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SUNDERLAND ARE BIGGER THAN NEWCASTLE... FOR NOW! 

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I explored the histories of Sunderland AFC & Newcastle United!
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I explored St James' Park & the Stadium Of Light to find out more about Newcastle & Sunderland. Newcastle United are currently in the Premier League & Sunderland are in EFL League 1.
Despite that, the Mackems have more top division titles than the Geordies! Which Tyne-Wear derby club do you think is biggest? COMMENT BELOW!!!
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@FootyAdventures
@FootyAdventures 2 года назад
Did you know Sunderland have more league titles than Newcastle?????
@abdelhakim7465
@abdelhakim7465 2 года назад
@Jack SAFC Newcastle meilleur mon pote
@andrewsmith2399
@andrewsmith2399 2 года назад
Newcastle and Sunderland will they play each other again???🤔
@depekthegreat359
@depekthegreat359 2 года назад
Good friend,of course,I know that they have more league titles than Newcastle United but overall in their respective histories,Newcastle United are bigger than Sunderland!!!If possible,you can do an interview with lifelong Newcastle United supporter Irish Guy Michael of HITC Sport and lifelong Sunderland supporter Jam Sarny of his same name's You Tube channel to discuss further about the Tynewear derby which have been one of the heated rivarlies despite both are two of my favourite respective teams daily and ever,good friend!!!:-D
@coniston3106
@coniston3106 2 года назад
@@andrewsmith2399 If Newcastle got relegated and Sunderland got promoted, then yes.
@parkamonkey4204
@parkamonkey4204 2 года назад
@@ulfurkarlsson5885 Sunderland was close to winning the League Cup in 2014 when was the last time Newcastle were at Wembley in a cup final ?
@stephenwalker7870
@stephenwalker7870 2 года назад
It just shows the history of northeast football I'm a Sunderland fan but both clubs should be so proud of their history ....
@johnsbackdoor8365
@johnsbackdoor8365 2 года назад
Agree mate hope ye get back up so we can fight again
@Jrb93
@Jrb93 Год назад
Love your enthusiasm! Great video mate.
@markkilvert9989
@markkilvert9989 2 года назад
Fantastic video. Really interesting history of both clubs. Keep up the good work 👍
@richardayton6862
@richardayton6862 2 года назад
In the 40s/50s, Sunderland were known as the Bank of England Club due to their financial dominance of English football. But it ended up landing us in a bit of bother due to being caught paying players more than was allowed at the time.
@jdnrotterdam2150
@jdnrotterdam2150 2 года назад
Sunderland and Feyenoord friends since the 70s! Always some sunderland shirts in de Kuip!
@davidblenkey8996
@davidblenkey8996 2 года назад
Love watching your video’s mate keep up the good work !!
@k9shadowfordy850
@k9shadowfordy850 2 года назад
thanks for keeping me entertained
@Sergio-ig1xd
@Sergio-ig1xd 2 года назад
Super video and extremely informative. You had nice weather for it, I remember my first visit to Roker Park, New Year's Eve 1966, I froze my town halls off and we lost. I also travelled up in January '77 for a youth cup tie. That was just as cold. Thank you for your super videos. I went to Roker park many times but as yet never made it to The Stadium of Light.
@isaacwilson752
@isaacwilson752 2 года назад
Oh dear…
@peterbrimer1271
@peterbrimer1271 2 года назад
Thanks again Sam for another excellent presentation. Barry Venison played for both clubs and was a Newcastle captain.
@Mabstube
@Mabstube 2 года назад
Great football content, keep it up
@jamesbarlow8779
@jamesbarlow8779 2 года назад
Went to Middlesbrough's stadium when I was there for a music festival last year. Try a parmo if you're there long enough and take a walk to the Transporter bridge. There's a music venue called Empire which is an amazing building too!
@themadmistake
@themadmistake 2 года назад
Great video mate and what a beautiful day in 🌞 SUNDERLAND
@jxp
@jxp 2 года назад
I do genuinely miss Sunderland in the Premier League. I miss the derby days, they were always something to look forward to.
@patrickkelly7085
@patrickkelly7085 Год назад
You can not be a Newcastle supporter if you miss being beaten by Sunderland.
@richystubbs1062
@richystubbs1062 2 года назад
Loving your videos. Chris Waddle played for both clubs. It was Great to see you have great knowledge of alot of clubs. Especially my beloved Sunderland. Keep up the fantastic work you do. And ps what was the hotel that you used in Sunderland
@markriggall7741
@markriggall7741 2 года назад
It was the Grand hotel at Seaburn formerly the Swallow and most recently the Marriott
@Kobe-we5mm
@Kobe-we5mm 2 года назад
Both clubs got such nice stadiums
@basketballsam8116
@basketballsam8116 2 года назад
I’m a welder, fan of footy stadiums and a Brentford fan. I love the content mate ( ps I stayed in the same hotel in Sunderland for an away game)
@GenialHarryGrout
@GenialHarryGrout 2 года назад
If Sunderland had Saudi money who knows what they could achieve. I think Brian Clough was once linked with the managers job at Sunderland, who knows what would have happened if he had gone there instead of Nottm Forest. Newcastle under Sir John Hall and Kevin Keegan should have won trophies in the 1990;s, they came very close to winning the Premier League
@ScottishDoc21
@ScottishDoc21 2 года назад
anyone who would take Saudi money has no daughters, Or any care for human rights. It’s atypical of an English club to take blood Money.
@callumwinter3730
@callumwinter3730 2 года назад
@@ScottishDoc21 then I that so go back been salty
@graemeferry9794
@graemeferry9794 2 года назад
Absolutely love your post and your enthusiasm about our clubs in the north east but it’s also your attention to detail in the history and about the actual area. Well done lad !!!!! Suerland til I die !!!! 👍🏼
@pjschaaf414
@pjschaaf414 2 года назад
Interesting, never thought I’d live to see the day. Love this video and your channel. I have a question for you, where would be the best place to ask? Do you have an email?
@erdinb1710
@erdinb1710 2 года назад
Great videos! Please do the same but in Sheffield
@benvansittart2325
@benvansittart2325 2 года назад
That was interesting video to watch...no doubt there will be some strong opinions either way. Fair play for mentioning the hooligan elements...good of you to include that side of things. And we all remember that horse getting punched 😬
@liamconnolly8278
@liamconnolly8278 2 года назад
Your forgot about the keegan era and the pardew and the two fa cup finals in the 90s almost winning the league
@michaelc6828
@michaelc6828 2 года назад
Thank you so much for pointing this out.. no Saudi money but roaring times, teams and footbal; that is still talked about..
@LBP4769
@LBP4769 2 года назад
........ nearly winning the league, lol........you don't get anything for nearly winning something......I nearly won the lottery once, i had 1 number on the lottery and was only waiting for 5 more.👍🏻😁
@tomdevlin9274
@tomdevlin9274 2 года назад
Abs brilliant vlog.
@Glenn1892
@Glenn1892 2 года назад
Bob Stokoe was a Geordie. He played for the Toon for 13 yrs winning an FA Cup in '55.
@safcfan5305
@safcfan5305 2 года назад
But died a mackem
@chrisklinx
@chrisklinx 2 года назад
Great stuff! watching my hometown club (Sunderland) from New Zealand! Keep up the good work, some of your doco's on here are superb, love the ones about the Scottish clubs too. Very informative. So pleased you did one about Sunderland (have you been to a game yet?) Just to give an idea of how amazing our supporters are.. Boxing day 2018 league one vs Bradford 46,039 at the game incredible. I believe it is a league one-crowd record!
@FootyAdventures
@FootyAdventures 2 года назад
Wow thanks for watching Chris!! I really need to get to a Sunderland game soon
@safcfan5305
@safcfan5305 2 года назад
@@FootyAdventures come next Saturday mate Pompey at home
@NotMyRealName1
@NotMyRealName1 2 года назад
@@FootyAdventures shouldn’t be a problem, they have tens of thousands of empty seats each week 👍
@benj_swfc361
@benj_swfc361 Год назад
nope, Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield United is
@westyNUFC
@westyNUFC 2 года назад
Newcastle are the bigger club right now 100% you can't spend that long outside of the top division and claim to be bigger. It's like saying Blackburn and Leicester were bigger than Liverpool before they finally got their hands on the Premier League title. Or Nottingham Forest are bigger than Arsenal because they've won a European Cup. History is important but it's not a basis for the size of the club, especially if they haven't been in the top tier for what will be 5+ years presuming they get promoted to the Premier League at some time in the future.
@ryanoconnor5612
@ryanoconnor5612 2 года назад
That beach in Sunderland looked like a dream 😍
@JD-cb9vx
@JD-cb9vx 2 года назад
Very lucky to have it on our doorstep love running down there nothing better
@scotttowers1759
@scotttowers1759 2 года назад
The beach is disgusting 😂
@JTB_FM
@JTB_FM 2 года назад
love the videos. you should come to the troon vs irvine meadow game in a few weeks, portland parks atmosphere will be good and they have some of the best stadium food around in scran
@michaeldixon8214
@michaeldixon8214 2 года назад
Should of went along the coast from sunderland a few miles north you come to South Shields they got a non league club with a nice little ground. Good video on my home town club, thought you would of went to the place where the old roker park was, not much to see as it’s a housing estate sadly.
@josephyearwood1179
@josephyearwood1179 2 года назад
South Shields Shippers
@Patrick_1973
@Patrick_1973 2 года назад
Just subscribed with you..Saw the Hammers vlog and Arsenal vlog plus the ground that you played at that’s now “Planet of the apes”..Mate your videos are so interesting..And I’m a Sunderland fan and you say Soonderland very well 👌 ..Red and white army…Really good vlogs mate.. And yes we are bigger than Newcastle..🤣..
@jordanrenton2495
@jordanrenton2495 2 года назад
The housing Estate built on Roker Park had streets named after football terms etc pretty cool won't lie
@stephennesbitt6059
@stephennesbitt6059 2 года назад
Great video!Think of few players who have played for both Sunderland and Newcastle...Len Shackleton,Bryan Pop Robson,Bobby Moncur,Jeff Clarke,Paul Bracewell and Barry Vennison.
@bellslinki
@bellslinki 2 года назад
Chris Waddle made 7 appearances for Sunderland in 1997
@frankdux5693
@frankdux5693 Год назад
@@bellslinki Andy cole
@alexcc8664
@alexcc8664 2 года назад
As a Sunderland fan I obviously hate the mags but I love the fans. We both have the most passionate fans in the country . Be great to play you again
@michaelc6828
@michaelc6828 2 года назад
Great to compare the history of both clubs. However, looking to the future which should be the 1 and only priority then the writing is on the wall
@jimmycburfield5997
@jimmycburfield5997 2 года назад
LeeClark famously played for both. Until the infamous ‘holiday t shirt’ incident! As a Carlisle fan I like both of these great clubs. There is something genuinely special about the passion. That said I watch Ipswich at St James park in 1992. There was a crowd of about 10,000
@safcfan5305
@safcfan5305 2 года назад
Huge crowd
@michaeldixon8214
@michaeldixon8214 2 года назад
There’s a sunderland fans museum what you could have visited just 5 min walk from stadium of light near the wearmouth bridge on way to the town centre.
@sluke9
@sluke9 2 года назад
Just watched this as a first video on your channel. Being an ex season ticket holder at both Roker Park and SOL before emigrating to Australia, I think you have captured the nature of the club and its fans really well. Newcastle will, of course be always in our shadow. When was the last Newcastle Netflix series??? 😂
@NotMyRealName1
@NotMyRealName1 2 года назад
You do know that series was made to ridicule Sunderland fans and how entitled and delusional they were/are. There was so much material they made a second series 😂
@alexthompson1709
@alexthompson1709 Год назад
It was literally produced by a group who were Sunderland fans and almost bought the club at one point never made to ridicule the fans that’s just something the Newcastle fans did to have something over them
@dabro2080
@dabro2080 2 года назад
Great video, I think of them both in the same guise 2 huge sleeping giant clubs with wonderful supporters who as a traditional football fan since the 80's whos grandpa went to games since the war I heard all the stories about both clubs certainly as we stand today Newcastle are currently the bigger club in terms of Premier league football and money but I take nothing away from Sunderland and visiting the SoL gives me the same buzz as any other top 10 English club. Sunderland will rise again I am sure of it. (Luton fan)
@chrisbarnes7839
@chrisbarnes7839 2 года назад
Class video 👍
@joejumping9195
@joejumping9195 2 года назад
great vid
@robinjackson143
@robinjackson143 2 года назад
Great video mate 🔴⚪️
@tosspot9244
@tosspot9244 2 года назад
You should have come to the Cambridge United game!! Was amazing!
@kalikoura
@kalikoura 2 года назад
Did you got to the old site of Roker Park? I know you've done it for a few grounds on your channel, it was not even half a mile from you hotel, and there's a nice plaque on the ground marking the centre spot!
@martinholroyd7605
@martinholroyd7605 2 года назад
When I think of Roker Park...hypothermia springs to mind the last time I was @ Roker Park...as an away fan kept in the ground which was an open terrace exposed to the elements for what seemed like an hour....bloody Baltic 🥶🥶🥶
@connorsmith1797
@connorsmith1797 2 года назад
I think you should do a video visiting the grounds of Morpeth Town, Blyth Spartans, Ashington AFC.
@jt8643
@jt8643 2 года назад
I’d love to see you at a Sunderland game lad
@beatlegreg07
@beatlegreg07 2 года назад
Will be great to have derby days back one day. Hopefully in the premier league and put north east back on the football map of the world.
@pogchamps2335
@pogchamps2335 2 года назад
i agree but by the time sunderland build themselves back up to the prem it will be no competition between the 2 sides, like mancity playing fulham or burnley
@joebloggs2352
@joebloggs2352 2 года назад
Stan Anderson captained Sunderland, Newcastle and Middlesbrough.
@mickgriffiths9982
@mickgriffiths9982 2 года назад
I live round the corner from the old Roker park my first game was back in 1968;
@richardlawson5565
@richardlawson5565 2 года назад
Yes the beach is the best moved up here 4 years ago from London
@taptapgamez3712
@taptapgamez3712 2 года назад
I saw you today mate at the game today 👍
@MrScratchingz
@MrScratchingz 2 года назад
Get in, one I’ve been waiting for HA’WAY THE LADS
@Ellio1862
@Ellio1862 2 года назад
Newcastle have never been in the 3rd Division.
@kevinskeemer9181
@kevinskeemer9181 2 года назад
Paul Bracewell also played for both clubs
@dylanmurphy4342
@dylanmurphy4342 2 года назад
Can you please do East Kilbride Thistle that's my local team
@marlenejosephineA
@marlenejosephineA 2 года назад
Newcastle are by far the bigger club. More fans, bigger stadium, more recognizable legends, more European football and succes in recent years (no trophys, but you can't rule out the Kevin Keegan entertainers era). That's just without taking the Saudi takeover into consideration. With the takeover in mind and Sunderlands League 1 status, it's even more clear...
@markevans5306
@markevans5306 2 года назад
Great video I'm off up there saturday for the Portsmouth match come on Pompey
@willbesoon6601
@willbesoon6601 2 года назад
I think the great Bryan 'Pop' Robson and equally great Bob Moncur turned out for both.
@owenthompson5214
@owenthompson5214 2 года назад
Current right back Javier Manquillio is ex Sunderland Yedlin who only left last January is too
@mickgriffiths9982
@mickgriffiths9982 2 года назад
Thanks for the Sunderland visit very enjoyable 6 points for Sunderland next season In the championship
@tendeitem
@tendeitem 2 года назад
cant wait for you lot to be in league 1 next season.....is this like your 4th or 5th season of 3rd tier football?
@joekingham5582
@joekingham5582 2 года назад
I’m sorry, but Sunderland are minos compared to Newcastle, Newcastle are the 9th most successful (trophies won) team in English football history with 14 trophies won, they have had more consecutive season in the premier league having nearly won the premier league multiple times in the mid to late 90s, with that Newcastle have never been relegated to league 1 since their formation in the football league, compared to Sunderland who have been relegated to league 1 twice, they have the bigger stadium out of the two sides holding 52,000, a massive club in comparison
@LBP4769
@LBP4769 2 года назад
...... great video and nice to see someone finally give Sunderland a bit of credit......on and off the pitch.......p.s you also missed the fact that Sunderland jointly own the record of the highest top flight away win (with Nottingham Forest), a 9-1 win and guess who we beat....yes it was Newcastle. Get In. Sunderland are indeed a bigger club than Newcastle.
@rgxclan6434
@rgxclan6434 2 года назад
We've been promoted now😁
@shuebyyy
@shuebyyy 2 года назад
Toon toon black and white army!! ⚫️⚪️
@jayceemulholland1740
@jayceemulholland1740 2 года назад
Sunderland got nice beach 🏝
@xxkatexx90
@xxkatexx90 2 года назад
Yes Sunderland! Love the videos. Ha'way the lads
@davidhanson1849
@davidhanson1849 Год назад
Barry venison, Paul bracewell, shay given, Steve Harper, Michael Chopra, Steve Bruce was manager
@aldworth33
@aldworth33 2 года назад
We were the first team to join the football league. We had to pay the train fairs of the other teams when they came to sunderland as part of the conditions of us joining because we were so far away
@floydianslip007
@floydianslip007 2 года назад
I was recently in a chippy in Newcastle City centre visiting on a night out, I suggested Sunderland were a bigger club to the local lads in there... Question- How do I remove a sausage stottie from out my back passage.. 🤔
@joebiggins2548
@joebiggins2548 2 года назад
Reckon we're neck and neck, they've won more legaues weve won more fa cups and a European trophy. Historically for a while newcastles preformed better and been in more top level competitions, especially recently. Both clubs have been horribly mismanaged over the years, would like to see the mackems back in the prem just for the Derby. But NUFC slightly edges them out
@thelapincretins3660
@thelapincretins3660 2 года назад
As a sunderland fan i think newcastle edges it atm because of being much higher in the football league. would love to play yous lot again in the prem
@joebiggins2548
@joebiggins2548 2 года назад
@@thelapincretins3660 Miss the Derby so bad, much better than the watered down man U v Liverpool or London Derbys
@depekthegreat359
@depekthegreat359 2 года назад
Good friends,since the affliation of Sunderland,they have started to win many titles back in the 1890's till 1902 and were bigger than Newcastle United when they were formed!!!However,since the 1900's,they have won more titles than Sunderland and the total number of titles that they have won in their respective histories are 13 titles and 9 titles in favour of the Geordies but both are two of my favourite teams daily and ever,good friends!!!:-D
@davidchow5246
@davidchow5246 2 года назад
Quality video about Sunderland and I really love the Tyne and Wear even I still think Newcastle is bigger than Sunderland !
@michaelc6828
@michaelc6828 2 года назад
Correct.. at last a realistic comment
@jayceemulholland1740
@jayceemulholland1740 2 года назад
Sunderland stadium tour
@user-lf2nd5xj6w
@user-lf2nd5xj6w 3 месяца назад
Very proud of North east football and we have had some great players at Newcastle, but did you know Sunderland nearly signed Maradona as a kid.
@liamconnolly8278
@liamconnolly8278 2 года назад
TWO FA CUP FINALS CONSECUTIVE AND TWO PREM TITLE RACE IN THE 90s AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL
@safcfan5305
@safcfan5305 2 года назад
And never one one thing hahahaha
@darnish
@darnish 2 года назад
Any thoughts about going down to the den?
@joeashton7168
@joeashton7168 2 года назад
2 brothers played at the clubs....lee howey sunderland steve howey newcastle
@JohnSmith-it9eh
@JohnSmith-it9eh 2 года назад
Pop Robson played for both Bob Moncur
@themanftheworld8439
@themanftheworld8439 2 года назад
Both are as big as each other.Should be established top ten PL clubs like ManU- ManC,Liverpool- Everton,Spurs-Arsenal.Years and years of underachievement and mis management have led to apathy amongst long suffering fans yet the loyalty of both clubs fans is resolute.I would say it is the only English derby which comes close to Celtic-Rangers.
@patrickthomas8101
@patrickthomas8101 2 года назад
Stadium of Light was made to played in the Premiership.
@jaybirch93
@jaybirch93 2 года назад
League 1 is what their fans deserve though.
@conorsmith8551
@conorsmith8551 2 года назад
St Patrick's saltire at 15:56 ha
@ellepant
@ellepant 2 года назад
Im an evertonian,sunderland are missed in the prem
@jimboll6982
@jimboll6982 2 года назад
When you get relegated you can get t all lovey dove y in the championship if they get promotion.
@TheGingerjogger
@TheGingerjogger 8 месяцев назад
@@jimboll6982when we go down ain’t been down for 70 years lad Newc been down how many times?
@leeprice8949
@leeprice8949 2 года назад
You get your hot dog sausage in a burger bun You get your hot dog sausage in a burger bun ,You get your hot dog sausage in a burger bun , Sunderland a massive club , are the fuck ! 😂
@alanstoves295
@alanstoves295 2 года назад
Bad start with your facts,,,Sunderland record crowd was 75,118 against Derby County in the FA Cup 1936...Newcastle record crowd is 68,000
@CKWINN11
@CKWINN11 2 года назад
Hey mister, you can't put Sunderlands exact number then round Newcastles number down to the thousand. It was actually 68,386. Let's be fair. Haha.
@alanstoves295
@alanstoves295 2 года назад
@@CKWINN11 yeah your right ,,,only 6,732 difference
@Ornymillz09
@Ornymillz09 2 года назад
Andy cole and Steve harper both played for Newcastle and Sunderland
@lewisnaranja6924
@lewisnaranja6924 Год назад
Sunderland are an absolutely fantastic club and we're once also champions of the world. A true sleeping giant in English football and with some stupid backing like city it would be unbelievable. They have everything in place and the fans are another level. Glad there on the up 👍
@nadz1978
@nadz1978 2 года назад
Is it 55 (3.18) or 53 (3.36) games won each?
@u.k.trainandbusvids
@u.k.trainandbusvids 2 года назад
My beloved club is Sunderland I support them when they win am always ecstatic last time we won a trophy was March 2021 EFL Trophy I was ment to be there but stupid Boris had the restrictions we play Accrington Stanley tomorrow hopefully a win one of my favourite statues is Bob Stokeo statue I once helped out with the seat replacement at Stadium of Light everytime I buy a Sunderland shirt I get my last name on the back in tribute to my family of those who are with me and those who sadly passed away over the years I honour them all I’ve been to Wembley twice 2014 and 2019
@annmariestobbs8473
@annmariestobbs8473 2 года назад
I’m a Sunderland fan you are someone hoo likes us Sunderland
@aaronlatta2825
@aaronlatta2825 2 года назад
Largs thistle please
@iancrawford1140
@iancrawford1140 2 года назад
they are both big !
@nicted9308
@nicted9308 2 года назад
Lee Clarke is Newcastle through and through but played for Sunderland. I'm not sure how many seasons could have been just one. I'm a Newcastle fan and when the two clubs finally meet in the league hopefully the top division I think Newcastle will be to strong which is a shame because I loved the derby games between them and the last few have gone Sunderland's way.
@frankdux5693
@frankdux5693 Год назад
Had to leave cos of the shirt situation 🤣
@adampascoe4746
@adampascoe4746 2 года назад
Please can you go to Stoke city fc
@MillwallRobest
@MillwallRobest 2 года назад
When you coming down to London mate
@FootyAdventures
@FootyAdventures 2 года назад
Not sure exactly, but I'll do a few trips per year :) I'll be sure to cover Millwall next time!!
@MillwallRobest
@MillwallRobest 2 года назад
@@FootyAdventures oi oi love you son
@ThomasKelly669
@ThomasKelly669 2 года назад
Why is parkhead so rusty in comparison to St James park when the construction style is similar
@brianbonner3058
@brianbonner3058 2 года назад
Lee clark ,paul bracewell ,david kelly ,chris waddle ,jeff clark ,barry venison all crossed the divide
@normanleighton6526
@normanleighton6526 2 года назад
stan anderson,bobby moncur ,alan foggon and michael chopra and the greatest of them all Shack -Len Shackleton
@safcfan5305
@safcfan5305 2 года назад
Andy cole played for both
@ronneyscott5112
@ronneyscott5112 2 года назад
I'm pretty sure the horse punch was at hampden or Wembley...🤔
@ronneyscott5112
@ronneyscott5112 2 года назад
Or rangers v celtic
@benanders1969
@benanders1969 2 года назад
It was outside st James’ as embarrassing as that is from a ncl fan
@ronneyscott5112
@ronneyscott5112 2 года назад
@@benanders1969 I'm pretty sure back in the day there was more horse punching than we care to remember 🙄
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