and never got to see a healthy romantic relationship. I think she thinks she loves Tom. I think she may want to actually love him. But I don't think she's even capable of actually loving a human being. Tom just helps her have a sense of power and normalcy. He's a constant for her which is why she'd rather strong-arm him into an open relationship and have a sense eif unwarranted joy st the thought of having freedom once he's sent to prison rather than just leave him. Plus the idea of a healthy relationship is a sense of pride for her so she can compare herself to her siblings and blatantly differentiate herself from Logan. She thinks she's better than them but she doesn't realize that she isn't.

I don't think she does. In fact I don't think any of the Roy's children can experience love and it all stems from getting none from either parent. Just think about it. Kendall, he craves. He wants, he doesn't love. He tells Rava he loves her but he contacts her when he's most vulnerable and weak. Same with Naomi. Shiv feels inferior so she uses her men to feel superior to them. She openly says to Tom and her ex that she's better than them. And Roman is an open and shut case. I think he suffers from Oedipus complex with some masochism sprinkled in.

I’ve never ONCE felt that Shiv loved Tom. As a matter of fact, I’m puzzled by why she actually married him in the first place. She likes having him around when she wants him, but that isn’t love…

She should have let him be the boss in bed while she's the boss at work. Some balance Shiv he is a man after all!

@@megancatherine352 lol

Erosion of loyalty... So good! Too true.

you see something similar in game of thrones with the lannisters, which is why the Starks end up winning, although it isn't executed well in the show. But I really love how Ned is a major factor behind massive decisions in every season even though he dies in s1

As Logan's ex gf said, Shiv thinks she is way smarter than she actually is, that's why no one respects her and that will ruin her.

not really greg will betray him in the first ocassion to rise above him and it will happened this season imo! greg has no soul and he is the most ambitious, he went from maskot to number 3 in no time

@@yamaniyoussef hmmm.....you may be right. while i highly disagree that he's the most ambitious, maybe he will betray Tom the first chance he gets

I think that's kind of a stretch because their relationship is very VERY toxic, Tom has genuine affection for Greg but 90% of the time he's bullying him to compensate his frustration regarding work and marriage

Genuine? I think not...self preservation and alliance that can be axed in an instant.

This comment didn't age well

The minute she told him, I knew he wasn’t gonna keep it a secret. Tom is no longer her punching bag

To be fair, I don’t think the others realized. Kendall and especially Roman were ti hurt by their father’s betrayal

who cares about the spoil brats, make your own money, they just feeding off their fathers success and wealth , they don't have nothing without daddy's money or influence

@@johndahlia2071 relax mate. We’re watching a show about these children literally navigating their way through a word of power and wealth using their intellect and limited wit. It’s not like they’re nepotism babies buying fast cars and eating champagne all day. They’re actually doing shit. All of them, except maybe Connor. Your argument is tired

Shiv def treats tom like a trophy husband and expects him to stick around but i think her not wanting to get pregnant is sort of justified considering it would jeopardise her chances at CEO especially during such a critical time in her career

I saved this and forgot to watch, and I’m glad I accidentally waited. This guy nailed it.

I think Tom is a sleeper, for GOJO he's wierd and talks about the same subjects as Matteson. I think he's been on the inside the whole time, putting up with crap looking for the chance to make his move. Hopefully they'll do an episode on Tom's history.

I read elsewhere that Tom most likely told Logan about the get together at Kendall’s - thus his doughnut message.

@@DiegoRamirez-zc7fs I think you maybe on to something. I would also like to know why Shiv ever agreed to marry Tom, knowing the way she feels about him?

@@lestonthompson8495 That's super interesting. Tom as dark horse, I love it.👍🏽

@@lestonthompson8495 Someone wrote she married someone safe in order to be assured he would never betray her. She was seeking, whether consciously or unconsciously, to minimize pain in her life.

Perfectly put.

This is Genius level writing

@callmecatalyst what does she mean by that? Especially the mother speaking...

Anyone whining about this season isn't smart enough to watch this show. They're getting Greek tragedy and Shakespearean drama while begging for the plot contrivance of Game of Thrones. Appreciate the gift of this show, and if you can't, just go binge the Fast and Furious movies.

@@gamecokben who's whining in this thread tho?

this is a good point. Each sibling, even Connor, felt entitled to the throne. Tom is actually qualified.

He also uses people as furniture.

I disagree. Tom is not smart enough like Logan. He’s a follower not an alpha.

@@balshb4064 let Tom be the ceo and had Logan as his shadow it is just a simple formula

Tom’s weak and not a killer like Logan. He bombed at the hearing and routinely gets humiliated by keener minds. He’s no leader

Well, that's been clear since the beggining. Tom treats Greg as his Little brother. I act exactly like Tom with my little brothers (yeah, a bit of a douche bag, but its so much fun).

Tom was my character the Roys can fuck off!!!

*wambsgans

Actually, Grandpa Ewan Roy is Greg's best friend. Greg should have listened to Gramps and got out of there.

Protected him out of absolute guilt though, once he made her aware of how he felt he had no priority in her life. Too little, too late in my opinion

​@@mubarakraza9666 Agreed.

She only protected him for her own emotional support, someone in her corner. In the same way every boxer needs a cutman & someone to hold the spit bucket. If Tom did get thrown to the wolves end of season 2, she would have gotten over it pretty quick, we can all agree on that 😆

@@travis3430 your comment reminds me of Romans line to Shiv about her hoping Tom went to jail in season 3. Lol… I wonder how Shiv and Tom’s relationship will change in season 4. Any guesses?

@@spankytag probably more extremes of what we've already seen (iv no clue though obviously lol). She's much more likely to lash out at Tom. She's lost the chance to take over which will have crushed her. She doesn't respect Tom at all. She'll be lashing out like a feral cat towards him in season 4 I think 😆

So true, I thought it started off kind of slow but my goodness it picked up and ended in a bang.

@@shawniehoward I think it started off so slow because we didn't know the characters yet. I have a feeling that If I rewatched the series then the beginning episodes would make a lot more sense and be more interesting than they were during the first watch.

I didn’t like it as much because it wasn’t as funny. It felt pretty serious compared to previous seasons.

My only complaint js that I think they went overboard with the Kendall cringe factor in the first half of the season. It truly became painful to watch at points.

And acting

Shiv has always viewed herself as the smartest person in the room. I suspect in large part because she did make her own way for a while separately from her father and was clearly quite successful at it, however she isn't a business person and she doesn't have the wisdom to know when to keep her mouth shut as evinced by the dinner scene in Turnhaven in Season 2 when she blurted out that she was going to be the new CEO much to Logans annoyance and disappointment .

Logan looks out for people who are loyal to him. Frank has been around for 30 years. I think Tom will be fine.

@@chiefinasmith He's fired Frank at least twice.

@@vivthefree the first time he fired him was fucked up, sure. But the second time he fired him it was because he voted in favor of the no confidence Edit: and even the first time he fired him, it seemed like he still was looking out for him. They made it seem like he got a fat severance.

Never underestimate his alliance with Greg. I suspect Greg will save him in the future.

And Tom went ballistic on Greg in the second season because Greg used the phrase "business open relationship" when proposing a transfer to another department, because it brought his anger with Shiv to the surface and he took it out on Greg.

Remember the talk she had with her mother? about what her father did, never meet something he didn't kick to see if it would come back to him? that's what Shiv does, she is her father's child

If that pans out. Major leverage! The whiff of abortion should bring Tom to heal. And of course there are always staged miscarriages…

Shiv isn’t a weirdo sex creep or drug addict absent father or childish mooch like her siblings. We look at her differently because she’s a woman. Shiv ain’t pregnant but...Logan is making another baby.

@@JoJoJoker That would be a BOMB ! can't wait to see in season 4 Logan welcoming another baby !! The Roy siblings will completely freak out ! And maybe think of kidnapping him/her !! 🤪

@@meghanelaraby277 this is not a soap opera.

damn nick. when you right you right

No, he is not confident at all. He is a coward. You are reading whats not there.

@@ToxicTurtleIsMad He said confident Logan can't be beaten - that doing whatever it takes to get in Logan's good graces is his best move.

Tom offered to go prison because Shiv told him to and he did it to prove that he loved Shiv. But gradually Tom realized Shiv dosent give a fuck about him at all and even told Tom off when he was ranting about prison life, showing absolutely no sympathy or support for him. It's not the only reason but it was another nail in the coffin for Tom to turn against Shiv.

this is the 2nd most underrated comment in this forum. the first being that nero was the adopted son (who succeeds his father to power lol)

You hit it on the nail with that one. This show uses comic relief as a tool rather than just a thing in the background. Using it to hide Tom's intent in plain sight was absolute brilliance.

@@thephilosopher7173 in that retrospect.... Connor for the presidency?

True to that. The show is getting better and better with every season. I was so focused on Kendall's story that I did not realize Tom is playing.

Same here

The Facebook groups are good too

Yep yep^^

dudeee sameee

He’s an incredible actor, but his accent throws me off a little, same with Shiv. Logan just straight up sounds American

@@huhhuh364 Occasionally you can hear the Scot in Brian Cox.

@@redsquirrel1086 Logan is actually scottish too

@@huhhuh364 i only found out this week they aren't american. their accents are great. maybe now that i know i'll notice but if you don't know you don't notice.

@@martinkinn Brian Cox is the actor playing Logan Roy.

The siblings want to take what their father build. I mean if Ken can throw money for the birthday party and all other bullshit, why can't he go and build his empire from ground zero. He thinks he is eligible to be CEO but can't build his own business. I mean he have the finances, contacts and knowledge of the corporate

@@hemashreewesavkar2798 Great point! Shows either incompetence or laziness.

@@naimaismail4356 laziness? Are we watching the same show. Those kids never stop fighting and okay, they want their fathers company but it’s not like they’re just bitching over it, it’s a bloody massacre to even get a nibble. There’s nothing incompetent about them, most ppl in their fictional world would never survive a second of what they try to do. They’re fighting a battle against their father whos had decades to perfect his puppet show, they’re not incompetent…that’s not the word, they’re just below their dept. Even then, they’re still making waves, even Roman but mostly Kendal. Kendal is the only one who has shown any gull worthy of being a CEO. And they have every right to go after their fathers company, they were born into it and he fuc**d their brains up with delusions of being able to attain it.

The moment when Tom protected Greg by not telling Logan about the autobiography stuff in s02 it was clear he has a good heart I feel bad he doesn't fit with the Roys

Shiv can’t give what she never got. Think about who her parents are? Think about the conversation she had with her mother. Shiv and her siblings were raised by narcissistic parents and does significant emotional damage. I do agree however that Tom made the right decision for himself. He was in an emotionally abusive relationship

Well, she wasn't part of the company in the beginning but she was determined to be at the top forcing her to learn how to fit in and we see her getting better at it, honestly, she showed no commitment in the relationship cos she doesn't care about Tom, she just likes the idea of marriage and stability. No sane man will accept that, if not for Tom's end game he would've walked away.

I agree. I feel like Tom gave her a lot of chances and searched hard for any reciprocation and she would show she didn’t care every time, and finally telling him to his face that she didn’t love him

she was raised by Logan Roy. she's incapable of traditional love.

She loves him like Logan loves his children and wife

You called it

come on , no way . only first season was good. 2nd and 3rd they dragged it.

I agree, I can’t think of one aspect they did wrong. Even shiv’s clothing, the shooting locations, the growth of the characters. It’s just juicy.

Watch The Sopranos or even The Wire, and come back

@@TalkShowIL the wire will always remain the best

@@jockodubproductions9799 The Wire is not fit to lace The Sopranos boots. Succession is the best since The Sopranos.

Huh? GOT was amazing for the first 6 seasons. Huge betrayals and twist.

@@NT-or9wh nah. GOT was GENUIS for the first 4 seasons up until dumb and dumber ran out of the source material.

@@Priv007 Indeed. I dont get how people think season 5-7 were good.

@@NT-or9wh That's the problem, they kept aiming for huge. The first few seasons are great because they're well-crafted in spite of spectacle.

@@NT-or9wh first 4 that's it

Exactly. He wanted to get her pregnant to achieve that. He couldnt so he betrayed her.

You are wrong. He always wanted top job

Sure is

There is no rating system. Just enjoy.

True but surely he could spin that

It Will appear but sincerely, it doesnt really matter. They all scheme on the back, its normal, but Toms loyalty has always been unshakeable with Logan.

Another great video - we're grateful to be able to work with you man! 👌🏼

@@tobias.husk. Any plans for Android?

Darn it. I looked at that graph and completely forgot what I was doing. Well, looks like I gotta watch the vid again. EDIT: Husk is what I was forgetting.

No offense, but choosing who is "right" here is kind of weird unless you think retribution is a positive. They are all douche bags in this show - that's the point. Tom did what was best for him, but I think that is pretty obvious. Him being unhappy doesn't make him good for siding with Logan. And before anyone comes back at me with any weak crap about me siding with Shiv? Please read the second sentence in this post! Also, Logan is totally playing Tom to have an in with Shiv. Logan has showed he's more than happy to turn around and stab someone in the back after he gets what he wants. Tom is just smart enough to know Logan will win, but that's about it. I think I'm more interested in seeing Shiv's reaction to this. Will she even divorce him or anything? Will she see him as powerful and keep him around? I'm disappointed in the character of Shiv - I thought it was good having one somewhat successful outsider among the siblings who seemed content with their career outside of the family business, but as soon as her dad made offers to her she became almost a female version of Roman.

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The writing is so good even I notice that lol so many well done character writing ✍🏼

In season 3 final episode Tom is being interviewed for his great job on ATN, imo it highlights his competence, unlike the siblings he is actually a phenomenal executive.

@@isaacentebi7383 exactly. Remember the family (the siblings) think hes a doofus. But it obvious that he made his way into that circle through talent and being ruthless himself. Tom knows what it take to be there more than they do and he's got the talent to boot. Hes is a formidable character with logans backing. He's up there with Gerri, Karl, and Frank now. And as you saw with logan loyalty means a lot when combined with talent. He brought frank back in even after his plot to take him down

i disagree with Sam. Tom is becoming a killer. He can finally feel the grasp of power. He's nowhere near Kendall's level of devotion/hatred for Logan, so that makes him a stronger player in the field. Now that the tables have turned, and he's proven himself to be useful and diligent, he's not only on the winning side, he's in the winning play. Why keep tom in a senior position? Puppeteering. Nepotism at its finest. But as the phrase goes "friends make great enemies", so he should be kept in place in case he starts playing both sides. Logan never loses and having a backdoor into the company can be of use to him. I seriously doubt he's only selling because it's a good deal. He was smiling. Smiling is no good. Or The Lion has gone mad. Cousin Craig learned quickly how to backstab relatives and associates, going as far as entering a criminal corporate conspiracy. It's all very relative. I wouldn't say Tom wins the game, i have no idea who will. Next season may be the last, something has to happen and it will happen. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out. Have a good one!

​@@isaacentebi7383 Yes, and Mattson will need a figure like Tom to handle traditional media in order to maximize ATN's profitability. Plus, with an army of young men like Greg, Tom can help blend the aspects of legacy and "new"/digital media.

God I love this show. even the comments are interesting .

Greg is going to end up winning everything, calling it now.

Greg is not loyal to anyone except himself so I very much doubt he would save Tom. He requested to off load his own misdemeanours on Tom since, at the time, it appeared as though he was going down any way. Tom may be manipulative but he has shown loyalty to Greg on multiple occasions.

@@solenya4983 And Connor will end up being POTUS..... This IS the USA after all.

and? That should be expected. Meanwhile 90% of the rest of the time is her not giving a fuck about him

Not out of love for sure. She didn't want her " property " to be lost! And look bad infront of anybody who knows her that her little pet went to prison. It would just hurt her pride. Tom belongs to her. She DOES NOT LOVE HIM. ! it was crystal clear in season 3 during some kind of sex talk she started, she said what she felt towards him completely ! And Tom was shocked, but played along. It was next morning he brought it up and expressed his worries about what she said, ( Not loving him, and him being with her knowing she DOESN'T love him, she was out of his league e.t.c. ) she got nervous & said he shouldn't take seriously what she said during sex !! So NO she doesn't love him !!!

@@meghanelaraby277 "Not out of love for sure. She didn't want her " property " to be lost!" Odd interpretation. I always took it as her guilt for marrying him knowing she wasn't capable of being a faithful wife. He still stuck around after that though - IMHO he's always been a lot more mercenary than a lot of commentators think. Look at how obsessed he was with trying to curry favor with Logan in the very first episode only for Logan to give Tom's watch gift away immediately to cover Roman's foibles. If he wasn't mercenary he would have simply trusted Shiv's influence to get him what he wanted, even Shiv was basically telling him it doesn't matter what you get him.

@@mnomadvfx i think its spot on. Shiv didn't stick up for Tom in season 2 out of love but because she didn't want to lose whatever odd sense of security and love Tom gives her. She did it for purely selfish reasons, not for any real love for Tom. Name one altruistic thing Shiv has ever done for Tom in any season. The entire reason she helped Tom get a top job at Waystar was to have someone who was slavishly devoted to her high up in the company. She started off saying that she didn't care about the top job and would help Tom land it but it soon flipped and she wanted it for herself. Tom, as usual, went along with her and they were married despite her affairs while they were engaged and her wedding night ambush. Season 2 had Shiv initially saying Tom would be a good sacrifice and only changed her mind when he finally stood up to her and talked about what life without her might be like. In Season 3 despite Shiv allegedly standing up for Tom he is still facing jail. In fact with Kendall refusing to be the sacrifice it's all but assured. He is now Terminal Tom. She doesn't show the slightest bit of concern for his plight and actually seems annoyed that he talks about prison so much. Then she finally drives the dagger home by mocking Tom in an intimate moment and telling him she doesn't love him even tho he loves her. The next day she doubles down on her statement and when he says her comments hurt him she gaslights him, saying you can't ask for dirty talk and then get upset when you get some (even tho he didn't actually ask, she did). She tells him "even tho I don't love you, I love you, you know that right?", whatever the hell that means. Tom gives her a final chance to show that she has any feelings for him at all when she calls him to tell him the kids are on their way to stop the sale and to get the news arm of Waystar ready. Tom asks her where he fits in and as usual she gives him some non-answer. He realizes that there is nothing left between them, if there ever was, and decides to look out for himself since it's now crystal clear that Shiv doesn't give a damn about him. Tom is a social climber and a sycophant but he loves Shiv. She kept abusing him a little more each season while destroying any reason dj he had to protect her. If she hadn't made such a point of telling him she didn't love him in season 3 I think he would still be sitting, miserable, in her shadow. I think it's far, far too early to know just how much this will help Tom tho. If the company has been sold he will have to fight for his job. Does he have an actual deal with Logan or does Logan just owe him? There's no way to know. Shiv is a dangerous enemy to have so who knows if this turns out well for Tom. I will say that staying with Shiv in such an abusive marriage would only have driven him crazy. At least this way he has a chance at getting ahead. Shiv is a dead end, as incapable of real love as her parents and siblings.

@@presterjohn9088 great point here

@@meghanelaraby277 Relax! It's not like Tom loved her either. Not that way anyway. He married her for her money, influence and power, let's not kid ourselves. When he saw that she decided to compete for that power as well by quitting politics and accepting to be Logan's successor, she no longer served *his* true interests so he betrayed her. If she had stuck to their original plan of her continuing to pursue poltics while she pushed him to advance in the company I doubt Tom would have a problem with continuing to take whatever indignities she threw at him.

It was so satisfying she deserved it all

Yeah that last scene got me a laugh when I saw Shiv’s face when Tom walked in

She thinks she can be Logan, kicking dogs and seeing if they come back,, because that's all she knows of relationships, but she misunderstands that Tom was never obedient to her out of fear or obligation, he bent to her will largely because he loved her, and if you slowly erode that love, you slowly lose his obedience.

It’s the cycle of abuse that keeps repeating. Shiv was heavily emotionally abused by Logan and to a lesser extent her mother, there is nowhere for her to model healthy relationships after. And this betrayal is even worse for her, because this is the only person she ever dared to blindly trust, even if she was constantly abusive towards him.