Summit1g Finds Out WINNERS CHEATED in $35,000 Sea of Thieves Tournament! 

that sounds sus to me it sounds like he new there was some stream snipping going on and wanted to try and hide it.....you know they are in those discords and has them open

Did twitch ban them yet? Pretty sure twitch can ban all cheating streamers for sniping.

They didn't hide it though, they talked about it openly on their streams the days prior because the organizers weren't clear

Did they get in trouble or the win reversed?

@@ricape7160 your life isn’t clear it’s dark you can barley see join these guys behind the burning gates

It's poetic though. A pirate's life for thee

You're right, that's the real shame of it. The bright side, it seems you and other SoT content creators are in unison about their feelings towards this... so hopefully this is just a set back, and you all have more and better opportunities in the future.

PIRATES APPARENTLY DONT CHEAT.

Hopefully gamers know how to see through the rotten apples that these were, and not judge the whole game and community for it. I agree with how unique this opportunity was and how utterly disgusting this attempted devastation of it was. Again I have hopes in the general gaming community and that this will get ticked of as a "bad luck, I 100% hope there will be more of these tourneys - Go SoT!"

I will tell my grandchildren of this tale

kinda sad really!

@[REDACTED] but if your smurf you dont have a high rank your comment dosnt make sense

@@r00kiet80 typically they brag about their mains' rank on their smurfs

lol well said

@@gordonb05 Also typically anyone who brags about having a high rank ranking/smurfing are probably lying to just piss people off or seem "cool". I know of high rank players in pretty much every competitive game and even have been high rank in a few. Never have i or any of them bragged about being high rank and pretty much all high rank players do have smurfs, but they also don't brag about smurfing. In fact pretty much everyone including myself say we feel bad about smurfing or say its not even fun, but generally we smurf so that we can play with lower ranked friends, because it is kind of shitty to try to make people be alone just because they are good in a video game...

And just like the Astros their win is illegitimate and any players on their team will forever be labeled as cheaters, no matter how good they are.

@@muscacholi not a fan of the astros but every team cheats, they just got caught.

If it's really this serious, then maybe just don't stream. If Summit thinks the difference between him winning and not winning is the info, he shouldn't stream. There is 35 k involved. Not everyone is rich. I would use every tool to my advantage as well if I could.

@@jakerandal3337 People can also just not cheat.

you combine that with the fact that the info they got was from a caster, and the recieved the easiest card to do, and yet they barely managed to win... how rigged can a game be and almost lose it, idk how is this not being investigated... this is Fraude

@@Kaozed caster in this case was the streamer in question not the tournament caster.

@@jakerandal3337 that's why they got caught people like you think you're fcking slick their plenty of other streamers involved that aren't rich like summit 2.so you think that fair.so you're just a pos cheater.

Really? Damn I heard most of them spent the money already lol

sucks to cheat lool

Source?

@@Toomsie phuzzy´s discourd announcement channel. but without the smiley :D

Boom tv again.!

getting new streaming identities 🤣

@@dingothe1st572 😂

I mean excluding the fact that stream sniping is against twitch tos and even a big streamer like xqc has been banned for it, who knows whats gonna happen to these guys, get what they deserve i hope

gains should be taken from them and legit investigate what happen because in my eyes this is fraud, it is clearly rigged for them to win the tournament, by giving special information to them only them, and they got the easiest card out of all the teams... and for them to be this cocky and donating POV of what they were told, this clearly tells you what shitty people they are, or at least that guy...

At 8:07 Nivdot (one of the members of the winning team) donated. Just checked his twitch, he's deleted the vod. He's the only one on the winning team who has deleted their vod, guess he wanted to delete the evidence. Everyone else on the team has just continued as normal

Lol they deleted the vods tho.

That's what I've been saying for years about these gaming tournaments. Player's that cheat in tournaments with a cash prize should be charged with a crime. These tournament organizers need to hold these people accountable and to a higher standard bc it ruins the gaming community and the ability to hold a fair and credible tournament.

@@refugeehugsforfree4151 Blurbs still has his up ...

@@refugeehugsforfree4151 if you think deleting a vod protects you or that its actually gone XD the internet is forever. Twitch also keeps vods saved for a while after they are deleted.

nah, it's sea of THIEVES dude, they did what thieves do... y'all always using that as an argument for all the shit you do to each other in SOT and suddenly you drop it when it no longer suits you. Hypocrite sobs.

For real. This was a big event for SOT. These players put a stain on what should have been an amazing event. I hope they are stripped of the win and banned from the next tournament

@@mrstabsz5271 that would be great bast case scenario, I say run it back those cheaters will get dumped on I'd love to see that lol.

i hope they spend that 8k wisely that tourney is the peak of there lives its all down hill from here for them

@@markjoke3069 YEAH CHEATING LOOKS REALLY BAD ON YOUR RECORD! XQC IS STILL LIVING DOWN THE BEAN GAME ....

@@markjoke3069 HARD EYE ROLL bro. You just copied another comments words lol.

The whole problem is that its a tournament (by default the assumption is stream sniping is barred) but everyone is on 0 delay (stated by organiser) so the question asked on whether snipers were going to be problem had to do with people popping in and out of chat. However the wording on both ends were kind of vague (the organiser most likely thought its w/e if some rando leaks something in chat) but because the player wasnt specific and still got the green light (i'm unsure if they had malicious intent or are just wilfully ignorant) they threw some thrusters on the chat hoppers and set them free. To bring it back 2 what u were talking about, the expectation is sniping isnt allowed but because of limitations of spectating it would probably b a problem. When the organiser was asked a clarifying question regarding the workaround for spectating - the understanding was most likely: since the expectation of stream delay in a tourney is unattainable there wont be repercussions for bad actors in the chats - but the players twisted this reasoning to fit their extreme.

Seems like they just have this guy in chat to make it seem like “oh they said it’s okay” also why would you instantly trust chat on something so big? It’s obviously them trying to cheat and they had to have been told.

but it adds another element to the tournament 🤓☝️

Nah like sum said they took the ez win because it was cake sitting right in front of them. they chose to be slimy worms than to play fair.

Donation at 8:07 was one of the cheaters. He deleted his vod, its an obvious admission of guilt. He also donated at 11:58 under a slightly changed name

@@pineapple6350 yeah he had some nerve coming into sums donos like that what a dick. But im sure summit won't let it linger in his mental too long the guy was made so much money what's 35k to him? Prob not too much.

They literally said they thought other teams knew the info. The organisers failed to tell everyone the rules, but its being taken out on the streamers who got lucky. All kinda WEIRD.

Fair that’s way better

Not only the Doc and Summit see a couple thousand dollars as pocket change. If you live in a first world country and pay your own bills, you know its not much.

@@Habib_Osman it may not be a life changing amount but 8k in one day is a significant amount to everyone thats not in the top 10% and particularly small streamers and stuff that can use that to supplement there income and it takes a ton of stress off.

@@nevarbgames2012 The aussies did cheat though.. no question about that. The Sea of thieves devs can't let this pass.

@@nevarbgames2012 and they made 8k as a team. They would need to split it.

@@Habib_Osman Thats after split it was a 35k Total Prizepool tourney why would the winning team only get 8k

hard agree

yeah organisers are as much to blame tbh

Hard to say some people want Privacy and not their Messages open to the Public @@MrUnderlord666 but yes this is a Rule the Organisers should have asked how the other person sees this rule and have proof of the other person.

You'd think rules regarding chat usage would already be known across the board at the announcement of the tourny, not the day of lmao. Seems both sides are at fault, one side just too advantage of the situation

Were they themselves ghosting? If they were watching other streamers then you have a deathblow of a point there. They would have seen that the others clearly weren't cheating. If they weren't directly ghosting (which I don't know why they wouldn't since they seem to have interpreted it as ghosting itself being allowed but whatever) then it makes a bit more sense. Like why would chat ghost for them and be like, "Hey why aren't those other streamers cheating like you guys?" They want their favorite streamer to win and are just helping them, they wouldn't bring that up.

@@ickyfist it seems like it may have been a bit of both as there team was sharing other peoples bingo cards and sails meaning they either clicked links from chat or took there own screen shots directly from others streams. honestly sad that only one team got the stream snipe info and everyone else was left to assume shit.

I think it's pretty clear muuuultiple times bigger communities weren't doing the same if those guys won. They should see it in the middle of the game by other people not expecting their every move

@@ickyfist i mean twitch mods should know not like staff but mods for the streamer they 1000% must have known that all the people they were watching had no info and were not doing it

They all knew what they were doing.

35k = 3k after taxes?🤣 uhhh what

@@jonnyg7960 35k per team, it was 3k per person after taxes

@@fort809 how do taxes take that much?

@@fort809 taxes out of 35k would leave you with about 25k about 6k a person.

Considering they're 4 man teams they probably got like 7K a piece after taxes if they even took taxes out. 😅​@@jonnyg7960

Rip the 35 grand

@@bearmanroar7117 doubt Sumsum is sweating over the prizemoney, its about the cheating being present

@I steal NFT's Idk but I don’t think it was a lan tournament where player play across each other. From the one live stream I watched it seemed like it was a server ppl joined from home. So it was just like hopping into a normal game on your own pc

dude, it's sea of THIEVES,.. so it's ok to steal money thru cheating... they acted like true pirates.

Yeah I hope they do the right thing as well and not give brain dead vague answers when someone asked them something important. The answer they gave to that question was just plain stupid.

yea its just damage control from people that didn't expect to be apprehended

They didn't break any rules

@@captainbuzzkill4658 yes they did and they will be banned by Twitch

Differnece

@@kiritimatiswan1986 Wow... i mixed two letters up. Thank you for pointing that out! I'm sure it was very important to you that i noticed your fix and that i made sure to give you the attention you so need for it. Here you go. Here is that attention. You run along now and rejoin your internet grammar nazi herd.

@@captainbuzzkill4658 are you slow? Do you know what breaking the rules mean?

That's how I feel about every game. Cheaters ruin it for the legit players, and once legit players are gone, game is dead. Cheaters kill games, communities, and often themselves.

Pretty sure that was just a meme donation. I dont think the kid would be that game to send something so that every one can see he would just get ripped on

@@cynoptic9757 maybe but if it is actually them then that’s just sad

@@cynoptic9757 no, that was the twitch account of one of the cheaters that donated

They sure spent that money real fast. Nobody is going to take a cheater’s pocket change. These people are disgusting and I hope they get what’s coming to them.

@Lulitha Night not everyone gave the money back

100%

All they can do is make the tournament again... for best neutral take.

The cheaters need to donate the winnings to a charity themselves with proof. They should also donate a significant portion of their own funds as an apology. They didn't just ruin the other participant's chance at the winnings. Since it is a competitive spectator event, they ruined the experience for viewers by damaging the competitive integrity of the event. tournament organizer's can't be expected to do anything else at this point outside of making statements unless they're still in possession of the prize pool. But if they are, yeah, donate it to charity instead of giving it to cheaters then ask the cheaters to also donate.

@@somersault1123 your asking cheaters to do something nice and respectful? good luck

@@somersault1123 one of the cheaters legit said I have 2k left of my winnings 😂they probs all already spent it

yes but i disagree with summit it sounded like a pretty clear green light to me to go ahead and ghost as much as you want

@@frankzander6234 Even if they explicitly said, yeah go snipe and set up a disc group for it then everybody shouldve gotten just as clear of a message. And If the admins DO actually mean that its okay then they should be the ones catching shit for ruining the tournament by both allowing streamsniping which is an incredibly dumb thing to have in a tournament and not letting every team know. Either way its complete bullshit.

@@rainers535 I agree. I just don’t realy blame the team that abused it yes it’s not the right choice but it also isn’t a wrong one

@@rainers535 Yeah well it's not the teams fault is it then? The organizers are just shit and don't know how to setup a tournament with clear rules.

@@frankzander6234 it’s wrong and you probably would do the same thing so your defensive is all lol

i think they knew everyone else wasn't doing it.

you can still see this guy flotsams vod from 3 days ago. its 4 hours long and at the 1 hour 10 min 45 second mark you see they lost one of their squares because they tried to get around literally one of their easiest squares. instead of doing an action they tried to loop hole it. another point at 1:38:05 literal info sourcing

@@iKSmurf Look up the definition of fraud. It wasn't fraud. They didn't share the information that the organizers gave them with other teams, sure, but they didn't straight up lie. It wasn't illegal because the organizers said, "Eh fuck it, sure you can do this thing," and their team took that and ran with it. As I said, it was unethical and immoral and ruined the integrity of the competition, but they didn't break any rules.

No no... it was/is 💯 illegal, and breaks Twitch's own Terms of Service, "Cheating in Online Games Any activity, such as cheating, hacking, botting, or tampering, that gives the account owner an unfair advantage in an online multiplayer game, is prohibited. This also includes exploiting another broadcaster’s live broadcast in order to harass them in-game, such as stream sniping." Now... Let's look into the illegal Fraud part, shall we? 😉 While the exact wording of fraud laws varies, the main elements usually are: a purposeful misrepresentation of an important ("material") fact; with knowledge that it is false; to a victim who justifiably relies on the misrepresentation; and who suffers actual loss as a result. That group misrepresented their material fact, i.e make their own interpretation of the rules, which is just SIMPLE and Standard Knowledge about stream sniping on Twitch alone/Morals as a human, THEN to the Victim/Summit who didn't know that there was any change in the basics of a tourney like no stream sniping, etc, and he did suffer a loss from it. You can't put it on the tourney people cause its an unspoken rule, don't look at the other guys hand while playing poker, don't bring in cameras to etc etc etc... They messed up, plain and simple....

Nivdot (one of the members of the winning team) donated at 8:07 defending himself, but he's also deleted the twitch vod which is an admission of guilt

The dono at 17:20 talking about the money was a person from Summit's chat poking fun at the cheater, not from the actual guy himself. regardless, what he did during that tournament what ratty af and I hope he's blacklisted from future SoT events.

@@myftix Ah I see now the name is NivNot lol, and true either way he was ratty

So they stole in a game called Sea of Thieves? 😆 Hey Summit... Cope!

@@captainbuzzkill4658 no they stole real life money doing acts recognized almost unanimously as immoral and scummy and claim innocence on bs technicalities. Summit doesn’t need the money but it’s more about integrity of streamers and the event. But true copium

i see you here too. did summit bring you to NP and CG or just summit viewer?

@@dogeknight8550 wtf? Why would this random dude be in np and cg?

@@Ledbottom86 my bad I didn't put my word correctly. What I mean was, this guy commented on almost every clip about CG. Not in a bad way tho. Im just curious did summit introduce him/her to NP. Cos that's where I came from.

And even IF it was all allowed, the admins shouldve let everyone know VERY clearly. In either case, its complete bullshit, no other way around it.

People will do anything if money is involved its happened many many times and always will

Team must've needed the money so bad they ruined their stream careers and reputations. It's about integrity, and they took advantage of an unspoken, yet official, rule in tournaments. Hope they get buried. Better yet, hope there was some fine print clause for the participants that if cheating is found after the fact, they're legally obliged to give the money back. Obviously sum doesn't need the 8k, or even Doc, but who knows what position everyone else is in who actually played fair?

@@casino_bandit1490 Yeah DOC and Summit have made more money than those idiots ever will.

the sad thing is too, they could have had good careers as streamers and make way more money than what the single tournament was offering.. streamers are Rich AF. but they all destroyed their careers and integrity.

Stream sniping is explicitly against Twitch's TOS

I absolutely agree

exactly like how hard would it have been to add that to the rules on the streamers request like it isnt that hard to do no? then it would have been clear like this its more like a go ahead we dont care

ye everyone ruins everything, because they can't hold honor.

Summit is so chill. The only reason he was upset by this was because of the 35k prize money. I've seen him accidentally get a stream sniper banned in RUST and feel bad about it. Like you said, Summit is very professional

Sadly cheating is so rampant any time someone can get away with it in gaming. I remember doing a Counter-Strike lan tournament as a teenager (Literally everyone playing in a warehouse together) and we still had to deal with cheaters (screen watchers who were reporting player positions) Funny thing is we still beat that team lol.

Lmao. It’s not that deep. Ban the cheaters from any future tournaments. That’s it. No need to witch hunt and try to turn back time so your streamers can win.

No, people seem to think that because XQC got banned. It is against Twitch Rivals tournment code which is why XQC got banned but this wasn't a twitch rivals tournmnet. Twitch TOS does have a rule about cheating in online tournaments gaining an unfair advantage, most tournmnets it is cheating to stream snipe so would be bankable but according to the admins of this tournament its not cheating so likely won't get banned.

I should read the tos next time I go to my pc

can't you link the dots? organizers gave them more information about it, they also got the easier card, and they cheated by getting streamsnipers info about the other crews cards, wereabouts etc... like please... rigged af

@@Kaozed Pace and Summit aren't viewed very favorable in the SoT community because the way they play is apparently "Toxic". RARE probably did everything they could to see that they didn't win.

@@EliteProductions3129 Lol Summit put SOT on the map, the games dead until he streams it.

putting their chats in emote only mode would not of stopped them cheating in discord. but mkay

@@jre4961 Yeah well imagine being a tournament organizers and not giving clear rules and just saying whatever

Legit all 4 of these players are streamers on Twitch and one has 11k subs on Twitch. They don't need the money

@@ryanbooth8173 it will be interesting to see how that changes

Leave us alone we are born like that

this is the biggest offending issue. How can you not feel weird about doing this?

It’s 35k between 4 ppl Thts ez like 8k

In a week 99% of people will never hear or think about this incident again. I don't like what AussieAntics did but that doesn't mean there will be any significant backlash or other consequences for them. Most often crime pays!

@@user-fv9oe7zr6s its 35k for like the top 3 or 4 teams, the first place team only got like 8 or 9k for all 4. So like $2400 each

@@gcjenks3689 rippp not worth cheating

Let's be real. If they can hold off on the avocado toast and skip the coffee a few days a week, they'll be able to retire with this money and be very comfortable.

no rules against it. like they even asked if rules could be implemented but they were denied its hardly cheating if the organizers give the green light

Well, Twitch can do the right thing.

They were fishing for an exploit, they knew what they were doing. All that shit they did takes planning and organization. There's a vast difference between glancing at chat and setting up a dedicated stream sniping discord

Wouldn't matter. They were dumping the info into a discord channel

@@KazperTehOne yeah but then at least it would be obviously illegal. I watch a decent bit of pro apex and they do a 5 or 10 minute delay which also works really well.

and at that point i'd bet that this scummy team would take to their communities discord. its bs to the other teams honestly.

cringe and the weaselly little rat donates and says kappa i hope the org either bans or goes after the money

@@degz1s summit said that part abnout control

The SOT community is just rotten anyways. People use their viewers as server hoppers to go target people all the time. They have no shame in using their views for their own game.

@@fourthpanda 100%. Many Sot streamers use their discord communities to server snipe. People will hop around servers for them while they are sinking ships on other servers, find a good server with ships full of loot, solo stock a gally, and hold the spot for for their streamer on the server until they are done. The streamer and his crew will then join the server, sink the ships, sell the loot, then move on the the next spot held for them by someone else. I’ve actually fallen victim to this. I don’t mind fighting really good players and losing loot, but at least find your own server and stock your own damn ship dudes…

@@ALargeBasket Yep exactly this. Me too. I don't get how that kinda shit flies in that community.

they also got the easiest card bruh so... i think it was rigged and hope this goes somewhere

By caster I think Summ1t ment the streamer he thought was sus

The worst part is everyone taking it out on the streamers when the literal organiser was saying its fine. They did what they were directly told was alright to do. But Sum is too afraid to blame the organiser (when its clearly their fault for not telling everyone the same thing) and not get invited again, kinda fucked up morals from Summit tbh..

@@melris6655 there is a vast, chasm of difference between looking at chat and setting up a dedicated stream sniping discord. They were ready to go, specifically fishing for loopholes to exploit.

@@melris6655 I thought eveyone knew that Summit is a liar. Of course he mobilizes his fanatic fanbase to harass streamers when they did nothing wrong.

That happens with anything as long as money involved.

What are you talking about it’s a 35,000 dollar grand prize you clown. It’s not a super fun chill tourney when you can buy a car if you win

@@bearmanroar7117 Yeah like is this guy Jeff Bezos or something that he thinks 35k isn't a lot of money to win

you do realize nobody asked admins/organizers about discord battalion squadron intel collection teams, all that was asked of them was, hey can we use chat if we see something? and they said yes, same with the confirming tweet. Nobody mentioned discord army collecting every nook and cranny from the whole globe just for one group.

No, the organizers are not. No one is so stupid as to assume this was ok. The reason it happened was because these baboons who "won" were purely seeking loopholes like a bunch of children. It's literally being a child in school and pointing out rules and saying "hey this doesn't say this" verbatim.

@@JBeyondis I'm mostly talking about the fact that the cheaters have spoken with admins about it after the fact and nothing has happened. You'd think a matter such as cheating in a money tournament would be investigated, but from the screenshots summit was looking at, it seems like the admins are siding with the cheaters on the decision, no?

@@casino_bandit1490 That's how law works mate and that's how the real world works. That's how the rich stay rich and don't pay tax because of such loopholes. The best lawyers in the world are those who use those loopholes to their advantage. Don't blame the player blame the game.

IMO they're 100% at fault here