Kosem was great woman. But things changed her. She was alone. Ahmed her husband died when she was rlly young. It damaged her.. she was really nice when she was young. I rlly loved her. 💗🙁
True and osman's and mehmed's m*rders made her cruel. Her revenge was brutal. I completly understand her but if a person takes revenge and becomes brutal he/she doesn't hesitate to k*ll not only guilty but even innocent people. For Murad and Kösem there was no turning back from cruelty and revenge.
She didn’t chose the throne over her son As mother everybody knows she loved murad But as a leader she wouldn’t hesitate to chose they right side for protection of the state even if it mean a cruel and a lost son..
his death breaks my heart again and again... and I hate Kosem for what she did to him. Don’t you dare justify her, she has no excuse! she killed his closest people! she set Kasym up for his throne! she tried to overthrow him! she wanted to make a puppet out of him! She poisoned him for months without allowing him to recover! and even then she managed to show her arrogance and say that he was a vile traitor! she cannot be called a mother. Murad even then continued to love her and even died in the arms of an angel in the guise of his mother, this makes me so sad... she did not appreciate the one who loved her so much. he did not deserve all the pain he experienced.. I love him so much . and I will always love him. Aşkım . Sultanım.❤ (I’m talking specifically about the series, as the author, not about the real story)
Yo the writers did her dirty, in real life, Murad was fierce ruler but in the end due to his alcoholism, he became brutal and mad killing a lot of innocent mostly for “pleasure”, he died from cirrhosis of the liver, I read a lot of articles and documents about his deed 🤢, the show only portray his anger. Also Ibrahim in real life did the same and more atrocities that his brother, but I don’t think it was his fault he was made madman
@@JennietzaYeah Murad wasn’t a good person. They just did his relationship with Kosem dirty. Irl she didn’t cling to power like this and did hand the regency over to him when the time came. They were always on good terms. And Farya is a fake character created to stir up drama. There is no way the Ottoman Empire at this size would have allowed a foreign princess of a sovereign nation into the Harem as a concubine of the Sultan. When the Harem was created, commoners and the occasional noblewoman under Ottoman rule were chosen for a reason: to avoid foreign powers from interfering with the succession. (When I say noblewomen I mean the ones from foreign territories beholden to the Ottoman state. I think Hafsa was one of them).
He wasn't cruel and Sultan Murad was one of the greatest Sultan of the history and even in drama. But she did choose power over her son and she tried to do the same with her grandson.
@@hinakaramat3993 actually I had read history and the rebellion has started before Murat took charge of his throne. As janissaries started to become opinionated and blackmailing mafia but Kosem further enabled them just to keep peace but Murat didn't. That's the major reason that rebellion and he wasn't cruel but not had a softened heart either or guts to make compromises so a lot of people think him as cruel. Also he executed his brothers and uncle because he knew that Enemies would take advantage of them although it was unfair & took strict measures against alcoholic people & sellers so a lot of people think of him as cruel
@@syrajatt6141 Those rebellions were led before murad succesion to throne. After his death his body was taken for final measures and was discovered that his heart and stomach were dark black which after results were proved that it was due to overdrinking after investigation it was proved that he was drinking in private. Murad pash, Orhan pasha Mahmud pasha used to hate him they wanted to control İbrahim but he wasn't out of his mother shadow. So they started a rebellion gathered important people who murad punished for their drinking and overtaking of taxes they tried to take kosem down but janissaries were at her side so three of them were killed catholic priests were given continuously amount of money by kosem so they stopped objecting. Famous Turkish philosopher, historian who wrote three books on kosem and hated the show said himself that kosem would never ever killed murad he was the only son of her who was allowing her to have so much influence killing him would be a big mistake. She even tried to stop İbrahim execution but was unable to as action had already bee taken she later on killed some of those who were responsible for İbrahim's death who were also her loyalist which led her other loyalist to take side of Turhan. Turhan was the one who said that kosem wants to kill Mehmet while there was no valid proves. And yes murad banned alot of wine production killed alot of people for this but it was proved that he drank in secret. He was stupid for this because there was a numder of population who was catholic and used wine as their religious act . He was truly admirable for his conquest but wasn't as far impressive for his political affairs and policies. So where did you read that kosem killed murad tell me brother.
@@syrajatt6141 lol that was before his succession . I'm talking about rebellion after his death . And btw after his death his body was taken for final measures and was discovered that his heart and stomach were dark black which after results were proved that it was due to overdrinking after investigation it was confirmed he used to drink in private. He though banned wine and brothels but kept concubines for himself . Mehmet pasha ,Mahmud pasha, Orhan pasha used to hate him ao after his death they wanted to control İbrahim but he wasn't out of his mother's shadow. They started a rebellion gathered important people who murad punished for wine and overconsumption of taxes and some catholic priests because murad was fool enough to banned the wine without caring that a good number of population of was catholic and used wine for their religious purpose. His conquest was impressive and his intelligence in battlefield but his political affairs weren't. Yes wanted the best for empire but he didn't knew how to execute plans. Famous Turkish philosopher,historian who wrote three books on kosem and hated the show said that she would never ever kill murad he was the only one allowing her to have so much influence on the empire so killing him would be a mistake. She also tried to stop execution of İbrahim but wasn't able to do so cuz that would inrage janissaries. But she did killed alot of people who were responsible for İbrahim's death , those people were also her loyalist which led her other loyalist to take side of Turhan, while there was no valid proves that kosem wanted to kill Mehmet cuz killing sultan wasn't that easy and being powerful doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. I don't know where you got that information brother that kosem killed murad when he was her favorite son things aren't that easy that you're son isn't listening to you can kill him without being unnoticed especially. Kosem was killed because Turhan was continuously lying that kosem wanted to kill sultan if she had killed murad that would be her direct downfall.
In reality he was the most brutal and cruel sultan of ottoman empire because he saw a lot of shit with his eyes as a kid and he became so cruel that Kosem had to kill him
@@Ayesha_Muqaddasbut historically people say that kosem was will loved by the people, so I believe their was something good about her that why she remained in power for so long, it was not common for women to held so much power back then
she did poisoned him, don't speak about stuff you don't know about just because you like her character does not mean the truth will be same as your expectation, just do some research you will find it
@@DarellbefreeI believe that the circumstances in which he grew up were a clear reason for his excessive cruelty, such as the killing of Sultan Othman, but this does not prevent him from having many achievements, because of which they call him the second founder of the state.
In my opinion, kosem sultan was a kind woman before but as time passes, she become selfish and cruel for throne that she didn’t even hesitate to kill his own sons Murat and Ibrahim
If you have watched all series then must have realized that Ibrahim was considered as mad king he was taking such descions that were harming the ottoman empire
Murad was a cruel sultan literally sometimes killing people for no reason at all, was drunkard and died of liver cirrhosis. Hosem didn't kill him in real life. Ibrahim was a mad sultan, was lustful and wasting National treasures , bribery was common in his reign , system was collapsing, people demanded his death, their was a lot of pressure of even ottoman sultanate collapse. All the end , she was forced to agree. Kosem wasn't cruel but so much emotional pain make her numb i think at the end, i think she became a shell herself. Her kids failed her , all of them was faulty one way or the other.
Murad absolutely was cruel if u read the real history, they don't show it in the show but he caged all his brothers, didn't allow them any social interaction and slowly slaughtered them sparing only Ibrahim who became mentally ill from this treatment, becuz of that Ibrahim absolutely wrecked everything, he was so unfit to be king he inc taxes on everyone including the poor, he killed 280 of his concubines and r@ped the daughter of the grand mufti, which led to ibrahims demise. In reality kosem didn kill murad, its only in the show, murad died of liver cirrhosis if anything kosem stepped back during his reign and was his advisor. Maybe pick up a book one day, u all brainrots really need actual historical knowledge. U all are just male apologists, u think kosem dethroning a tyrant king like Ibrahim is cru3l and not necessary but u think murad killing his brothers and absolutely torturing them to mental illness is necessary even tho it almost destabilized the whole empire when Ibrahim became king becuz it helps him stay in power. The double standards and hypocrisy are wild. Just simply say it u hate women in power, that's why u all are finding excuses becuz the kings were 10 times more cruel, fratricide wasn't necessary becuz osman the first and some of his descendants ruled with their brothers, it wasn't until men became incredibly greedy for power.
People who didn't understand kosem needs to watch again she wasn't cruel as a human and a great leader check the facts. The very first fact that she cursed her self in order to safe sultan Ahmed she had seen everyones death she couldn't protect them helplessness pain sorrow loneliness. Her heart become black fighting for long at the end 2 things remained for her danasty and power. Because she doesn't wanted to be helpless again. Sadly she lost her sense of love innocence And feelings. But she was kind loving innocent soul. No one wants to be cruel rude feelingless.
You are wrong,, according to drama she poisoned him before that due to which he decided that,, but indeed,, that is a fiction too,,, Murad was a great sultan ❤
Un sacré Duo de mère&fils, qui rivalisaient, de pouvoir, or le pouvoir est mauvais, si on en use, avec force et tyrannie, pour Mourad, il etait rude et stricte, et voulait que l'empire de ses braves ancetres tiennent, sans sombrer, face aux ennemis, quant à Kossem, elle voulait imposer aussi, sa façon politique, de gérer l'empire, pour éviter que son fils ne prenne, des décisions compromettantes, et ne pas avoir une fin tragique, comme celui de son frère Osman2, mais au final, c'est elle qui avait, mal terminé, horriblement ! Voilà, les dangers d'excès d'usage de pouvoir, une sultane qui avait bien débuté heroiquement, en sauvant, l'empire, mais hélas, mal terminé !
Stop misguiding people Kosem Sultan loved Murad in real life she was worried sick for him.... She never chose throne or power over her son IRL Murad died of some disease
She loved her son but Murad was going to end the Dynasty with his decisions so as the Queen Mother, she had to make those decisions and also because the survival of state was bigger than the survival of people
murad absolutely was cruel if u read the real history, they don't show it in the show but he caged all his brothers, didn't allow them any social interaction and slowly slaughtered them sparing only Ibrahim who became mentally ill from this treatment, becuz of that Ibrahim absolutely wrecked everything, he was so unfit to be king he inc taxes on everyone including the poor, he killed 280 of his concubines and r@ped the daughter of the grand mufti, which led to ibrahims demise. In reality kosem didn kill murad, its only in the show, murad died of liver cirrhosis if anything kosem stepped back during his reign and was his advisor. Maybe pick up a book one day, u all brainrots really need actual historical knowledge. U all are just male apologists, u think kosem dethroning a tyrant king like Ibrahim is cru3l and not necessary but u think murad killing his brothers and absolutely torturing them to mental illness is necessary even tho it almost destabilized the whole empire when Ibrahim became king becuz it helps him stay in power. The double standards and hypocrisy are wild. Just simply say it u hate women in power, that's why u all are finding excuses becuz the kings were 10 times more cruel, fratricide wasn't necessary becuz osman the first and some of his descendants ruled with their brothers, it wasn't until men became incredibly greedy for power.
It's because that everyone around her was cruel and she always fought with them and she wasn't cruel she was broken if you watch all of them you understand.
No you’re wrong, kosem killed him just for the power and throne. She even killed fariya Murat’ wife just because he listened to her more but not his mother.
basically her son (Murad) became sultan when he was a child so he couldn’t rule, Kosem ruled for her son as regent, when Murad came of age he tried to take his power back but Kosem didn’t want to share her power. When Murad began to disobey Kosem, she poisoned him and put her other son (Ibrahim) on the throne
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