Sukuna: Has been active for centuries at least, fought countless sorcerers and curses at the absolute peak of jujutsu history, has learned basically everything there is to know about cursed energy on top of his body being the optimal form for jujutsu sorcery, not to mention being able to hop bodies in order to snatch whatever technique he needs. Meruem: 2 months old, spent most of that time eating and playing board games, never even got to develop a Hatsu. His first fight was vs. the strongest Nen user in the world and a literal nuke.
Why does people keep saying this sukuna has only been a sorcer for about 40 - 50 years, during the rest of the time he was sealed away and just sleeping as gege put it.
@@AniSwiftTVRecapsthat's a good point unless sukuna has been chilling in his weird mind scape world this entire 1000 years but that is just kinda funny
@@sladelius6174huh? Being able to do ANY sort of damage to heian era sukuna is more than ANYTHING chrollo has in his arsenal Netero STRONGEST attack barely did any sort of damage to pre rose bomb meruem. A weaker netero considered hisoka(the same mf that chrollo needed 2 years of prep time + 5 additional phantom troupe members to defeat) a bug. Hell Zeno zoldyc IMMEDIATELY dipped when he encountered pitou and meruem and Zeno vs chrollo is HIGHLY contentious at worst. Let's downplay sukuna here Let's say fp haienukuna = fp rose bomb meruem Yuta being able to do ANYTHING to even a weakened sukuna would make him speed blitz and fodderize chrollo. This is even worse because sukuna is stronger than meruem who would beat the living shit out of everyone combined except adult gon, his only true challenger.
If Meruem got a 30 day time skip training nen and cursed energy, I think he takes the cake. If he ate the brain of someone like Hakari or Kashimo and like shoko. He'd be unstoppable.
@@aegisgg9175He was fighting an elderly man way past his prime. Meanwhile Sukuna was fighting the strongest sorcerer of modern times taking risks out the ass having a personal science experiment and won.
Hisoka will win.... Toji speed should be just higher than mach 3 and hisoka is far faster.... And it shouldn't even be a debate hisoka IQ>>> homeless man
Imo the only person who’s “planetary” in JJK so far is Yuki with her blackhole technique which was literally going destroy the planet if it wasn’t for Kenjaku’s convenient anti gravity technique and Tengens barrier Just like Ronin said I think the statement that Sukuna could destroy the world is hyperbole and not to be taken literally. Like he can’t make the planet go boom but if he decided he wants to destroy civilization and wipe out life as we know it no one can stop him. Sukuna wouldn’t even want to destroy the world bc it wouldn’t benefit him and plus that shit would get boring and tedious for him
I agree destroying "The world" doesn't mean he's planetary any more than Kurama or rimuru being stated to be able to "turn the world to ash" makes him plantary, but all can wreak trmendous havoc.
That faster than sound feat for Netero was Netero without using any Nen, his Nen Buddha is obviously much much faster, not to mention that Pouf stated his post rose amp to be over 3 times faster than before… Also in base Meruem’s ap already surpasses his durability as he was able to rip off his own arm quite easily, and if he got close enough to Sukuna, I doubt he’d give Sukuna any chance to regenerate as he'd just take his head off, the only reason he chose to take Netero’s limbs first is because he needed to defeat Netero without killing him as that was the condition to learn his name… He’d also be able to sense Sukuna’s every move and intention with his en, so there’s a pretty good chance Meruem still wins
Meruems mentality going into the fight could be a big decider, if he's not there to talk or play around it's a lot worse for Sukana. If he does start a dialog and Sakuna thinks he's cooked he could possibly trick Meruem into making a disastrous binding vow or pull out whatever the next chapters technique is that wins him the fight.
Meruem, nobody in HxH came anywhere close to his raw strength in just 40 days of life, he didn’t even have a full grasp of nen and barely used it outside of very basic applications and was still so overwhelmingly more powerfully then the verses other heavy hitters
@@Nick-bv1ycit’s almost not fair because it’s like comparing a grown adult to an infant, Meruem didn’t even have time to learn the Nen fundamentals, imagine how Ten, Ren, Zetsu, and a Hatsu would change the nature of the battle, Meruem only living for 40 days and already being relative to a centuries old Sukuna is crazy, and I don’t think Sukuna wins low diff at all
@@cedricspencer720 I agree that Mereum at full potential would be a monster, but Sukuna already has the stats and hax to quickly overwhelm Mereum any day, but Mereum's Iq would b Sukuna's biggest issue
@@Nick-bv1yc if Muereum had the same amount of time (wouldn’t even need as much) as Sukuna had to refine his technique and gain battle experience, I don’t think Sukuna would stand a chance, a basicly new born meruem is already relative to Sukuna now, give him a Hatsu and teach him how to use Zetsu, Ten and Ren effectively combined with his intellect and ability to come up with strategies and he spites
@@cedricspencer720 Dude, u can give Mereum all the time that needs to b at his peak, Sukuna still has the better stats and hax to beat him. Plus, Sukuna's Iq is probably as great as Mereum's. So imo, Sukuna > Full Potential Mereum high diff while Sukuna > Mereum low diff in a fight
I do wanna mention that Sukuna’s finger are implied to not be a linear boost. Kenjaku said Sukuna at 8 fingers would be relative to Jogo, and when faced with like a 1.8x stronger Sukuna he literally says that is false, meaning Sukuna was more than 1.8x stronger. And it also makes sense since a 2 finger Sukuna was completely outclassing a finger barrier, and Sukuna also said they weren’t close at all so that also implies a greater than linear difference.
Kenjaku was talking about curse energy Sukuna was confident he could possibly beat Mahoraga even at 3 fingers. Mahoraga would fodderize all the disaster curses even if they jump him
Although the fingers definitely aren't linear. comparing sukuna to a finger bearer when we know that sukuna's jujutsu knowledge heavily affects his strength ( example a 1 finger sukuna would completely outclass a finger bearer as well. his CE efficiency, output and reinforcement would all be much higher then the finger bearer because of his jujutsu knowledge.
@@nirbanjyotidas5828kinda false ngl The toji = 3f statement can be easily debunked because megumi got absolutely perception blitzed by both 3f sukuna and both toji despite toji easily being stronger jogo who's said to be 8-9 fingers in strength Megumi compares toji with 3f sukuna cause sukuna was the strongest opponent he ever saw in action so of course he'd compare toji with 3f sukuna Also sukuna wasn't exactly being nerfed to 10% against maki yuji because only sukunas technique and ap was being nerfed as stated by sukuna himself So basically in terms of physical stats, maki and culling game yuji are both fairly well comparable to 15f sukuna
@@Zeno1781 In all fairness, Maho's got the Sword of extermination A LITERAL Hard counter to ANY cursed spirit, even Sukuna himself said that Maho's sword would literally 1 shot him had he been a cursed spirit and not in a vessel
Im sorry but scaling someone's ce output based on the interior of their domains literally just doesnt make sense jogo was able to create a mountain but dagon was able to creat an entire island so by your logic dagon would be multiple times stronger then jogo even tho its been stated multiple times that jogo is stronger then dagon and would this also implies that gojo has a infinite ce output since he can make an infinite void in his domain but its also stated that yuta has a higher output then he does and his domain is just a field
Gojo create imaginary mass Yuki create black hole Yurozu create infinity pressure Another create can slow time Takaba can manipulate reality Jjk might be a low verse but all the characters attack are nothingto laughed at Sukuna can now literally cut the world, the existence itself
@@aditi002jens7 CE amount and output are two completely different things. Yuki arguably even has more output than Yuta, with the black hole her AP must be insane to make that amount of mass.
What i dont understand about Powerscaling is how the Creation/Making/Growth of Things translate to 'Levels' (ya know, wall-level, planet-level, all that stuff) and i also struggle with putting things in the Unit of TNT
@@slevinchannel7589Creation in levels signifies the sheer amount of mass one can create, while measuring in TNT basically means “this character hits with the force of this much TNT”
Most people say that we don’t exactly know what attack he was about to launch at Sukuna, so they don’t use it. I’d give him the feat depending on the matchup.
While I agree that the inside is far larger than the outside, when it comes to domains, I think, if we scale the verse based off of domain creation feats that makes Gojo universal as it is a endless space in his domain, I’d love to hear what y’all think tho
yea I agree we shouldn't use the size of a space created inside a domain expansion as a powerscaling feat, domain expansions are just abilities that characters can do it doesn't actually translate to their stats
It's been stated that what is inside a DE doesn't matter in the fight between Gojo and Sukuna. It's practically just an illusion that is made to appear in a certain way, but that doesn't mean it is the actual thing. Jogos Lava doesn't have the properties of normal lava and it is just how his CE appears, so technically none of the domains can be scaled to AP in any way
The photons would allow him to react to anything Sukuna throws at him aside from world cleave, they literally send him the information of anything they touch instantaneously.
I feel like adaptability is a big factor here, both of these characters are the type of people that will eventually, somehow, find solutions to whatever the other throws at them... If anything, they'd be having so much fun that everything would be destroyed before either of them.
@@seanbrown7083 Meruem literally has a superior ability then Sukuna cutting shite. Insane range and Nen potential. He can also fly and just use better slashing abilities then Sukuna by making the Nen ability.
@@khulmach9662so this is just factually wrong. Mereum's nen is apprently 50 meters long. Sukuna's domain expansion is up to 200 meters in length. And to stop Mereum from escapinf he can just close the barrier. Not only did the video prove that Sukuna has the hax that negs Mereums body and soul but Mereums range is 4x less than Sukuna's. Mereum loses in every aspect
Meruem > Sukuna Meruem has Pouf and Youpi's abilities, more importantly, Pouf's ability. Pouf has the ability to split himself into little pieces, which makes him immune to any slash attack. Although Meruem didn't showcase it, it's heavenly implied that he has gained all the upgraded abilities from Pouf and Youpi; which means Sukuna's cleave would be useless against Meruem. And I don't see Sukuna winning with the fire arrow alone. Saying Sukuna can heal an arm but Meruem is also bad. Meruem can easily reconstruct his body to grow an arm with Youpi or Pouf's ability. Dude created a wing for himself because he wanted to fly. And you think he can't make another arm? Remember how Toji is OP in the verse of JJk, because he has no curse energy? Meruem also has no CE, which means Sukuna can't sense him (meanwhile Mereum's En can sense every living beings and their emotions), it would be easy for someone as intelligent as Meruem to exploit that and kill him in a blindspot. Nen is also more versatile than Curse Energy. Beyond the fact that Nen user can sense CE user while CE user can't sense Nen user. With CT, you are stuck with your innate CT, but with Nen, you can create limitless (no pun included) possibilities. Meruem can even create a new ability during a fight (like Cheetah but 1000x better). In don't think people remember how Nen is especially OP against nenless people, see Killua vs Zushi for example, Killua would've lost the fight if Zushi used Nen, even though he was massively stronger than Zushi in experience and physical stats. Nen is basically the combination of 3 haki from One Piece with the addition of creating your own power. Put it this way, I don't see Sukuna tanking a Zero hand and a Nuke without turning into a pile of ash.
@@rc23dp2o Not really, you do know Old Man Netaro is obviously massively above Mach 1 right...? That was false information people spread from not even reading properly. HxH characters are not weak and slow. The got feats from People like Hisoka outscaling Jackpot Hakari
The lame Arrow is around City-Level OR about 40 Megatons TNT? This confuses me. I thought this was a 'whole new kind of Jujutsu Sorcery' and 'literally above' the Pinacle. My surprise about how weak this Arrow was is one thing, but i wanna ask anyway: What 'Level' are real-world Natural-Disasters and Nukes? Oh, and one last thing: Guess Broken Ronin doesnt know but thx to Killua its nonsense to say Netero is meant to be speed of sound WITH Nen: the impressive thing clearly is meant to be without Nen, otherwise the feat-statement makes 0 sense. Sorry this comment is so long but i like to talk if you have time!!
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2oxPretty sure he doesn’t!NOBODY in the series is even near light speed!jjk powerscaling is a lot more grounded and logical than that!Same goes for hxh too of course!
Felt like mereum got low balled considering that in the manga it's stated by pouf, yupi & the king himself that everything he did post awakening not only was it not the full extent to what he could do, but he was also doing it causally. All of that is ignoring the fact the kiluas god speed amps his nervous system: The human nervous system is limited in how fast it can convey signals to other body parts; Godspeed covers Killua in electricity, allowing his thoughts (or defensive reflexes) to be instantly transmitted at, well, the speed of lightning, which in turn puts his reflexes at lightning speed, mind you which is still much much slower than netero hand speed however the king scales far beyond that of killua. In other words you lowballed the hell out of meruems speed, on top of not even taking note of the fact that he can basically teleport anywhere at anything in range of his en which covers a distance far larger that sukunas domain. Like come on lightning is roughly 1/3 the velocity of light, where meruem upscales off of killua but scales a bit lower than neteros hand signs PRE-AWAKENING like come on, Sukuna isn't light speed when high balled he's relative to light where meruem was already relative pre-awakening, much less after awakening where he was casually tossing around mountain level blasts and teleporting via en again casually, at this point there was no one in the story capable of stopping meruem. That said since we've never seen him fight post awakening his durability and full destructive capabilities is yet to be seen so I'd say he still loses if he gets hit by world cutting slash, but if I'm being honest I don't see how the hell sukuna hits him since he's faster and can teleport in a much larger distance that sukuna can reach, going by verse equalization rules he can see all the slashes sukuna does. Sure if world slash hits him he's dead, doesn't mean that it lands.
Correction: the return stroke is 1/3 the speed of light. Despite this though it’ll count as higher end scaling for Meruem in this video. And when put next to high Sukuna scaling it still falls short since you still have lightning timing to FTL Sukuna, and this isn’t as much of high ball as you would like to think, he’s still able to react to it and I wouldn’t exactly call that aim dodging either because not one chapter later he managed to make a full chant and launch dismantle fast enough to cut through Kashimo’s blast (and this one being slower than the one from his palm wouldn’t make sense either, because who would throw an even slower attack than the one that failed to hit the target?). It’s also pretty clearly implied that Sukuna was just faster than Kashimo in general throughout that entire fight. I also wouldn’t call that ability teleportation so much as it’s more like fast travel in a sense. He’s basically just moving at light speed.
@@anhthai7005 >_< " also wouldn’t call that ability teleportation so much as it’s more like fast travel in a sense. He’s basically just moving at light speed." When sukuna needs to be high balled to get there, unless you think Yuji & crew are all light speed given that they're doing much better than kashimo did who just showed his technique then died right after
@@MasterChief-ie2xu Not really? I mean they’re relativistic+ at best tbh. And they’re only really doing better than Kashimo because: A. They all jumped him at once while Kashimo just went in solo. Even then most of them got bodied anyways. RCT also make our two main characters absurdly hard to put down, plus Yuji is also known for his absurd level of endurance. B. Sukuna held back like a lot, he basically toyed with most of them. Aside from Yuta but that’s only when he managed to open his domain, legitimately speaking he could have ended Yuta before he deployed his domain but chose not to. (Because if he could get off a full incantation even while being assaulted on three fronts and having a max output domains amped Jacob’s Ladder from Yuta dropped on him beforehand. He could definitely do so while not nearly as pressed) C. Kashimo isn’t exactly portrayed as a speedster type character. Of course he’s fast but that generally just comes with that level physical stats, Jackpot Hakari was able to straight up out speed the guy in a class at one point. Mythical Beast Ambers just amplified his base stat significantly, and not point was it mentioned that it made him JJK’s flash or something, so Yuta and Yuji (especially Yuta) being roughly relative to him is not anything of note.
Dont they outright say in JJK that a Nuke MIGHT be able to kill a special grade curse ? Not a Sukuna special grade curse , not even a disaster curse not even a finger vearer special grade curse , just a normal soecial grade curse , wouldnt this put Meruems' durability on the same level as an average special garde curse ?
The Flame Arrow is around City-Level OR about 40 Megatons TNT? This confuses me. I thought this was a 'whole new kind of Jujutsu Sorcery' and literally above the Pinacle. My surprise about how weak this Arrow was is one thing, but i wanna ask anyway: What 'Level' are real-world Natural-Disasters and the Military's Nukes? Oh, and one last thing: Guess Broken Ronin doesnt know but thx to Killua its nonsense to say Netero is meant to be speed of sound WITH Nen: the impressive trhing clearly is meant to be without Nen, otherwise the feat-statement makes 0 sense. Sorry this comment is so long but i like to talk if you have time
I mean isn’t that because CE is the only thing that’s effective against CS’? Like yeah you CAN nuke them but it’s way more efficient and you don’t need as much power if you just use a sorcerer, and this is also just an example gojo used to explain CS’ to yuji so it’s not even necessarily true. It’s just a general example. It’s likely just gojo giving hyperbole so yuji has an idea of generally how dangerous something is… Kinda like if I said “getting punched by Bruce Lee would be like getting your insides sent to the blender dimension” I’m not literally saying Bruce hits hard enough to literally blend your insides, I’m using that as an example to say “Bruce Lee will fuck you up”
Its Stated cluster bombs might work against a special grade NOT a nuke. Nuke would 100% clap anything in the JJK universe. For reference it goes Grade 4 dies to wooden bat, Grade 3 should be good with a pistol, grade 2 cutting it close with a shotgun, grade 1 tank might be useless, special grade carpeting explosives such as a cluster bomb might work. Carpet bombs are about 6.75045 Tons of TNT. compared to a nuke which is easily 50 mega tons (50,000,000 tons). Meruem survives a nuke while normal SG curses die to carpet bombs. You would then have to explain how sukuna is 7,462,686.56716 times more powerful than a regular SG curse, Which he isn't. People don't do research on different universes while power scaling AND people like you misremember things like how durable a SG curses are thinking they are at nuclear levels when in reality its much MUCH less than that. Meruem can't be hurt by anything sukua does besides world slash, which he cant land because meruem is not only faster but he can morph his body into any shape he wants due to absorbing Yupi. He can also see the world slashes due to his photon reading ability he got by consuming Pouf. Now meruem also has his explosive nen rage blast which can level mountains easily. making this attack easily stronger than a regular cluster bomb (which as we know SG curses sit around that level of durability) meaning it would damage sukuna heavily if not completely. Anyone who has read both manga would know Meruem would win with minor difficulty . Just because JJK is a great anime/manga doesn't mean it has to win, also recency bias is HUGE determining factor is a lot of these discussions, AND this is on a mainly JJK focused YT channel so it only makes sense the creator would make his money maker (JJK content) win.
I actually agree with your assessment, though I think if Meruem had been taught all of the principles of Nen (Ren, Hatsu, Ten, Zetsu, Aura Management) and developed a technique that this would go a very different way. Combine that with the possibility that Meruem could have post-death Nen and I could see Sakuna getting overwhelmed. 🤔
It's worth mentioning that Meruem's true ability is consuming nen. He is able to absorb and perfect the techniques of those he eats in minuets after sustaining a death blow. You mentioned Meruem might struggle to take off a leg, but what about a finger. Sukuna already has a precedent for transferring large amounts of power through the eating of a finger, and Meruem is born to absorb power in this way. I don't think this fight ends cleanly for anyone even without this potential chaoitic move. Advanced nen techniques are a part of Meruem's arsenal and provide more utility than what was mentioned. Gyo and En could allow Meruem to see cleave and dismantle. Zetsu would essentially turn him into toji with amped stats. Meruem didn't bother hiding from Netero because he could safely tank his strikes. In this scenario I doubt Sukuna could land successive blows on Meruem without the ant king retreating and planning a better move. Even within the Malevolent Shrine Ko or Ten may act as an analog for Simple domain and provide ever adapting resistance. Meruem likely scales to mahoraga in terms of adaptability but far higher in brute durability. If meruem eats a finger, maybe he gains a heal from reverse curse or maybe he becomes a sorcerer. We know Meruem is weak to poison, if sukuna knows this it's game over for the ant king.
@wswann34 I don't think this fight would go quite so smoothly though meruem's kit lacks a clear technique that gives him an edge and both combatants are wildly adaptable I think this is a 40% 60% split in favor of sukuna with the caveat that Meruem could eat a finger to swap those scores.
@@jamie8703 meruem insane durability might give him a way because of how he was able to tank netero punches, eventually avoiding it and was able to guarantee a counter. Hax does make this a lame fight doe..... sukuna might say his slashes was reinforced with nen from 100 years ago lol
Unrelated but ,some comments (on another video) compare sukuna's age to other characters. Sukuna isn't 1000 yrs , he was a cursed object . So he somewhat around only a century or something idk.
Nice video Ronin hey are you gonna make in the future Shibuya Incident Arc Vs Chimera Ant Arc [comparison] they look similar if you look deeper about Humanity
@JustJeff777 Yea I think Sukuna dropping on HxH has two possibilities. 1. He is stopped early before he gets too much understanding of the power system. 2. He completely breaks the power system and again becomes a calamity. Meruem in JJK is even worse because he isn't a curse but would have inhuman power and toughness even without CE. Without anything being explained to him just like HxH he would probably understand he has this new cursed energy and immediately begin mastering it. It would take someone really strong to stop him just off rip. If he managed to learn RTC on combination with his toughness then Really only Gojo would have the tools to put him down as even a 20 finger Sukuna wouldn't be able to. Meruem with Cursed reinforcement ( probably surpassing everyone besides gojo ) with RCT and natural toughness so far above anyone else that it isn't even funny. He would literally tank any domain besides Soul or mind based ones like Gojo and Mahitos. Honestly either Antagonist thrown into the other universe is on a timelimit and if not stopped quickly they become basically unstoppable in the verse. The second Meruem gets a domain or learns something like simple domain it's GGs.
@@jx8903not really u just need a strong body or will since sukuna stated that megumi could have suppressed him if he ate the finger before he lost his sanity and yuji became immune to poison after he ate sukuna finger so he wasn't immune to poison before
@@mumenrider1908 you can’t use a statistic based on normal humans and sorcerers for a chimera ant whose power is quite literally the synthesize what he consumes and make it his own power
You don't need to completely obliterate a mountain to be in the mountain level range. Just depends how it was destroyed and if we got about the same calcs in mind, they use vaporization for what he did, making the feat drastically higher than regularly destroying a mountain. Scaling domains doesn't really make sense, one can create but it does not mean they are always outputting that power regularly, and in JJK's case Domains are the greatest techs, doesn't make sense they scale to that. If you acknowledge that they can't physically punch on that level, then how are they exerting that power through curse energy, the thing they always use?
@@Rhenkei Oh, makes sense. Yeah, I completely agree with you here. In chapter 250, it was stated how Yuta's domain has infinite swords. This is impossible if the logic was "amount of cursed energy (output) = power of domain expansion" cause you'd need infinite cursed energy to generate an infinite amount of those swords. It works more like there is a degree of cursed energy required to create the mechanism that does something. In this case, Yuta needed the cursed energy to only create his domain and his domain is the one automatically creating those swords like a machine. edit: Again, this logic may not exactly apply to every domain/technique, but you can see my point.
I don't think sukuna normal attacks would even hurt Meruem though. The slashes from his domain left gojo a bleeding mess, but did not even cut his limbs. Meruem is shown to receive head on attacks of the budha statue and not even have a scratch. The world cutting slash seems to be the only attack that could cut meruem, but that is only if it hits.
@@Binks129 i don't think it's ever been stated megumi was doing that in gojo vs sukuna was it? As the video also stated, meruem's body was so strong he even survived a point blank nuke. I just don't see sukuna harming him with cleaves or dismantles.
If Sukuna's Cursed Energy pool is relative to the thing he wants Cleaved, he can adjust the strength to that. Hence, he can't cut anyone beyond stronger than him using Cleave He can try with World-Dismantle tho
no it needs to be weaker then him and by a decent margin to. Gojo was relative to him and he took the constant sure hit of cleave and dismantle for a considerable amount of time.
This video was really interesting It's just a suggestion but you canalsodo gojo Vs prince (the one kurapica is after the eyes guy) or gojo Vs meruem or yuuta Vs chrolo.
Meruem vs sukuna beats sukuna ?? Meruems AP ≈ Island => Continental Uvogin attacks are stated to punch at the force of small missiles and small missiles in hxh are • Length 108.86m • Width 108.86m • Depth 18m • The volume = 213,308.9928 cubic meters • The weight of the object is 2.5 tons per cubic meter • The time taken for everything to vaporize is ≈ 0.934 seconds • Calculate Mass: Mass=213,308 m³×3000 kg/m³Mass=213,308m³ × 3000kg/m³ Mass ≈ 639,924,000 kgMass≈639,924,000kg • Calculate Energy: Energy=Mass×400,000 J/kgEnergy=Mass×400,000J/kg Energy≈639,924,000 kg×400,000 J/kgEnergy≈639,924,000kg×400,000J/kg Energy ≈2.558×10¹⁴ JoulesEnergy≈2.558×10¹⁴Joules Uvo states he holds power power and is shown to go 20% 50% and 100% Assuming the feat was 20% = 2.79×10¹⁵ Assuming the feat was 50% = 5.116×10¹⁴ Assuming it was 100% = 2.558×10¹⁴ Putting Uvogin in the large town range at 20% and small city 100% since it's 5x stronger than the large town feat And meruem is able to deal damage to himself, by taking off his arm, while a nuclear bomb (to which is ≈ 20,640,000,000x stronger than a small missle) is able to deal great damage to meruem without completely destroying his body, thus meaning there is some relativity from meruems ability to casually take off his arm and the rose bomb. Even if we assume at bare minutes meruem turned his nen off on his arm he took off (which isn't necessarily supported) nen is shown to make you 2 - 5x stronger without training, and if we make the assumption that meruem was 10% of rose bomb and taking off it arm was 4x weaker than him with nen, then pre rose meruem is still Large country to Continental As for post rose meruem, knuckle states they'll need a states military, to which includes nuclear weapons, to even contend with meruem, only after feeling his aura, not even his base durability stacked on top of the nen durability (Assuming meruem put his arm into zetsu) Assuming meruem didn't put arm into zetsu it still shows that meruem is rivaling nukes if not more powerful nukes than the rose bomb, since it's an entire military not just a single compact bomb, thus making this meruem ≈ Multi Continental • Mass (m): A typical air-to-air missile might weigh around 100 to 300 kilograms. • Speed (v): Missile speeds vary, but they can travel at supersonic speeds, ranging from 300 to 600 meters per second. KE=21×200×(450)2 12×200×202,500KE=21×200×202,500 50×202,500KE=50×202,500 10,125,000 joulesKE=10,125,000 joules = (1.0125×10^7 joules) (2.09 x 10^17 joules) ÷ (1.0125×10^7 joules) = (Energy of some of the strongest nuclear bombs, since Uvogin aims to achieve the power of nuclear bomb, its fair to assume since netero could hardly damage meruem but the rose bomb did, that it's on the FAR higher side of nuclear bombs) ÷ (the average power of a small fighter jet missile) To which we get: (2.0659×10^10)×(1.395×10^16) Calculating this multiplication gives the result. (approximately 2.8790205×10^26) to which scales to Multi Continental) Meruems speed MFTL+ => infinite speed Meruem scales relative to netero, and netero is stated to move so fast pitou has to "infinitely compress their perception of time, essentially stopping the internal flow of time" and pitou is just hardly able to pick up the movement. To which pitou was not able to move their body within the time interval of activating their attack/ ability, to netero hitting pitou, which still logically follows since pitou isn't shown to move at the speed as netero, so when pitou does an action time must be flowing normally, unlike when netero is able to move. And this is important since meruem is able to adapt to this speed and move in this compressed time, but netero is still faster than meruem, thus implying there is a hierarchy of infinite speed in hxh (which is mathematically backed up by :infinity:^:infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:^:infinity: > :infinity:) thus making meruem a low to normal echelon of infinite speed (think of it like moving an infinite distance in 10s vs in 10m) As for abilities, meruem is able to use spiritual message which moves at light speed, and covers a 200m radius, and within this meruem is able to send atomic particles that read the emotional and cognitive state of the people within it, thus meaning he can anticipate what sukuna could do and even break down of curse energy works, to which accomplished with Meruems intellect ( being capable of learning and Mastering complex phenomenon like chess and many other board games, and even nen, almost instantly when moving at normal speed, imagining him thinking that logically comprehensive at infinite speed, he'd for sure learn how domains work, how cursed abilities work, and even sukunas fighting style, and create elaborate plans to out maneuver sukuna almost perfectly as shown by his ability to break down infinite information into a finite solution to out maneuver an intellect relative to his own, being netero Essentially: - Pre rose meruem ≈ MFTL+ => infinite speed, and Large country to Continental - Post rose meruem ≈ MFTL+ => infinite speed, and Continental to Multi Continental "Infinitely compressing awareness, essentially stopping the internal sensation of time" means that pitous perception of time was at T=0 and neteros movements were hardly observable, essentially meaning netero was moving at "instant speed" which is analogous to Infinite speed, since if you move an infinite distance by any finite time (which includes 0) meaning netero is moving at infinite speed Now as for the contentions that it took place within 0.1 of the ability activation and attack, doesn't at all contradi
The wank is crazy but you go bro😂still have nothing to tank his spacetime slash and with this sort of scaling i could easily say naruto is multiversal to outer And luffy could scale boundless cause his imagination holds no bounds and is a god Hell give naruto irrelevant speed cause its stated hes faster than minato who teleports
@@greasedlightning410 I know? That's literally the whole scale We know he punches as small missiles as stated in the manga, then he showcases a large town to city level feat
That’s wank, or sukuna would scale to planetary since he was stated to be a menace to the world, implying he’s a menace to all of the world despite their nuclear arsenal.
I do not like the assumption that Heian Sukuna body makes him "stronger or faster". It does not say that anywhere in the manga... It tells you what his body gives him advantages to and NONE of them is Sukuna becomes "faster and stronger".. Incarnation simply changed the APPEARANCE of Megumi's body. Just like Kashimo's did. Just like Yorozu explained. There are only 2 advantages to that body. MORE arms for hand signs + continuing to fight at the same same or hold weapons to fight with while fighting AND another mouth for chants without hurting heart or lungs. THATS IT. There is NOTHING Sukuna has done in his Heian Era body that he couldn't do in Megumi's physically. Nothing went up. He simply got his old body back. He didnt get faster. He didnt get stronger. In chapter 237, the reason he was not dodging things was due to his body being damaged. As soon as he healed from the transformation, he was back to his normal speed.
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 It is Megumi's body... That is why Sukuna needs a VESSEL. He cannot be incarnated without a body. Yorozu even asks why he does not incarnate fully and gain his APPEARANCE back. If it was true that they got their original bodies back then Kashimo should be old... But he isn't.. They incarnate into the body they possess and gain their APPEARANCE back. Sukuna purposely halted that stage due to wanting to look like Megumi for his fight against Gojo. Without a body, Sukuna would not exist. He needed Yuji's body and now Megumi's. That is why he is fighting so hard to keep Megumi's body.. Without it, he cannot continue to be incarnated.. It isn't his body.
@@Tojiii Wrong... Sukuna was using magumi body because it give him a free heal card.. and we already seen how useful it was And if you want to compare.... Kashimo was beating maguna up without even using his ce but when sukuna transform into Hein sukuna kushino couldn't even get one hit on sukuna even after using his ce
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 Uh... Sure, if that is how you see you. But without MEGUMI'S BODY there is no incarnated Sukuna. Which is why Sukuna is fighting so hard against Yuji, Yuta, and Rika... If he loses Megumi, he loses the BODY.
bro when you have cursed energy output that put you at least above the speed of sound by multiple times the muscle size is irrelevant. @@nirbanjyotidas5828
Many people talk about letting Meruem learn cursed energy, to make things fair why not let the King of Curses learn nen. As we know from HxH, prince Tsriednich is a newbie in nen develop a dangerous ability because of his evil soul. Now imagine what kind of ability sukuna can develop, not to mention his ability to adapt and battle IQ is as good or maybe better than meruem, if sukuna learned nen he would be in short time one of the strongest nen user in history
I guess he would be a good Nen-user: Intellegence, Creativity and Drive/Desire are very clearly stated to brng you far in Nen and the Protgaonsts even illustrate this: Despite the massive Talent, Gon is legit worst Nen-user in his Friendgroup, Leoreo is better
I mean you could, but sukuna likely wouldn’t learn nearly as quickly. Sukuna notably can’t use simple domain and has to use the older less refined hollow wicker basket which takes two of his arms and one of his mouths to use, despite him seeing the technique and learning about it. Like I see sukuna mastering this stuff in like a couple of years, but nowhere near meruem’s instant mastery of Nenz
Nah, the world slash Sukuna says to be almost impossible to learn but he did pull it off with only one example and in minutes before Maho died. Sukuna didn't need to learn simple domain he had domain amplification which is superior version and he only use it (hollow whisker) so writer gives a good chance to let yuta yuji fight. Btw he uses Domain amp w his open DE at the same time. I say the stuff he can pull off with nen will be crazy
@@ivann9924 the fact he’s using HWB means he either cant use DA at proficient enough level to clash with yuta, who’s pretty strong but certainly weaker in domains then gojo who sukuna actively clashes with, or just flatly can’t. World slash is a special case since he was actually trying to learn it all fight, the whole fight was “find a way to bypass infinity” and he just got inspiration from maharaga, nothing actually suggests using world slash itself was hard (not accounting for its energy cost) its more that he never thought of using it in that way.
@@Lh0000 @Lh0000 I don't agree. Sukuna was at half power and brain damaged. Yuta and Yuji agrees if Sukuna were at full power they would be dead by now (implied to be one shot), its written in the latest chapter. Also when you say Sukuna cant use simple domain, you downplay his abilities by a lot. He just don't use it because simple domain is a bad batch against DE like in Gojo and Yuki case but hollow whisker does not get eaten by DE sure hit while DE sure hit eats simple domain. Also his proficiency of using 10 shadows. CT that is not his and applying Blood Manipulation to Elephant is a testament of mastering abilities in phenomenal rate. I personally wouldn't question sukuna abilities. Btw Sukuna domain is open domain and he can change his DE conditions how does it makes sense Yuta is better than him in domains
Honestly if you put the Phantom group, plus the group Meruem and his nights, PLUS the group that invaded Meruem’s kingdom…I feel like that’s a more accurate depiction of what JJKHS is going through with Sukuna right now 🤷🏽♂️
@@DieFourSwag I’d argue that with him just having a op rct and his cursed energy output/ reserves and I wouldn’t say tanked tanked means you take no damage whatsoever and muscle through it he has durability but I’d say not as good as people think
@@LMNTRIX45bro talking like yuta ain’t the 2nd strongest sorcerer out there who can imbued his katana with a fuck ton a CE … plus sukuna has 6 debuffs on him
@@TheWildCard2k honestly I wouldn’t put yuki’s technique as something that sukuna scales to, it’s a hax ability unique to yuki heck not even yuki scales to it, it killed her. Sukuna can’t replicate the attack, nor could he realistically tank it, so… it’s just… not arguable
TLDR: dodging is dodging there's no half dodging an attack even if you know it's coming. Spidey sense won't make you faster than the attack you see coming Y'all power scalers with channels really need to stop acting like "dodging where some one is aiming" isn't the same as dodging the attack. Infact since most instances where they're dodging the aimed attack are near point blank to medium range they would be as fast as that object is especially if that object has the same mass as the person dodging. Example If I aim a sniper at you and tell you to dodge from 60 metered as opposed to while I'm hidden 60 metered away is the same exact feat. You know the attack is coming at YOU. I think y'all often forget fight psychology is a major factor in these things as well.
Spider sense does make you faster to dodge though, it gives you advanced knowledge of the threat before you are otherwise aware of it. If you shoot at me and I've stepped back a second before you took the shot you could very easily miss vs if I had to dodge only at the time of the shot taking place. And precog or aim dodging just means you are operating with a greater time to dodge a hit, your speed doesn't go up but you are provided a greater time to execute the dodge.
Oh shit, who would win? "The king of the kaimeras" or the "King of Asspulls"? Every Sukuna fight boils down to "Can "Insert character" win against Timmy and his shield that block any attack?"
Let me guess, Gojo tard? Sukuna is simply far stronger than all his opposition. And if he was killed instantly or killed by HIGURUMA of all people, you’d still complain
There is no way that Meruem, who found out to never underestimate the value of every living being; and Sukuna, who kills everyone and everything because he wants to, are respecting each other.
He was pretty much dead ….sukuna literally face tanked a 200 percent purple which destroyed a few kilometres and lost just an arm and in the 2nd amped purple with chants and gojo having 3 blackflash and sukuna almost no CE output and RCT lost only a leg and a hand
If Mahito didnt only take damage to the soul, Pitou would destroy him no diff without him even noticing. But since he doesn’t have any soul attacking attacks, Mahito would eventually win
@@Chadius_Thundercock Well Mahito can die from normal attacks it would just take way longer because you'd have to make him exhaust all of his CE, this would be impossible for most of the cast in JJK but Pitou is an absolute monster so if anybody could actually do that it'd be Pitou or one of the other Royal Guards. If we equalize nen and cursed energy then they should all have way more than Mahito and they are stronger and faster than Mahito too so they can avoid being touched until he runs out of CE
@@Dell-ol6hball that is usefull untill mahito pulls the domain and its game over and knowing both pitou and mahito are relative in speed her punches don’t really matter knowing how difficult it is too actually fight him he will take the fight to the skys and shoot projectiles to become a rat to a gumball
Youpi thought it was unimaginable that he would fail to notice a bolt of lightning, and then got speed blitzed by Killua. So high ball should put him in the realm of like mach 1300+
@@thefarmer6541 Some do high-ball him to almost light-speed, with Killua just being vaguely somewhere way above lightning, but still not clearly above or below one way or the other.
The Flame Arrow is around City-Level OR about 40 Megatons TNT? This confuses me. I thought this was a 'whole new kind of Jujutsu Sorcery' and 'literally above' the Pinacle. My surprise about how weak this Arrow was is one thing, but i wanna ask anyway: What 'Level' are real-world Natural-Disasters and the Military's Nukes? Oh, and one last thing: Guess Broken Ronin doesnt know but thx to Killua its nonsense to say Netero is meant to be speed of sound WITH Nen: the impressive thing clearly is meant to be without Nen, otherwise the feat-statement makes 0 sense. Sorry this comment is so long but i like to talk if you have time @BrokenRonin
"The flame arrow is around city level..." Yeahhhh... that's a jjk fandom thing. Their blind when the story for the most part. I for one don't use pixel scaling or anything when scaling explosions or distance travelled or something. The fire arrow sukuna used destroyed a city block or 2. That it means its multi city block. Simple. If a character blows up a mountain or comes close to it then their mountain level, if they blow up a building no matter what calculations you use it cannot be a mountain level attack. Sorry if this long😅.
@hegreat Very strage. I mean the attack murdered Jogo Anyway, but City-Level IS 40 Metagtons, yeah? How much for all the other levels, can you make me a list if it's not too much effort?
@@slevinchannel7589 Measuring in terms of TNT. Wall level= 0.005 Tons of TNT. Small building level=0.25 Tons. Building =0.25 to 2 Tons. Large building=2 to 11 Tons. City Block= 11 to 100 Tons. Multi-city block=100 tons to 1 Kiloton. Small town= 1 to 5.8 Kiloton. Town=5.8 to 100 Kiloton. Large town=100 Kiloton to 1 Megaton. Small city =1 to 6.3 Megaton City= 6.3 to 100 Megaton. Mountain=100 Megaton to 1 Gigaton. Large mountain =1 to 4.3 Gigaton. If you want to know more you can check the VS battles wiki. Their attack potency chart in particular. I can't seem to send the link through here.
@@fuffythegreat Yeah: dont force it! RU-vid doesnt seme to like nowadays if someone tries sending links ...I still dont feel like i have a grasp on Creation-Feats OR TNT though
Is ryoumen also poisonous which is also what killed meruem? I don’t know if you mentioned it because I skipped it to the timestamp since I wanted to avoid spoilers for JJK manga
I don't think it makes sense to say that domains are a measure of how strong someone's jujustu is, rather they are a physical manifestation of how much cursed energy someone has, since they convert their cursed energy into a physical form.
Could you make a junpei full potential video. I think his poison CT is the most slept on in the verse and if he had trained he could have stomped any sorcerer without RCT
Anyone else see the inspiration for Gojo vs Sukuna in Hunter x Hunter? (Spoilers) The strongest fighters in the verse who compared themselves with the Buddha (Netero and Gojo) blow themselves up to “win” against the Kings they fought.
I think your wrong on The nature of the Dismantle That Targets the world. It DOES NOT ignore durability, it allows him to bypass defensive abilities, thus guaranteeing his slashes hit his opponent.
As a HxH fanboy, I have to ask where you got that Meurem's En was at the speed of light? It looks like light, it appears as light. That doesn't make it light speed.
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2oxJust looked, nothing. Transmuting your aura doesn't bypass scaling. Feitan transmuted a sun, but that doesn't make it as hot as the sun. Just as Hisoka's transmuted aura is more elastic and adhesive than the things he is mimicking. An example of this would be two identical tansmuters transmuting their aura, one to lava, one to fire. Which is hotter? Neither, they are tied. Because the scale of what you immulate obviously doesn't affect the outcome of your attempt.
Even tho meruem can't win due to hacks and ability gap but he is on par with sukuna's combat stath's is just impressive. Only if the mind blowingly strongcl character with unlimited potiential had one or two years to grow (Meruem doesn't have that much interest in power even tho he has the potential to grow much bigger than what he was) he would've been unstoppable and can even beat the King of curses who has hundred years of experience.
I said it once and I will say it again: Meruem never EVER fought seriously and never developed his own unique nen-ability. Gon in a month went from being average hunter to being a top class hunter just because of his emotions and how emotional state boosts nen. If Meruem gets pushed or even threatened with death, then he would instantly grow in power beyond what Sukuna could ever achieve. Only way for Sukuna to win is to take out Meruem with a surprise attack at the start of the battle. But if he fights just like he is fighting now - Meruem will win hands down.
I think two important things to note is that meruem could potentially copy the properties of sukuna's CE on consumption, on top of that, his Ren could be used as a poor man's infinity
meruem literally speed blitzes sukuna. His en is lierally light speed bcuz he ravels in photons. Not to mention meruem's insane potential to grow and acquire more nen abilities. He was the strongest person in the world after only 40 days of living and literally survived an atomic bomb and regenerated after it. The only reason meruem died is because of the disease carried by the bomb. The only case sukuna has for him winning is world dismantle and gege plot armor. The sukuna glazing has to stop.
Meruem post-rose likely can regenerate limbs, since he has Youpi's body manipulation abilities. Also, yhe post-rose attack output I imagine is WAY stronger than you're letting on since, once again, that was based on Youpi's nen, which strengthens as he gets angrier. Meruem fired that blast while not angry whatsoever, it likely would have had a huge boost should he actually been angry post-rose. Finally, post-rose Meruem has a ton of additional Hax from Pouf's nen abilities, including emotinaol manipulation, body splitting, and hallucination abilities. Also, scaling Meruem to Netero's speed has one flaw, the distance traveled, it took as much time for the Netero to clap as it took for Meruem to get knocked back, recover, and then rebound for an attack. He may have never seen anything move as fast as Netero but to him up to that point hes basically only seen fodder compared to him, but likely his speed after exerting himself tops that of Netero pre-rose, and we can expect a big boost to that post-rose likely over mach-200. I think Sukuna beats pre-rose meruem mid-diff but I do not see a world where Sukuna wins without ass-pulls post-rose. Meruem is too durable, fast and smart.
