Sunak and Starmer's first head-to-head, and Nigel Farage gets milkshaked | Podcast #61 

Agreed, had to skip ahead because I hated that shit so much.

Truly the antithesis of ASMR.

Set of pricks!

Are you sure? You seem a bit indecisive

There is a thin line between "ASMR Gold" and "the cause for the Sound Technicians suicide".

More Oil Gud!

Just Stop Oli

Haha hello fellow sensory sensitive people 👋

I think we should keep covering him in milkshakes so he evolves, like a pokemon, to his form of Nigel Fromage. Then he can f*ck of to Germany with his estranged wife and work his way across the border to France to meet his cheese brethren

THANK YOU.

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Honestly, audio poison, and from the energy you'd think the guys are on weed.

@@alexharrison2743 'on weed' lmao

Who is winning so far in this election coverage?

All politicians are in it for the money.... None of them should be paid. Said some idiot, sometime.

He's not even CEO that's still Richard Tice, he's just cucking the CEO

That is Richard Tice

@@Native_Man123 No Tyce is the bottom, Farage is the top lol

I think I agree- the very real and much more significant violence policies and chatter of an asshat like Farage do are incomparable.

I skipped through every clip of the debate played because there's no point in listening to two liars talk

@@El-Burrito Ha, I thought you meant when you were actually watching the debate - "so boring I just skipped to the next ad break"

This. I've never been more connected with and impacted by greater a range of sectors than when I was at school and university. Once you get a job and start settling down, without as much time to socialise/try out new things (if you're working or middle class, where you don't have the luxury of working less than full time or paying for cleaners/meal preppers/childminders), you have a smaller bubble and don't see the impact of things like teaching provision. I think that when it comes to election promises, the candidates should be legally required to submit themselves/their family to their promise, regardless of whether they win or not, as a testament to how much they believe it's the right thing to do. Would reduce the number of flippant, hollow pledges being made to scrape votes from the bottom of the barrel, if those pledges came with consequences

Was that before or after he rented his California seafront place for $20k a month?

I could be misremembering, but the language used: "got the keys to my first flat" Careful to not say if it was rented, mortgaged or bought outright, when he moved out did he keep it to let/second home, was it in London and worth a couple of million...? I borrowed to afford the deposit for a shared ownership house after being evicted from rental, and I get to enjoy a fraction of the potential return for that help onto the ladder. But hey, I guess I'm just jealous I wasn't born into money.

@@DW-indeedshoulda done better in picking the right parents to be born to.

Wasn't that in 2019, in Newcastle?

The Conservative politicians here do a similar thing. They only prefix the word taxpayers with hardworking when they're referring to the higher tax payers.

spot on

That's an interesting take, and well argued - a genuine pleasure to read! My counter argument is that we already have a political class that like to hide away and avoid engaging with the public. Do we want to give them more excuses to only meet the public in highly controlled and stage-managed setups?

​@@markwelch3564 Apologies for the long reply but I feel this is a more important topic, thanks for asking. I would classify this as a "behaviour you don't want to see from your elected leader" and I would argue that we already have a pretty significant leverage in those terms; if we don't like the behaviour, we can vote them out. Certainly I argue this isn't perfect, first past the post does lead to a two-ish party system that prioritises our focus on the big issues. But we can and should allow other behaviours influence our decision. Maybe a person decides that two local politicians are broadly similar, but one promises to hold frequent surgeries and the other doesn't, maybe that tips the scale. But that needs to take into account the safety of individuals against assaults or attempted murder. If there is reasonable concern that criminal behaviour will be displayed towards that individual, many would argue that additional protection should be arranged. But again, that should not be politician specific. Anyone at high risk of an acid attack should not be in an unmonitored space in close proximity with strangers. That fear of an act of violence should influence our decisions, and does. If an individual is at a high risk of violence, they generally get protection. Celebrities hire their own bodyguards. The royal family has traditionally had seven regiments of guards. Double agents are provided police protection. If any individual is in reasonable danger the police should and do provide protection. That should not change. So like the activist criminal it is a choice. The politician can choose to go out and meet their constituents, and be in potential danger from people within those crowds, armed with milkshakes or acid. Or they could hole up safe and sound, but with lower interaction with the public, and potentially lower popularity. This is I think the aim of the milkshake. It is intended to dissuade Farage from holding such public meetings again. And it has a track record of working; Richard Spencer, punched live on camera, with the intent to reduce his frequency of public appearances, widely regarded by the left to be worthwhile and highly successful. But also track record of not working; again the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess, both intended to silence that politician and people like them, widely regarded to be senseless and unsuccessful. But again, that's the social contract. The puncher gambled well and got away with it. The murderers are now facing life imprisonment. They looked at the price and payoffs and made their choice. But so have the politicians. Nigel Farage has weighed up whether he will be the victim of an acid attack and found it beneficial. Indeed his security have probably weighed up the chance of a milkshake attack and found it beneficial. But this goes further; When politicians visit Ukraine, Boris for example, they are in danger - and they get a popularity boost. I liked Boris more because he visited. I liked Sunak and Starmer more because they visited. I wouldn't vote any of them in on that alone, but it displays to me that they are brave enough to show solidarity, whilst also under public and calculated risk. And that is a choice that we and they made. They gambled that it was a good choice. We chose to reward them putting themselves in danger. This is always how it has been. But there is a price to that payoff, and it is up to the individual to make that choice. A left wing activist may punch a neonazi and also decry an acid attack on Angela Rayner. A right wing activist might egg Jeremy Corbyn and also decry deplatforming Jacob Rees-Moggy-Moggy-Moggy-boi-boi-boi. Neither of these people are hypocrites. This is political violence, increasing the popularity of your preferred candidate by giving them more "airtime" while reducing the opposing candidate's ability to garner support and connection with the people. If an individual wants to participate in that, it is their right. Protest marches are political violence. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil is political violence. Milkshaking and egging is political violence. Murder of politicians is political violence. But there is a price to that payoff, and it is up to the individual to make that choice.

@@Qeztotz does this run the risk of politics becoming a competition on who can mobilse the most thugs, rather than who can bring the best policies?

​@@markwelch3564 the two propositions, who can mobilise best, and who has the best policies, not only not oppositional, but are directly connected. As a political figure it is your ability to mobilise your followers that decides whether you get to enact your policies. Whether you're a mild mannered Starmer or a fringe figure Farage, how many and how strongly your supporters will support you matters. Will they only support you by voting for you, but won't bother with anything else? Will they campaign on the street for you, spend their time, maybe some of their money? Will they risk going to jail for you? In the case of extremist organisations; will they die for the cause? As a supporter you look at what your candidate is offering, look at how likely they are to be able to implement that. If your candidate offering lukewarm servings of "things can only get better" with no solid plan, are you really going to commit a crime to help them get in? If the policies are weak, so is the support. A lack of strong policy and the party activists beating the street to drum up votes fall in number, less money donated for the campaign, fewer people willing to talk to Aunty Ethel who is on the fence about voting for the racist candidate. Without strong policies you get fewer strong supporters. Without strong supporters you get fewer voters. But similarly you need to look at the opposition candidates, and how likely they are to enact their policies. Maybe your own candidate runs on a tepid policy platform, but an opposing candidate is offering a strong policy that you really dislike, and they stand a decent chance of pushing it through? Suddenly maybe throwing that milkshake looks more attractive. So yes, blackshirt thugs is a danger, but this is not anything new. (See 6th January White House.) But mobilising is not bad, indeed it is, if you want to participate in politics, necessary. It is up to you to look at your candidate and decide the extent that you participate in that political violence, what you choose to pay; in time, money, or jail.

I am now firmly against it. The weasels already like to hide from the public We don't want to give politicians from any party more excuses to hide!

Every other country that has National Service seems capable of running it.

@@I_am_Spartacus Not without degrading the services they inflict it on while simultaneously increasing 'adventurist' thinking in the leadership. If we want to educate the youth why not do it during the twelve-plus years we have them in the actual education system, if we want to instil national pride maybe give them a nation to be proud of. We need to stop expecting the military to magically solve all our problems, they're not teachers, or police, or an aid organisation. They are a last resort, not a first response.

@@I_am_Spartacus Not without degrading the service/s it's inflicted on while simultaneously increasing 'adventurist' ideation in the political leadership. We've had this debate numerous times since the end of conscription. If we want to educate the youth we should probably be doing it during the twelve-plus years they're already in an educational system, if we want to encourage national pride and engagement we should probably ensure we're giving them a nation to be proud of and a system that encourages engagement. Having actual jobs for them, preferably ones that afford them a chance of homes and families, might help too. We need to stop expecting the military to solve all our problems like some mystical fairy godmother. They're not teachers, police, social workers, or an aid organisation. They're supposed to be a last resort, not a first response, but somehow we keep ending up with people who've never been shot at thinking national service is the answer to deep systemic failures.

It hurt my head at the time that one

Agreed. I misheard it last night and thought they were effectively both saying they might raise taxes. It’s only in listening to the clip in here I realised that I’d misheard. I liked the idea of the raising your hand segment, but the execution was piss poor.

agree, that annoyed me too!

With Gary Stevenson joining for economic analysis.

Novara over-do it on their bashing of anything that isn't hardline socialist. Rome wasn't built in a day, we need positive change, even if it's only positive when compared to the Tories, then we can focus on building a more progressive political climate.

@@XAVR_so you’re happy with Tory-light? I get that Labour should be better than the Tories but we also need people who are setting out proper left wing analysis and vision as part of the media ecosystem. Otherwise the BBC will be called left wing when it is at best centrist. Not sure about the PolJoe/Novara crossover. I guess they’re RU-vid rivals even if they’re political comrades

@@ajrh82 I reject the notion that Labour under Starmer are Tory-lite. I think it's a shallow and historically naive perspective on the party based mostly on the party not being as radically left as it was under Corbyn, where they alienated large swathes of the centrist and traditionally labour voting population. Blair got the same criticism in 1997, and he went on to introduce minimum wage, legalised gay marriage, brought forward peace in Ireland, and reformed the education system. Keir has outlined plenty of traditionally Labour concepts in the 6 leading pledges, I'll pass final judgement when I see the numbers in the manifesto, but so far I think they'll be a welcome, positive change for the country.

@@XAVR_ I hope you’re right and Labour has the fiscal space to do something transformational. I’m not sure I can vote for Labour this time as their handling of left wing MPs/candidates has been disgraceful. I think my main point is it’s good to have a full range of political opinions represented in the media and a Joe/NM joint show would be interesting to watch. We need to demand much more than just a bit better than the tories

He was a pensioner who acted in self defence.

That pays you for your time.

Still, doest green light assault against him.

@@kyzantia8884 I still think this is a case of reaping what you sow. Farage has personally used very dehumanising language about migrants. I don't think it's a coincidence that there was an increase in hate crimes around the Brexit referendum, when Farage campaigned around adverts that were very evocative of Nazi propaganda. He likes to pretend that they're just words, but words impact people's behaviour. I would rather no one got assaulted at all, but I'm not going to clutch my pearls when someone who has directly toxified British politics ends up with a dry cleaning bill.

This is so beautiful thank you and I think a lot of people actually do feel that way we're just not used to talking about politics in those terms. I don't think we've had a lot of people like him in charge of a political party in recent memory so we aren't able to judge him properly. I do have some questions about how labour have been choosing their candidates under Starmer but I really like torsten bell so that gives me a little hope!

Farage should feel honoured as the milkshake machine is usually out of order at McDonald's

Don't you realize this will leave Farage with more media and publicity? This has left his image more exposed to the world and certainly becoming stronger.

@@henrihsdh Well if you want to tell all the mainstream media outlets to stop covering Farage go right ahead.

Actually the whole thing was staged , it turns out the young lady who threw the milkshake is the girlfriend of a Reform party activist based in Clacton .

Europe is also on a longterm downward trend not just UK.

​@@colincampbell4261To be honest the planet is on a long term downward trend

The Difference is that Trump is being prosecuted for commiting crimes, not becuase people disagree with his politics. Thinking we should lock up Farage for his views on migrants, which might be disgusting, is insane and would lead to the breakdown with the way society interacts with politics.

It was a McDonald's product placement all along! Get the Fast Food lobby out of politics!

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An attack on anyone is the same - and how was this act not emotional and irrational? A non-emotional and rational tactic would have been to use words.

@@TvS92 wow, fantastic analysis. Oh wait, my mistake, What absolute bullshit. If you look at everything on the most superficial level then yeah everything = everything else. Wow dude have you ever noticed that like actually the allies in WW2 killed people too? Seems suspicious to me The worst thing you can do to a fascist is to laugh at them and publicly humiliate them, their entire worldview and sense of self identity is based on male sexual insecurities, perceived birth rights and innate supremacy over minority groups. Nigel Farage once saw a white woman in 1979 passionately kiss a black guy and every night since he rolls around in bed, sweating profusely thinking of that moment. The best thing to do to people like that is to ridicule them

Keep the right to buy but prevent them selling it to landlords.

I was about to comment that... perhaps it's just a Homage to The Basque Country.