Sunak offers pay rise to millions of public sector workers 

Facts!!!

An island for the richest as only they can survive here

@@visiow2691 what facts...come on have a go at a long sentence

@@rogerwood4846 How about you mind your business MATE

​@@visiow2691how about mind your moms business

Bang on and now he can go into election with the slogan I have increased public sector wages

Where is Kier Labour? Not a word! LIB DEM ONLY OPTION- LABOUR IS TORY LIGHT

If the public is too dumb to notice the other things they're wasting money on, like buying out the rooms of four star hotels for illegals, useless net zero schemes, the very effective jabs, the lockdowns, and Track and Trace, then they deserve all the suffering they get. The price of ignorance is a painful one, and the public will now pay it in spades.

We’re close to the biggest tax burden in decades, they reckon soon the national debt will be 300% of GDP, so we can’t increase taxes and we can’t increase borrowing. Where exactly is the money coming from if not from cuts? If your solution is just tax the rich, that’s no solution at all. Increasing the rate of tax doesn’t always increase the tax yield. Rich people are economically mobile and can move their money, you increase taxes too much they move somewhere else and you lose the ability to tax them at all.

​@@TheMcLaughlincrew the tax burden on the average household is indeed the highest its been in decades. Average households have seen their wages frozen or cut for the last 13 years and ever more of the burden of taxation placed upon them. As repeated governments have promised not to increase income tax and have instead employed stealth taxes that hit low earners while little effecting the wealthy. Those with assets worth more than a million pounds however have seen their wealth increase dramatically over that same time and have been benefitting from ever more of their earning coming from capital gains, which are taxed at a much lower rate than income. There is lots of money in the economy, its just no longer in the pockets of wage earners, its in the portfolios of asset owners. A very modiste wealth tax, one that would not affect anyone in the bottom 90%, and leave millionaires and billionaires only 5% less incredibly rich than they are now (less than one quarter the wealth they accumulated over the pandemic) would pay a lot of what our public services need to rebuild from the damage of austerity. A 10% wealth tax would leave the government soo flush with money it could kickstart out failing economy with investment and housebuilding. A long term increase of the tax on capital gains to bring it more inline with income tax and an increase in the top level of inheritance tax would fund our public services on into the future, while also helping to reduce wealth inequality and increase social mobility and meritocracy. Its not that we cant increase taxes, our government actively chooses not to increase taxes on those who have grown their wealth substantially, and instead insist the only option is to take away money from those who are actively getting poorer

Exactly A non-consolidated, non pensionable, taxable one off payment is not a pay rise.

​@amcdonald7479 I work in the NHS and recently got a one off payment of about £1500... over £600 of it was taken for tax, NI and pension backpay.

@@ukguy same

This is the case across all parties.

We spent more on PPE contracts that were never fulfille than Ukraine.

Most of that money going to ukraine is the value of the weapons we are sending and not bags of cash

maybe its his own money !

Magic money tree!!

@@mattwalsh3431 You (and I) would wish!

Money is out of thin air anyway. Its make belief. They just print more whenever they are low. Money is only an issue for the poor. The elite just manipulate systems and minds

@@gillianpope9039. Amber Rudd must regret telling Jeremy Corbyn “there is no magic money tree”, because Sunak has just contradicted her & found one.

Tbf i wouldn't do the job for what they get. Its a out 70-80 grand? To be on tele n stuff. No way. I would want double that at least

@@thenoobalmighty8790they claim the craziest expenses ever get bonuses, everywhere they go is free. Dont think its just 80k a year chief. They buy shares in stocks and then manipulate the system to benefit this. They are the ultimate scumbags

​@@thenoobalmighty8790don't forget the huge expenses account, 2nd jobs, appearance fees, feathering their nests so they can move on to big business boardrooms. Millionaire's like Sunak, Starmer, Mogg don't leave well paid city jobs /professions for an MPs "meager" salary without getting something out of it at the other end. Even our local councillors are well paid and in contact with local business. Systems corrupt af.

@@graememckay9972 true

Pay cuts to MPs to fund junior doctors!

I doubt anyone better would replace him, past PMs have been rather shocking, and the future doesn't look any brighter. Unfortunately, we are sort of stuck in a loop. Governments fucked, to be honest.

There isn’t a better choice at the moment, and Rishi isn’t so bad anyway.

Or that he's standing down as PM immediately

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@@Czybmnxn hahaha 🤡

We all get that but where would the money come from to give them the above inflation pay rise they deserve. Unfortunately publuc sector workers need to understand they are not getting the rise they deserve.

@@johnroberts2331 We can start by taxing the wealthy, their assets and their properties properly. Then we can increase the deficit to invest in infrastructure that would add enormous value to this country. If we had tens of billions to spaff on leaving the EU and useless PPE then we can afford every penny people are asking for.

@@randylahey2607 I can understand that mean seem tempting but the rich have accountants/lawyers who know every loophole going to get there clients out from paying the increased tax forced on them. There are tons of them loopholes. I don't agree with it anyway as it would drive the rich away from the UK and wouldn't be an incentive for rich people to invest in the UK from outside. I think public sector workers need to live in the real world and realise we are the **** and are not getting the pay rise they were hoping for. They may deserve but there's no magic wand and we can't trust Labour who seems to believe money grows on trees. In terms of Brexit I think its a huge success. I maybe biased in saying this as I am a Conservative. Always have been alway will be.

@@johnroberts2331 You can't hide your London penthouse - ie there are many things we can do which the rich cannot dodge. And if they leave, so be it. The problem with neoliberal capitalism is that it depends on infinite growth to survive. In our case we depend on importing more and more people to maintain economic growth. We also outsource key parts of our supply chain meaning we are both wedded and welded to the global economy. Do you see the contradiction? If we do dramatically lower the rate of immigration then we will crash our economy. And what is the Conservative solution? There is none. Even Labour wouldn't know what to do. The answer would be to increase the deficit, swallow increased borrowing costs, tax wealth and invest in our own infrastructure, production and education over a span of decades. I don't believe there is any evidence to suggest that an outflux of rich people would necessarily cripple our economy. For one thing, how brittle must an economy be if it necessarily depends on the good will of the powerful? Short term I believe we should all join a union and go on a general strike. The fundamental argument is this: "If you can afford Brexit, which has been a colossal failure, if you can afford to write of all those PPE contracts, at a time when people were dying and the Tories were partying, then we can afford every single penny to give to those who power this country's wealth"

No - it is a pay rise.

Whats even worse is schools have to pay for it out of existing budgets so it actually works out as a 5% budget cut for schools (pay is 90% of a schools budget). Sunak managed to give his old private school £7 million of tax payers money last year for new sports facilities and during covid, when schools had to spend on new IT facilities and ventilation upgrades, state schools received no help while millions of tax payers money were paid to private schools to fund these costs

How else do you want him to fund it. Some people can never be happy

​@@humanbeing975tax rich people and massive companies that hoard more wealth than you could spend in a hundred lifetimes.... It's pretty simple

@@assiduous_yogi Tax rich people and everybody is poor. Think a bit more about economics and history before you call for higher taxes. When corporations pay more, you get paid less and its harder for you to freelance and start your own business too. Business taxes don't help poor people, they make it worse.

​@@assiduous_yogiTaxing rich people and companies makes the rich people and companies leave, then you get zero tax from them. Corporation tax is already a bit high in the uk as it is, and a 45% tax rate is straight up theft of half someone's income.

well the JAMs (Just about managing) dropped off the radar 5yrs ago, when it was clear they were No Longer Managing, i feel squeezing the poor till the pips squeak may well have adverse effects this time....

​@@tomayris3671the illegal war and migrants is the problem of all UKs economy. Throw the illegals down old coal mines force them to dig re open coal power plants

I was in a very comfortable financial position until last year and now I'm really feeling the squeeze. It's depressing to think how most people are going to cope and I worry for my kids future, so much that we're moving to Ireland because these days pay is higher there and house prices are much lower

@@stevec6427 because Ireland dosnt have the tax payer funding for illegals

@@girlsdrinkfeck er....yes it does....

"That's paid for by your school budget, so no stationary for the kids this year!"

@@monged4life442 Pay is on average 92% of a schools budget so this is effectively a 5% budget cut for schools. Remember when Sunak found £7 million of tax payers money last year for new sports facilities for his old school?

What parties arent useless in the UK?

@@RizzabethIILabour if you stop listening to the media and look at the data. Labour done bad. Tories are evil. Labour has a proven track record. The tories just want money and power.

​@ObviousTrollXD All of them sre useless. Spoil your ballot to ensure your thoughts are recorded and your vote against the lot of them counted. A low turnout election still counts. An election with the majority of ballots spoiled shows there is no mandate.

How’s that the ‘right’ thing ? 😊

@@Stu_Pidasso Have you not seen the state of this country???

There is a very easy answer. Get rid of the broken NHS.

Stop giving a dime about zelensky and focus on own people. Period

@@7346908not quite, you can’t just let Russia do what they want. Otherwise you end up with a situation like 1939 Europe.

@@CzybmnxnOr we can keep sending ammo ect… run our country into the ground and surrender to Russia in the near future cause we have nothing to defend ourselves with 👍

And russia can't let nato do what it wants or it will be surrounded on all sides...thats exactly what nato has done since the fall of the wall. We can agree Putin is a bad man, but a country is going to look after its own interests, Ukraine joining nato is worse than the USSR putting nukes on Cuba

@@7346908 yeah who cares about the stability of Europe along with the lost and ruined lives leading. You tell em genius

True! The "independant pay review bodies" are only allowed to recommend pay rises within the current budget. So if the government cuts the budget for the NHS the "independant pay review bodies" are unable to recommend a inflation matching pay rise for doctors and nurses, even if thats whats needed to stop them from quitting and keep the service from imploding.

Strikes did not give people weekends, holiday pay, sick pay, etc. Check the history - many of these things came from unions and owners working together as the needs were required. " The adoption of the modern weekend was neither swift nor uniform as, ultimately, the decision for a factory to adopt the half-day Saturday rested with the manufacturer. Campaigns for an established weekend had begun in the 1840s but it did not gain widespread adoption for another 50 years. By the end of the 19th century, there was an irresistible pull towards marking out Saturday afternoon and Sunday as the weekend. While they had their different reasons, employers, religious groups, commercial leisure and workers all came to see Saturday afternoon as an advantageous break in the working week. This laid the groundwork for the full 48-hour weekend as we now know it - although this was only established in the 1930s. Once again, it was embraced by employers who found that the full Saturday and Sunday break reduced absenteeism and improved efficiency."

@@davidgaskin5417 nonsense - you're rewriting history. You're the ultimate bootlicker.

You are privileged getting 6 months full pay for being "stressed/depressed" while the people who pay your wages in the private sector get statutory sick pay on par with benefits. Just think of this next time you cry about wages you privileged little man

Then what?

Private sector wages have increased much more since 2010 then public sector wages. Many public sector workers have had a pay cuts multiple years in a row.

​@@paxundpeace9970no public sector worker has had a pay cut. Your wage rising slower than inflation is not a pay cut

@@quillo2747 thank you, it's nice to read someone else can read through the "pay cut " bollox.

You are right. But who will be voted in? There is nobody to vote for.

What about last year when there was no payrise yet inflation was 12%?

If all salaries kept up with inflation, inflation would get worse and worse

Calling it a "pay cut " is confusing. If you get more this week than you did last week then it's a plus. The " pay cut " jargon is just politicians throwing stones . If you buy a can of beans for 50p this week but next week it's 60p reduced to 55p - IT'S STILL GONE UP BY 5p! So therefore more - no "cut" .

You're better off working for the union, their pay and benefits are brilliant, despite doing nothing .

Asking for £19 an hour as a doctor isn’t greedy… I pay my hair dresser £25, when I call out a plumber or electrician it’s closer to £40. On a bank holiday it goes up in price. Why aren’t doctors worth that?

@@Bringon-dw8dx I have quite a few friends that are doctors and they earn £60k - £80k+. That's pretty decent in my book. Fair eough a junior doctor/trainee doesn't earn that, but at least when they are on £100k, they would have earned it.

⁠@@EvenWaysMusic60k after how long? Being a doctor is a HIGHLY competitive and skilled career path, 60k after say 10-15 years isn’t good enough. As i pointed out, people with far less skills are paid far more straight out of their training. Why should non consultant doctors not be paid more then a hairdresser or trades person. Infact why is a doctor pay 10k less then a physicians associate (used to be called a physicians assistant), why do they start on less money then the nurses. Why is a doctor the lowest paid person in a hospital on a bank holiday, less than the cleaners/porters/cooks etc. that’s an absolute disgrace.

​@@Bringon-dw8dxthose are some cheap trades people and you do know they don't get paid a dime taking holidays or sick leave unlike the NHS. They're also highly skilled and if you were my customer I'd charge you twice that for the lack of respect you have

@@paul55767 those are the trades people I can afford, can’t go much beyond that bracket. They are highly skilled…. My point is so are doctors and yet you are saying paying them 4x what doctors pay would be them under charging.

Exactly.... It's ridiculous to say "this is a final offer", that's not how good faith negotiation works, it's just part of their filthy scheme to turn public opinion against the unions by implying that they're greedy and unreasonable (when in fact it is quite transparent that it's rishi and others like him that are the root of the problems normal people face)

I liked Viv's simple response to this, "it wouldn't be his first U turn" (paraphrased)

Hopefully yes, then the question is who do you vote for? They are all useless.

@@knowitall3503 true, but we should still vote for the slightly lesser evil. Not voting is what they'd like and for that reason I'll vote.

I'll definitely be voting myself, it won't be for any of the main two.

@@knowitall3503 well gave to see which is the most likely to firm a coalition with Labour and hopefully restrain the current leaders habit of being a conservative.

@@abdulSpruce You clearly know nothing about communism. It is nothing of the kind. After the great depression US President FD Roosevelt increased taxation on the rich as part of the New deal. The revenue act 1935. Up to 75% taxation. When Car manufacturers made wage cuts, Ford increased his workers wages which increased productivity and he outsold the competition during that same period. It lead the US to become the richest nation on Earth. Nothing communist about that. Perhaps you meant to say it sounds like an incentive to increase productivity and investment which is actually good practice in capitalism. Unfortunately this government being the most corrupt in British history, has after 13 years mismanaged not just the economy but much of the populations education i see.

@@abdulSprucewhat way is higher tax for the rich communism

@@abdulSpruce The EU has done a lot to stop tax avoidance and most of Europe is in a much better economic state than the UK

Please define "rich"? At what exact theshold does someone become "rich"? And what level of taxation should then be imposed upon them? This is the same argument as..."immigrants are to blame" only differently targeted........simplistic solutions, offered by people wiht no critical thinking skills. Exacty what LABOUR and socialism are.

@@benasribikauskas1066 You clearly know literally NOTHING about history. Define 'Rich".....then put forward your plan to tax them, and state clearly where the resulting taxation will be used. Then explain to the unemployed poor, where the businesses the rich used to run have gone......and why they no longer have any jobs, income or incentives. Why there is nothing to buy and every good is in short supply.......why the tiny elite, deciding who gets taxed and now the "rich"........and most importantly, why they are no longer allowed to say so for fear of arrest, imprisonment or execution. See SOVIET UNION 1917-1991. There are many books and documentaries about it.

English speaking countries

It’s why we (doctors) keep on striking. Junior doctors are striking monthly. Consultants have strikes this month and next month

Because the more people get paid, the more prices continue to go up as business overheads are increasing or taxes increase also leading to an increase in business overheads. This would mean interest rates would have to remain high as inflation would continue to be a prevalent issue for years to come. Whereas if people end up just not paying for goods, after a few months (maybe 6-9) prices will have to return back down again in order for anyone to make any profit.

​@@Czybmnxnvery correct. Some don't take these factors into consideration

@@Czybmnxn These are public sector workers, they do not produce a product only a service. Therefore the risk to inflation increase is minimal. As many of these workers haven't seen a real terms pay increase in line with inflation for 9 years, they are hardly likely to be spending any extra earnings on produts in the high street or new cars etc. It will likely be put toward growing rents which landlords have increased due to climbing interest rates on their buy to let mortgages. Therefore neither will they be spending out on luxury items. If private sector wages were increased, that would add to inflation as private companies increase their product selling costs to offset the wage increase given to their employees. Careful when listening to Rishi's bs. That argument has already been debunked. This government wasted in excess of 37 Billion during the Pandemic, thats why they refuse to pay adequate wages to the public sector. The tories only know Austerity to aid their corruption. 2.5 billion defered from 3 northern tory councils to a tory think tank this week went largely under the radar because the country would rather hear about a non story of a BBC presenter swapping dik piks...

@@Czybmnxn Thats not true. Unless the average national salary increases by more than the rate of inflation then wages are not driving inflation. According to virtually every economist, it is the spike in energy prices which is causing our inflation right now and it's being exacerbated by rising food and rent prices

Where would the money come from? The UK is broke

They could do both if they actually governed and taxed corporations properly. I bet you England is also partly responsible for the Russian invasion.

You think we're giving money to Ukraine? It's all in loan guarantees and Ukraine will be paying it back for decades. And if they can't pay it back then we'll (for 'we' read our government) be taking it from the food basket of Europe. If our government thought that they couldn't repay it or that they couldn't get something out of the deal, then there would be no aid. It's cute how you think that the richest countries in the world actually give stuff away with no strings attached - there's a reason they're the richest countries in the world and the puppet masters won't be giving that up without a fight.

People should not fear their governments, goverments should fear their people....... (they do fear the people.. just look how many ppl get band or blocked from talking out)

This is a pretty common Budget based spending pattern. The issue is that Hospitals are not paid per operation or treatment (which has problems too). They rather paid a lump sum to get to the end of the year. Because it is run like government Administration.

Possible when for instance utilizing the occupancy metrics like hotels fixed and variable rate per night. But like you said Government budgets typically run by total headcount / payroll and non payroll budget per department. Typical old fashioned inefficient leaky budgeting

it shouldn’t be just nurses but allied health professions as well.

Studies have shown the management structure makes the NHS more efficient. You're nothing but a liar.

Be thankful your in a unionised workforce. In effect your union is a terrorist organisation making demands of the British government meanwhile those who pay your wage have no union backing

How do you attract more staff? Is it by offering worse and worse wages?

No-one's job is useless, whether you are caring for elderly people or cleaning the streets - you're still contributing to society.

The private sector has had significantly better pay rises over the past 15 years. That’s why private sector wages are more liveable. Junior doctors have had around a 35% real terms pay cut, consultant doctors are nearing a 50% real terms pay cut.

If you cant afford a few days off work then you wont be able to afford private healthcare

Better to learn from their illiterate, racist, bigoted parents, eh?

Define an "excessive asset"

​@illegalopinions4082 2+ holiday homes that are barely used, or what about rishi's assets as an example.

@@thenamescarter8279 Will you still be supporting this when it gets redefined to include you in the definition?

@@illegalopinions4082 well if i can afford to have an extra house or two i would love to be taxed extra for it but as of now its the working class that are getting massively punished by this government's incompetence.

If you tax an asset then that asset is worth less. How do you tax a building? Or shares? The only way for people to pay the tax would be sell the asset, then the asset goes down in price and less tax is paid next time.

I'm really sorry to hear that. My last job was delivery of medical supplies to pharmacies all over Central London and East Anglia. I've seen first hand how incredibly hard you work; in keeping with everyone you absolutely deserve a pay rise and a real one. Unconditional support from me 😊

They are nothing compared to what real drugstores are abroad, pharmacists are not really needed in any random boots really. As a foreigner I learned by heart what I need in most cases otherwise I go to the Dr. Not everything is Ibuprofen abroad. It sounds horrible but sorry. I went to Boots once asking for Omeprazole and the pharmacist didn't know what that is.

@@Sleepflowrr morning, yes I remember from a holiday in Crete years ago that the remit of what pharmacies can offer and prescribe is far wider than the UK. One thing they are implementing in the UK is giving pharmacists more responsibilities in terms of healthcare advice, services and prescription of medicine that historically only a GP could do. The main point I wanted to focus on is the huge workload pharmacists have to contend with every single day. I certainly saw it during the pandemic; I was volunteering for my surgery by delivering medical supplies to the vulnerable who were forced to isolate for months in 2020. The pressure was relentless. I totally respect what you said though.

The average pharmacist pay is about 50k. As with drs. No one on 50k is struggling financially unless they are spending well beyond their means. The average UK salary is close to 30k, stop complaining

@@quillo2747 I'm not complaining I'm supporting. Everyone lives up to and beyond their means. Are you saying that everyone on 50k plus should rent a tiny bedsit, have no families and hobbies and basically live to work? I wonder if the average CEO exists like that.....

Zahawi was only arguing last week that MP's salaries should be doubled!

Should probably be looking at why they're separating you from your children so much. It's certainly not for their benefit

The dept of education are targeting engineers (like myself) to recruit in to teaching because they want maths and science teachers with industry background and practical application. The problem is, the teachers starting salary is around half an engineers salary and even the full teaching salary of £35k is a £20k cut for most of us. The say they want better teachers with real world, professional experience but pay nowhere near enough to get those people. My kids have some excellent teachers but for the last few years they've been getting extra break times because there aren't enough teachers to cover all their lessons

The Tories have very few fans. But a lot of Bots.

As a previous tory voters, there are no tory fans left. The tories and Labour are identical

@@quillo2747 maybe time to vote for another party!!