Sunbreak | What is the best lance? Should i use element? 

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7:20 Val vs Gorm 13:44 Val 14:52 Gorm 15:20 Fire 16:02 Water 16:12 Thunder 16:34 Ice

You are a champion my friend ! I was looking for some really good builds without dereliction. Thank you so much for your work ! You just help another fellow hunter ! 👍

I was just picking up lance in sunbreak and THANK GOD I found your channel. It's been super helpful for me to wrap my head around this fun weapon. As you mentioned in this video, as well as lots of people throwing around on the internet, ibushi lance + bladescale hone + grinder(s) evade lancing seems to be a very fun but skill-demanding play style (since "evading" itself has seemed to be nerfed in rise). But unfortunately I can't seem to find a good showcase video of this particular playstyle, so i for one would love to see you showcasing it.

Great videos! They are very organized and fun to watch. I’m starting to play Lance again in sunbreak after skipping out on it in rise although I played it a lot in world.

Appreciate the work you've been putting into this weapon.

You have excellent pacing / delivery, really great content man

Absolutely killing it

As usual, as someone who started with 3U... the Moga Village music is greatly appreciated!

The Narwa fight puts on such a good show for Skyward Thrust. Dealing over a thousand damage on every one of those tail-slam attacks, and even more on knocks, feels fantastic.

Great video! Interesting to see your take on comfy sets and where the lances shake out. I just hit end game, and I have found that brining the right elemental match up is very worth it for where I am at. I currently run Wex3, CB3, OG3, GU3, WBW3, Handi 2, Razor Sharp 2, and the stead fast 3 and flinch free 3 for more utility. I primarily spam anchor rage as my standard counter along with instaguard. I'd really like to see comparisons like this with a more utility set and see if elemental lances end up making the difference in the match up since you aren't going all out in damage. Maybe standard utility like WBW3, Steadfast 3, and options for GU2 via a 4slot when applicable.

So far my best lance charm is Offensive Guard lvl 2/ Quick Sheathe lvl 1 3-0-0 haha. Great and very insightful video! It made me leap from guard lvl 5 to guard 1 and the damage I deal with insta-block is very noticable!

how the hell do you not have more subs??? that's a crazy amount of work to produce as much information as clearly as you did. i look forward to seeing more!

Thank you for making this video its awesome! I need the Builds!

Loved how lance got some love, well earned sub

Now this is some good shit, lance is one of my favorite weapons but i'm one of those who look to YT for info on how to approach it, very nice informational video. Not sure if it's just me, but a simple show case on how to do the "top three best combos" would probably help me and others a lot, I did watch your in-depth combo guide but it might just be too in-depth for people who just want to know the combos and scrolls and then get out there hunting, just a suggestion. Thanks for the videos!

Great work, thanks for the vid

Assuming your findings are the same as mine, Lance is in a weird position where it is NOT an elemental weapon, but you should almost always use elemental options because the best raw options are also elemental lances. It feels like a weird brute-forced way to make players craft elemental weapons (personally, I think the best raw options should be better than using the wrong element but using the right element should be stronger for most weapon types against most monsters; However that's understandably hard to pull off with some weapon types that don't get much from element in the first place, and versus various monsters with different HZVs). Haha, looks like we did have pretty similar findings. There are actually an impressive number of weapons that with similar attack and affinity skills are within a couple % of each other in terms of raw damage, it's just way too easy for element to make up the difference. Admittedly because of its sharpness I never even considered Ibushi's Lance though. Saw that sharpness, didn't even think about grinder (s), and wrote it off.

making sets in sunbreak is mind numbing but they're all so good

Thanks for the vid! Just recently got into lance :) For the dereliction builds have you thought about malzeno waist? it has nice health recovery for the health tick... although it does negate the 2 resentment.

I'm curious on your methodology for determining the damage values for your comparisons. I was doing some testing of elemental matchups myself and ended up testing three different combo scenarios - thrust->slap loops, cross counter, & triple poke. My tests weren't nearly as exhaustive as yours, but it seemed pretty clear that the benefit of the appropriate non-dragon elemental lance would greatly depend on how often you're using cross counter in the matchup, since that move heavily favors raw compared to the leaping thrust loops and regular poke combos. So for example, vs Nargacuga I was actually getting slightly higher damage numbers for thunder element lances compared to valstrax (probably not using the exact same sets, all my sets were tested with maxed out charms), but thunder likely still wouldn't be better regardless because of the combination of sharpening (as you mention) but also how often you get cross counters.

I’d like to hear your opinion on the teostra lance. It seems pretty viable to me. The orangaten waist bumps it up to 20 hits of purple and 2 levels of blast. And since a leaping thrust only counts as one hit, sharpness loss isn’t as big of a problem as it could be. Sometimes I just build two levels of handicraft and use the kaiser waist. Thanks for your vids!

Another video proving you're legitimately a great MH channel that actually knows what it's talking about. Easy sub.

Although your videos does not impact me directly, as I am not a speed runner. It is very comforting to know that my comfort, one set fits all builds doesn’t really loose that much damage compared to the optimal sets. (+-20 percent is what I consider inconsequential due to uptime)

It's always interesting for me watching these because when something is mentioned as a 1% dps loss or even a 5% dps loss...I'm like "eh...I'm not THAT fussed if I'm honest..." then I realize that these guides are basically meant for speedrunners where every little thing really matters, for your average pleb like me a dive THIS deep into numbers is largely irrelevant. I don't use insta-block, I use Shield tackle and Anchor rage and I'll probably stick with the Gaismagorm lance. This isn't to discourage Gobul at all, the work they put into their videos is highly respected from myself at least even as an average pleb.

I noticed you used Lunagaron lance for the ice matchups (specifically Rajang family). Did you test Spinetooth Spear (Zamite Tree) with Elembane for that matchup? It looks like it would require slightly less sharpening, and the extra ice element might be enough to match Lunagaron lance. Rajang and Furious Rajang are probably the only matchups where this matters anyway. Also, What's your suggestion for fighting against Valstrax itself? Thanks for the vid. This is all amazing info, and I really appreciate the methodology you're using.

I've been enjoying Lance. I only recently picked it up, just before sunbreak. Beat the game with it (excluding the MR100 quest, haven't gotten there yet) and I lean more towards the kamura and furious rajang lances. I'm more comfy player than speedrun. I can basically have all the same skills with these weapons sans rampage slot.

You are right about skywatd thrust. But with a dereliction meta and it being in the same slot as the counters you don't want to really use it. Its situational but deteliction benefits of of staying in one scroll the whole time. With that skxward thrust albeits its dps output in the right situation just fals short because it is too situational compared to the counters giving you not only a counter but aso an attack increase. Its not that skyward thrust is bad. Its just too situational to beat the counters in that slot. Sure in some matchups like allmother it beats them but against most other monsters its too situational to beat the counter

Great video. Kinda confused at why you only consider using speed sharpening 3 and not using whetfish since that eliminates the need for it. I'm also surprised that Dereliction sets don't win out in any situation

I really felt that insta-block at 1:10, I will always go for the insta-block even though I know I need to Guard Advance.

Good stuff

All things considered, great vid man. But ngl thought hat para lance was gonna make some form of an appearance ahaha

Mind sharing the set using the grinder(s) ibushi lance? I have a lvl 9 2 grinder(s) but just a 2-0-0 slot and not 2-1-0.

Were all these tests done using the same set you put in the description? Are you planning on experimenting with bloodlust sets? I’ve gotten pretty good results with the Astalos Lance since with its natural 20% affinity, you only have to invest 2 (or 4 if you want more consistent crits without the affinity boost active) levels into crit eye compared to Zinogre or Valstrax where you have to invest 6 or 7 points. Same can be applied to the Royal Order Lance with its 10% affinity + extra slot

God Like video Gobul

I must have missed it. Is the armor set you used in this test the basic meta set, just with the Gaismagorn lance swapped with the Valstrax one? I wasn’t clear on that.

Right now do you think that Chaotic Goremagala lance is better than Valstraxs? Or should I still use vals?

For a grinder (s) build, how is the Ibushi Lance better than the Scorned Magnamalo Lance? It's a 10 raw difference, but with the 35 blast and lvl. 3 and 2 slot it seems like an easy winner over the Ibushi lance.

any chance of revisiting the ibushi lance as an option?

have u considered using mail of hellfire over dereliction?

I just started playing MH Rise and hit MR 2 just using the free high rank set you get early on. I've been struggling to find progression sets for early MR's. Any recommendations?

Oohh just when I was looking to get into lance

Is bloodlust any good for other weapons?

Can you post the ibushi grinder (s) build please? For who, like me, have that charm and love the ibu lance

Nice channel.

Thaaaank you! I thought I was taking crazy pills reading the recs for shield tackle/no skyward thrust. Shield tackle is handy but can't replace guard advance, at least not when it comes to my muscle memory lol great video! Lance gang!

A vampire/health regen/tank build would be great!

Count me in for wanting the Ibushi set too, i've got the charm! Barely! :D

Actually you still have access to the leaping thrust even with shield tackle. You can do it from power guard, which is slower, but the option is still there.

So Is valstrax the best for every other weapon except like greatsword

Me listening to Gobul: “QUICK WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN”

Aren't the bomb cats actually better at dealing damage than the gun dogs?

I think there might be an mistake with one of the sets urls. The linked valstrax set in the comments for the dereliction builds does not include dereliction on it!

So glad I came upon this video What I got from this is that: Valstrax mostly wins out and I can abandon the ugly looking Gorm Lance, I hate how they designed Gorm Lance, Every other weapon gets some cool design and I got a smoothened out Blos Lance with some glowy bits that are INSIDE the damn thing.

Did you at all post the link for the discord ? I’m pretty interested in joining it.

What's your thoughts on guard and guard up on lance? If I want to guard through everything (including valstrax double laser), is guard 3 up 1 enough?

Elemental lance builds are underrated. Don't down play them. I have complete lance elemental sets that deal mad damage.

The reason I love lance, is that I always stand behind beasts and smash their back doors in

I use the spear of fiery espinas because even if it considers it a fire weapon, also having the hidden poison damage it does not read the weapon as only an elemental but as a weapon status. So even hitting an area not damaged by fire will still do high damage as there are no parts of monsters immune to poison and, I tried it on monsters with fire elemental value 0 and I still did huge damage plus it can apply poison and its sharpness does not it's so bad besides the rant of jewels you can put on it

Clearly a ton of work on optimisation, and great info for anybody inclined! Me though, I still enjoy my silly twin vines homing nonstop poking machine 😁, which runs chain crit, part breaker, blood rite, and earplugs. Is chain crit no good? Other than poor naming and it being hard to slot in because of scarcity. Edit: how about foray + chain crit + poison lance?

Call me bad luck lancer because every generation I've had shit luck with charm/decos. If there is a worst case charm/deco table, I've ended up with it at some point (seriously, 3ds days were pain). If future update is doubling down on this then I am consigned to my fate. Bring it, Capcom. Smite me oh almighty smiter.

Well I feel pretty good about my grinder (s) 2/ 3+1+1 slot charm right about now!

If you have a friend with a hunting horn you don't have to worry about losing sharpness

I laughed way too much at 13:53 "Narwa the all Mum"... hahaha

I found out while watching this for the second time that i have a grinder s 2 + lv3 slot charm

just curious since i couldn't find a difinitive answer anywhere, do you need guard/guard up if you're using insta-block?

I haven't actually done much research on this yet, but you probably know this off the top of your head anyways. How important is guard as a skill in sunbreak? Instablock plus the guard levels from twin vine make me think that guard 3 would be the max you should go for if any.

Dereliction, Blood Lust, Blood Rite, OG & Coalescence is my main driver. I don't care about hitting meta damage. I just want comfort consistent damage output and not to cart.

So why aren't there any points in focus? Wouldn't this greatly increase dps?

I am in no way a Speedrunner or even good at the lance but not sharpening as much and dealing more damage in many matchups sounds really good for any build not just the meta one so would it still make sense to use the valstrax lance on my completely off meta, comfort build? And as always very informative and awesome video! Thank you for delivering all this great content!

How much damage loss would a build have compared to the "meta" picks that had max guard up and guard? I just like tanking literally everything :)

Nice video. I would like to know if partbreaker is a must when you run bloorite for sustain or if it's better to prioritize crit eye or attk boost. I usually run 2 blood rite and 1 chain crit in all my Lance sets

It’s such a shame that we really don’t have good raw Lance sets. No matter how I’ve done my testing, crit just keeps demolishing attack up since so many good lance pieces of armor come with one or more crit skills

Good info but I'd recommend timestamps for a video this length especially when the info is so clearly segmented already.

People debating shield tackle vs gaurd dash. My take is getting knocked the fuck out mid attack is more than a 5% dps loss lol. But I'm a terrible player so go off with your perfectly timed combo's.

Lmao i literally got a grinder (s) lvl 2 with a 4 Slot minutes before i started watching this video, was seriously thinking of making builds with it but i thought it was too situational to actually be a viable thing. Guessed wrong!

Can someone please explain to me how to do that hop poke that does 3 ticks of damage every time

Came here for the para lance in thumbnail... proceeds not to be in video...

So, for my more casual purposes, Valstrax Valstrax bo Balstrax.

wirebug whisperer 3 lvl 3-2-1 thas my best charm. honestly it would jus be a generic template charm if it wasnt for the level 3 WW lmao

Skyward thrust being situational is part of its downfall. It means that during any hunt, there is and will be a time where it's a dead tool in your kit. The Lance is a weapon designed around consistency and uptime, Skyward Thrust goes against that very design choice, same with wirebug evade, it goes against the very core design of the Lance in your face all the time playstyle. That is why both of said skills are terrible additions to Lance. Are there uses for them? Absolutely, but with the other options available to Lance, I never use them.

thats rly interesting math! cant see it working in the game though - lance isnt db or even sns - so why even bother bringing 20 element weapon..

Has anyone considered using masters touch?

The lance guide on the meta subreddit along with some other weapons was pretty much thrown out there just to have something up and unfortunately hasn't changed since especially since it seems people were waiting for TU1 to update anything. Overall I find the quality of the albums for Sunbreak and even Rise to be worse than what they did for MHW/Iceborne. Qurio augments for armours are a complete mess btw.

Shield tackle has way too much utility to not take just for a small percentage of dmg.

So basically just use Valstrax or deal with needing to sharpen other lances way more often per hunt so that your DPS isn't sub-optimal. A shame. I was hoping that the buffs to element would mean weapon diversity for lance.

I'm sorry. Who the hell is Steve?

5% damage over the utility of shield tackle is barely a choice tbh.

There are two things that puzzle me in this video: 1. why are Dereliction sets recommended for normal play but Dereliction+Bloodlust sets are not? I find Dereliction a rather uncomfortable skill to play with by itself on blademaster weapons, especially if they might take a lot of chip damage like Lance. For most players, the health management of Dereliction alone would just make them lose a lot of dps over sets that aren't running it. Bloodlust might temporarily double down on the life loss, but at least gives you a chance of fully recover all the health you lost through Dereliction, so it might actually be more comfortable for the non-speedrunner. 2. your arguments about sharpness on the Val vs Gorm lance seem suspicious in general. First of all, the examples you're using come from afflicted monsters, which notoriously stay much longer in the same area than normal monsters. Second, if you're not a speedrunner and/or you don't know the fights perfectly you will probably not hit nearly as often as to use up your entire sharpness, even on a 80 units lance. The "it's bad because you have to sharpen sometimes" argument falls apart a little more when you start recommending lances with Protective Polish, which literally requires you to sharpen in order to get the buff. And finally, even if Gorm lance is weaker on white, that's gonna be 10-20% of your hunt at best (again, unless you're a speedrunner), which means Gorm lance would still be ahead overall. However I agree that with how close the raw difference is and how big the dragon is on Val lance there's no real point in taking Gorm over it (except maybe if you're using Rousing Roar). Thanks however for the arguments and the explanations, it's overall a great contribution to the discussion about set optimization.

Other weapons required timing, positioning, and prediction. While Lance is a stat-check weapon For me when I pick Lance, the quest is guaranteed 100% success rate just depends on how long it will take lol

I put 7000 hours in lance for world but I just hated rise. 30 hours in and I never enjoyed a minute of it. Silkbind is terrible, I went from trading hits with fatalis because he was a little bitch, to guard and guard up being a joke in rise. Went from clutch counter or tank everything with no effort to sorry my bug isn't ready...handheld stupidity returns to mh.